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Message started by justin_o_guy2 on 03/15/20 at 17:39:05

Title: Positive changes we might see.. corona..
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/15/20 at 17:39:05

Anything you see?
I'm seeing lots of
Work from home happening..
If it proves to be workable
Maybe it'll be permanent for some jobs.
How many cars would be eliminated from congested commutes?
Less gas, wasted hours, wrecks,  

Title: Re: Positive changes we might see.. corona..
Post by pg on 03/15/20 at 17:51:36

There might be a small silver lining; however, the economic carnage is unmeasurable.  

Best regards,

Title: Re: Positive changes we might see.. corona..
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/15/20 at 18:39:35

Not discounting the negatives..
Looking for the positive..
Like
Pharmaceuticals and military equipment for America
Made in America

Title: Re: Positive changes we might see.. corona..
Post by Matchless G11 on 03/16/20 at 03:09:38

Strangely I thing the home schooled kids have one up on the public school.

Title: Re: Positive changes we might see.. corona..
Post by WebsterMark on 03/16/20 at 05:01:19

Well you’re right about one thing and that’s for sure, the law of unintended consequences is going to come into play. Who knows what societal changes will become permanent. I do feel it’s possible more opportunities to work from home will come about. But I also guarantee employers will cut pay.

I’ve work from home for the better part of the last 25 years. It’s not as easy as it sounds. It requires a certain level of self-discipline. And there are certain jobs that may seem on the surface are suitable for doing outside the office but after a while you realize you need that constant communication that an office environment gives.

I’m not sure how this is all going to shake out but as you said there’s definitely going to be permanent changes.

But I’m also convinced this might be the very last time we face this. I’m fairly certain before long, the ability to identify a virus and immediately isolate the area is going to happen quickly. I also think there’s gonna be a big push on immunity health.

Title: Re: Positive changes we might see.. corona..
Post by srinath on 03/16/20 at 05:57:45


457770616677605F736079120 wrote:
Well you’re right about one thing and that’s for sure, the law of unintended consequences is going to come into play. Who knows what societal changes will become permanent. I do feel it’s possible more opportunities to work from home will come about. But I also guarantee employers will cut pay.
I’ve work from home for the better part of the last 25 years. It’s not as easy as it sounds. It requires a certain level of self-discipline. And there are certain jobs that may seem on the surface are suitable for doing outside the office but after a while you realize you need that constant communication that an office environment gives.

I’m not sure how this is all going to shake out but as you said there’s definitely going to be permanent changes.

But I’m also convinced this might be the very last time we face this. I’m fairly certain before long, the ability to identify a virus and immediately isolate the area is going to happen quickly. I also think there’s gonna be a big push on immunity health.



The work from home thing is already on in some fields, I've done most of my work form home for the last 20 yrs. Its got to the point on occasion where they would suggest you work from home and that would happen within the first week. This corona Virus and related quarantine has got that trend made more official and more almost company wide - any one that can work from home should, and when they see the world doesn't end, it will become so permanently. But interestingly I don't see a pay cut neccesarily, my current and previous employers have office space shortages and with the high real estate costs the idea has become a $$ saver. Also there may be a shift away from more $$$ cities like NYC and CA.
Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: Positive changes we might see.. corona..
Post by WebsterMark on 03/16/20 at 06:30:32

I'm saying employers will take the opportunity to boost margin by providing less space and will not pass that along in the form of salary. For new workers at home, they'll say the reduced salary is offset by less expense on the workers part. Transportation, clothes etc... business 101.

Title: Re: Positive changes we might see.. corona..
Post by srinath on 03/16/20 at 06:58:16


132126373021360925362F440 wrote:
I'm saying employers will take the opportunity to boost margin by providing less space and will not pass that along in the form of salary. For new workers at home, they'll say the reduced salary is offset by less expense on the workers part. Transportation, clothes etc... business 101.



Atleast in IT, The trend was in place even 10 yrs ago, of late it was reversing to where they were trying to get more people to an office atleast 3 days a week. But this may result in that reversal pretty much slowing to a crawl. However when they started the trend of working from home they didn't cut pay. However I may be already where the lower costs were reflected in the pay. I can see how they can say - work form home and not pay NYC wages by assigning them to Charlotte or something and you lose the higher pay you may have got from an on site requirement in NYC. So I don't know I left CA before remote was even possible.

