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Message started by Serowbot on 10/15/21 at 10:33:26

Title: An ‘opposing’ view on the Holocaust?
Post by Serowbot on 10/15/21 at 10:33:26

WTF is that????... :-?
An ‘opposing’ view on the Holocaust? Texas school system presents new perspective on diversity of opinion.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/how-do-you-oppose-the-holocaust-texas-school-system-presents-new-perspective-on-diversity-of-opinion-11634311404?siteid=yhoof2

Title: Re: An ‘opposing’ view on the Holocaust?
Post by MnSpring on 10/15/21 at 10:59:14

And,

‘MUSH-FOR-BRAINS’

said What about it ???????

Title: Re: An ‘opposing’ view on the Holocaust?
Post by Eegore on 10/15/21 at 11:21:01

I would want to know if the teacher was referring to Holocaust Denial which is a very real thing and should in my opinion be presented. Just like flat-earth should be introduced, not factually, but as part of modern information mechanism.

Of course parents will complain. When you have to deal with people who think a rainbow flag can turn their kid gay pretty much any topic of any kind will upset someone.

I am in discussion to restart a youth shop program (auto/wood/welding/electronics) and one of the concerns is how much time will be spent on electric vehicles because parents - not parents of the kids in the program - but other parents are concerned that it will "glamorize the internal combustion engine". My answer is they will get as much interaction with electric vehicles as can be safely and accurately be provided.

Title: Re: An ‘opposing’ view on the Holocaust?
Post by Serowbot on 10/15/21 at 12:38:01

4C6C6E667B6C090 wrote:

Just like flat-earth should be introduced, not factually, but as part of modern information mechanism.

Really?... Do we really need to teach children that there are idiots in the world?...
One, I think they already know that,... and two, I don't think they needed to be taught that.
;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: An ‘opposing’ view on the Holocaust?
Post by Eegore on 10/15/21 at 13:07:36

"Really?... Do we really need to teach children that there are idiots in the world?...
One, I think they already know that,... and two, I don't think they needed to be taught that."

Educating how misinformation works is important.

I am not saying we should teach how flat-Earth theory works, but explain that it exists, and is growing in popularity. Then let them apply some of the experiments and math that very obviously proves the Earth can not be flat.

Title: Re: An ‘opposing’ view on the Holocaust?
Post by WebsterMark on 10/15/21 at 13:22:25

Flat earth theory is growing? I can’t believe that.

Title: Re: An ‘opposing’ view on the Holocaust?
Post by Eegore on 10/15/21 at 14:10:40

It's absolutely growing. I've been to two of the international Flat earth conferences, first in Denver, and after that enlightening experience I had to attend the next one in Dallas. The second one almost doubled in size. Admittedly a low number of around 600 - 650, but still that's a lot in one year.

Of course people like my younger cousins fabricate fake Government and NASA documents that they release to Flat-Earthers and that doesn't help matters. The largest takeaways for me are that the UN somehow has ships constantly circling the disk blocking people from reaching Antarctica, and that the every single ship captain and pilot on the planet are in on it to help NASA or whoever make billions.

In either case, due to YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, etc. etc. it is growing as people are very willing to accept things without evidence, especially if they haven't grown up realizing how monetization of online content works.

Hop on YouTube, type in "flat earth lie" and tell me if you think it might be an upward trend.

This one is interesting too:

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2017/11/28/americas-flat-earth-movement-appears-to-be-growing

Title: Re: An ‘opposing’ view on the Holocaust?
Post by WebsterMark on 10/15/21 at 15:23:14

3C2A3D20382D203B4F0 wrote:

In a country where men can have babies and next year is always the year when climate change strikes us for real, science has clearly left the building so why not history? We already started that with 1619.

