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Message started by eau de sauvage on 10/21/20 at 14:44:35

Title: Voter suppression in Texas
Post by eau de sauvage on 10/21/20 at 14:44:35

How is this not voter suppression...

Texas’s Republican governor, with the elastic scruples of his party, has ordered (this is being litigated) that each of the state’s 254 counties shall have only one drop-off site for absentee ballots — one for Loving County (population 169), one for Harris County (Houston, population 4.7 million, 70 percent non-White), one for Brewster County, whose size (6,192.3 square miles) could hold Connecticut with room remaining for more than half of Rhode Island.https://www.vox.com/2020/10/10/21506522/texas-drop-off-ballot-locations-abbott-harris-county

One ballot box for 169 people. One ballot box for 4,700,000 people.

Title: Re: Voter suppression in Texas
Post by verslagen1 on 10/22/20 at 07:29:59

You do understand that it's a mail in ballot.
How many mail boxes are there?

Title: Re: Voter suppression in Texas
Post by Eegore on 10/22/20 at 07:41:46

Yeah those ballots can go in any mailbox in the State.

Title: Re: Voter suppression in Texas
Post by verslagen1 on 10/22/20 at 08:31:36

Texas has those right?

Perhaps they don't want to assign guards for each one.

Title: Re: Voter suppression in Texas
Post by eau de sauvage on 10/22/20 at 12:57:30

@Eegore, I'm surprised that you bought into this one, you're a bit smarter than that, see my answer below.

@verslagen, You do understand that the President has been waging a "mail fraud" campaign for months? You do understand that De Joy has already dismantled 600 hi speed sorting machines? You do understand that the Republicans are fighting tooth and nail in the courts at this very moment to try and overturn the ability to count ballots postmarked by election day up to three days after?

You do understand of course that people who want to make sure their vote counts and do not want to vote in person will naturally want to drop their mail into an official postal box so that it is counted on the night?

You do understand all this don't you?

This is obvious by the fact that they put one in a town with 169 people or in fact that they even use them at all. This is voter suppression, scare people into fearing their vote won't count if mailed via usps, but then make the official ballot drop boxes hard to get to.

Title: Re: Voter suppression in Texas
Post by Eegore on 10/22/20 at 13:31:15

This is obvious by the fact that they put one in a town with 169 people or in fact that they even use them at all. This is voter suppression, scare people into fearing their vote won't count if mailed via usps, but then make the official ballot drop boxes hard to get to.

That doesn't qualify for voter "suppression" to me. The voter still has options they are choosing to not utilize.

The voter can still mail their vote in if they choose. If they are "scared" of the USPS not handling their vote correctly because of bad journalism, then that is on them for choosing news sources that are giving them garbage news.

If you choose not to mail your vote, and choose not to spend the time getting to the one official box, and choose not to go vote in person, then your vote won't be counted.

Title: Re: Voter suppression in Texas
Post by Serowbot on 10/22/20 at 13:48:23

At least Trump is out there publicly assuring us all that he will do his best to hinder and suppress the vote.
8-)

Title: Re: Voter suppression in Texas
Post by eau de sauvage on 10/22/20 at 15:12:46

0B2B29213C2B4E0 wrote:

That doesn't qualify for voter "suppression" to me. The voter still has options they are choosing to not utilize.

If someone wants to be sure their vote is counted then they are better served by dropping their vote into a ballot box rather than a mail box. The salient point is not that 'that's their problem is they believe the president means what he says'.

No the question that I'd like you to address, is why should the courts stop the legislature from drastically reducing the ability to vote via ballot box. And also that this reduction disproportionately affects people who are less likely to vote for Republicans, is in fact 'vote suppression'.

Title: Re: Voter suppression in Texas
Post by eau de sauvage on 10/23/20 at 20:36:59

Eegore,

It would appear that the appeals court does not agree with you as per Friday's latest ruling ...

