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Title: I was wondering Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/26/20 at 12:44:11 Seems as reasonable an explanation as any... Mass Shooting Evokes Meh From Media - Moonbattery Normally, the liberal media establishment loves mass shootings. These opportunities to attack the right to bear arms are often celebrated for weeks and even months on end. But not all mass shootings are equal. There was one in Seattle last Wednesday that barely registered on the national news. Marquise Latrelle Tolbert, William Ray Tolliver, and an unnamed third person pulled out guns and started shooting at each other during evening rush hour in a crime-ridden downtown area called “The Blade,” killing a bystander and wounding seven others, including a 9-year-old boy. Tolbert and Tolliver remained at large after the event, although Tolliver has now been caught. NOQ Report explains why the shooting evoked a meh from the media: • The suspects are Black. Gun control advocates prefer Caucasian suspects. • Both had lengthy criminal records. Gun control advocates want previously law-abiding citizens to prove their points. • It occurred in a gun-free zone in the mass transit section of downtown. Gun control advocates refuse to believe gun-free zones don’t work. • As felons, both suspects were already prohibited from owning or carrying firearms. Gun control advocates do not like stories proving that gun control doesn’t work. • All eight victims appear to have been caught in a crossfire of a dispute instead of being targeted following a racist social media post or a manifesto being published online. Gun control advocates like manifestos. These are not the kind of suspects the media hypes, because they are reminders that law-abiding citizens need to be able to protect themselves: On a tip from Lyle. |
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Title: Re: I was wondering Post by Serowbot on 01/26/20 at 15:14:53 736C6A6D70774676467E6C602B190 wrote:
... but I thought you said all mass shootings happen in gun free zones?... |
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Title: Re: I was wondering Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/26/20 at 15:35:29 No, never said that. I said they don't work. And a high percentage occur in those places. However, as you POSTED. It occurred in a gun-free zone So, no. Good Guy with a Guuun..was even possible.. Thanks for playing and don't forget to go to the market place and get a new tub of butthurt cream. I'm working on a mix that will continue to be ever so soothing but not screw up the texture if Muppet butt. |
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Title: Re: I wasfailures, political correctness cau wonde Post by MnSpring on 01/26/20 at 15:38:26 https://mynorthwest.com/1682456/dori-downtown-seattle-shooting/ "...failures, political correctness caused downtown Seattle shooting..." |
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Title: Re: I wasfailures, political correctness cau wonde Post by srinath on 01/26/20 at 16:54:44 795A6744465D5A53340 wrote:
If I recall that was also what caused the parkland school shooting, someone whose child was killed analyzed it thoroughly and wrote a book about how the signs of the shooter were all ignored in favor of political correctness and not wanting to be a school to prison pipeline. As a non gun owner and not a huge fan of it anyway, its these glaring failures that make me fear the gun control theories floating about. I am counting on a few well armed good citizens in the event I am where bad people with gun show up. Maybe time to get myself armed, my wife has been showing signs she wants to. I've been reluctant to do so for now. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: I was wondering Post by oldNslow on 01/26/20 at 17:55:50 Quote:
Why are you counting on someone else to be there to protect you if you find yourself or your loved ones in such a situation? Doing that is YOUR responsibility. |
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Title: Re: I was wondering Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/26/20 at 18:49:05 Quote: I am counting on a few well armed good citizens in the event I am where bad people with gun show up. I don't Want to carry, I don't have a CC license,, but I'm considering it. Your odds of being where a Good Guy with a Gun is are going up daily. When more people are armed, that is how it works. I know, lefties believe otherwise,, but look at reports.. Before CC became something unsurprising, nope,, not many reports of Good Guy saving the day. We need about fifteen percent of the average person out in public carrying, imo,, more would be fine If If If Everyone trains, not just safe handling and accurate shooting, but how to deal with a crowded crime scene and not add to the carnage.. As if cops can make that claim.. |
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Title: Re: I was wondering Post by oldNslow on 01/26/20 at 19:05:57 Quote:
Repeating myself here, boss. "Why are you counting on someone else to be there to protect you if you find yourself or your loved ones in such a situation? Doing that is YOUR responsibility." Quote:
Also part of the responsibility. Yeah, I know. "responsibility". Not all that popular nowadays. :( |
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Title: Re: I was wondering Post by srinath on 01/27/20 at 05:18:06 I am not worried about it in my house. I live between 2 cops, would have been 4 cops - cop, cop, me cop cop but the last cop quit. I am more worried about getting arrested for shooting the bad guy, or worse, carrying in a "gun free" zone by error, or getting shot at a traffic stop because I have a CCP etc. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: I was wondering Post by MnSpring on 01/27/20 at 07:25:59 383922252A3F234B0 wrote:
That would be the, FEAR, the UL, FDS, Gun Hating Socialists, are selling. |
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Title: Re: I was wondering Post by srinath on 01/27/20 at 08:08:04 At my previous house, the one thing that everyone around me "Knew" was that I was armed. Literally wasn't even a question. I dealt with a lot of very questionable people, and was everyone's friend. I was well known as a great friend and a terrible enemy. All without doing a thing. Well it may have been the fact I was out in the driveway all the time working on bikes and audio equipment talking to everyone who walked by. There were thefts at my neighbors house etc etc, no such issue in mine. New house its too set back from the street and too few tightly packed neighbors that it doesn't happen even if I am outside working on stuff. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: I was wondering Post by pg on 01/27/20 at 09:26:26 6362797E716478100 wrote:
All of those issues are addressed when you go through a CCP class. Furthermore, a lot of state laws vary considerably and make it more complicated. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: I was wondering Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/27/20 at 20:17:01 The two suspects in this downtown shooting have been arrested 44 times with 20 convictions and 21 times with 15 convictions. Marquise Tolbert, the one with 20 convictions, had three felonies last year alone. You tell me how someone with three felonies in 2019 is walking around free and able to engage in a shootout that kills a woman and injures a bunch of other people, including a 9-year-old kid. Both Tolbert and William Tolliver, the other suspect, are just 24 years old. They both have previously been arrested and charged with drive-by shootings and unlawful possession of a firearm in 2018. So the courts knew full well that these were gun-toting gang members. Why did our justice system let them walk free? Why do we place criminals above law-abiding citizens? |
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Title: Re: I was wondering Post by oldNslow on 01/28/20 at 04:19:31 Quote:
Because according to our lefty friends, and the duma*s politicians that they elect, it's law abiding gun owners - like the 20 some thousand of them that went to Richmond the other day and didn't shoot anybody - that are the problem. Not the ignorant, irredeemable, utterly worthless members of some oppressed minority or other like these two dudes. They are not to blame for their actions. They just don't know any better and need sympathy and understanding. |
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Title: Re: I was wondering Post by MnSpring on 01/28/20 at 05:32:55 516F6E62706C6D030 wrote:
And those people know full well how to, play to, cry, act wounded, every chance they get. Simply because they have learned, the UL FDS Socialists, will coddle them. (...don't feed the bears...) |
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Title: Re: I wasfailures, political correctness cau wonde Post by MnSpring on 01/28/20 at 16:27:32 Pick one. 11100B0C03160A620 wrote:
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Title: Re: I was wondering Post by Eegore on 01/28/20 at 19:16:38 "As a non gun owner and not a huge fan of it anyway, ... Maybe time to get myself armed, ... I've been reluctant to do so for now. " At my previous house, the one thing that everyone around me "Knew" was that I was armed. Literally wasn't even a question. Why pick one? Couldn't it be interpreted as this: Previously in my life the one thing everyone around me "knew" was that it was no question that I had a firearm at my house. However Today, as in "for now" I am reluctant to arm myself like I once was, as I have never been a huge fan of carrying a firearm. |
