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Title: Presidential AND Christian... Post by T And T Garage on 06/16/21 at 13:05:02 Cornish churchgoers ‘gobsmacked’ as Bidens join them for Sunday service https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/joe-biden-g7-church-cornwall-b1865514.html But still the religious right despises Biden and loves trump. I could care less about religion - but the hypocrisy is palpable among the so called "Christian conservatives"... Meh... it's fun to watch! And it's only gonna get better this summer! :) |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by Gus on 06/17/21 at 05:33:58 I think it would be safe to say Joe Biden wouldn't miss a Sunday service unless he was flat on his back in the hospital. |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by Matchless G11 on 06/17/21 at 15:08:37 Just because one lives in a garage doesn't make one a car. Going to church doesn't make one a Christian. Biden is very out of step with church teachings. |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by T And T Garage on 06/17/21 at 15:46:26 70696767313172657465636B333435000 wrote:
Is he? How so? From what I can see, he's a model Christian. Far, far better than his predecessor. |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by WebsterMark on 06/17/21 at 16:42:12 Christianity is Grace Through Faith and not the imperfect passing judgement on other imperfects as in a Works Theology. |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by Matchless G11 on 06/17/21 at 17:40:40 160807060B160D10620 wrote:
Far better? Calling for the murder of the unborn? Killing of children is not Christian. |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by T And T Garage on 06/17/21 at 17:52:46 7C656B6B3D3D7E6978696F673F38390C0 wrote:
Far better? Calling for the murder of the unborn? Killing of children is not Christian. [/quote] Lol. A fetus is not a baby. Oh, and when exactly did he "call for it"???? In fact, I'd say that Biddn is against abortion, but for the right of a woman to have a choice. Far, FAR better than his predecessor. |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by T And T Garage on 06/17/21 at 17:53:34 1B292E3F38293E012D3E274C0 wrote:
Well put. And that's Biden in a nutshell with his faith. |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by Eegore on 06/17/21 at 18:48:19 "Calling for the murder of the unborn?" Isn't there a difference between "calling for" something and just not caring, or thinking people can make their own decisions? For instance I don't care either way about Capital Punishment, but I wouldn't say I am therefore calling for the murder of prisoners. I just don't care. To me, calling for the murder of the unborn means wanting the unborn to be killed. As for who's a "Good Christian" I thought one of the fundamental principles of modern biblical faith is that it's not even for us to decide as we are essentially uncapable as inherently flawed beings. |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by WebsterMark on 06/17/21 at 18:55:13 697778797469726F1D0 wrote:
Well put. And that's Biden in a nutshell with his faith. [/quote] I think you just demonstrated you don’t understand. |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by WebsterMark on 06/17/21 at 19:01:45 As for who's a "Good Christian" I thought one of the fundamental principles of modern biblical faith is that it's not even for us to decide as we are essentially uncapable as inherently flawed beings. At the risk of sounding like your infatuated fan, that’s correct Eegore. Even more so that’s the case with public figures that we have absolutely no opportunity to see behind the curtains. |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by Matchless G11 on 06/18/21 at 03:33:26 756B646568756E73010 wrote:
Far better? Calling for the murder of the unborn? Killing of children is not Christian. [/quote] Lol. A fetus is not a baby. Oh, and when exactly did he "call for it"???? In fact, I'd say that Biddn is against abortion, but for the right of a woman to have a choice. Far, FAR better than his predecessor. [/quote] a fetus is just the name for a stage in a human life Just like a child is not adult. So just because some people call a baby a fetus does that give some one the right to kill him or her. As for Biden being against Abortion but for the woman right to kill a child. Is like someone saying "I am not for slavery but I not going to be against anyone for owning a slave." |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by WebsterMark on 06/18/21 at 04:19:00 Matchless. a fetus is just the name for a stage in a human life Just like a child is not adult. So just because some people call a baby a fetus does that give some one the right to kill him or her. As for Biden being against Abortion but for the woman right to kill a child. Is like someone saying "I am not for slavery but I not going to be against anyone for owning a slave." Excellent points Match. “I’m pro choice on slavery” There’s quite a bummer sticker slogan! I don’t want peace loving liberals to destroy my car or abort me so let me know how that works out for you. |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by T And T Garage on 06/18/21 at 05:33:09 053730212637201F332039520 wrote:
One problem with that logic. Slaves are humans, fetuses are not. Your good book is hazy at best when it tries to explain/define when life begins. In some passage in the OT, doesn't it say something like the first breath?.... I'm not a theology majoy But once again, this has gone sideways. The point of this post is to contrast and compare the differences between Biden and his predecessor in term of Christian faith. Biden shows and practices it. His predecessor, not even a little - a three time (that we know of) adulterer, constant use of profanity in public gatherings, openly calling for violence at his rallies, etc. But hey, that's all fine and good. Like I said, I could care less about a guy's religion. But it's funny to see the so called "Christians" on the right flocking to trump and hating on Biden, that's all. |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by Matchless G11 on 06/18/21 at 07:42:23 Well at one time this country thought slaves were not human but property . As for the fetus It can be treated as a human being. at 21 days It has a heart beat Brain wave activities separate DNA from the mother. This is not the good book but science. Since women don't give birth to dogs or monkeys, if it is not human then what is it? |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by T And T Garage on 06/18/21 at 07:56:24 49505E5E08084B5C4D5C5A520A0D0C390 wrote:
Technically it's a fetus, and a fetus can't survive outside the host....it's more like a parasite than a baby... If at 21 days you consider it human, then tens of thousands of women, perhaps hundreds of thousands, are guilty of murder due to their own carelessness like smoking, drinking, overexertion, poor diet, etc. But again, this isn't about abortion, this is about Biden being much closer to the definition of Christian than his predecessor. If you refuse to see that, that's on you. Anyone can see what the reality of the situation is. |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by Serowbot on 06/18/21 at 08:22:05 Corinthians Two... ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by Matchless G11 on 06/18/21 at 11:30:04 3D232C2D203D263B490 wrote:
Technically it's a fetus, and a fetus can't survive outside the host....it's more like a parasite than a baby... If at 21 days you consider it human, then tens of thousands of women, perhaps hundreds of thousands, are guilty of murder due to their own carelessness like smoking, drinking, overexertion, poor diet, etc. But again, this isn't about abortion, this is about Biden being much closer to the definition of Christian than his predecessor. If you refuse to see that, that's on you. Anyone can see what the reality of the situation is. [/quote] I have never seen anyone with a shirt with "I am having a parasite" However I have seen many preemies survive. Even so. A newborn will die with out some form of outside help. Did you look upon your daughter as a parasite? But back on the question of Biden acting like a Christian, Do all Christians have to act like a wimped out version of Ned Flanders? No some Christian men are like the Walt Kowalski character in Gran Torino. Rough drinking, smoking, cussing but ultimately do the right thing. Real life versions were Steve McQueen and John Wayne. |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by T And T Garage on 06/18/21 at 12:05:51 564F4141171754435243454D151213260 wrote:
Viable is different than non viable. But I'm not going to debate that anymore on this thread, you wanna start an abortion thread, have at it hoss. Suffice it to say the men and characters you mention were probably good Christians as well, I'm not disputing that. You're missing the point/refusing to see it. I'm saying that Biden is a better Christian than his predecessor. In pretty much every way. Anyone with half a brain can see that. |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by Matchless G11 on 06/19/21 at 04:21:21 Those who do not believe in God, telling those who deeply believe in God that Biden is a good Christian doesn't carry a lot of weight. It is like me who has no musical ability saying Clapton is a terrible guitarist, but those who play know better. |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by Matchless G11 on 06/19/21 at 04:33:47 4F515E5F524F54493B0 wrote:
Viable is different than non viable. But I'm not going to debate that anymore on this thread, you wanna start an abortion thread, have at it hoss. Suffice it to say the men and characters you mention were probably good Christians as well, I'm not disputing that. You're missing the point/refusing to see it. I'm saying that Biden is a better Christian than his predecessor. In pretty much every way. Anyone with half a brain can see that. [/quote] You are not debating abortion any more? That is the crux of why Biden is not a good Christian. That is the main argument. Maybe you don't want to debate for you may have to admit that he or she that is being aborted is a human and not some parasite. Truth hurts. |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by T And T Garage on 06/19/21 at 05:03:04 7A636D6D3B3B786F7E6F6961393E3F0A0 wrote:
