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Title: Discouraging oil leak Post by Neil on 10/18/21 at 14:58:41 I can probly remove the generator cover, but what pops or falls out is beyond my experience level, so I wonder if you veterans can guess from the video and pics whether I should look deeper, or rob a bank and head to a mechanic? This vid might be more contextually insightful than the still pics: https://youtu.be/s_oWCAKohZM |
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Title: Re: Discouraging oil leak Post by Neil on 10/18/21 at 15:00:43 Do I keep adding Replies to send more pics? |
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Title: Re: Discouraging oil leak Post by verslagen1 on 10/18/21 at 15:08:32 5279757078696E6F731C0 wrote:
yes. The 1st step is to thoroughly clean the engine, top and bottom. I find it impossible to locate a leak on a dirty engine. Then closely inspect the engine after a short ride. |
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Title: Re: Discouraging oil leak Post by Dan Stafford on 10/19/21 at 04:10:57 It looks like the rubber seal for the neutral safety switch |
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Title: Re: Discouraging oil leak Post by Neil on 10/19/21 at 05:32:54 Thanks Dan! That's what I'm looking for at the moment. I'll do the engine clean soon, to see if I can spot the source better. I could use some help now knowing what the hell that is that you mention though:) Can you give me a # on one of these part diagrams? Or circle it on my lame pics? https://www.partzilla.com/catalog/suzuki/motorcycle/2006/boulevard-s40-ls650 #31? on this? https://www.partzilla.com/catalog/suzuki/motorcycle/2006/boulevard-s40-ls650/crankcase-cover Or something in the 30's here? https://www.partzilla.com/catalog/suzuki/motorcycle/2006/boulevard-s40-ls650/gear-shifting |
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Title: Re: Discouraging oil leak Post by Gary_in_NJ on 10/19/21 at 06:07:40 More likely, it's the drive shaft (counter-shaft) seal. |
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Title: Re: Discouraging oil leak Post by Neil on 10/19/21 at 06:09:44 Thanks a ton to you also Gary. I hope someday to be able to toss these terms around easily, but at the moment, I know pretty much where the handlebars in the seat are on a motorcycle :-) Would you do me the favor of locating that parts diagram at the links above? Something here? https://www.partzilla.com/catalog/suzuki/motorcycle/2006/boulevard-s40-ls650/transmission |
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Title: Re: Discouraging oil leak Post by Gary_in_NJ on 10/19/21 at 06:26:53 It's behind the drive pulley. EDIT: I just saw your "Poor Weld" thread. If that pulley is out of balance/round (likely) or pulsating from making contact with the cover, I'm fairly certain that you have a leaking seal. |
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Title: Re: Discouraging oil leak Post by Neil on 10/19/21 at 06:59:09 Thanks Gary. #32 and/or #37? Bummer, but this novice is gonna get soaked by a mechanic to replace the pulley and align the belt anyway:( |
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Title: Re: Discouraging oil leak Post by Gary_in_NJ on 10/19/21 at 07:51:34 #32 is the correct part, but you'd change #37 anyway. |
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Title: Re: Discouraging oil leak Post by Eegore on 10/19/21 at 07:53:28 I have the mechanical skills of a fruit bat. I have successfully replaced the pulley/associated parts and aligned the belt multiple times. The documents/reference section has a thread on the modified front pulley with images. What I did was ignored the modification portions and just followed the removal/application steps. There are also a few options for reducing belt squeal by altering the rear pulley bushing. Again talk to Dave about those options. |
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Title: Re: Discouraging oil leak Post by Neil on 10/19/21 at 07:57:50 Dear Fruit Bat:) Much appreciated. I recall from awhile back reading about maintenance stands and seeing some home built ones. Have you found a buyable stand that works? |
