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Title: Stop... Post by Serowbot on 10/16/20 at 07:50:47 Just stop You risk losing your sandbox Serow |
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Title: Re: Stop... Post by Eegore on 10/16/20 at 11:24:14 This again. We have to remember that our actions on here are not our fault. I am not to be held responsible for what I type. Somebody else said something I don't like so now I am not to be held accountable. I must defend my opinions by talking down and insulting others because they did it first. Also since the enforcement is not absolutely equal I am not to be held accountable for what I type. Somebody else did it First, Worst, and More, so I get a free pass. Works everywhere else in life right? I never get speeding tickets if I prove other drivers speed more, faster, and didn't get pulled over. How many times do we need to be reminded? At this point it should be obvious that some people are not ever going to adhere to the requested standard once they see words they don't like. We will get the "unfair enforcement" argument, as if a private forum somehow requires it, or the "he did it first" or "he did it more" argument, as if someone else saying something removes our ability to control what we type... from a keyboard miles away. |
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Title: Re: Stop... Post by WebsterMark on 10/16/20 at 11:26:47 I said nothing, my forum account was hacked..... |
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Title: Re: Stop... Post by eau de sauvage on 10/16/20 at 15:41:22 You guys beg for donations to your forum (which I had donated to in the past before I realised what I was supporting) but you allow this putrid racist part of the S40 site to live here. It's a fcuking embarrassment that you don't care about the people who would innocently wade into this nuts. What is the point of it, there' just half a dozen bigot who just post links to right wing nut job sites and rehash Trumps twitter feed, it got crazy since they all came out of the woodwork. How bad is it? I bought a jet for the Suzuki off one of the racists who post here before I was aware of anything and it came with a gratuitous racist rant. You people are weird. |
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Title: Re: Stop... Post by Eegore on 10/16/20 at 15:55:30 which I had donated to in the past before I realised what I was supporting You are supporting it, just not through direct funds. Your traffic and posting brings in Ad revenue. To be fair I have seen your assessment of what type of statements are racist and they do not meet my definition consistently. For that matter being racist isn't illegal where I am so I rarely concern myself with it regarding hobbies or optional activities like logging gin and reading the posts here. |
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Title: Re: Stop... Post by eau de sauvage on 10/16/20 at 15:56:07 5F7F7D75687F1A0 wrote:
Yep, we went through all this years ago nothing has changed. There's a group of six who talk shite and want to engage in name calling, so we either put up with that and then everything is fine, or if they get it shoved back into their collective faces then it's a problem. The problem is that the moderators can't decide what to do, either stop all name calling like a normal adult forum or allow it to go unchecked. Make up your friggen minds. The solution to not just this problem but to the problem that it causes this site as a whole is to simply ban ALL name calling permanently or ban the posters. You need to draw a line and stick to it. Problem would be solved quick smart because there's so few posters. Do you think this pathetic part of the site adds any acutual value? You can tell it doesn't because it doesn't attract anyone to post other that the few who mess it up. |
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Title: Re: Stop... Post by Eegore on 10/16/20 at 16:07:48 Do you think this pathetic part of the site adds any acutual value? It does for me. As for the name-calling I say we are all adults and we shouldn't be moderated at all. This of course will deteriorate the content to mostly trading insults along with copy/paste of internet articles that are only correct to the person who posted it. If we want to maintain a standard it is obvious that it can not be done without the removal of certain people if even for a short period of time. I for one am fine with being banned for a week if I blatantly insult a member, then a month, then forever. If we want to have an adult conversation standard for a limited time, that will go back to insults, then complaints about how those insults were addressed, then we just do what we are doing now. I for one would be interested in how many people would be ok with every word they have typed here being printed and read aloud at their church/work or to their kids/grandchildren. |
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Title: Re: Stop... Post by MnSpring on 10/16/20 at 17:33:30 4C6C6E667B6C090 wrote:
Work: 100% Church: My words, read to those people, probably 5% Not. But this place does not contain people that I went to Church with. So the, ‘Church’, filter, does not apply. Kids: I don’t have any kids. Have Nieces & Nephews. Would not speak about 5% that way in front of them. Again this place does not contain my or someone else's Nieces & Nephews. So the, ‘Niece/Nephew’ filter, does not apply. We all, speak differently depending upon the audience. And ‘More Holy Than Thou’, manifestos do not make any difference. This audience is adults. This site is Private so it can make any rule it wants. And it can ALSO, decide to enforce the, ‘rules’, (that are supposedly for everybody), Any Way They Want ! And RAY CHARLES COULD SEE, that, inforcment, depends totally, on the color of one’s nose, and the length of their tongue. Oh, the word, ‘Drongo’ is NOT, offensive to E.D.S. ... Drongo is almost a term of endearment.... As eau de sauvage wrote on 10/12/20 at 02:33:49: And of course I, PUBLICLY, have had my hands slapped, because I said someones mouth is only good for one thing. While several of the tt clones, have said the POTUS sucks ….. So, EDS gets, ‘Drongo’, and will keep on saying it, because, HE HAS SAID, it is a term of endearment. And will no longer say a newly elected DFI Senator’s mouth, is only good for one thing ! |
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Title: Re: Stop... Post by MnSpring on 10/16/20 at 17:48:00 50425655424446230 wrote:
Have asked this before, Who is, "WE" ??? |
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Title: Re: Stop... Post by eau de sauvage on 10/16/20 at 18:50:45 Who is WE Duh. The people who participate in this forum. Oh, the word, ‘Drongo’ is NOT, offensive to E.D.S. Once again you seem to deliberately not understand. I do not take any offence at whatever language anyone uses. The point is not offence the point is, is ad hominem language and personal attacks are they alright or not. The early internet always struggled with this, most adult forums that have political sections understand that personal attacks no matter how benign will always lead to not just escalation but people controlling the forum. 'Drongo' while being puerile and down right silly, is specifically designed to be a personal attack that will fly under the radar. This happened years ago here, Mn, JoG, Webster and the like would not get answered back, then, like JoG yesterday when you finally give it back they whinge and moan foam at the mouth and then Serowbot starts a thread just like this. This is why the only way that this stops is the simple rule that NO PERSONAL ATTACKS tolerated. If someone alerts a mod to that, the post is deleted and in very short order it will cease. Serowbot says he doesn't want to police the forum. Fine, then expect Mn, JoG, Webster, Srinath and the like to continue personal attacks and you can expect that they'll get it back. Make up your frikken mind. Just don't allow personal attacks OF ANY KIND, it'd doesn't have to be not acceptable in church, just personal attacks. It's pointless and leads nowhere. But unless it's all in, then it doesn't work. |
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Title: Re: Stop... Post by eau de sauvage on 10/16/20 at 18:59:49 @Serowbot, basically you are saying "such and such is not acceptable behaviour". OK, and what? You know who is going to ignore that completely. Then what. As long as half a dozen people are allowed to abuse with personal attacks and as long as the people they do this to, do not respond, then what? You're fine with that. Sure that works but not for me. And not for any readers, and not for any so called political discussion. If you know what you do not want on the forum, make a rule. Or what? Or you ban people first for one week then one months. I've seen forums where they clearly state there are no personal attacks allowed and they don't have time to fcuk around, people will be banned without warning and they are not open to any whinging. They do this people people are sick and tired of this. If you don't want to simply make some rules and enforce them then WTF do you even bother to tell people to stop this crap? Especially when you know it won't stop, without some rules. Is this just all a game you want to play. Is there some master plan |
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Title: Re: Stop... Post by MnSpring on 10/17/20 at 08:42:20 4A584C4F585E5C390 wrote:
How do, YOU, know this ? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Stop... Post by Serowbot on 10/17/20 at 09:13:42 It was the best of times, it was the worst of times... I moderate too much, I moderate too little. It's all about balance. ;D |
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Title: Re: Stop... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/17/20 at 11:58:38 2F392E332B3E33285C0 wrote:
Said Rowboat Wallenda.. |
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Title: Re: Stop... Post by WebsterMark on 10/17/20 at 14:34:51 Didn’t he fall? |
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Title: Re: Stop... Post by eau de sauvage on 10/17/20 at 15:22:21 7066716C74616C77030 wrote:
It's only about 'balance' because there are no enforced rules, which means there are only arbitrary rules, which means you are in an impossible position. So the balance is 'when does personal attacks cross the line'. This is an idiotic position to have to be in, when it can be ended by simply having a no personal attack rule that works on other normal motorcycle forums. So the question is Serowbot, why won't Suzukisavage.com make a clear 'no personal abuse/attack rule? It can only be that someone who owns the forum doesn't want to do that, because let's face it the right wing nut job posters couldn't operate without the component of abuse. Why do you go along with this, who is responsible for this policy? And more to the point why does this site beg for donations with such an extreme abusive policy. |
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Title: Re: Stop... Post by MnSpring on 10/17/20 at 15:35:07 50425655424446230 wrote:
I haven’t been hear nearly as long as some. Yet I remember a occasional, ‘dig’. However it was a poster named, ‘tt’, that set this part of the forum on it’s ear. For it was the, ‘tt’, that started calling, Everyone names, because they did not agree, lock step, with the tt. And the, ‘tt’, was clearly a DFI, UL FDS Socialist. So, I would say, from the Experience that I have SEEN, that it was a UL, FDS, DFI, Socialist, (and his clones) that started the degradation. |
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Title: Re: Stop... Post by verslagen1 on 10/17/20 at 17:12:29 50425655424446230 wrote:
Abuse you say?... right. |
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Title: Re: Stop... Post by eau de sauvage on 10/17/20 at 17:18:28 @v, are you labelling yourself personally a 'right wing nut job poster'? If you are then that is your choice. that' post was not directed at anyone i particular, also it's referring to right wing nut job site, and the people who post links to them. But see my reply to mn below. Do you have a particular problem or reason for not elininating ALL personal abuse? @mn, why even talk about other people. We did all this years ago. Why do you have a problem with eliminating ALL personal abuse? Please explain what the problem is. We can draw a line under it, it's sooo easy. My guess is that without abuse to fall back on you don't have anything. Is this correct? |
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Title: Re: Stop... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/17/20 at 17:20:01 Other, normal, motorcycle forums Operate better? Why be here? Go to those places where it's done Right. You say you know of places where things are done in a manner you agree with, but it looks like you virtually live here. That's kinda confusing,, you know about better places, but you're always here.. That's not easy to understand Because it doesn't make sense. |
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Title: Re: Stop... Post by Eegore on 10/17/20 at 19:34:15 Well it's obviously TT's fault that I can't be civil to others on here because he started it. I am not responsible for what I type because someone else said something I do not like. They started it, I am no longer accountable. "So the question is Serowbot, why won't Suzukisavage.com make a clear 'no personal abuse/attack rule?" This is a good question. Unless the current system of just repeating the complaint cycle over and over is acceptable, then we just keep doing what we are doing. Decades from now we can always just blame TT if we don't like that nothing changed. |
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Title: Re: Stop... Post by eau de sauvage on 10/17/20 at 22:34:39 Other, normal, motorcycle forums Operate better? Why be here? Ah yes another version of 'if you don't like it fcuk off'. Verslaggen just tried that. The question is why do you have a problem with having a conversation that does not involve personal abuse. There's no point rehashing all what we went through. Either there is a rule that no personal abuse of any kind will be tolerated, or there isn't. It cannot be a grey area. I understand why you JoG don't want this rule to be brought in, because abuse is very much a part of your rhetorical strategy. Why are we even talking about this, it's frickin crazy. How easy is it to say "forget the past, that's passed, the new rule is no personal abuse at all will be tolerated" Then we're done. Give people one day bans till we all get used to it then we are golden. Why isn't this done like normal forums. And if the owner chooses to not do it, then why does Serowbot, make periodic requests to stop. As long as no one answers Webster, JoG and Mn back, then it's fine. But that doesn't really work for me. |
