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Title: E Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/21/21 at 14:50:13 I am not winning. I'm not finding the article or the video of the FDA hours long discussion. Someone either is determined to protect us from the Misinformation of The Actual Video of the conference of the people who made the decision to Not support the booster or I'm just not finding it. I'm in the JoG can't find it camp,because I know me. |
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Title: Re: E Post by Eegore on 09/21/21 at 15:18:25 Chances are you are just not finding it. Millions, this is not an exaggeration, millions of people live-record everything they see on the internet. I know several that record on film. This means they have a camera pointed at their PC that records on an isolated device onto physical film. That information is not being scrubbed by the Government, it can't be hidden away, they have a hard-physical copy. My question is why aren't more people noticing the vaccine is killing on a two to one ratio? How are they covering up that many dead people? CO alone would have millions of dead bodies, where are they? Wouldn't we expect a huge uproar from all the living family members? Millions and millions of people all silenced? How is this happening? |
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Title: Re: E Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/21/21 at 15:20:29 It's not exactly what I had, but it's better than nothing. It has a link to the video and some time in notes to get into to the applicable places, but I'm not seeing exactly what I want here. https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/09/fda_panel_member_on_covid_vaccines_heart_attacks_happen_71_times_more_often.html Consider the percentage of people who Get covid. Then apply the survivability numbers. Now look at the numbers who took the shot. The percentage of Negative Reactions applied to All Those people results in A program that Is a failure and Should be stopped. |
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Title: Re: E Post by MnSpring on 09/21/21 at 17:07:27 48686A627F680D0 wrote:
Simple. All independent ‘agents/researchers/Doctors/Nurses/etc’, who offer contrary opinions, on the SAME raw data. Are Cajoled by, ‘scientists, researchers’. People like Fauci, caught in Lie after Lie. Like the Political appointee who is the figurehead of WHO. And all the people that are under-contract, employed by, living depends on government grants. And the Majority of the Media, who knows who butters their bread. The above TELL what to say, how to interpret, and what to do. And if they do not, they will be punished. Which is not just Covid. (It’s, not, off to the Gulag, … YET …) (This is for BOT) History, everyone, that is the vast majority, believed the Earth was Flat. Only a few, HERETICS, said it was not. What happened ? History, everyone, that is the vast majority, believed the Sun revolved around the Earth. Only a few, HERETICS, said it did Not. What happened ? And several more, HERETICS, said something was not. What happened ? UL FDS Socialists say, “My Body My Choice” Yet say; “NO CHOICE”, for the shot. Yep dismiss information, SIMPLY because it does not come from, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, And, (gasp) PBS. etc/.etc/etc. THAT is how, people are silenced ! “ Slowly I turn, step by step, inch by inch ” Remember the A&C skit ! Slowly I, (we), turn, step by step, inch by inch’, The USA becomes full of FDS. Slowly (we), turn, step by step, inch by inch’, The USA becomes SOCIALISTIC. When INDEPENDENT researchers, come to a different conclusion, ON THE SAME DATA. And are ostracized by, government controlled researchers, and government controlled Media. Hang on to your hat. Cause your Kids/Grand Kids/Great Grand kids, will either be, living in a hovel, and milking cows. Or dressed in a Tux, getting drunk at a party every night. Won’t be any, “In-Between” ! |
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Title: Re: E Post by Eegore on 09/21/21 at 18:02:18 "Simple. All independent ‘agents/researchers/Doctors/Nurses/etc’, who offer contrary opinions, on the SAME raw data." You mean to tell me you think over one hundred million people have died in the US from vaccines and it is all being covered up at this level of efficiency? Not one Heretic is saying a word about this? 2 to 1 death ratio and of just the hundreds of people I know that got the vaccine, not one died. Considering they all had less than 35% chance of living they must be lucky to know me. |
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Title: Re: E Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/21/21 at 22:48:09 You mean to tell me you think over one hundred million people have died in the US from vaccines and it is all being covered up at this level of efficiency? No.. You are playing games |
