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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Politics, Religion (Tall Table) >> File charges? /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1637362875 Message started by justin_o_guy2 on 11/19/21 at 15:01:15 |
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Title: File charges? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/19/21 at 15:01:15 The dude who lost his bicep was a Felon in Possession. Howcumizzit he is not in jail? Let's Go Brandon!! |
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Title: Re: File charges? Post by MnSpring on 11/19/21 at 19:18:29 637C7A7D60675666566E7C703B090 wrote:
Simple, the Ultra Liberal Fairy Dust Sprinkling, DFI's, Socialists. Don't want ANYBODY to have a 'gun'. So it just don't matter, if the LAW, says a Felon can not have a Gun. |
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Title: Re: File charges? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/19/21 at 20:37:46 I guess it's a moot point. Kyle Did disARM him |
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Title: Re: File charges? Post by Eegore on 11/19/21 at 21:21:30 "The dude who lost his bicep was a Felon in Possession. Howcumizzit he is not in jail?" If logic were to prevail over conspiracy it would be because he wasn't a felon according to court documents from the State of Wisconsin. If you have an expunged felony conviction it can not be used against you. And no it was not expunged after the incident but before the trial, it was expunged before the incident. So he wasn't a Felon and thus he was not breaking that particular LAW. He still has a criminal past, but he is not by definition, a felon in accordance with WI law. https://archive.md/H3THj https://wcca.wicourts.gov/caseDetail.html?caseNo=2016CM001014&countyNo=40&index=0&mode=details |
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Title: Re: File charges? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/19/21 at 22:26:57 Every report I saw was either hero or felon. The rap sheet is HUGE.. I don't see when they expunged it. If it's Expunged, isn't it Gone? Why would anyone expunge a record like That? If you don't mind How about copy and paste the part I clearly am not seeing. |
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Title: Re: File charges? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/19/21 at 22:33:02 I found His arrest and case history from the state Department of Justice is much longer than what you can currently find through online court records. It shows a string of dismissed cases and an expunged felony conviction. That means it can no longer be counted against him. |
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Title: Re: File charges? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/20/21 at 10:06:17 Okay so he wasn't a felon in possession. He acted in a threatening manner and used a gun. If it's self defense to shoot him, then he acted unlawfully. |
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Title: Re: File charges? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/20/21 at 10:31:14 Here's what I need to know. When was he found guilty of whatever got him the felony? When was it expunged? |
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Title: Re: File charges? Post by Eegore on 11/20/21 at 10:42:20 "Okay so he wasn't a felon in possession. He acted in a threatening manner and used a gun. If it's self defense to shoot him, then he acted unlawfully." Yes. However I was answering the question you posed as the title of this thread, it is because he was not a felon in possession according to US law. |
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Title: Re: File charges? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/20/21 at 11:33:19 26393F3825221323132B39357E4C0 wrote:
Please,, can you show me this stuff? |
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Title: Re: File charges? Post by Eegore on 11/20/21 at 11:44:05 There is no record of a felony firearms conviction, however there are many "reports" he had one expunged 3 days before the trial. None of them cite actual evidence. It looks like he had a felony burglary charge in 2012 that was later expunged. If he had a felony that had been expunged it would have been done before the shooting, or he would have been a felon in possession. All that is on record in accordance to firearms related charges is intoxication while in possession, which in WI is not a felony. |
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Title: Re: File charges? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/20/21 at 12:28:19 he had a felony that had been expunged it would have been done before the shooting, or he would have been a felon in possession. Theoretically,, yeah.. Without actual facts, we don't KNOW when he was relieved of being a felon. Prosecution Needed him on the stand Prosecution proved to be pretty slimey. How convenient that guy gets a felony conviction wiped. Don't ya wonder how that happened? Look at that rap sheet. Who would say Suure,, he's a good guy and the felony is unduly negatively impacting his ability to be a productive member of society. Yeah, bullshit It reeks of BS. |