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Title: Re: Stop... Post by eau de sauvage on 10/17/20 at 23:19:21 @Serowbot. Here's some logic for you. It's obvious that there's not more than 10 regular users of this political forum, (for obvious reasons), so why not put it to a vote, that do we want a forum rule of no personal attacks at all, none, no grey areas. OR do we want it left as it is. Then you'll know where you stand, and we all will also know where you stand. Because if there's no rules then I can assure you that I may or I may not answer personal abuse with my own personal abuse. I'm not going to take Eegore's tack which is to simply accept it. So then my little Serowbot, is which way are you leaning. You see the problem is that little snowflakes like JoG, can dish it out, but give it back to them in spades and they go apoplectic then you step in with a thread like this one here. I mean I do appreciate the difficult this put's JoG, Mn, Webster etc in, it must be a terrifying prospect for them to have to engage without abuse, it's sort of like how Republicans are so fearful of Democracy. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/10/republicans-are-suddenly-afraid-democracy/616685/ or this They fear that if they stick to the rules, they will lose everything. Their behavior is a threat to democratic stability. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/20/opinion/republicans-democracy-play-dirty.html |
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Title: Re: Stop... Post by WebsterMark on 10/18/20 at 05:12:21 There’s a little something wrong with all of us at this table, but you’ve gone way off the deep end man. Give it a rest for a while. |
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Title: Re: Stop... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/18/20 at 07:37:31 I finally went back and looked . I did say drongo, but that was After you said it was a term of endearment.. So I was a bit shocked when your response was so angry. I didn't understand why you wouldn't be that way,, now, it seems drongo isn't so nice,, Hmm, how bout that? |
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Title: Re: Stop... Post by MnSpring on 10/18/20 at 08:25:56 0121232B3621440 wrote:
That statement, (I believe), sounds exactly like the statement made by, Thief's, Liars, Destroyers. When they have said, repeatedly, “…It is all the fault of that White Cop, because he subdued a Black Man …” And another quote: “… you get it back in spades…” I wonder why, now, looking for equality is so completely wrong. When someone to the, ‘Right', of center does it. Yet, it is perfectly OK when someone LEFT of center says it ? In fact the far left of center, is demanding it, And to get equality, (what the left, are lead to believe), they are willing, able, and preparing to CHEAT, on the most fundamental right, Citizens, have. |
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Title: Re: Stop... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/18/20 at 08:46:52 It's getting time to just let it go. Yeah, I used a word that I suspected wasn't nice, but we were TOLD it was virtually a term of endearment,, I saw Fukcwit and got pissed, and didn't read anything else,, clicked out, went other places, calmed down, came back, and was gonna delete it,, Too late,, seen and replied to.. I shouldn't have used the word, because I figured it wasn't nice, but eau SAID it was okay,, so I did it. Time to let it go.. |
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Title: Re: Stop... Post by MnSpring on 10/18/20 at 09:32:56 293630372A2D1C2C1C24363A71430 wrote:
Just a reminder, for the Drongo, that is demanding everybody plays like good little PC Socialists! And if you don't ? ' ... Well Cranky then, ya go to Heard Island, until you learn, Socialism is the way. ... ' "...eau SAID it was okay..." "...we were TOLD it was virtually a term of endearment..." |
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Title: Re: Stop... Post by Serowbot on 10/18/20 at 09:46:40 Mn,.. the title of this thread is "Stop"... Serow |
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Title: Re: Stop... Post by MnSpring on 10/18/20 at 16:06:03 67756162757371140 wrote:
Never said that, Putting words in someone else’s mouth, AGAIN, I see. (Who did you learn that from ?) Personal abuse of a member is not tolerated, is just fine. In FACT it is the current rule. Problem is, it's it is totally, Politically’ enforced ! Even though the, RULE, of no personal comment/attacks on Members, is the Rule. People like you can say, About OTHER MEMBERS; “...you're a fcuking brain dead moron unable to think or articulate a sensible thought…" “…this putrid racist - one of the racists who post here - right wing nut job poster - you're suck a fcuking idiot - You're the suckers and losers - You are also free to piss off - You're such a fcuking hypocrite - your idiotic links to your right wing nut job sites - half a dozen bigot who just post links to right wing nut job sites…” And on and on and on ... With TOTAL Impunity ! a Conservative person, posts the, ‘slightest’, bad comment. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE. Do NOT put words in someone else’s mouth ! Next, you are a Drongo. Well, unless you were LYING about the description of Drongo affecting/offending you ! Does the word, Drongo, offend/affect you ? |
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Title: Re: Stop... Post by Eegore on 10/18/20 at 18:11:49 "That statement, (I believe), sounds exactly like the statement made by, Thief's, Liars, Destroyers." Doesn't matter, this is about us on this forum. But you already established that if someone does something completely unrelated somewhere else in the world that means you can do it here. |
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