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Title: Re: E Post by WebsterMark on 09/22/21 at 04:57:22 I think 50 years old is the cut off based on the graphs in the charts that I’ve seen. My opinion is if you’re over 50 and not had Covid, you should get the vaccine in almost all cases, of course there’s a couple medical reasons not to but they’re far and few between. If you had Covid and recovered, I don’t see to need to get the vaccine but again if you’re over 50 in relatively good health, I would anyway. If you’re under 50 and in good health and do not have a history of getting sick all the time I can understand you not taking the vaccine, but again, I would anyway. If you’re a child under 15, no way in hell I would take the vaccine. Our entire vaccine issue revolves around the Democrats using it as a weapon against Trump and then switching gears as if nothing had happened and pretending as if they were in favor of vaccines for Covid all along. It’s the red team versus blue team. That’s all that’s causing this. I had a trip scheduled yesterday, I was at the airport, 10 minutes from getting on a plane, when I got a call the job has been canceled because someone had gotten sick. The entire factory was shortstaffed because of the Covid cases running rampant. It’s in the south in a very rural area and vaccination rates are probably below 20%. I think it would’ve been a good thing months ago for Trump to spend his own money and do a PSA showing charts and graphs and pointing out the honest to God risk factors of the vaccine because there are honest to God risk factors. But he could’ve laid out all the facts and told people that if you fit the very broad criteria of low risk factors, that you should go get vaccinated. I think that would’ve made a fairly significant difference. But as long as Democrats are in power we’re always going to have a shortage of those getting vaccinated because Democrats use Covid to advance power grab. Puddin Head’s ridiculous speech a couple of weeks ago when he made the comment his patience is getting thin only strengthen the objection some people have even stronger. No one who was on the fence about the vaccine decided well I guess I’ll go get the shot now because Puddin Head is getting impatient. Quite the opposite, probably thousands and thousands where leaning towards getting it but once a stupid silly old mush headed man said that, they said no, F U Gramps. So the red team fights back in one of the only ways they can which is they refuse to get vaccinated and they suffer the consequences. It’s very shortsighted thinking. just because the Democrats suck and are awful people, doesn’t mean you shouldn’t get vaccinated because you should. Having said all that, if you don’t want to take the vaccine, I’ve got no problem with it and I don’t think there should be any restrictions on you whatsoever. |
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Title: Re: E Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/22/21 at 06:18:47 https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/09/vasko-kohlmayer/reality-vs-gaslighting-the-vaccine-failure-stares-us-straight-in-the-eyes/ |
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Title: Re: E Post by WebsterMark on 09/22/21 at 08:40:42 Yes, there are breakthrough cases in vaccinated people. I just read a summary of a CDC report which indicates most of the breakthrough cases are in older people with comorbidities the same as we would expect to see an unvaccinated people. Yes, the media is underreporting breakthrough cases and they’re under reporting tragic cases of people who were vaccinated but contracted Covid and died while they are dramatically over reporting cases of people who were outspoken against Covid vaccines, then contracted Covid and died. All that proves is the media as usual is taking whatever side helps the Democratic politicians. I view taking the vaccine as a risk calculation, no different then we all make every time we throw a leg across the motorcycle. Ride a motorcycle and you assume a higher risk than not riding motorcycle. Riding a motorcycle without a helmet and you assume a higher risk than with the helmet. Sure, people who wear all the gear all the time still die in motorcycle accidents and people who were nothing but shorts and flip-flops ride their entire lives injury free. I still ride motorcycles but I wear a helmet. I have a very low risk of Covid I believe but I took the vaccination. For me, the risk of the vaccination was very very low so it made sense. But like Jog, I don’t implicitly trust what the media reports. And with regard to vaccination, I know they’re going to skewer their reporting to help their democratic allies. I know that upfront. But I also know a couple of people at the CDC and I also read these reports because they’re somewhat related to my job so I feel like I made the right risk decision. But that’s my decision, I have no intention of making a decision for you. If you have not had Covid, I would get the vaccination as I think there’s very little risk. But if I’m sitting at a bar having a drink next to you, I’m not worried about it. |
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Title: Re: E Post by Serowbot on 09/22/21 at 09:58:05 I'm not personally that worried but my sense of community compels me to be vaxxed and wear a mask. Children can't be relied on to be that careful. One unvaxxed parent passing Covid on to a child can shut down a classroom, possibly a school. One child may get a serious case. How little the inconvenience of a shot and a mask to protect the community. I get that vaccination is a personal freedom issue for some, but where did our sense of community go? Protecting others is not a weakness. A rising tide lifts all boats. |
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Title: Re: E Post by WebsterMark on 09/22/21 at 10:19:34 You’ve been referring to right wing conservatives as knuckle dragging Neanderthals for years. Now you think we’re going to have a sense of community with you? Not gonna happen. You created the environment for this current situation to flourish so you could get rid of Trump so now you’re going to have to live with what you built. That’s the reality. Has a single child ever shut down school? I don’t mean quarantine rules rules closed the whole school down because someone tested positive I mean did a child infect a high percentage of other children in a school? I’d like to know if that ever actually happened. Again don’t talk about quarantine rules, did children get sick, and I mean sick not testing positive, I mean sick to the point where they couldn’t go to school or even had to be hospitalized. Did that ever really happen? |