Title: Re: An ‘opposing’ view on the Holocaust?
Post by MnSpring on 10/15/21 at 15:28:48

‘…Flat Earth growing…’

Why not ?
People believe;
That FL would be under water, 20 years ago.
That a Electric car is Free to run.
That oil pipelines are more of a hazard than the same oil traveling on RR cars.
That a son has to atone for the sins of his Father, and his father, and his father etc. etc. etc.
That tearing down a Statue will change history.
That a person, with a certain color skin is better than another person.
That a China did not manufacture a virus to control the world.
That Stealing and Destroying is Peaceful.
That wearing a mask will stop a virus, when the box the mask came in said it will not.
That giving up a Freedom will make you more secure.

And that a Mush For Brains, who cannot even wipe the $hit off his own Azz, can be elected as a POTUS.

Title: Re: An ‘opposing’ view on the Holocaust?
Post by Eegore on 10/15/21 at 16:37:16

And that assaulting someone for saying they are teaching children to murder is a reasonable response.

Title: Re: An ‘opposing’ view on the Holocaust?
Post by MnSpring on 10/15/21 at 17:45:17

6646444C5146230 wrote:

And that assaulting someone for saying they are teaching children to murder is a reasonable response.

Please explain,
in detail.

Title: Re: An ‘opposing’ view on the Holocaust?
Post by Eegore on 10/15/21 at 20:44:07

"Please explain,
in detail."

A quick outline, and a reference so it can be read in full. My understanding is you feel it is a reasonable response to physically assault Hovis because you perceive his opinion to be a "total insult" and as such equal to spitting in your face. Which as I said is fine, it just doesn't make sense to me, much like your list above are things that don't make sense.

I also do things that don't make sense.

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1553625893/0

MnSpring:

If I ever met the person, Hovis, I believe his face would rapidly meet with my fist.
After he said, 'I teach little kits how to KILL',
after I mentioned I have been teaching Firearms Safety Training
(then for 34 years).

Eegore:

So you would only be teaching people how to punch people in the face for having an opinion you don't like.

MnSpring:

"Nop, I disagree, highly, with people, yet never would resort to physical means.

Until someone walked up to me, called me a, ..., ..., ..., ..., then spit in my face.
Yea, I would most probably succumb to using a fist,
and not be a little puss ey like,
Uygur, Obama, Holder, Frankin, Ellesion, pee in my pants,
then run away and hide under the nearest skirt."

Eegore:

I am missing the part where Hovis is spitting in your face or otherwise committing to a form of physical contact.

Sounds like your fist will rapidly meet his face based exclusively off of his opinion. So will you "never" resort to physical violence, or will you punch a guy in the face for saying something? Nobody can do both.

MnSpring:

I'll explain it for you.
Someone telling me:
'I teach little kits to KILL'
When I am teaching them firearm, SAFETY.

Is the same as spitting in my face.

Eegore:

"I understand where you may perceive it that way but in the physical world we all live in nobody actually spit in your face. For instance there would be no legal charges against Hovis for making you mad. Observed reality would indicate no spit was on your face."

MnSpring response:

Eegore wrote on 03/29/19 at 09:39:26:
to say you would never assault anyone you disagree with is contradictory don't you think?

Nop, it's not.
Not assaulting someone that one disagrees with,
is entirely different than assaulting a person,
for a total insult.

Title: Re: An ‘opposing’ view on the Holocaust?
Post by MnSpring on 10/16/21 at 07:22:05

Great, Thanks for looking that up,
and supplying that information.

Just so you know,
I stand by my statement of:
" If I ever met the person, Hovis, I believe his face would rapidly meet with my fist.
After he said, 'I teach little kits how to KILL',
after I mentioned I have been teaching Firearms Safety Training "
(then for 34 years).

Because:
" Until someone walked up to me, called me a, ..., ..., ..., ..., then spit in my face.
Yea, I would most probably succumb to using a fist,
and not be a little puss ey like,
Uygur, Obama, Holder, Frankin, Ellesion, pee in my pants,
then run away and hide under the nearest skirt."

And:
" I'll explain it for you.
Someone telling me:
'I teach little kits to KILL'
When I am teaching them firearm, SAFETY.
Is the same as spitting in my face."