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: Positive changes we might see.. corona..
Post by Serowbot on 03/16/20 at 09:35:47

Trump will lose the election... 8-)

Title: Re: Positive changes we might see.. corona..
Post by WebsterMark on 03/16/20 at 10:29:09

Because people died?

Title: Re: Positive changes we might see.. corona..
Post by Serowbot on 03/16/20 at 11:43:44

Yes,... people will die because of Trump's poor management..
He put Jared in charge of investigating the pandemic.
Makes you feel much safer, don't it?...

Report: Jared Kushner Is “Researching” the Coronavirus, Will Tell the Government What to Do Soon

Title: Re: Positive changes we might see.. corona..
Post by srinath on 03/16/20 at 11:50:08


6771667B63767B60140 wrote:
Yes,... people will die because of Trump's poor management..
He put Jared in charge of investigating the pandemic.
Makes you feel much safer, don't it?...
Report: Jared Kushner Is “Researching” the Coronavirus, Will Tell the Government What to Do Soon




Milk milk milk the V, gently down the stream.

No, feels like impending doom which we were too stupid to know because Hopey lied in a very very distinguished and polished fashion.

But really Bot, would you rather Trump investigated it ? Or Pence ? or Lindsay Graham ? How about Tiffany Trump, yea, lets make her investigate it. That's the best.

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: Positive changes we might see.. corona..
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/16/20 at 11:51:45


6F796E736B7E73681C0 wrote:
Trump will lose the election... 8-)


Yep, like last time.
I remember when you were right about Trump,
Exactly ZERO times..

Title: Re: Positive changes we might see.. corona..
Post by WebsterMark on 03/16/20 at 12:41:22


283E29342C39342F5B0 wrote:
Yes,... people will die because of Trump's poor management..
He put Jared in charge of investigating the pandemic.
Makes you feel much safer, don't it?...

Report: Jared Kushner Is “Researching” the Coronavirus, Will Tell the Government What to Do Soon


What did Trump mismanage that caused someone to die?

Title: Re: Positive changes we might see.. corona..
Post by srinath on 03/16/20 at 12:55:57


0A383F2E29382F103C2F365D0 wrote:
What did Trump mismanage that caused someone to die?




That Iranian General.
He should have sent them billions of dead presidents, discreetly left on a pallet in the runway. Not Kill him.
Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: Positive changes we might see.. corona..
Post by Serowbot on 03/16/20 at 12:56:59


724047565140576844574E250 wrote:
What did Trump mismanage that caused someone to die?

We were offered the same test as the rest of the world is using, and Trump refused it.
Our test was late,... then it was unreliable,... now, it's still being promised but not widely available.
Every day we fall behind,... means more hospital overcrowding to come... more dead.

You know as well as I,... Trump was purposely delaying testing to keep numbers down... (better for his re-election).  
Now, he'll have to answer for it.
He's engineered a fiasco.

I'm not happy about it.  He was going to lose anyway.
Trump cares about Trump.

Title: Re: Positive changes we might see.. corona..
Post by srinath on 03/16/20 at 13:01:29


392F38253D28253E4A0 wrote:
[quote author=724047565140576844574E250 link=1584319145/0#13 date=1584387682]

What did Trump mismanage that caused someone to die?

We were offered the same test as the rest of the world is using, and Trump refused it.Our test was late,... then it was unreliable,... now, it's still being promised but not widely available.
Every day we fall behind,... means more hospital overcrowding to come... more dead.

You know as well as I,... Trump was purposely delaying testing to keep numbers down... (better for his re-election).  
Now, he'll have to answer for it.
He's engineered a fiasco.

I'm not happy about it.  He was going to lose anyway.
Trump cares about Trump.
[/quote]


Woweee, That's working so well, Italy. UK and France etc etc, a country the size of North Carolina has 20X the deaths of the US, great example Bot. Just fantastic.
China sends it out and its hits those universal healthcare countries with the better WHO test the hardest ? when we have more alr travel and goods between US and china ? This is un freaking believable that you believe their system is superior and China didn't start it. Only a librull can conclude that.