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Title: Re: Discouraging oil leak Post by Eegore on 10/19/21 at 08:10:50 I use Dynamoto universal fronts and I believe the Suzuki rig because of how convenient they are. I can easily roll a bike anywhere in the shop in seconds. https://www.dynamotousa.com/ Harbor Freight from what I hear has cheaper options if a home-made setup isn't your deal. I've seen these manual units used before, just not on a Savage. https://www.harborfreight.com/1500-lb-steel-atvmotorcycle-lift-60536.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=12144811130&campaignid=12144811130&utm_content=128369723275&adsetid=128369723275&product=60536&store=535&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIhbr6puHW8wIVEfnICh1auQ5AEAQYBSABEgKuEPD_BwE |
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Title: Re: Discouraging oil leak Post by Neil on 10/19/21 at 11:43:13 Engine degreaser/cleaner. Got Gunk Foamy (https://gunk.com/product/gunk-foamy-engine-cleaner-feb1/) Am I screwed if it soaks these wires? My amateur virgin guess (never used engine cleaner) is, no more screwed than how they're already soaked in leaked oil |
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Title: Re: Discouraging oil leak Post by verslagen1 on 10/19/21 at 12:03:13 no, they're water/oil repellent. |
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Title: Re: Discouraging oil leak Post by Neil on 10/19/21 at 12:38:12 Is it colossally stupid to ride without the front pulley cover? |
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Title: Re: Discouraging oil leak Post by Eegore on 10/19/21 at 12:51:24 "Is it colossally stupid to ride without the front pulley cover?" Colosally? I'd say no. Plenty of people do it. Do people get things stuck in there and wreck their bikes? Yes. |
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Title: Re: Discouraging oil leak Post by Tocsik on 10/19/21 at 12:51:43 It's a gamble that your pants leg or laces get sucked in there and your ankle gets mangled. |
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Title: Re: Discouraging oil leak Post by Neil on 10/25/21 at 03:35:56 1F232E2F3E2F2E392225244B0 wrote:
After cleaning, Dan Stafford is the genius I think, if "the rubber seal for the neutral safety switch" is that black boxy port the wires go into, encircled in green in an earlier photo. Then the oil runs down and pool on a bolt and drips to the floor or blows across the underbelly of the case cover. Pulley doesn't seem involved. Here's a more thorough video tour: https://youtu.be/vuSoFuWJgbI |
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Title: Re: Discouraging oil leak Post by verslagen1 on 10/25/21 at 06:23:40 the neutral switch is on the right side of the bike. this is the generator and sensor wires. |
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Title: Re: Discouraging oil leak Post by Hiko on 10/25/21 at 14:27:43 Neil it looks to me you have something going on with your pulley splines judging by the rust? streaks |
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Title: Re: Discouraging oil leak Post by Neil on 10/25/21 at 14:36:03 I have a separate thread about the pulley cover it rubs. Dave gonna send me new pulley. Not sure how far that'll get me - changing an oil filter is my experience limit :-/ 261300040C04610 wrote:
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Title: Re: Discouraging oil leak Post by Neil on 10/25/21 at 14:37:02 Is getting inside the crankcase cover not recommended for amateurs? 382B3C3D222F292B207F4E0 wrote:
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Title: Re: Discouraging oil leak Post by verslagen1 on 10/25/21 at 14:59:20 49626E6B6372757468070 wrote:
You don't have to be a professional to be able to handle a wrench. If you've had reasonable success in your previous endeavors, you should be able to handle this. |
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Title: Re: Discouraging oil leak Post by Neil on 10/25/21 at 15:07:24 Appreciate your confidence in me :-) After an hour of searching, I can't find a video or a picture it helps at all with removing the crank case. Do you have any recommended places or strings to search with? Seems like what parts guides call the crankcase cover I've seen called covers for the generator, magneto, and stator. Yeesh |
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Title: Re: Discouraging oil leak Post by Gary_in_NJ on 10/25/21 at 15:47:28 Removing the case covers is a simple bolt-off/bolt-on operation. The only noteworthy items are the gasket will need to be replaced (meaning you’ll have to completely remove the old gasket) and I’d use a torque wrench to tighten the fasteners. I believe it is as little as 60 in-lbs. |
