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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> Turn Signals Blinking too Fast and Horn Broken /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1602380737 Message started by d3adrock on 10/10/20 at 18:45:37 |
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Title: Turn Signals Blinking too Fast and Horn Broken Post by d3adrock on 10/10/20 at 18:45:37 Hi everyone, before judging me, please try and have some sympathy. I removed the front turn signals on my bike (because they're ugly and I hate them). I just snipped them at the wire. Unfortunately now the rear turn signals blink really fast, which doesn't bother me much, however the horn is also very weak sounding. What do you think the problem is and how do I fix it? Lend me your electrical wisdom o'forum! Thanks! |
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Title: Re: Turn Signals Blinking too Fast and Horn Broken Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/10/20 at 19:27:33 I removed the front turn signals on my bike (because they're ugly and I hate them). I just snipped them at the wire. Unfortunately now the rear turn signals blink really fast, And you want someone to tell you why it doesn't work right? Really? If you were asked that question, and given that set of facts to work from, what would your first guess be? Go pull one turn signal bulb out of the car. Observe.. Horn Weak After you cut wires,, Dang if I know.. Happened at the same time? Related? Probably.. |
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Title: Re: Turn Signals Blinking too Fast and Horn Broken Post by Ruttly on 10/10/20 at 19:35:30 The horns suck , get another , loud one , eBay , Amazon I got a Harley Dyna horn loud as hell , but costs way too much. |
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Title: Re: Turn Signals Blinking too Fast and Horn Broken Post by norm92de on 10/10/20 at 20:01:56 i must say this. You had a perfectly working motorcycle and decided to change that??? There is an answer somewhere. :'( |
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Title: Re: Turn Signals Blinking too Fast and Horn Broken Post by d3adrock on 10/10/20 at 21:30:43 47465B44101B4D4C290 wrote:
No, you absolutely didn't need to say this, since it in no ways helped. And yes, I had a working motorcycle, and I still do, just with a minor problem caused by changing something to suit my personal tastes, which thanks to all these helpfull replies I now fully understand how to fix (jk). And by the way, It's called modifying, perhaps you've heard of it? |
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Title: Re: Turn Signals Blinking too Fast and Horn Broken Post by d3adrock on 10/10/20 at 21:50:02 786761667B7C4D7D4D75676B20120 wrote:
What a clever and helpful reply! No way I couldve put those two things together! Obviously I know that removing the fronts changed the load on the electrical system which is why it's behaving as it is. Perhaps I didn't write clearly enough in the first post, so in that case to clarify, I would like and greatly appreciate any HELP in figuring out how to correct the issue presented to me by my removal of the front signals. Preferably without any of the additional judgments that invariably seem to follow whenever someone wants to remove turn signals. Now you may think it's stupid to like it without the front turn signals, and that's fine, you do what you want to your bike, I'll do what I want to mine. Additionally no one is in any way obligated to actually help me resolve my issue. However In the event that you are so uninclined to actually provide assistance or insight into my predicament, I kindly ask that you please refrain from expending your precious brainpower (and time) coming up with snide remarks to what was a very sincere question. Thanks for the replies |
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Title: Re: Turn Signals Blinking too Fast and Horn Broken Post by d3adrock on 10/10/20 at 21:53:45 557273736B7E070 wrote:
Thank you for your suggestion, I'm already running a non stock horn which up till my little change was plentiful loud for me. I also don't thing a different horn would have much effect since the problem originates with the electrical load, and not with the horn itself. |
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Title: Re: Turn Signals Blinking too Fast and Horn Broken Post by Dave on 10/11/20 at 04:00:21 The flasher for the turn signals is mechanical, and designed for the load imposed by 4 working bulbs that are around 23 watts each. When you snipped wires - you removed half the current load, and now the flasher doesn't get warm enough to flash properly. The following link is about the flasher replacement. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1598013732 The flasher is located under the fuel tank on the right side of the frame, and you can replace it with a solid state/electronic flasher and the normal flash rate will resume. And.......you really didn't need to cut wires - everything bolted onto the Savage has a connector you can unplug. The connectors for the turn signals are inside the headlight bucket and it only requires removing 2 screws to take the headlight out of the bucket. The horn and front running lights all get power from the same circuit - is it possible that one of your snipped wires is shorted out? http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1294779818 Those of us who have been riding for years, and years, and years (more than 50 years for me) - understand that riding motorcycles in inherently dangerous. It is common for folks to pull out in front of you, changes lanes when you are beside them, or turn in front of you. Removing the Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) equipment that is DOT approved and bright enough to be visible in daylight is not always a good idea. Removing the stock tail/brake light and installing something smaller and dimmer is dramatically increasing the chances you will be hit from behind. Removing turn signals is not legal in any state that I am aware of....installing tiny or dim units that are not easily visible is also increasing your risk. I have ridden behind motorcycles that have small turn signals and tail lights (some LED) - and in daylight and direct sunlight I could not tell when the lights were blinking - they certainly would not get the attention of a distracted soccer mom, texting teen or senile senior citizens. By not having functional turn signals in front you do increase your chances of being pulled over and ticketed by law enforcement officer who is not all that keen about motorcycles......or needs to get a few more tickets issued to meet his daily quota. |
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Title: Re: Turn Signals Blinking too Fast and Horn Broken Post by d3adrock on 10/11/20 at 08:07:44 5F64697E6F63787E656D607F0C0 wrote:
Thank you, that is genuinely helpfull. What I can't understand from looking at the wiring diagram is how the horn fits into all this? In the schematic It looks like everything is wired to everything else for some God forsaken reason. Can anyone see somewhere perhaps that could separate the horn from the turn signals that would allow it to get the proper power it needs? |
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Title: Re: Turn Signals Blinking too Fast and Horn Broken Post by zipidachimp on 10/11/20 at 23:38:23 Now I know why my hotrod S40 has horn and signal problems! Thanks Dave ! Cheers! 8-) |
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Title: Re: Turn Signals Blinking too Fast and Horn Broken Post by Mavigogun on 10/12/20 at 04:26:29 Much thanks to both Dave and the original poster- I learned stuff I had no clue about, and at the best time- before I needed to! 693E6C697F626E660D0 wrote:
You’ve answered the “how” already- it sounds like the horn is wired in series; I haven’t examined the schematic. As for ‘why’, I imagine doing so economizes both expense and space- fewer circuits, fuses, connectors. |
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Title: Re: Turn Signals Blinking too Fast and Horn Broken Post by ckahleer on 10/12/20 at 17:55:03 One thing that seems odd, is that removing the load of the front turn signals should make the rear signals stay on or blink very slowly, not faster. Could a wire you cut be shorted to ground or two wires be shorted together? |
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Title: Re: Turn Signals Blinking too Fast and Horn Broken Post by twhitus on 10/12/20 at 18:01:45 the bi metallic strip inside the relay does not heat up enough to stay open, so it kind of speeds up as a result. tbh if it were me i would still want turn signals but id hide them better. another member here posted a nice looking headlight that the signals in the side of the bezel. kept the clean look but still had the flashers. |
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Title: Re: Turn Signals Blinking too Fast and Horn Broken Post by badwolf on 10/12/20 at 18:52:10 Guys, I don't know where YOU live, but down here in Florida I want my turn signals to be SEEN ! A tiny light might look nice in the driveway or in a picture, but if folks don't notice them they will end up smashed and mangled with your blood on them! You might be able to say it was thier fault, but if they noticed your turn signal you might not have visited the hospital ( or worse! ) that day. Are you building a show bike that will never be ridden but looks great, or a bike that you will ride in the real world of drivers that are doing six other things on top of driving? Things that help other drivers see you are a GOOD thing. |
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Title: Re: Turn Signals Blinking too Fast and Horn Broken Post by ohiomoto on 10/12/20 at 20:27:09 5A584B554B495158504B390 wrote:
----------- Everyone is worried about lights. They play a part but movement is way more important. Riding straight down the road is the WORST thing you can do. The more you bob and weave the more you will be noticed. It's simple and effective. |
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Title: Re: Turn Signals Blinking too Fast and Horn Broken Post by d3adrock on 10/13/20 at 05:57:05 424A40494D444453210 wrote:
Don't think so, I tried separating all the wires and went over the harness to double check, but same thing with the weak horn I. I have a feeling that it has top do with how it's wired in series to everything else. As far as I can tell I have three options. Option 1 is to get some sort of solid state relay thingy, probably an led module to regulate my blinking, that might solve the horn issue. Option two might be to wire some resistors up to the wires where the lights were. (If anyone has any idea about what resistance I should use and how to wire it up let me know!). Option three is to rewire the horn or somehow disconnect it from being wired in series. I'd really appreciate it if we could keep the conversation focussed on the resolving of the issue at hand and not have it turn on into a moralizing tirade of well wishing safety guides. I run the rear signals. I think that's enough to keep me safe given the way I drive. Is it optimal? No, but I'm going to do it anyways because it makes me happy. Same principle to motorcycling in general really. I've found my balance. If you've all found yours and it's different to mine then good for you! Now let me figure out how to fix my horn so I'm not even more unsafe than I've chosen to be. Thanks! |
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Title: Re: Turn Signals Blinking too Fast and Horn Broken Post by BobH on 10/13/20 at 18:21:37 Pretty hard to diagnose without being there, seeing the connectors and wires, and taking a few measurements. The horn is not wired in series with anything. It may have some common feeds to multiple functions, but it is wired in parallel, not series. The horn does not use frame ground. The horn switch provides ground to complete the circuit. The horn connector always has 12v applied to it. My wild a$$ guess is that you might have a bad ground. The schematic I looked at is wrong. Here is a corrected version for a 2004: http://suzukisavage.com/yabb2.2/Attachments/2004WiringDiagpg1.jpg What I’m suggesting is that the grounds in the turn signal lamps may have provided a lower resistance to ground for the horn. |
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Title: Re: Turn Signals Blinking too Fast and Horn Broken Post by d3adrock on 10/13/20 at 19:07:57 756A6F6872606F070 wrote:
I think I understand. What would be the solution? Wire an extra ground to the horn from the frame? |
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Title: Re: Turn Signals Blinking too Fast and Horn Broken Post by eau de sauvage on 10/13/20 at 19:15:40 I haven't gone through the whole thread but I assume someone has mentioned changing the blinker fluid? |
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Title: Re: Turn Signals Blinking too Fast and Horn Broken Post by BobH on 10/13/20 at 19:46:42 2E792B2E382529214A0 wrote:
No. The horn switch provides ground to close the circuit. Wiring ground directly to the horn would have it blaring continuously. I would simply take the turn signal GROUND wires that you cut and connect them to the frame somewhere. If I'm right, that will provde a better ground to the horn switch. However, make sure you know what you're doing. Your suggestion to run a ground to the horn tells me you didn't quite understand my post and what the schematic depicts. If you aren't sure, find someone knowledgeable that you trust to do it right. No guarantees that is the solution, but without being there, that is my best guess. No harm to be done, IF YOU DO IT RIGHT! |
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Title: Re: Turn Signals Blinking too Fast and Horn Broken Post by BobH on 10/13/20 at 19:50:52 6E7C686B7C7A781D0 wrote:
Yes, blinker fluid was just changed with synthetic multi-viscosity. That will ensure the blinker duty-cycle will be a constant no matter what the weather. Good suggestion though! ;) |
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Title: Re: Turn Signals Blinking too Fast and Horn Broken Post by d3adrock on 10/14/20 at 06:21:11 7B6461667C6E61090 wrote:
No. The horn switch provides ground to close the circuit. Wiring ground directly to the horn would have it blaring continuously. I would simply take the turn signal GROUND wires that you cut and connect them to the frame somewhere. If I'm right, that will provde a better ground to the horn switch. However, make sure you know what you're doing. Your suggestion to run a ground to the horn tells me you didn't quite understand my post and what the schematic depicts. If you aren't sure, find someone knowledgeable that you trust to do it right. No guarantees that is the solution, but without being there, that is my best guess. No harm to be done, IF YOU DO IT RIGHT![/quote] You're completely right, I only barely understand the schematics or the electric principles. But I'm trying my best. |
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Title: Re: Turn Signals Blinking too Fast and Horn Broken Post by BobH on 10/14/20 at 06:50:53 Just make sure you positively identify the turn signal ground wire. Connecting any other wire that you cut will short power directly to ground - not good. Don't hesitate to get someone who knows their way around circuits to help you. Good luck! EDIT:BTW, this suggestion is only in regard to the horn. The problem with the blinkers is what others have indicated. |
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