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Title: Whining noise while engine braking. Post by ImJeff on 09/25/20 at 01:32:42 Hello forum, I'm a new rider whose first bike purchase was a very messed up 2003 suzuki savage. I love the bike, and through the help of a good friend, we've performed all basic maintenance and gotten the bike running again. The last thing I am having trouble diagnosing is a whine that comes from perhaps the transmission? Engine? While engine braking. I think that I hear the same noise when accelerating, however it is most prominent when engine braking from a high rpm, it can start as what sounds like a buzzing when coming down from a high rev, and turns in to a steady high pitched whine when I've decelerated to the bottom of the gear. The noise is not present when rolling at speed with the clutch engaged, or in neutral, which is pointing me to perhaps a gearbox issue? Or a worn bearing? Rather than a belt/sprocket whine. If this sounds like something to anyone, or if anyone could point me towards how I might go about diagnosing and subsequently fixing this issue please let me know. I would be happy to go and try to make recordings of the noise or provide more information/pictures if it would help. Thank you! |
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Title: Re: Whining noise while engine braking. Post by Dave on 09/25/20 at 03:34:20 A whine from the engine/transmission is normal....mine has been whining since I bought it. Check your belt tension and make sure it is not too tight....you should be able to twist it 90 degrees with your finger and thumb at the mid point between the pulleys. Don't worry about the whine....it is likely normal and just gear noise. |
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Title: Re: Whining noise while engine braking. Post by Tocsik on 09/25/20 at 07:38:11 Lots of posts on the exact same topic on here. Use Google and: belt whining site:suzukisavage.com The "site:suzukisavage.com" will specifically search this forum and works better than the built-in search for many things. I had the same thing. Mine was both the belt adjusted too tight and a bit of rear pulley wobble. I try to run the belt a little loose, but shimming the rear pulley is what made all the difference in the world. |
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Title: Re: Whining noise while engine braking. Post by IslandRoad on 09/25/20 at 12:57:16 416960677572686972756A6971060 wrote:
My belt whines a bit on deceleration but not when rolling with the clutch in. It also occasionally 'chirps' on acceleration and declaration. Cleaning the belt, adjusting the tension, and setting the alignment of the rear wheel all helped ... mostly. I also sometimes put a small smear of bees wax on the edges of the belt. |
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Title: Re: Whining noise while engine braking. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/25/20 at 13:48:49 Look and make sure you dont have a passenger.. I noticed they whine a lot when I used to carry one occasionally.. |
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Title: Re: Whining noise while engine braking. Post by ohiomoto on 09/27/20 at 17:11:48 The gear whine on deceleration is normal for my 96. |
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Title: Re: Whining noise while engine braking. Post by Yoshi on 10/01/20 at 19:27:23 You said you bought the bike in bad condition right? Check to make sure your front sprocket is on tight Make sure the rear wheel is tight too Check if theres any wobble in the rear pulley |
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Title: Re: Whining noise while engine braking. Post by ohiomoto on 10/02/20 at 04:01:41 FYI there is a belt noise and there is lower end whine. They are different things. The OP clearly stated that they believe this is not a belt whine. The belt on my bike was noisy. The only thing that calmed that down was a slight adjustment to the rear wheel alignment. (Yes, I have the double bering mod.) The lower end whine on deceleration is still present. It has been there since I got my bike with 3500 miles on it. So it's "normal" for my bike until it gets worse. |
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Title: Re: Whining noise while engine braking. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/02/20 at 11:40:12 If youre trying to determine what is belt noise and what isnt, go to the store and buy some Gulf canning wax. Take a chunk and rake it across the belt, between front and rear pulleys. Get that area well dosed, roll the bike, do it more,, Then go for a ride,, Its messy,, cuz it slings wax on the wheel,, but youll soon know if its the belt, Of course,, starting with the Experienced Savage riders approach to belt adjustment,, Using a weak handed approach, twist the belt 1/2 way between the pulleys. You need to be able to get a 90 degree twist in it without working hard at all,, Tight is noisy,, Riding in the rain,, its Gonna be noisy Tomorrow,, |
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Title: Re: Whining noise while engine braking. Post by Dennisgb on 10/02/20 at 13:14:29 Can you still find canning wax? Man that makes me feel old [ch128514] |
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Title: Re: Whining noise while engine braking. Post by DragBikeMike on 10/02/20 at 13:59:28 Jeff, the belt whine is difficult to isolate from transmission whine. As you power up or decelerate the rear pulley can shift/skew right & left. That causes the sides of the belt to rub on the sides of the pulley. I think you should spring the $15 bucks (or thereabouts) and upgrade to the double-row bearing. It's a worthwhile improvement and certainly eliminates the belt voodoo. Also very easy to do. This old post gives you all the details. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1561964431 Good luck, Mike |
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Title: Re: Whining noise while engine braking. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/02/20 at 18:56:19 Jeff, the belt whine is difficult to isolate from transmission whine No,, Its not,, My post explains how,, |
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Title: Re: Whining noise while engine braking. Post by ImJeff on 10/09/20 at 00:49:24 Just as an update to whoever might see this, I ended up cleaning my belt and rubbing some beeswax on its sides, this took care of the majority of the noise and of the alarm I felt, though I'll probably still make some adjustments to the alignment after I replace the tires. I'm a noob rider so its still hard to distinguish between normal bike noise and problematic noise. At this point though I'm feeling pretty satisfied with things, it's an old bike, bought it neglected and not working for 700 bucks, the thing now runs fine and is fun as hell. Now if only the DMV's were more open with covid and I could get through the beurocracy and actually take it out of my neighborhood. That's a whole different kind of challenge. But anyway, thanks for all the input guys, super helpful stuff in this thread. |
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Title: Re: Whining noise while engine braking. Post by Serowbot on 10/09/20 at 09:49:34 Ahhhh, belt whine... The Savage mating call. ;D |
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