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Title: Re: I was wondering Post by srinath on 01/28/20 at 19:55:15 Grrrr man you guys are missing it. I never owned a gun. It was all attitude. My previous house was in a subdivision, I was out in front and talking to people, fixing bikes and generally giving the impression that I am a 1 man biker gang. Atleast 4 bikes in my driveway, atleast 2 non functional, but those 2 varied week to week. It was almost like I could take em apart and put em back together better at will. The man, the myth, the legend … the biker gang - was in force. It was easy to do so, the situation let me do it, and I filled that role with panache. New house - well its cop, cop, me, cop and a house set 275 or so feet back from the street and garage behind the house. And I can fix bikes all I want, no one is walking by or driving slow looking at me. In fact the teenagers and even younger ones that populate a subdivision are pretty much not within a 100 miles it looks like. So who am I gonna show off my bike wrenching skills and get a leg up with. However its not necessary. Simple, every one around me is a cop. And 2 of the 3 are home all the time. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: I was wondering Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/28/20 at 20:33:11 I didn't miss it. The way you wrote Everyone "Knew " you were armed.. But, hey, I'm not a lefty. |
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Title: Re: I was wondering Post by MnSpring on 01/29/20 at 06:01:09 61607B7C73667A120 wrote:
That's fine, it is your choice to own/not own, a Firearm. Interesting that, in choosing not to own a Firearm, you still rely on one. |
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Title: Re: I was wondering Post by srinath on 01/29/20 at 06:30:19 4C6F527173686F66010 wrote:
That's fine, it is your choice to own/not own, a Firearm. Interesting that, in choosing not to own a Firearm, you still rely on one.[/quote] You mean by relying on cops next door ? I'm actually relying on their cars sitting in the driveway facing my house and far closer to my house than his (he's got like 8 other cars anyway). I guess the implication is that he has a gun, but then again most people think there are no shootings at police stations because everyone inside is armed … duh, its cos they're the only ones armed, they got metal detectors at the door. Cant get past it with nothing but the "lead" in your pencil. Now its impossible to start a shootout with graphite LOL. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: I was wondering Post by Eegore on 01/29/20 at 16:04:37 It's like saying you rely on plumbing to keep feces out of your home, but you don't own trenching or plumbing tools. That's fine, but remember you are relying on others to be trained, and have the equipment needed to keep your home free of disease. Or that you rely on the internet to post things but you don't have your own ISP distributing from your home. Or that you rely on clean water, but you don't have your own water filtration and testing center in your home. I imagine there are a lot of things we choose not to own and rely on someone else to know, and have the equipment to get it done for us. |
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Title: Re: I was wondering Post by MnSpring on 01/30/20 at 06:45:18 0525272F3225400 wrote:
So if someone, says water is bad, makes things up saying water is bad, says we can live with out water, says their is no need for water, etc., etc., etc. Then depends on water, by using it through other peoples efforts. That's perfectly OK ? Or is that like a Bank Robber using a red car, then banning red cars, expecting to stop Bank Robberies ? |
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Title: Re: I was wondering Post by Eegore on 01/30/20 at 16:01:25 "Then depends on water, by using it through other peoples efforts. That's perfectly OK ?" I didn't say it was ok, you did. Srinath didn't say he chose to not have a firearm in his home because anyone said it was bad. Nothing about this conversation is about anyone saying firearms are good or bad. None of it. It's about personal choice. Anyone's personal choice, to not have plumbing supplies and water treatment in their home means they must rely on the equipment and skills of someone else. That's it. Done. Nothing about plumbing is good or bad. It's done. That's is the point and the only point being made. If someone chooses to not have backup power, or create their own electricity on their own property, they must rely on the equipment and skills of somebody, or some other organization. That's it. It is not a debate about whether electricity is good or bad. It's saying that electricity, unless you generate your own, is in the hands of someone else. "Or is that like a Bank Robber using a red car, then banning red cars, expecting to stop Bank Robberies ?" It is nothing like that at all. Nothing about the conversation was about banning anything. Nothing. |
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Title: Re: I was wondering Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/30/20 at 19:05:43 Rabbit hole |
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Title: Re: I was wondering Post by Eegore on 01/30/20 at 19:25:58 "Rabbit hole" Or maybe what I said is all I was saying. Nothing more. |