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Title: Re: Discouraging oil leak Post by verslagen1 on 10/25/21 at 15:56:19 The crank case is the part that holds the crank and you'll need to remove the engine 1st to split the case... I don't think you want to do that. The stator cover is what you need to remove. You'll need a gasket to put it back together. You'll need to remove the kickstand. Remove all the bolts, they're varying lengths so figure out how to get them back into the same holes. Pry the cover loose just to break the gasket loose cause to pull the cover off will take some effort as you'll have to fight against the magnets to get it off. |
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Title: Re: Discouraging oil leak Post by Neil on 10/25/21 at 16:06:18 Thanks verslagen1:) The black boxy entry the wires go into seem to be what's leaking. I can't find it in any parts diagrams, and found no pics with stator cover removed so don't know what's in there, so how to get the cover off without damaging the wires/connections. wires"] Is the box the thing bolt#4 goes into here? https://www.partzilla.com/catalog/suzuki/motorcycle/2006/boulevard-s40-ls650/magneto Something in the collective "gasket set" (which it seems I'd have to buy anyway)? https://www.partzilla.com/catalog/suzuki/motorcycle/2006/boulevard-s40-ls650/gasket-set |
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Title: Re: Discouraging oil leak Post by verslagen1 on 10/25/21 at 16:10:24 The black box is a rubber plug molded on the wires, you won't be able to take it off. It slips into the cover. Just clean it, slather rtv on it and put it back in. |
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Title: Re: Discouraging oil leak Post by Neil on 10/25/21 at 16:21:06 Hmm. Do I have to take off the stator cover to get the plug out? Um, what's rtv? I saw you (I think) said in a different thread that oil ain't gotta be drained if tip bike to right; sounds like a real fiesta:) |
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Title: Re: Discouraging oil leak Post by verslagen1 on 10/25/21 at 20:15:43 163D31343C2D2A2B37580 wrote:
yes Quote:
room temperature vulcanizing rubber... comes in a tube at the auto store. Quote:
I do it on the clutch side, the stator side is a little more particular. not worth it unless it's really fresh oil from timbukto |
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Title: Re: Discouraging oil leak Post by Gary_in_NJ on 10/26/21 at 05:28:16 Where are you located Neil? Maybe a member can inspect your work and give you some guidance. |
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Title: Re: Discouraging oil leak Post by Neil on 10/26/21 at 07:48:57 Pittsburgh |
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Title: Re: Discouraging oil leak Post by Neil on 03/29/22 at 05:12:38 With encouragement from some of you dreamers, this fearful wrench novice got some rtv ("Permatex Ultra Black RTV Silicone Maximum Oil Resistance Gasket Maker" https://www.autozone.com/sealants-glues-adhesives-and-tape/sealant/p/permatex-ultra-black-rtv-silicone-maximum-oil-resistance-gasket-maker-0-5-oz/415412_0_0) and removed my generator/crankcase cover to access the leaking wire grommet. I'm fearful about tearing the rubber or wires, but seems like "slathering rtv" around it means I slide it out of the cover housing? |
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Title: Re: Discouraging oil leak Post by Neil on 03/29/22 at 05:14:07 Another photo |
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Title: Re: Discouraging oil leak Post by DragBikeMike on 03/29/22 at 22:15:20 Neil, in your Reply #1 you posted a nice picture of your pulley. I know you said you have some sort of other post on your pulley, but I felt I should point out that your pulley nut is loose. If you enlarge the picture you posted, you can see the nut has rotated away from the folded tab on the lock washer. You also have a lot of red-rust residue coming out from under the lock-tab washer, indicating that you have fretting goin on. If you haven't already addressed the loose pulley, I suggest you do it before you ruin your transmission output shaft. Hiko mentioned this in reply #20. Did you do anything about it? |
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