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Title: Re: E Post by Serowbot on 09/22/21 at 10:32:37 Maybe it did, maybe it didn't. Maybe it will, maybe it won't. The point is,... a shot and a mask ain't such a sacrifice. |
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Title: Re: E Post by WebsterMark on 09/22/21 at 12:05:41 No, if it did or didn’t happen is the point. It’s the whole point. How do you not see that? |
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Title: Re: E Post by Serowbot on 09/22/21 at 12:12:39 Do you not see that schools have been mostly on lockdown for past year? You're asking for the consequence before the act. |
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Title: Re: E Post by WebsterMark on 09/22/21 at 13:28:45 Did they need to be? Probably not. I believe the number is four times more children died of the flu the year before Covid then died of Covid in a year. (I’m sure Eegore will check me on that) So does that mean when Covid is all done, anytime a kid gets the flu, the school closes? Why not? I don’t think you can use how schools, governments and work places responded to the pandemic as evidence of the severity of the pandemic. I was always bothered by the fact Home Depot stayed open but a mom and pop hardware store was forced to close. All those teachers who stayed home were able to shop at Home Depot and finished that home project they’ve been putting off. I work for Swedish company so we all talk to people from Sweden and they did not respond the way we responded and by any measure, they turned out better. But to be fair, in my trips to Sweden, I’ve never seen a fat, disgusting Swede. I swear if you get too fat, they’d throw you out of the country! But back to my point, it does matter what the real infection rates are with children in school. It absolutely matters. We’ve clearly gone overboard. But none of that should impact someone’s decision to get a vaccine. As I’ve said, you should get the vaccine but if you don’t I’ll sit down in a bar next to you and have a beer. |
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Title: Re: E Post by MnSpring on 09/22/21 at 13:44:19 7761766B73666B70040 wrote:
Isnt that from Mao Zedong’s ‘little red book’ ? Read this slow, carefully, each word. Then, re-read it ! Which Works Better? Those that do not learn from History, WILL repeat the mistakes ! GOVERNOR BRADFORD'S history of the Plymouth Bay Colony is a story that deserves to be far better known, particularly in an age that has acquired a mania for socialism and Communism, regards them as "progressive”, and that they represent; "the wave of the future." “… Most of us have forgotten that when the Pilgrim Fathers landed on the shores of Massachusetts they established a Communist system. Out of their common product and storehouse they set up a system of rationing, though it came to "but a quarter of a pound of bread a day to each person." Even when harvest came, "it arose to but a little." A vicious circle seemed to set in. The people complained that they were too weak from want of food to tend the crops as they should. Deeply religious though they were, they took to stealing from each other. "So as it well appeared," writes Governor Bradford, "that famine must still insue the next year allso, if not some way prevented." So the colonists, he continues, "begane to thinke how they might raise as much corne as they could, and obtaine a beter crope than they had done, that they might not still thus languish in miserie. At length [in 1623] after much debate of things, the Gov. (with the advise of the cheefest amongest them) gave way that they should set corne every man for his owne perticuier, and in that regard trust to them selves... And so assigned to every family a parcell of land... "This had very good success; for it made all hands very industrious, so as much more corne was planted than other waise would have bene by any means the Gov. or any other could use, and saved him a great deall of trouble, and gave farr better contente. "The women now wente willingly into the feild, and tooke their litle-ons with them to set corne, which before would aledg weakness, and inabilitie; whom to have compelled would have bene thought great tiranie and oppression. "The experience that was had in this commone course and condition, tried sundrie years, and that amongst godly and sober men, may well evince the vanitie of that conceite of Platos and other ancients, applauded by some of later times;-that the taking away of propertie, and bringing in communitie into a comone wealth, would make them happy and florishing; as if they were wiser than God. For this comunitie (so farr as it was) was found to breed much confusion and discontent, and retard much imployment that would have been to their benefite and comforte. "For the yong-men that were most able and title for labour and service did repine that they should spend their time and streingth to worke for other mens wives and children, with out any recompense. The strong, or man of parts, had no more in devission of victails and cloaths, than he that was weake and not able to doe a quarter the other could; this was thought injuestice... "And for men's wives to be commanded to doe servise for other men, as dressing their meate, washing their cloaths, etc., they