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Message started by Slowlane on 12/23/20 at 09:00:49

Title: I'm not making this up
Post by Slowlane on 12/23/20 at 09:00:49

3 1/2 weeks ago I bought a 2009 S40 Calif with 938 miles. The second original owner bought it in 2009 with 550 miles. That math is 388 miles in 11 years.
Installed new Raptor Petcock. Twice done a thorough cleaning of the OEM carb. Installed a new bowl valve seat and float needle. Drilled out the welch plug. Plugged up the return hose (the one wrapped in wire that goes from the carb right side to the back of the OEM petcock. Brand new Yusua battery.
It was pretty gummed up and the throttle was froze but I got it running (thanks to this board). However it runs like a slug. 53mph top speed, hardley any acceleration. Probably running rich the air/fuel screw makes little difference. Awaiting a brand new Murry carburator (hopefully today).

Title: Re: I'm not making this up
Post by hotrod on 12/23/20 at 11:23:26

$ 343.00 is a lot for one carb. A Mikuni 36 or 38 mm carb would cost less than half that, and there is plenty of information on this site to help with adjusting it. it. I've been working on bikes for over 40 years and have never heard of a Murray carb.

Title: Re: I'm not making this up
Post by Gary_in_NJ on 12/23/20 at 12:09:00

So here is the problem.

You didn't isolate the problem to be the carb. Then you went and bought a carb that, as far as I know, has not been integrated onto a Savage.

So when you install the Murray onto the bike, and you have a continuation of the current issue - or new issues - is it the bike...or is it the carb? Who knows.

I'm all for experimenting, but you have to address the existing issues before you introduce new potential issues.

So, if you are certain that the OEM carb was working correctly, yet you had issues with power, the next logical step is a leak down test to see if you have an issue with the valves, rings or piston.

Hap-hazzardly swapping parts is a recipe for never solving the original problem.

Title: Re: I'm not making this up
Post by ohiomoto on 12/23/20 at 17:03:14

What is this welch plug that you drilled out?

I'm with Gary. Swapping parts will only get you a different carb that you'll have to figure out how to tune, because it's unlikely it will be setup for the S40.

The real deal is this bike should run perfectly fine with a stock carb. I would focus on finishing the rehab on what you have or replacing it with a stock carb.

Title: Re: I'm not making this up
Post by Slowlane on 12/23/20 at 22:13:06

Got the Murry carb in today and installed it tonight. It ran fantastic! Got a hitch in the throttle but it's probably the routing. Been working on this bike for 3 1/2 weeks and know that OEM carb like a relative. If I had to do it again I would.

Title: Re: I'm not making this up
Post by Slowlane on 12/23/20 at 22:17:17

The Welch plug is the copper factory plug covering the air/fuel screw.

Title: Re: I'm not making this up
Post by Serowbot on 12/24/20 at 07:35:28

I Googled it,...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_plug

A Welch plug is a freeze plug.
Learn sumtin' new every day... 8-)

Title: Re: I'm not making this up
Post by Gary_in_NJ on 12/24/20 at 08:27:17

4C5A4D50485D504B3F0 wrote:
I Googled it,...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_plug

A Welch plug is a freeze plug.
Learn sumtin' new every day... 8-)

I've always heard that term applied to the freeze out plugs on the side of an engine block. I think the cap on a carb is more of an EPA deterrence device.

Title: Re: I'm not making this up
Post by Dave on 12/24/20 at 14:24:44

The idle fuel/air screw has no affect on how the bike runs.....except at idle.

And on the Savage - you cannot adjust the mixture unless you slow the idle speed down around 800rpm. At the suggested 1,100 rpm idle speed the slide is starting to lift and the fuel coming in the jet needle prevents you from being able to properly adjust the screw.

Title: Re: I'm not making this up
Post by niceast on 12/24/20 at 17:50:51

I had the same problem

bought a motorcycle that sat for 6+ years.

bought new battery and throttle grips. did a carb rebuilt and it wouldn't acceleration pass ~50 mph. Felt like the bike would push and pull at certain rpms.

I did remember I once turn the air-fuel mixture screw 4 turns (not recommended) but it ran like normal. What this did was kept the pilot circuit open feeding more fuel but after a week of riding the fuel overfilled into the oil pan. Did a quick oil drain and opened up the main jet to allow for more fuel. (after testing all parts of the carburetor were functioning, and spark plug condition, etc)

Drill the main jet to 1/16". runs like a champ.

Title: Re: I'm not making this up
Post by Gary_in_NJ on 12/24/20 at 19:36:56

The above is not recommended.