Their is a difference betyween today's, Mush-For-Brains POS. POTUS
saying: Well, Um, Ya know, Could be, Well Possibly, etc. etc. etc.
(And Bot’s protection of a Ultra UL, DFI FDS Socialist, saying no one can call her a certain name)

And a former POTUS saying:
If do this,
We WILL Do That,
End of discussion.

One has to know, which side of the Street to stand on.
Not Waffle, back and forth !

Title: Re: An ‘opposing’ view on the Holocaust?
Post by Serowbot on 10/16/21 at 10:07:03

795A6744465D5A53340 wrote:

" I'll explain it for you.
Someone telling me:
'I teach little kits to KILL'
When I am teaching them firearm, SAFETY.
Is the same as spitting in my face."

...and I imagine if you were to physically attack a person for whatever they said,... you would never be allowed to train people in gun safety again,... especially not children.

Title: Re: An ‘opposing’ view on the Holocaust?
Post by MnSpring on 10/16/21 at 17:11:17

6177607D65707D66120 wrote:

" ... attack a person for whatever they said,... you would never be allowed to train people in gun safety again, ... "

Maybe, Maybe not !

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Title: Re: An ‘opposing’ view on the Holocaust?
Post by Eegore on 10/17/21 at 12:47:27

(And Bot’s protection of a Ultra UL, DFI FDS Socialist, saying no one can call her a certain name)

My understanding is Serow is saying you can not call any woman what you want to call AOC. The issue is making posts offensive to women, not just AOC, all women. Every woman.

As for teaching firearm safety, maybe if you assaulted someone and were charged with felony assault, you might not be able to teach firearm safety in certain locations. Then again, maybe you would.

I don't think you would actually punch someone for speaking their opinion anyway. Statistically most threats on the internet wouldn't happen, or even be said person to person.

Title: Re: An ‘opposing’ view on the Holocaust?
Post by WebsterMark on 10/18/21 at 05:00:49

My understanding is Serow is saying you can not call any woman what you want to call AOC. The issue is making posts offensive to women, not just AOC, all women. Every woman.

If whenever Mnspring wrote those horrible awful words that cause eyes to fall out after reading them, had our Australian friend or Chicago girl written the exact same words about Ann Coulter or Sarah Palin, nothing would have been said. Just pointing out reality.

Title: Re: An ‘opposing’ view on the Holocaust?
Post by Serowbot on 10/18/21 at 09:15:16

Honestly, I don't know.
Let me say it was more than just the phrase,.. it was the venomous pleasure Mn got from posting it,.. repeatedly.

Just not okay by me.

If you have a problem with something someone says on here,.. just PM me.

Title: Re: An ‘opposing’ view on the Holocaust?
Post by WebsterMark on 10/18/21 at 10:03:36

4452455840555843370 wrote:

Hence, my phrase: our fair and balanced moderator.

I’m not sure anyone gets more venomous pleasure from posting anti-Republican or conservative comments on here than you. But again you are our fair and balanced moderator

Title: Re: An ‘opposing’ view on the Holocaust?
Post by Serowbot on 10/18/21 at 10:35:07

From now on feel free to call me your unfair and unbalanced moderator.

Although,.. I am more fair and balanced than Fox News. :-?

Title: Re: An ‘opposing’ view on the Holocaust?
Post by MnSpring on 10/18/21 at 18:26:25

Quote:

6B7D6A776F7A776C180 wrote:

" ... the venomous pleasure ..."

Is that what you get,
from the posting
of all the totally outrageous names,
you have called a former POTUS ?

Rather simple to understand,
YOU can,
I Can’t !

OK,
Got It !

Title: Re: An ‘opposing’ view on the Holocaust?
Post by Eegore on 10/19/21 at 05:23:19

"Rather simple to understand,
YOU can,
I Can’t !

OK,
Got It !"

This is the result of choosing to use a privately moderated forum. You "got it", again, but you still complain about it as if somebody other than you put you in this position.

There is no principle to stand up for here. There is no higher ground to take. We choose to log in, we should deal with our choices. "Fair" or "Equal" is not claimed as procedure anywhere on this forum. It's like a Moderator only allowing me to use blue color in my posts and people complaining about how unfair it is for years. Nobody ever said it would be. Use another color, or don't log in.