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: Positive changes we might see.. corona..
Post by zevenenergie on 03/16/20 at 14:35:47

We have leaders who are as ignorant, stupid and lying as we are.

But fortunately,....death is super honest and life cuts through all illusion.

Truth is not the correspondence of words with facts.
It,s the silence in the heart.


Title: Re: Positive changes we might see.. corona..
Post by WebsterMark on 03/16/20 at 14:45:23

We were offered the same test as the rest of the world is using, and Trump refused it. You're going to have to show actual evidence of that. Never heard that. You're not one of those guys who thinks Trump owns stock in a different company making tests are you?.

Our test was late,... then it was unreliable,... now, it's still being promised but not widely available.
What I read was that the CDC's initial guidelines on who could be tested were responsible for confusion. They've since relaxed.

Every day we fall behind,... means more hospital overcrowding to come... more dead.
I've not seen any data that says the spread in the US is greater than other? Did you? Where? Not sure how anyone could say that at this stage.

You know as well as I,... Trump was purposely delaying testing to keep numbers down... (better for his re-election).  Trump was willing to kill thousands to get reelected? Is that what you're saying?

He was going to lose anyway. His likelihood of reelection was very high.

Title: Re: Positive changes we might see.. corona..
Post by WebsterMark on 03/16/20 at 14:53:24


584754474C474C4750454B47220 wrote:
We have leaders who are as ignorant, stupid and lying as we are.

But death is super honest and life cuts through all illusion.

Truth is not the correspondence of words with facts.
It,s the silence in the heart.


I'm not sure what exactly could have been done differently. Perhaps over ridden the advice of the CDC early on if in fact it's true they had strict guidelines on who could get tested.

I have a feeling if Trump had acted like Sew thinks he should have, and if he'd done that in early February for example, many would be screaming that Trump's a dictator. It's an absolute fact that if Hilary were President and did the exact same things as Trump, we all know the media would be widely praising her. That's an obvious fact.

It is a valid question to ask why did the world act one way with swine flu and another the covid19. I'm not positive. Was it the Trump TDS effect? I don't think so in the beginning. I think that's playing a big part now.

Title: Re: Positive changes we might see.. corona..
Post by srinath on 03/16/20 at 15:20:56

I don't see how any country is doing any better than we are. The ones with govt health care are the worst, the ones with such low exposure to china getting creamed all thanks to their "superior healthcare"

Gimme a break, this crap is worst every where else and they paid a lot of $$$ to get garbage like this.

Of course that makes perfect sense, you see these Harleys that break all the time that cost a lot of $$$ to fix, those are the most expensive to buy initially. Makes perfect sense in the world of govt run health care or communist run manufacturing industry.

Iran is getting creamed, isn't Iran hot all year, and isn't this virus going to fizzle out in the heat of summer here ? Italy, Norway, South Korea, France UK all socialized medicine all going to stop treating old people. Lets see this crap now fail spectacularly. It may fail for the US too, it just cost a lot less.

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: Positive changes we might see.. corona..
Post by Serowbot on 03/16/20 at 15:23:20


774542535445526D41524B200 wrote:
We were offered the same test as the rest of the world is using, and Trump refused it. You're going to have to show actual evidence of that. Never heard that. You're not one of those guys who thinks Trump owns stock in a different company making tests are you?.

Our test was late,... then it was unreliable,... now, it's still being promised but not widely available.
What I read was that the CDC's initial guidelines on who could be tested were responsible for confusion. They've since relaxed.

Every day we fall behind,... means more hospital overcrowding to come... more dead.
I've not seen any data that says the spread in the US is greater than other? Did you? Where? Not sure how anyone could say that at this stage.

You know as well as I,... Trump was purposely delaying testing to keep numbers down... (better for his re-election).  Trump was willing to kill thousands to get reelected? Is that what you're saying?

He was going to lose anyway. His likelihood of reelection was very high.

Web, you really need to do your own research.
Real news...
I'm not going to go around regathering old news for you, just so you can piss it away.