Lmao. What a bullsh!t thing to say. ;D ;D ;D Everyone and anyone can see Clapton is a phenomenal guitar player. You don't need to know music to know that. Just like I don't need to know how to play football to know that Walter Payton was one of the greatest. I can't play basketball at all, but I know that Jordan was one of the best to ever play the game. Like I said, anyone can see that Biden is a far better example of a Christian than his predecessor. |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by T And T Garage on 06/19/21 at 05:07:16 61787676202063746574727A222524110 wrote:
No, because this is about Biden's Christian examples compared to his predecessor. Biden supports a woman's right to choose. His predecessor flip flopped depending on what was popular. Tell you what, when they overturn roe v wade, then come talk to me. Until then, it's a moot point. |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by WebsterMark on 06/19/21 at 05:32:33 You gotta love the party of science. Of course a fetus is a human being. Ridiculous to say otherwise but that’s how they justify killing it. |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by MnSpring on 06/19/21 at 07:26:57 Quote:
Excellent 'TROLL' comment, grasshopper. |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by Matchless G11 on 06/19/21 at 08:17:38 At one time one had a Choice to own a slave At one time Germany had the Choice to exterminate Jews Now a woman has a Choice to kill a child. Funny how the victims do not have a choice. Just because something is popular doesn't make it right... |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by Serowbot on 06/19/21 at 08:50:17 Do you call an acorn a tree? |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by T And T Garage on 06/19/21 at 10:01:37 4E7C7B6A6D7C6B54786B72190 wrote:
You can't kill something that's not technically alive. Womp womp |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by T And T Garage on 06/19/21 at 10:02:27 776E6060363675627362646C343332070 wrote:
Again, big difference is that slaves are humans. A fetus is not. |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by MnSpring on 06/19/21 at 14:10:38 Quote:
Says the UL, DFI, Fairy Dust Sprinkling, Socialists. And yea at one time it was LEGAL to KILL Slaves. (No links, just do what tt tells everybody to do) |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by Matchless G11 on 06/19/21 at 15:55:30 Again, big difference is that slaves are humans. A fetus is not. [/quote] High school biology book says life begins at conception. I guess someone here is science challenged. On can sit here and and claim the sun is made of ice all day. But I believe in objective truth. |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by T And T Garage on 06/19/21 at 16:41:53 4B525C5C0A0A495E4F5E5850080F0E3B0 wrote:
High school biology book says life begins at conception. I guess someone here is science challenged. On can sit here and and claim the sun is made of ice all day. But I believe in objective truth. [/quote] dude, I'm not going to continue to debate on this. Get it through your skull that right now, abortion is legal. You don't like it, then work to change it. Don't sit there and tell me I'm wrong for supporting a woman's right to choose, 'cause you ain't gonna change my mind. And as it is right now, the law is on MY side.... so.... deal As to the original germ of this thread, Biden continues to show himself more Christian than his predecessor. Again, deal with it. |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by T And T Garage on 06/19/21 at 16:42:46 5774496A6873747D1A0 wrote:
Says the UL, DFI, Fairy Dust Sprinkling, Socialists. And yea at one time it was LEGAL to KILL Slaves. (No links, just do what tt tells everybody to do) [/quote] ;D ;D It's so nice to know that I live in your head rent free! |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by Matchless G11 on 06/20/21 at 05:59:27 697778797469726F1D0 wrote:
High school biology book says life begins at conception. I guess someone here is science challenged. On can sit here and and claim the sun is made of ice all day. But I believe in objective truth. [/quote] dude, I'm not going to continue to debate on this. Get it through your skull that right now, abortion is legal. You don't like it, then work to change it. Don't sit there and tell me I'm wrong for supporting a woman's right to choose, 'cause you ain't gonna change my mind. And as it is right now, the law is on MY side.... so.... deal As to the original germ of this thread, Biden continues to show himself more Christian than his predecessor. Again, deal with it. [/quote] The law maybe on your side but morality and science is not. I guess am not going to change your mind for you maybe too closed minded. You never answered my question "Did you look upon you daughter as a parasite?" Giving up for are you losing the argument? Most people who are angry over abortion is because they have had one, or helped to procure one. Since the first part doesn't apply to you. I question hypothetically Someone you know very well may have procured a abortion for a girlfriend and suffers guilt, and cannot get oneself to admit they removed a life from this world. Do you know that person TT? |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by T And T Garage on 06/20/21 at 07:57:20 554C4242141457405140464E161110250 wrote:
First off, science is all over the place as to when life begins, so you can let that one go. Second, no, I don't consider any of my children parasites. In my personal al case, we would never have considered abortion under any circumstance. That's me... I can't force my values on others. Each scenario is different. If a woman chooses to have an abortion, that's between her, her doctor and her beliefs/religion/God. Third, no, I've never been in a situation where I had to support an abortion or enable some woman to have one. No one I know has ever had an abortion. Fourth, why not get off your sanctimonious high horse and deal with the reality of the world instead of just point out what you think is wrong with other people, huh? Like I said, this thread isn't about abortion. Debate what a "great" Christian" Bidens predecessor was.... oh yeah, you can't. |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by WebsterMark on 06/20/21 at 08:32:12 First off, science is all over the place as to when life begins, so you can let that one go. No, science is not all over the place. Again, leftist simply lie and pretend the definition of words are different. Just say you’re okay with someone who is inconvenienced by a pregnancy killing the growing life in them. Just say it. |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by Eegore on 06/20/21 at 09:43:48 "Most people who are angry over abortion is because they have had one, or helped to procure one." Where did you get these numbers? |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by Serowbot on 06/20/21 at 09:55:36 1E3E3C34293E5B0 wrote:
Numbers?... What numbers?... Ever wonder how many abortions Trump has paid for? :-? |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by Eegore on 06/20/21 at 10:03:07 Numbers?... What numbers?... Ever wonder how many abortions Trump has paid for? True there aren't "numbers" stated but the claim of majority can be quantified to some degree. I just wonder how this outcome is assessed. As for Trump, if you are Pro-Trump he never paid for any abortion. If you are Anti-Trump then he paid for at least one. |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by Matchless G11 on 06/20/21 at 11:48:20 48686A627F680D0 wrote:
I have known many people who have worked in post abortion consoling They have told me me the anger is because of guilt over abortion. |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by T And T Garage on 06/20/21 at 11:56:31 093B3C2D2A3B2C133F2C355E0 wrote:
Ambiguous at best on when life begins. You can't sit there and say a group of cells is life. Not even a heartbeat in some cases can be considered "life". https://slate.com/human-interest/2017/04/when-does-life-begin-outside-the-christian-right-the-answer-is-over-time.html https://www.swarthmore.edu/news-events/when-does-personhood-begin |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by Matchless G11 on 06/20/21 at 12:15:58 Third, no, I've never been in a situation where I had to support an abortion or enable some woman to have one. No one I know has ever had an abortion. [/quote] No one you know has had a abortion? I have known many, The guilt they live with is incredible. They are not closed minded to the truth. A girl I dated in high school years later we almost got married. One of her issues was she had abortion in her 20s. One thing she did in dealing with the guilt was to dress as a abortion for Halloween. She took chopped up doll parts and glued them to her clothes and splattered fake blood on herself. Maybe you could work with some post abortion women and learn some truth. |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by Matchless G11 on 06/20/21 at 12:19:01 736D62636E736875070 wrote:
Ambiguous at best on when life begins. You can't sit there and say a group of cells is life. Not even a heartbeat in some cases can be considered "life". https://slate.com/human-interest/2017/04/when-does-life-begin-outside-the-christian-right-the-answer-is-over-time.html https://www.swarthmore.edu/news-events/when-does-personhood-begin[/quote] Ambiguous about life? That is like seeing something in the road that looks like a person and running over he or she, and then saying to the judge "I was not sure so I did not stop." |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by Serowbot on 06/20/21 at 15:05:20 Wow... That's a stretch... ::) |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by MnSpring on 06/20/21 at 15:20:41 546661707766714E627168030 wrote:
First three web sights: 95 (+/-) % of Abortions, ELECTIVE ! (One was even 99.31%) So for those who stand for, ‘choice’, it is a 90%+++++, (legal), choice, to KILL. So tt and clones, Just SAY it, Just say you love killing a human, for convenience sake ! Amazing how the doubling of cells in a human female is declared, by some, Not Life. Yet the same spend several BILLIONS, and several decades, to find a single cell on another planet, and call it PROOF of Life. |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by WebsterMark on 06/20/21 at 15:21:11 Why is that a stretch? You’re in favor of killing unborn babies because you lie to yourself that what’s obviously life, is not. |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by Serowbot on 06/20/21 at 15:26:45 Here's the thing, we talk about this in a much more philosophical way than women do. The fact is, women have to bear the responsibility, the risk, and the burden. And women in the millions have chosen. We can't walk a mile in their shoes. Perhaps your friend that dressed as an abortion did it out of a guilt that you put on her,... or, perhaps she was defying your judgement and standing up for herself. Being anti-choice is telling women that you know better what they should do with their own bodies. That puts them in a position of domination. You have to respect women more than that. There are millions of Christian, even Catholic women that have made that choice and it's rarely taken lightly. The issue is not when life begins,... that can be different for different people, and it is based almost entirely on religious dogma. It's who has the right to decide that for someone else. |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by MnSpring on 06/20/21 at 15:26:48 504E41404D504B56240 wrote:
Ya know, if you were real nice to JOG, he will probably sell you some BURN Cream !!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by Serowbot on 06/20/21 at 15:42:22 657C7272242467706170767E262120150 wrote:
What high school did you go to? A High School biology book would debate whether a virus is life. Our bodies are made up of living cells,.. a good percentage are living bacteria... that's all biological life. Do you want to define bacteria as human? Life begins at conception is a religious idea, not science. |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by MnSpring on 06/20/21 at 15:57:32 7264736E76636E75010 wrote:
WOW, So you believe; I should decide what kind of Car to drive? I should decide to smoke/vape or not ? I should decide to use Solar/Wind, or plug it in ? I should decide what kind of Firearm to own ? An on ... SO GLAD, you do not want to, 'decide' for me ! (Oh Wait !) |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by T And T Garage on 06/20/21 at 16:24:10 6C4F725153484F46210 wrote:
Ya know, if you were real nice to JOG, he will probably sell you some BURN Cream !!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D [/quote] Tell you what. I'll buy that burn cream as soon as you learn the difference between "their", "there" and "they're"....mkay? :D |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by WebsterMark on 06/21/21 at 05:00:50 And women in the millions have chosen. We can't walk a mile in their shoes. And women by the millions have chosen the other way too. Which do we listen to? Killing an inborn baby for convenience’s is an awful thing to do and it should haunt, follow and hopefully guide someone’s future to a better place. Unfortunately, leftist have turned abortion into birth control. If you say you’ve thought carefully about the issue and have decided it’s acceptable to legally kill an unborn child for any reason and at any time, then you’ve got a problem. I’d like to think you haven’t really considered the issue or you have but your politics gets in the way so you redefine words as a defense mechanism. |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by Matchless G11 on 06/22/21 at 14:02:14 2B3D2A372F3A372C580 wrote:
I put guilt on my friend? no. I had lost contact with her from high school till about 10 years ago. When we were dating again she told me. By the way sew, I am not anti choice. I am Pro Life. I choose life. |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by Matchless G11 on 06/22/21 at 14:13:42 2533243921343922560 wrote:
I took a while to answer this one for you Sew Sea turtles come up on shore to lay their eggs. Since the eggs are not alive by your definition. Is it ok to smash them? After all they are not turtles and not alive. |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by Serowbot on 06/22/21 at 15:11:18 Do you eat eggs for breakfast?... When you do, do you order chicken? |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by WebsterMark on 06/22/21 at 17:17:06 I order eggs and eat unborn chickens. Sometimes I kill and eat full grow adult chickens. |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by T And T Garage on 06/22/21 at 17:26:42 0B393E2F28392E113D2E375C0 wrote:
There ya go! Just got ahead and say only human life is sacred and be done with it. Next time you see a stray dog, just kill it. Animal lives aren't sacred, right? Forget about the tens of millions of cows, chickens, pig, etc that get killed every year for our bellies. Only one life is sacred......right? |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by WebsterMark on 06/22/21 at 19:02:16 Human life is unique. There’s nothing that even remotely compares to us. Nothing. And yes, you’re correct, only we are sacred. Of course that doesn’t condone cruelty to animals and only a fool would think so. One does not lead to the other except in sick minds. |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by Matchless G11 on 06/23/21 at 03:41:48 437176676071665975667F140 wrote:
And with that I may Quote this guy... "“If you leave off looking at books about beasts and men, if you begin to look at beasts and men then (if you have any humour or imagination, any sense of the frantic or the farcical) you will observe that the startling thing is not how like man is to the brutes, but how unlike he is. It is the monstrous scale of his divergence that requires an explanation. That man and brute are like is, in a sense, a truism; but that being so like they should then be so insanely unlike, that is the shock and the enigma. That an ape has hands is far less interesting to the philosopher than the fact that having hands he does next to nothing with them; does not play knuckle-bones or the violin; does not carve marble or carve mutton. People talk of barbaric architecture and debased art. But elephants do not build colossal temples of ivory even in a roccoco style; camels do not paint even bad pictures, though equipped with the material of many camel's-hair brushes. Certain modern dreamers say that ants and bees have a society superior to ours. They have, indeed, a civilization; but that very truth only reminds us that it is an inferior civilization. Who ever found an ant-hill decorated with the statues of celebrated ants? Who has seen a bee-hive carved with the images of gorgeous queens of old? No; the chasm between man and other creatures may have a natural explanation, but it is a chasm. We talk of wild animals; but man is the only wild animal. It is man that has broken out. All other animals are tame animals; following the rugged respectability of the tribe or type. All other animals are domestic animals; man alone is ever undomestic, either as a profligate or a monk. So that this first superficial reason for materialism is, if anything, a reason for its opposite; it is exactly where biology leaves off that all religion begins.” G K Chesterton |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by WebsterMark on 06/23/21 at 04:02:34 Good one Match. And I will quote this: What is mankind that you are mindful of them, human beings that you care for them? You have made them a little lower than the angels and crowned them with glory and honor. You made them rulers over the works of your hands; you put everything under their feet; all flocks and herds and the animals of the wild, the birds in the sky, and the fish in the sea, all that swim the paths of the seas. |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by T And T Garage on 06/23/21 at 06:32:05 You boys never had a pet then I guess. If you did, then you'd know that these "brutes" have feeling, emotion, self awareness and compassion. They dream, they feel, yet somehow you guys think they are lessor lives. If that's the case, why do we mourn them? Why are there so many out there that actually depend on them for their daily well being (therapy animals)? But whatever, you two pick and choose the lives you think are important and make yourselves feel better while you're eating that steak that was conveniently murdered for you in what is surely a horrific experience for that cow. You go ahead and crusade for the fetuses and then after their born, we'll, who gives a sh!t, right? Let's support the death penalty and get more guns to kill bad guys..... Just know this: Biden is a better Christian than trump will ever be. That's the point of this thread, remember? |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by WebsterMark on 06/23/21 at 06:49:35 Sure I have. I’ve loved pets and cried at their deaths. But I’m not foolish enough to pretend they’re anything more than what they are which are amazing animals. You can’t murder a cow. You can kill a cow, but murder is one human killing another for unlawful purposes. That’s your opinion. I said it’s not possible to make that statement on public figures whose persona is carefully portrayed. |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by Eegore on 06/23/21 at 07:44:47 I think at the most we can say that Biden physically engages