Complaining about the unequal allowance to make derogatory statements about other humans is like complaining you can't use blue text. There's no moral high ground to that.

Title: Re: An ‘opposing’ view on the Holocaust?
Post by Serowbot on 10/19/21 at 08:39:36

64477A595B40474E290 wrote:

Quote:

[quote author=6B7D6A776F7A776C180 link=1634319206/15#17 date=1634573716]" ... the venomous pleasure ..."

Is that what you get,
from the posting
of all the totally outrageous names,
you have called a former POTUS ?

Rather simple to understand,
YOU can,
I Can’t !

OK,
Got It ![/quote]

I get hysterical pleasure making up Trump names...
But Trump himself is a notorious name caller and deserves to vilified for it.
I do not accept an equivalence here, and made the judgment based on any female readers we might have.
We have guests as well as members, and some might choose to stay if they are made to feel welcome.

Trump has almost single-handedly made rude, vile, and sexist comments de rigueur in public discourse.
That don't mean it's allowed here.
Here, we respect women.

Title: Re: An ‘opposing’ view on the Holocaust?
Post by WebsterMark on 10/19/21 at 10:04:31

Here, we respect women.

Unless they are Ann Coulter, Sarah Palin etc…. We don’t consider them humans much less women so rules don’t apply to them. Call them whatever you want.

Title: Re: An ‘opposing’ view on the Holocaust?
Post by Serowbot on 10/19/21 at 10:11:01

Waaa,... waaa,...waaa....

You make an example of "if" this was said about them...
The fact is it hasn't been.
...and that's the point.

Title: Re: An ‘opposing’ view on the Holocaust?
Post by WebsterMark on 10/19/21 at 12:41:06

My point is, don’t pretend you care about women. Be truthful, you care about liberal women. The late, great Rush Limbaugh was 100% correct when he used to say the NAACP was really the NAALCP.

At least have the brass ones to admit the truth.

Title: Re: An ‘opposing’ view on the Holocaust?
Post by Serowbot on 10/20/21 at 08:51:22

I tell you what,... if Mn decides to call Coulter or Palin that name, I'll be sure to admonish him. 8-)

Title: Re: An ‘opposing’ view on the Holocaust?
Post by WebsterMark on 10/20/21 at 10:58:23

5A4C5B465E4B465D290 wrote:

I tell you what,... if Mn decides to call Coulter or Palin that name, I'll be sure to admonish him. 8-)

See you there, you are human! Good for you.

Now just admit that people kill people not guns, abortion ends a human life, only women can have babies, climate change is not the most important issue right now, and finally if you were to peel Biden’s scalp back, you’d find a bowl full of tapioca pudding in between his ears.

Title: Re: An ‘opposing’ view on the Holocaust?
Post by Serowbot on 10/20/21 at 14:59:57

Human,... not crazy...

Title: Re: An ‘opposing’ view on the Holocaust?
Post by MnSpring on 10/22/21 at 21:31:58

So you are saying;

5442554850454853270 wrote:

I tell you what,... if Mn decides to call Coulter or Palin that name, I'll be sure to admonish him.

But if the tt,eds, eegore,
or even yourself said the same thing,
about Coulter/Palin/Huckabee/ect.

it would be perfectly OK.

Yp, Got it,
Par for the Course.

Title: Re: An ‘opposing’ view on the Holocaust?
Post by Eegore on 10/22/21 at 21:50:16

But if the tt,eds, eegore,
or even yourself said the same thing,
about Coulter/Palin/Huckabee/ect.

it would be perfectly OK.

Yp, Got it,
Par for the Course.

I don't think there's any evidence of that since "tt,eds, eegore,or serow" aren't all that invested in being able to say things like that about women in general, let alone a private forum.

Even if it were true, you choose to log in even though stating denigrating statements are important enough to you to keep repeating yourself with no chance of changing the outcome. If I were doing that I would consider myself 50% of that problem.