There is no data that says the US spread is worse because we haven't been able to test.
While other countries fight the problem,... we drudge into it blindly.
How's that going to work out?.


Title: Re: Positive changes we might see.. corona..
Post by MnSpring on 03/16/20 at 15:50:16


3721362B33262B30440 wrote:
"... you really need to do your own research...
...  not going to go around regathering old news for you ..."

Are those variants on:
"I'll just make something up, or repeat what someone told me to say"
and, "Don't be so lazy..."
(As the tt and clones often said)


Title: Re: Positive changes we might see.. corona..
Post by WebsterMark on 03/16/20 at 15:51:19

The entire media has been on 4 year quest to get rid of Trump so tell me how I’m supposed to sort through it. I’m listening to NBC right now and there’s a fair amount of opinion sprinkled in between the facts. Hell, a couple days ago you alluded to the fact you thought it was feasible Trump was directly responsible for this. I don’t think you think any differently than NBC nightly news producers so again how my supposed to believe what I’m hearing. How do I find what the truth is?
Is Trump perfect? No, of course not. Find me someone who has. Sure, you want to point to South Korea and conveniently skip every other country. I’m willing to wait and see how this turns out. You’re  not.

Title: Re: Positive changes we might see.. corona..
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/16/20 at 16:30:13

WHO sent tests to other countries, America declined.
Who made the call?
Why?
Unknown

Title: Re: Positive changes we might see.. corona..
Post by WebsterMark on 03/16/20 at 17:27:29

CDC

Title: Re: Positive changes we might see.. corona..
Post by WebsterMark on 03/16/20 at 20:10:35


360403121504132C00130A610 wrote:
The entire media has been on 4 year quest to get rid of Trump so tell me how I’m supposed to sort through it. I’m listening to NBC right now and there’s a fair amount of opinion sprinkled in between the facts. Hell, a couple days ago you alluded to the fact you thought it was feasible Trump was directly responsible for this. I don’t think you think any differently than NBC nightly news producers so again how my supposed to believe what I’m hearing. How do I find what the truth is?
Is Trump perfect? No, of course not. Find me someone who has. Sure, you want to point to South Korea and conveniently skip every other country. I’m willing to wait and see how this turns out. You’re  not.


And right on schedule, NY Times lies about a call Trump had with Governors. Not one person either, multiple people lied.

Title: Re: Positive changes we might see.. corona..
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/16/20 at 20:14:09

Yep..
Lies of omission..
I'm sure it's unintentional

Title: Re: Positive changes we might see.. corona..
Post by pg on 03/17/20 at 05:36:21


47585E5944437242724A58541F2D0 wrote:
Not discounting the negatives..
Looking for the positive..
Like
Pharmaceuticals and military equipment for America
Made in America



One of the few positive aspects of this ordeal is the US finally realized total dependence of a foreign supply chain is assinine.  With that said it will be business as usually after this passes, the market always corrects itself.

Best regards,

Title: Re: Positive changes we might see.. corona..
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/17/20 at 09:50:01

One of the few positive aspects of this ordeal is the US finally realized total dependence of a foreign supply chain is assinine.

Trump has been working on it since day one.
Now, the people who work so diligently against him have to listen.

Title: Re: Positive changes we might see.. corona..
Post by srinath on 03/17/20 at 09:58:43


746B6D6A7770417141796B672C1E0 wrote:
One of the few positive aspects of this ordeal is the US finally realized total dependence of a foreign supply chain is assinine.

Trump has been working on it since day one.
Now, the people who work so diligently against him have to listen.




Yes, and I'd say its time to tariff more calling it the corona Virus cover up and bat eating slave ship workmanship tariff act of 2020.

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: Positive changes we might see.. corona..
Post by Matchless G11 on 03/18/20 at 15:13:58

Drive in theaters might get a boost, no sitting in a crowd.

Title: Re: Positive changes we might see.. corona..
Post by MnSpring on 03/19/20 at 15:13:45

Could be a very good thing that Millions more are buying a Gun.

And they actually realize that the UL DFI Gun Banning Socialists, have LIED to them, when they say they believe in the 2nd Amendment.

When in actuality they want to REMOVE guns from the hands of the honest, law abiding Citizen.

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