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Title: Re: File charges? Post by Eegore on 11/20/21 at 13:08:37 "Without actual facts, we don't KNOW when he was relieved of being a felon." But its ok to call "BS" or call someone a felon without facts. He was not a felon when the shooting happened. That is a fact, that is why he was not charged with that crime. He was offered in 2013 a DPA which he completed and the felony was expunged. Since Rittenhouse was not aware in any way and was not capable in any way of being previously aware of Grosskreutz's criminal history, they can not use this against Grosskreutz in court because it had zero influence on Rittenhouse's decision to fire his weapon. So why get a felony conviction expunged if the criminal history couldn't be used in court anyway? His charge in 2012 was expunged before, again, before the shooting happened. Nobody on the planet can show that his felony conviction was expunged After the shooting. I wonder why that is. It's that important that not one law enforcement, legal expert, internet hacker, Judicial clerk, nobody can find that? I think its BS to say that this guy's testimony is so important that nobody can actually prove this to be true. |
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Title: Re: File charges? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/20/21 at 13:50:51 Okay, thanks |
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Title: Re: File charges? Post by WebsterMark on 11/21/21 at 04:35:37 Look at that exchange that just happened. A perfect example of how civilized life conducts itself. And with a flair for humor from jog with the fact that Rittenhouse did disarm him! That’s funny there, I don’t care who you are. |
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Title: Re: File charges? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/21/21 at 06:40:47 its ok to call "BS" or call someone a felon without facts. Duude! I didn't just decide he was a felon with a gun,now did I? You think it's reasonable to discover someone has a criminal history and then go see how extensive and Ohh, BTW, were any convictions expunged?? O FFS, You Know the system does not just go back and remove convictions for people for no reason. I'm still curious about the why. |
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Title: Re: File charges? Post by Eegore on 11/21/21 at 14:47:52 Duude! I didn't just decide he was a felon with a gun,now did I? You did decide as you did not ask, you stated that he was a felon. What "facts" did you use to come to that conclusion? You obviously didn't use WI State judicial records. So where did you get this information? "You think it's reasonable to discover someone has a criminal history and then go see how extensive and Ohh, BTW, were any convictions expunged??" Yes. If someone was spouting lies about you online would you want them to research it first? I think one should use verifiable evidence. Where are felony conviction records stored? Facebook? YouTube? Private websites? You think when you get pulled over your record is checked by some stuff Tucker Carlson said? Heck man just type "was grosskreutz a felon?" and the information is right there. I think it's "reasonable" to not believe everything you see on the internet. Even if it supports your opinion. Knowing the truth takes work. Letting websites you like tell you how things are is easy. "You Know the system does not just go back and remove convictions for people for no reason. I'm still curious about the why." I stated why, and yes this is normal, it is legal, it is part of US law. |
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Title: Re: File charges? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/21/21 at 17:12:21 Seriously? I Me All by myself DECIDED FELON With a gun Because EVERY FUKKING SOURCE That didn't call him a hero Called him a felon Guess which is closer Call me what you will I'll see you how I see you |
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Title: Re: File charges? Post by Eegore on 11/21/21 at 17:33:05 "The dude who lost his bicep was a Felon in Possession." How else should I interpret your perception of the dude who lost his bicep? "Because EVERY FUKKING SOURCE" Except all the largest search engines: https://www.google.com/search?q=+was+gaige+grosskreutz+a+felon%3F&ei=HvKaYamkL92nqtsPxa2NuAg&ved=0ahUKEwipq9jH6Kr0AhXdk2oFHcVWA4cQ4dUDCA4&oq=+was+gaige+grosskreutz+a+felon%3F&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAw6BQghEKABOgUIIRCrAjoFCCEQkgM6CwgAEIAEELEDEIMBOgUIABDEAkoECEEYAVDmBFjTR2CuVWgBcAB4AIABqQGIAdcMkgEEMTMuNZgBAKABAcABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz https://search.yahoo.com/search?p=was+grosskreutz+a+felon%3F&fr=yfp-t&ei=UTF-8&fp=1 https://www.bing.com/search?q=was%20grosskreutz%20a%20felon%3F&qs=n&form=QBRE&sp=-1&pq=was%20grosskreutz%20a%20felon%3F&sc=0-24&sk=&cvid=A8FD2C8BC5C245C5951FC37F17772B3E That took me less than a minute on three of the largest search engines to find ample evidence showing that the dude that lost his bicep was not a felon at the time. So yeah I'd say not EVERY FUKKING SOURCE, actually not even the most used sources, and it's reasonable to do as it took less than one minute to even find this information. Even sources saying he was wrong point out he was not a felon at the time. |
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Title: Re: File charges? Post by MnSpring on 11/21/21 at 20:44:00 426260687562070 wrote:
And those, are well known for their, political leaning. "... For the “big three” networks, Newsom’s decisive victory is a referendum not only on his leadership, but also his policies. However, as Scott Whitlock reminds us, the same networks had the exact opposite reaction when former Republican Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker handily defeated his recall challenger ..." |
