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Message started by Eegore on 04/15/20 at 07:08:25

Title: Trump orders WHO funding withdrawal
Post by Eegore on 04/15/20 at 07:08:25

"Today I am instructing my administration to halt funding of the World Health Organization while a review is conducted to assess the World Health Organization's role in severely mismanaging and covering up the spread of the coronavirus,"

So I have no issue with holding an organization accountable for mismanagement, but I do have issue with holding an organization accountable for things they do not manage, or have authority to manage, or legal bounds to do.

The WHO did offer to send teams into China in Jan. China refused. There is nothing the WHO can do about that.

Its like having a termite problem and the public health office says "Hey we can go send a team in to study and maybe kill those termites, maybe keep them from spreading to your neighbors."

You say "No. You have no rights to enter my home, or even my property. Termites don't travel like that anyway."

Months later termites are chewing down the whole block and the Mayor pulls funding from the public health office because they didn't force their way into your home.

Title: Re: Trump orders WHO funding withdrawal
Post by srinath on 04/15/20 at 08:24:21

The price for abject failure was sadly for far far far too long, increased funding.
At least now failure has negative consequences.
They're China's lap dogs. They could well get their funding from them.

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: Trump orders WHO funding withdrawal
Post by Eegore on 04/15/20 at 09:02:26

The WHO is not an enforcement agency.

Holding it accountable for not enforcing all of the nothing it is designed, or capable of enforcing does nothing more than blame them for not doing a job they can not do even if they wanted to. If the WHO withheld consultation, resources, reporting or availability of care then sure, hold them accountable.

This is like cutting your pay because you didn't stop the drug dealer down the road from selling drugs, after you called the cops on them. Then saying because you didn't stop the drug dealer, but only called the cops, and let the cops see all your video footage you took, you must be that drug dealers lapdog.

Title: Re: Trump orders WHO funding withdrawal
Post by srinath on 04/15/20 at 09:25:34

0121232B3621440 wrote:

Hmmm - convenient for you, but not quite. In your example Drug dealer = china, Me = Whistle blower, WHO = dispatcher and US/Trump is the Cop.

If my field is the field of lets say "drug dealing observation and compliance" and I didn't blow the whistle hard enough - Yes I deserve to have my pay cut or fired etc.

Here the drug dealer killed me and took away my whistle after I blew it a few times.

The dispatcher heard it and didn't tell Trump till well after I was dead.

Appropriate to call this collusion between drug dealer and dispatcher. They both need to be penalized, its a lot easier to penalize the one you're paying.

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: Trump orders WHO funding withdrawal
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/15/20 at 09:28:35

I dont know enough to have an opinion. I dont know what the world woulf look like without them, what theyve actually accomplished or whether any of their actions have been to favor china and leave us wanting,, Im simply not privy to data that would allow me to know..Maybe TRump is,, IDK

I AM all for slowing and eliminating shipping MUNNEEE out of America when its right..

Title: Re: Trump orders WHO funding withdrawal
Post by srinath on 04/15/20 at 09:37:06

JOG - Watch a few of the recent WHO videos, how they dodge the Taiwan question, how they claim China has stopped this - but wont tell the world how - etc etc. Its petty telling.

China plays by a entirely different set of rules. The WHO and all multinationals hoping to do business in China need to comply. We do not do that, essentially we now need to defund anything that is weaponized by china mainly because we're paying the bulk of the $$$ while they get their political agenda advanced.

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: Trump orders WHO funding withdrawal
Post by Eegore on 04/15/20 at 09:42:12

So what evidence is there that the WHO withheld information?

They literally tried to get into China and was denied, by China, and are now being held responsible for not being in China. They don't have that level of authority.

I'm not going to be unrealistic and expect Trump to take any responsibility, it will always be someone else that kept him from doing better, but to lay blame specifically for actions an agency is not legally allowed to do seems excessive.

If you don't like their performance fine, but to say they should have done things they can not do is not fine.

Title: Re: Trump orders WHO funding withdrawal
Post by srinath on 04/15/20 at 10:21:42

0121232B3621440 wrote:

So what evidence is there that the WHO withheld information?

They literally tried to get into China and was denied, by China, and are now being held responsible for not being in China. They don't have that level of authority.
I'm not going to be unrealistic and expect Trump to take any responsibility, it will always be someone else that kept him from doing better, but to lay blame specifically for actions an agency is not legally allowed to do seems excessive.

If you don't like their performance fine, but to say they should have done things they can not do is not fine.

You're right on that, but that instant was when to cut func=ding, Trump us just a couple months late. Worse yet was WHO's covering of China's stance on Taiwan, claiming China has done a stellar job without telling us what while dead bodies are cremated and handed to the family saying "died in an accident" or whatever.

Plenty reason to let china take care of its lapdog.

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: Trump orders WHO funding withdrawal
Post by Eegore on 04/15/20 at 11:01:58

"claiming China has done a stellar job without telling us what while dead bodies are cremated and handed to the family saying "died in an accident" or whatever."

So what investigative responsibilities does the WHO have in this matter?