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Title: Re: I was wondering Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/30/20 at 19:54:04 4C5355524F4879497941535F14260 wrote:
No gun zone People killing innocents Should not even be on the street Much less armed So, the lefties say Disarm people And don't say otherwise Why BECAUSE YOU IDIOTS HAVE FOUGHT TOOTH AND NAIL DEFENDING NO GUN ZONES.. I remember the Bullshit whining and wailing as sane people push for more concealed carry.. It's amply demonstrated to be a better solution than vulnerable, unarmed targets. But, EEEEEK, GUNS |
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Title: Re: I was wondering Post by Eegore on 01/30/20 at 21:23:54 Who here has indicated no gun zones are good? I can't recall if anyone has actually supported them. |
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Title: Re: I was wondering Post by raydawg on 01/30/20 at 21:26:26 0424262E3324410 wrote:
Are they.....laws? |
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Title: Re: I was wondering Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/30/20 at 22:38:25 6C4C4E465B4C290 wrote:
Really? Take a vote. I don't bother trying to remember which lefties I actually had to argue with, but I'm Quite certain that my suggestions that those No Gun zone signs come down and teachers be allowed to carry was met with much scorn. |
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Title: Re: I was wondering Post by srinath on 01/31/20 at 02:39:47 445B5D5A4740714171495B571C2E0 wrote:
Really? Take a vote. I don't bother trying to remember which lefties I actually had to argue with, but I'm Quite certain that my suggestions that those No Gun zone signs come down and teachers be allowed to carry was met with much scorn. [/quote] I don't think everyone should own a gun, in fact some people, who are not criminals or any other "problem" people aren't suited to owning a gun. Easy example is people who are bipolar, people who have suicidal thoughts, or specifically in my case of late, people feeling overwhelmed with tasks they took on no less. Too much of a situation to "end it all" in a moment of feeling "pointlessly sad". Much like owning a motorcycle, or car or anything else for that matter. 900lb couch potatoes shouldn't own a couch LOL. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: I was wondering Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/31/20 at 06:33:54 Show me where I claimed everyone should be armed. |
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Title: Re: I was wondering Post by srinath on 01/31/20 at 08:14:53 5E4147405D5A6B5B6B53414D06340 wrote:
I dunno man, something about arming teachers, then what happens when next shootout is at a coffee shop, or at a pizza buffet. You'd then say all pizza eaters need to be armed. Some sort of logical extension right. BTW I know some teachers and sure as hell they should not be armed. School administrators definitely fall in the retarded category definitely better off with them not armed. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: I was wondering Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/31/20 at 08:30:00 That's really close to stupid, srinath |
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Title: Re: I was wondering Post by srinath on 01/31/20 at 08:32:52 Its not, its like saying your choice of profession should include in it a requirement to be armed. I may choose to be a teacher tomorrow. God knows 1/2 the geniuses (sarcasm) I deal with call me professor. I certainly wont want to carry a gun. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: I was wondering Post by verslagen1 on 01/31/20 at 09:37:35 qsrin, you were probably out when we discussed the arming of teachers. like arming the public, should be voluntary, and requires training. some may only qualified to be armed with a ruler, length by skill. |
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Title: Re: I was wondering Post by srinath on 01/31/20 at 10:15:46 667562637C7177757E21100 wrote:
I guess there is the "herd immunity" thing, they may not know the bad ass bearded 50yr old biker dude who acts like he's worse than the high schoolers isn't armed, but the little 5' 0" 100lb waif of an old lady - well that's 100lb including the little lady glock in her garterbelt not to mention the Mac10 in her pocket book. Worked for me for 17+yrs … Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: I was wondering Post by verslagen1 on 01/31/20 at 10:39:36 God may have not made all (q)(wo)men equal, but colt did. |
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Title: Re: I was wondering Post by Eegore on 01/31/20 at 16:07:06 "Are they.....laws?" No. They are enforced by law. As in the criteria for what the sign says does not change if the wording is altered in a way that does not reflect a change in legal enforcement, or the use of law. "No Guns Allowed" changed to "No Gun Zone" is not a change in criteria, the law used to enforce the sign would not be different. Only the wording on the sign is different. |
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