Title: Re: I'm not making this up
Post by Slowlane on 12/25/20 at 08:32:34

Removing/cleaning/replacing this carb twice on a bike with 938 miles on it got me to the point of desperation and frustration. I'm 73, Viet vet, survived 2 cases of cancer, lost my wife of 50 years. I've been riding since I was 12. Never have I ever had to worship a carburatior like this. This board has helped with encouragement, knowledge, Pictures and many miles of input. Youtube was also a irreplaceable help. I'm not rich but if a pro says he has a plug-and-play carb that will work.....I'm gonna try it.

Title: Re: I'm not making this up
Post by hotrod on 12/25/20 at 11:00:13

We welcome you here and thank you for your military service. Happy to hear of your progress with the Savage. :) :)

Title: Re: I'm not making this up
Post by ohiomoto on 12/25/20 at 14:35:39

605F5C445F525D56330 wrote:

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That's awesome. More details about the Murry carb please.

Where did you get it and who set it up for the LS650?

Any links?

EDIT: I found the carb.

https://murrayscarbs.com/product/suzuki-boulevard-s40-savage-mikuni-carb-kit-vm36-36mm/

Title: Re: I'm not making this up
Post by Slowlane on 12/25/20 at 16:21:00

So far it runs like a bat outta......But it's got a problem with the throttle cable length that Murry has been helping me with step-by-step on Christmas and Christmas eve.

Title: Re: I'm not making this up
Post by zipidachimp on 12/27/20 at 01:07:32

A Mikuni sold by 'murray' is a Mikuni, as a Mikuni sold by Lancer is a Mikuni. Thought you were on to something new.
I'd be curious as to what jets your original carb had.
Cheers! 8-)

Title: Re: I'm not making this up
Post by Jdvt600 on 12/27/20 at 15:53:46

For everyone's "SA", Murray carbs are frequently recommended by members of the Suzuki Savage Int'l group on FB.

Title: Re: I'm not making this up
Post by Slowlane on 12/28/20 at 14:38:30

The stock jets 2009 S40 Calif. What did I miss?

Title: Re: I'm not making this up
Post by Slowlane on 12/28/20 at 14:40:05

The stock jets 2009 S40 Calif. What did I miss?
http://https://i.postimg.cc/Z5NjN4bJ/Suzuki-OEM-carb-1586-23.jpg (https://postimg.cc/MnWy2kfL)

Title: Re: I'm not making this up
Post by Gary_in_NJ on 12/28/20 at 15:23:10

I don’t remember the Main having a washer under it.

Title: Re: I'm not making this up
Post by verslagen1 on 12/28/20 at 15:52:50

2B21252F242D29207E787C4C0 wrote:

I don’t remember the Main having a washer under it.

If you don't have a washer under the main, it can be sucked up or follow the needle when it goes up, yielding poor performance.

Title: Re: I'm not making this up
Post by Slowlane on 12/28/20 at 16:04:51

I did everything I read to make this carb work. Even cleaned it twice. Still ran like crap. 2009 S40 stock

Title: Re: I'm not making this up
Post by ohiomoto on 12/29/20 at 02:55:20

The stock carb still has a restricted passageway or the slide wasn't functioning properly. I wouldn't have done the white spacer mod until I had it functioning properly, but that wouldn't have made much of a difference anyway.

The carb you got from Murray's was obviously prejetted for the LS650 so you're good to go.

Title: Re: I'm not making this up
Post by Dave on 12/29/20 at 03:43:05

There should be a spring on the needle jet.....and the spring should go under the circlip and have a small washer on top, and the spacer should go on top.

The spring pushes the needle up against the white spacer (or the #3 machine screw washers if you used them to replace the spacer....3 are recommended as a start in the jetting process). If you mistakenly put the spacer underneath and the spring on top the bike won't run well.

http://https://www.bikepics.com/pics/2007/10/24/bikepics-1065897-800.jpg (https://www.bikepics.com/pics/2007/10/24/bikepics-1065897-800.jpg)

Title: Re: I'm not making this up
Post by Slowlane on 12/29/20 at 08:24:50

http://[img]https://i.postimg.cc/1XyW8ccD/Suzuki-OEM-carb-1586-19.jpg (https://postimg.cc/5Yk5Gzrt)[/img]Quote " If you mistakenly put the spacer underneath and the spring on top the bike won't run well."

I well remember that the spacer sat right on top of the c-clip... and then the spring.....no tiny washer under the c-clip...just spacer, c-clip, spring.

I could not figure out how to get the needle jet out! So I sprayed it with carb cleaner and soaked it in the one gallon carb cleaner. It was a wrestling match to get the float jet out....had to destroy it with vice grips.