They provide the data they have, but they very specifically lack an investigative team, and I think rightfully so since they are not an authority. If China is keeping this activity secret, or attempting to, what responsibility does the WHO have to develop an investigative team to infiltrate Chinese intelligence?

I say none. They are a medical wing if the UN and should work on medical things, provide resources and Intel regarding health and science. They report suspicious activity, but do not investigate, or enforce any health issue.

Title: Re: Trump orders WHO funding withdrawal
Post by srinath on 04/15/20 at 11:38:20

They've been kicked out of ground 0 of infection right. So they're useless at best and covering for china at worst. Let china pay their lapdogs. Don't be spectacularly incompetent-Corrupt at our expense.

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: Trump orders WHO funding withdrawal
Post by srinath on 04/15/20 at 15:23:11

Oh yea this shittete is getting far far too easy - Like fishing with dynamite.

Once again Injun chick creams the WHO this time -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIO95lfM3GE

This shitttet is getting routine - BTW that channel is funded by a bunch of Indian companies/news agencies, some of which have been screwed by Trump's policies. So no freaking way they are pro Trump - they're as neutral as can be - and worse yet, she hammers an Injun woman doctor on the WHO panel - Injun chick on Injun old lady violence - and sadly, WHO Doctor comes off like a total loser. They're not pro China - Injuns have a millenia long distrust there, but they're also truly as neutral as can be because Trump isn't popular cos he's squeezed Injuns out of a US chance - and worse yet, WHO has an Injun doctor - you'd think that would make them Pro WHO - well, maybe they are, but if the fail was this spectacular maybe this is the pro WHO version.

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: Trump orders WHO funding withdrawal
Post by WebsterMark on 04/15/20 at 16:16:21

The WHO takes political positions and they took a position with consequences.

Title: Re: Trump orders WHO funding withdrawal
Post by Eegore on 04/15/20 at 16:36:29

The WHO was denied access to patient's. Question 1 in the video says the WHO should not have taken China's word.

No problem there. But how do they get in and prove China wrong? The source material they reference in the video is the World Socialist Website. So don't believe China on day 13, but believe a Chinese website on day 15.

"I want to stress on this the WHO declared a pandemic 57 days after the first cases were reported outside China."

Good question, but back in 2010 WHO released the Pandemic Phase Descriptions and Main Actions by Phase. They obviously didn't compare action phase to main action before asking this question. It is a good a good question though.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK143061/

I understand the question about not mentioning "SARS" but to ask why the official naming convention won't name the city or Country is weird since no strain is named officially by either of those terms.

Otherwise I'd say the critique has some good points. I do not think asking the WHO why they didn't conduct investigations, infiltrate areas they are told to stay out of, or go against their documented action plans is appropriate.

If you want to remove funding do it for reasons within an organization's control.

Title: Re: Trump orders WHO funding withdrawal
Post by eau de sauvage on 04/15/20 at 17:35:13

@Eegore,

For sure the WHO needs to be held accountable for their early praise of China, and that is a valid criticism. However Trump's actions here are designed to 1. try and control the news cycle, which he cannot do, and 2. to try and deflect blame. After all he stated very clearly he takes no responsibility, therefore he has to blame anybody and everybody, it's what he does. It's what any clinical narcissist has to do when faced with the reality of their own idiocy.

But what is very weird is that he is harming the organisation whose job it is to coordinate responses to crises like this, and he's doing that purely out of his own narcissism.

Title: Re: Trump orders WHO funding withdrawal
Post by MnSpring on 04/15/20 at 18:08:26

4A6A68607D6A0F0 wrote:

"... This is like cutting your pay because ..."

And you think this:
A bank was robbed,
the robber used a Red car.
So Banning Red Cars,
will stop all Bank Robberies !
Is bad ????
LOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Title: Re: Trump orders WHO funding withdrawal
Post by MnSpring on 04/15/20 at 18:10:52

7454565E4354310 wrote:

"... the official naming convention won't name the city or Country is weird since no strain is named officially by either of those terms...."

What is the name of the, "Spanish Flu" ????????

Title: Re: Trump orders WHO funding withdrawal
Post by eau de sauvage on 04/15/20 at 18:21:04

As the pandemic reached epic proportions in the fall of 1918, it became commonly known as the “Spanish Flu” or the “Spanish Lady” in the United States and Europe. Many assumed this was because the sickness had originated on the Iberian Peninsula, but the nickname was actually the result of a widespread misunderstanding.

https://www.history.com/news/why-was-it-called-the-spanish-flu

Title: Re: Trump orders WHO funding withdrawal
Post by Eegore on 04/15/20 at 22:07:00

I didn't think it was necessary to clarify that Spanish Flu is H1N1-subtype influenza A as a generic because it precedes the WHO and thus would not have been subject to the naming conventions of an organization that didn't exist.

It wasn't even from Spain.

Title: Re: Trump orders WHO funding withdrawal
Post by srinath on 04/16/20 at 05:25:09

7D6F7B786F696B0E0 wrote:

That's not a link to a Trump speech I posted. Its A news article from India.
Good luck calling it a Trump Action.
Cool.
Srinath.