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Title: Re: File charges? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/22/21 at 03:11:10 Dude,,I Naah,,never mind.. I don't care to watch your games. You probably got hit a lot as a kid. Shotty jakkass |
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Title: Re: File charges? Post by Eegore on 11/22/21 at 06:31:13 For the “big three” networks, Newsom’s decisive victory is a referendum not only on his leadership, but also his policies. However, as Scott Whitlock reminds us, the same networks had the exact opposite reaction when former Republican Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker handily defeated his recall challenger I agree that TV "networks" are politically motivated. Of course we have different assessments of what a "network" is. When I used 3 separate "search engines" to look up a person's criminal record accuracy they all pointed me towards similar easy to find results. JoG will not offer his references so I offered what could be assumed to be the most common for humans existing within the United States. Then I cross referenced with the actual court records. I have no reason to believe this guy's criminal record was so instrumental that they fabricated court records going back a decade. My point is this post indicated he was, didn't ask "if" but stated clearly he was a felon in possession. No facts. But debating the accuracy of claims that he was Not a felon in possession required "facts". |
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Title: Re: File charges? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/22/21 at 07:05:39 Hey ,,I'm done playing. You Know goddam good and well what I MEANT. Every STORY I SAW You play crappy, irritating games. This isn't high school debate team I'm done here Leave my name out of this thread |
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Title: Re: File charges? Post by Eegore on 11/22/21 at 07:24:05 You Know goddam good and well what I MEANT. As I read it you MEANT he was a felon in possession and was questioning why he wasn't charged. "Every STORY I SAW" Yeah. We have been going through this for years. Any story could be wrong, even if we agree with it. I would have checked to see if he was a felon before asking why he wasn't charged as one. I think that's reasonable. I don't care what you do. But when you call "BS" and your offering is: -Nothing at all- It seems weird to me to call BS and ask for "facts." It seems like it's ok for you to provide a statement without evidence, but it's not ok for others (others being all known humans besides JoG) to refute that statement unless there is evidence/"facts". "You play crappy, irritating games. This isn't high school debate team" I agree. I've never seen a high school debate team resort to insults over a simple conversation. |
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Title: Re: File charges? Post by Serowbot on 11/22/21 at 07:47:13 2C3335322F2819291921333F74460 wrote:
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Yes,... unnecessary. |
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Title: Re: File charges? Post by MnSpring on 11/22/21 at 12:33:49 Wonder if, the APD info, needs to be checked as to the court records ? Wonder if, the web reporting places, needs to have checked, if the APD, has checked ? Wonder if, other places have check all other places, before they call Kenny Wells a, 'felon', and say their is a Warrant out for his arrest ? I wonder, (if or when they catch him) he will do ANY time for the infraction ? That is IF, he is actually a Felon, that had possession of a Gun. "... Authorities are actively searching for the passenger, identified as 42-year-old Kenny Wells by the Atlanta Police Department. APD said Wells is a convicted felon, and there was a warrant out for his arrest prior to Saturday's incident at the airport ..." https://www.11alive.com/article/news/local/atlanta-airport-injuries-suspect-passenger-gun-discharge-tsa/85-1df2850e-7cea-49b1-9775-88b7eaa7d3d8 |
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Title: Re: File charges? Post by Eegore on 11/22/21 at 12:56:58 "Wonder if, the APD info, needs to be checked as to the court records ?" Yes. Although a Police Department is more credible than a privately owned website or clever pictures with text added that are shared online. In this case an actual reference for where the information came from is supplied. In the Grosskreutz case no police department claimed he was a felon in possession, so that is the defining difference between these two examples. "Wonder if, the web reporting places, needs to have checked, if the APD, has checked ?" Only if they claim they have checked themselves. "Wonder if, other places have check all other places, before they call Kenny Wells a, 'felon', and say their is a Warrant out for his arrest ?" We don't know unless they provide reference. This is why it is on us to verify if we want to question why charges aren't filed on someone. It would be highly unrealistic to check outside of actual court records, versus your question asking if all places need to check all other places. Check where the information actually is, not all other places. I wonder, (if or when they catch him) he will do ANY time for the infraction ? That is IF, he is actually a Felon, that had possession of a Gun. IF he is then I would expect him to be charged with that specific crime. |
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