An appeals court in the US state of Texas ruled Friday that Governor Greg Abbott cannot limit drop-off sites for mail-in ballots to one per county, in what could be a setback for United States President Donald Trump.

Upholding a lower court decision, the Texas Third Court of Appeals ruled that limiting the number of drop boxes would increase the risk that voters could be infected with COVID-19 and would infringe on their right to vote.

Title: Re: Voter suppression in Texas
Post by Eegore on 10/24/20 at 01:58:24

Upholding a lower court decision, the Texas Third Court of Appeals ruled that limiting the number of drop boxes would increase the risk that voters could be infected with COVID-19 and would infringe on their right to vote.

I don't agree. I think it increases their chances of infection, but their ability to vote remains unchanged.

Title: Re: Voter suppression in Texas
Post by eau de sauvage on 10/24/20 at 03:56:18

but their ability to vote remains unchanged.

I'm not sure if you're joking or you're serious. I'll play it with a straight bat. You are confusing 'ability' to vote with 'right' to vote. Implicit in one's right to vote it that there should not be undue obstacles. The court, hearing the full argument obviously saw that limiting a single drop box was exactly what it was meant to be, an obstacle for no purpose other than to obstruct the right to vote. You yourself say it would increase the chance of infection, and that is a fear based obstacle. Curious that you, who are usually so pedantic with words, would replace 'right' with 'ability'.

Title: Re: Voter suppression in Texas
Post by verslagen1 on 10/24/20 at 09:32:13

right to vote = you're given a ballot.

ability to vote = go to a voting center, mark your ballot and drop it off at a voting center, or drop it in a drop box, or give it to the mail man.
if you do not trust the mail man, track it, online tools are available to determine if the voting center got your ballot.

it's pretty simple, even a subject of another country locked away in a basement should be able to understand.

Title: Re: Voter suppression in Texas
Post by Serowbot on 10/24/20 at 09:47:12

Trump saying mail-in voting is risky and corrupt for a year now,.. then telling white supremacists to stand down and stand by,. then calling on supporters to man voting places and watch for shenanigans...
Then,. the lawsuits... all to suppress votes.
ID's,,. remove drop boxes, pull out sorting machines, reduce voting places, rumours of mail box thieves,... on and on...

Sure,... nothing going on here...
No vote suppression here...
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9 days....

Title: Re: Voter suppression in Texas
Post by eau de sauvage on 10/24/20 at 14:21:13

right to vote = you're given a ballot.

lol. You should run that past your autocratic piss weak strongman president, I'm sure he'd go with that if that's the actual legal definition of a 'right'.

No my friend a right to do something does not include hoops to jump through like risking your life. Or even travelling unduly large distances. In fact the was the same reasoning used in the recent supreme court stopping Texas from forcing admitting privileges on to abortion clinics.

UPDATE: Supreme Court of Texas, stays the order again while they consider arguments already given. Final ruling due on Monday....

https://www.axios.com/texas-supreme-court-stays-order-limits-ballot-drop-off-sites-0db3327a-c7cb-42d2-b285-64d59d91b43f.html

Clearly the Republican plan is to create as much chaos and confusion at every level of voting then dispute everything. It will not work.

Title: Re: Voter suppression in Texas
Post by eau de sauvage on 10/24/20 at 14:31:56

The Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruled unanimously on Friday that election officials cannot reject a mailed-in ballot because a voter’s signature may not resemble the one on their registration form.

Not everyone is going to stand for this nonsense.

Remember whoever wins this at the congressional level will get to redraw the apportionment boundaries for the next 10 years after the census is in. this is why the Reupublicans are scrambling like cockroaches when you come down late at night and turn the kitchen lights on.

This is going to be by far the largest voter turnout in well over 100 years, the complete opposite of what the Republicans want. This is the irony of their actions.

And more irony is the the SCOTUS has time and again approved Repbulican Gerrymandering saying it is fully within their rights. So I'm sure that if the Democrats increase their congressional representation they will take that very much to heart when re apportionment comes up.