deemed it a kind of slaverie, neither could many husbands well brooke it... "By this time harvest was come, and instead of famine, now God gave them plentie, and the face of things was changed, to the rejoysing of the harts of many, for which they blessed God. And the effect of their particuler [private] planting was well seene, for all had, one way and other, pretty well to bring the year aboute, and some of the abler sorte and more industrious had to spare, and sell to others, so as any generall wante or famine hath not been amongest them since to this day." And from Captain John Smith's account, we learn of similar experiences in Virginia: "When our people were fed out of the common store, and laboured jointly together, glad was he could slip from his labour, or slumber over his taske he cared not how, nay, the most honest among them would hardly take so much true paines in a weeke, as now for themselves they will doe in a day: neither cared they for the increase, presuming that howsoever the harvest prospered, the generall store must maintaine them, so that wee reaped not so much Corne from the labours of thirtie, as now three or foure doe provide for themselves." |
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Title: Re: E Post by Serowbot on 09/22/21 at 13:49:05 https://www.businessinsider.com/sweden-covid-no-lockdown-strategy-failed-higher-death-rate-2021-8?op=1 Sweden has also recorded around 145 COVID-19 deaths for every 100,000 people — around three times more than Denmark, eight times more than Finland, and nearly 10 times more than Norway. Beautiful place, Sweden... and I think they have more sense of community than here. They would likely follow suggested guidelines more without the need for mandates. Still they didn't fair as well as other Nordic countries. Generally. |
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Title: Re: E Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/22/21 at 14:50:47 What happened? https://fee.org/articles/daily-covid-deaths-in-sweden-hit-zero-as-other-nations-brace-for-more-lockdowns/ How's Israel doing? |
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Title: Re: E Post by WebsterMark on 09/22/21 at 16:02:12 5046514C54414C57230 wrote:
They’ll tell you that’s because they foolishly took on a ridiculous number of migrants. Crime has been skyrocketing and they are not very happy with what they did. And yes they will follow suggestions because they are far more focused on health. But one way to look at that it’s because they’re very much ungodly, high percentage of atheists. Atheist are almost by definition selfish. So they worry too much about themselves. |
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Title: Re: E Post by Serowbot on 09/22/21 at 16:19:52 665453424554437C50435A310 wrote:
Do you find it ironic that I'm arguing to protect children bu getting jabbed and masking up, and you're arguing against it? I know I do... ;D |
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Title: Re: E Post by WebsterMark on 09/22/21 at 18:21:49 I’m not arguing to NOT protect children. You’re pretending vaccinating young children and forcing them to wear masks come with no risks which isn’t true. My poor little granddaughter who loves talking and loves people wears a oxygen starving, spit adsorbing mask which does absolutely nothing. There’s no science to back that up but as usual, leftist ignore science. It’s ridiculous. |
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Title: Re: E Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/22/21 at 18:32:09 Well,, I found this today.. Not sure what number I would put on it, but the advertised stats are probably crap. https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/study-governments-own-data-reveals-that-at-least-150000-probably-dead-in-u-s-following-covid-19-vaccines/ |
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Title: Re: E Post by Serowbot on 09/23/21 at 09:40:25 Follow the bolony |
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Title: Re: E Post by WebsterMark on 09/23/21 at 10:21:18 67787E7964635262526A78743F0D0 wrote:
That doesn’t seem remotely possible. If that were true I would know someone who died after getting the vaccine or I would know people who have close friends relatives who died after getting the vaccine. 150 thousand is a lot of people. |
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Title: Re: E Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/23/21 at 10:28:51 As I said I'm not buying the Official numbah Nor am I ready to agree with this. The Died from covid numbers seemed inflated The died from Making you safe numbers aren't looking accurate. The vaccinated with covid does not make me think good things. |
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Title: Re: E Post by WebsterMark on 09/23/21 at 16:24:00 But to be fair, the Covid deaths are dramatically inflated as well. Maybe the 150k vaccinated deaths is inflated by the same proportion as Covid deaths? Who knows. |
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Title: Re: E Post by MnSpring on 09/23/21 at 17:26:39 5D4B5C41594C415A2E0 wrote:
So would that be all the PEOPLE, that STAYED home, and GOT more MONEY, NOT WORKING, THAN WORKING ? Would that be all the people that said: ‘Cough, Cough, Cough,’ Would that be all the people who knew they could NOT go to their local small town hardware store/lumberyard, but knew they could go to a Big Box Store, and do that, ‘Honey Do project’, while getting paid MORE, to, “”””Sit at home “””. Would that be the people you are talking about ? |
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