in more public religious activity, specific to his religion, than Trump. That's it. That's as far as any of us can go with the information we are able to extract from the internet or TV which is where this information is coming from. None of us know if Biden is one of those Catholics that goes through the motions but really could care less internally. For all we know he could not believe in God at all. There is no way for us to know. Trump could be kneeling down three times a day praying for guidance and a way to improve who he is and those around him, but not physically act on it. There is no way for us to know. That's the issue with religion - it is entirely in the mind. It is rather easy to act religious and not be, as well as act non-religious and actually be very devout internally. All we can do is compare the physical actions and statements to each President that we find online and in transmitted media. |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by MnSpring on 06/23/21 at 19:56:27 776966676A776C71030 wrote:
When are YOU going to say/admit; '' ... you’re okay with someone who is inconvenienced by a pregnancy, killing the growing life in them... '' ?????[/b] 776966676A776C71030 wrote:
WOW, did not realize that you, are one of those that buy their, Beef/Pork/Chicken/etc. At the Supermarket, Where no animal was harmed ! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by MnSpring on 06/23/21 at 20:04:05 Quote:
That is your opinion, (biased on what you are told to repeat) People that can think on their own, without being told, what to think. Can see clearly, by actions, Trump is far Superior to 'Ding-Dong', when it comes to Christianity |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by Serowbot on 06/24/21 at 09:02:58 Corinthians Part Deux... ;D ;D ;D http://https://i.redd.it/6ktsvgu1gr351.jpg |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by WebsterMark on 06/24/21 at 09:50:34 Blah, blah, blah….. Oh, isn’t this where you leftist lied through your teeth as usual? Maybe you ought to read up a bit before you post photos. |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by T And T Garage on 06/24/21 at 10:06:32 1D3E032022393E37500 wrote:
When are YOU going to say/admit; '' ... you’re okay with someone who is inconvenienced by a pregnancy, killing the growing life in them... '' ?????[/b] I'm in favor of allowing a woman to choose what to do with her body. Further, a fetus is not a baby. You can't prove otherwise. 776966676A776C71030 wrote:
WOW, did not realize that you, are one of those that buy their, Beef/Pork/Chicken/etc. At the Supermarket, Where no animal was harmed ! [/quote] Sorry mn, I'm not as stupid as you wish I were. I know full well what goes on in meat processing plants (slaughter houses). I'm fine with my choice of eating real beef, chicken, pork and other tasty animals. I also know what comes with it - a two sided view of animals and life in general. If I had a pig for a pet, of course I wouldn't eat it, but I'd still buy a slab of pork ribs at the store to throw in the smoker. A lot of people take the animal out of the "eating meat" equation completely. They don't want to think about where their meals actually come from. They'll say that "life is precious " yet they don't consider the life of the animal they eat because it's "not the same". It's very convenient. These are the same idiots that say "all lives matter". ;D |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by T And T Garage on 06/24/21 at 10:10:11 536166777061764965766F040 wrote:
Yeah, trump is such a stellar Christian that he's holding the Bible upside-down and holding it up high to show "what a great Christian" he is....lol. The orange idiot was just looking for a photo-op. He has no clue what's even in that book. Prove me wrong. |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by WebsterMark on 06/24/21 at 11:44:50 Any public showing of a President is by definition, a photo op. Anyone could hold a book upside down, but that’s hardly evidence of a lack of understanding. Are you suggesting you’ve never made a mistake? I’m sure Trump has a clue what’s in the book. As much as Biden? I have no idea. I proved you wrong. |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by T And T Garage on 06/24/21 at 14:36:00 675552434455427D51425B300 wrote:
Lol, no you didn't prove me wrong. In fact, it's impossible either way. Thankfully I don't know trump personally and have only his public persona to go on. But when you look at the 2, there is no comparison. The photo op above perfectly details trump's Christian interactions. He knows it's important to his base, but could really give a rat's a$$ about the details or what it means to be a Christian. Anyone with working eyes and an IQ above 25 can see that. ;D |
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Title: Re: Presidential AND Christian... Post by WebsterMark on 06/24/21 at 16:13:32 My eyes work and my IQ is a over 25. |
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