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Title: 'public goods' Post by pg on 11/26/19 at 16:32:54 https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/they-are-public-goods-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-says-shes-not-just-promising-people-free-stuff The 29-year-old former bartender wants open borders (the American taxpayer will pay for all the associated costs). AOC wants free health care for everyone (Who pays? You guessed it). The first-term lawmaker — whom the head of the Democratic National Committee has called the “future of the party” — also wants free college for everyone (you can bet that includes all the foreigners who come in through the open borders). The Democratic socialist says it’s not free, but rather “public goods.” LOL... ;D Best regards, |
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Title: Re: 'public goods' Post by Mavigogun on 11/26/19 at 18:14:41 6374727E7161130 wrote:
This is a lie. This isn't a matter of interpretation- it's just a lie. Ocasio-Cortez has been explicitly clear- there's no justification or excuse for repeating this fiction. |
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Title: Re: 'public goods' Post by raydawg on 11/26/19 at 20:25:27 Free stuff.....Free Stuff....FREE STUFF....FREE STUFF.......FREEEEEE STUFFFFFF....!!!!! I hope she spanks me, for being a bad boy, I want her pubic goods ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: 'public goods' Post by Eegore on 11/26/19 at 20:27:31 Facts aren't really important on this forum. Easier to repeat what I was told, or read on a website I like than to research real policy and make an educated decision. |
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Title: Re: 'public goods' Post by Mavigogun on 11/26/19 at 21:16:44 35263E23263020470 wrote:
Maybe you were born yesterday, Ray- there was a time when millions of people received a university degree for very little or no payment. Consequently, that investment fueled our growth, and resulted, in part, in one of the two lowest poverty rates on record. All that ended with Ronald Regan's retreat from social investment. We've suffered the consequences ever since. |
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Title: Re: 'public goods' Post by raydawg on 11/26/19 at 21:28:54 Was a time too, schools taught what was needed, not indoctrination..... I am all for schooling, and believe it can solve lots of our ills. But it needs to be focused, and held accountable. I think 12 years and beyond, should still be provided as the first 12, in most courses. But again, it needs to be productive and successful, not just another endless resource gobbling program. |
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Title: Re: 'public goods' Post by Mavigogun on 11/26/19 at 21:39:17 3A29312C293F2F480 wrote:
That's a valid concern. There's substance to that concern. No such substance was present in your lead post, seemingly devoid of understanding of circumstance, nor of any apparent care for understanding. "Free stuff.....Free Stuff....FREE STUFF....FREE STUFF.......FREEEEEE STUFFFFFF....!!!!!" You have to do better than that, Ray. Such is an obstruction to any real consideration. |
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Title: Re: 'public goods' Post by pg on 11/27/19 at 03:50:01 2A26312E2028203229470 wrote:
This is a lie. This isn't a matter of interpretation- it's just a lie. Ocasio-Cortez has been explicitly clear- there's no justification or excuse for repeating this fiction. [/quote] Abolishing ICE and advocating all immigrants have rights and a pathway to citizenship is close enough to me. Is that conservative enough for you? Best regards, |
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Title: Re: 'public goods' Post by T And T Garage on 11/27/19 at 05:41:32 0121232B3621440 wrote:
Amen Eegore. Tho OP is a lie, plain and simple. |
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Title: Re: 'public goods' Post by Mavigogun on 11/27/19 at 05:49:14 3720262A2535470 wrote:
This is going to come as a shock to you, but everyone in our country has rights. It's true. I won't wait while you check. ICE has existed since 2003; those that would see it gone don't advocate for open borders in its elimination, rather what they see as an ill-conceived agency with a horribly executed mission. Ocasio-Cortez specifically has made clear that she is not calling for the end of deportation. We can disagree with her assessment and advocacy for ending ICE-as-we-know-it, but claiming it equates to open borders is simply not true. Repeating and believing untrue things is antithetical to the democratic process- an educated electorate is essential. A path to citizenship is not without condition- it's a path, after all -it's something we've always had. The path Ocasio-Cortez advocates is for the so-called Dreamers- folks who grew up in the US, know no other country, have no other lives. If you believe these nuanced positions equat to open borders, you are believing a lie. I've made an effort you would not to educate you. Continuing to repeat this lie will only describe you, not Ocasio-Cortez or the policy she advocates. We'd all be better off were you to favor the truth. |
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Title: Re: 'public goods' Post by WebsterMark on 11/27/19 at 06:00:35 What's a 'lie'? Is extrapolating AOC's immigration proposals into support for open borders any different than you extrapolating Trump into a bigot because he didn't want those with a criminal background crossing the border? Now, you'll site other incidents 'proving' your point and I could site other examples proving PG's point about AOC and open borders. In the political world, lie's are often a matter of perspective. Did Obama 'lie' when he said the riot that sparked the Benghazi debacle was caused by a video? Depends on your perspective. Was there a quid pro quo beneficial to Obama's political party when he returned money to Iran? Depends on your perspective. Did Hilary lie about the reason for the server in her basement was convenience? Did Trump lie when he said Mexican was going to pay for the wall? All of us 'lie' based on the fact we accept our view of events as absolute truth and anyone not accepting that is flawed. As has been said (and a fact all good salesman and politicians take advantage of) people mostly make emotional decisions and justify them afterwards with selected facts. It's how we survive in a complicated world. |
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Title: Re: 'public goods' Post by Mavigogun on 11/27/19 at 06:25:11 083A3D2C2B3A2D123E2D345F0 wrote:
The great equivocator. The absence of good faith efforts to test and reflect I reject exclusively. Unable or unwilling to discern difference, you equivocate all. The best apprehension provided by intelligence services in a moment and later superseded is not on a spectrum with Trump saying he didn't know anything about payments to Stormy Daniels. Your premise itself is sophistry. 'We all lie by thinking we know what we know when denouncing fiction.' Specious noise, that. One thing you've made absolutely, unequivocally clear, Mark: You lied when you said you didn't read my posts. A petty lie- and definitive. |
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Title: Re: 'public goods' Post by Serowbot on 11/27/19 at 09:53:32 AOC Raised More for Reelection Campaign Last Quarter Than All Other House Dems, Including Pelosi Ocasio-Cortez raked in $1.42 million between July 1 and September 30, outstripping Adam Schiff (D., Calif.), who raised $1.26 million over the same period, and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D., Calif.), who raised $1.26 million, the New York Post first reported. All three are up for reelection in 2020. “This is very rare, unique,” political consultant George Arzt told the Post. “I can’t recall anyone raising this much money during the first year in office.” Contributions under $200 comprised most of the donations to Ocasio-Cortez, at $1.1 million in total contributions. |
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Title: Re: 'public goods' Post by raydawg on 11/27/19 at 13:08:04 7E687F627A6F62790D0 wrote:
Remember when folks like Limbaugh told voters to vote for Hillary, in the open primaries....? You recall how much division it caused, and extended the campaigning spending beyond what should have been a done deal for Obama.... Think maybe these same folk, want her around? :-? |
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Title: Re: 'public goods' Post by Mavigogun on 11/27/19 at 14:02:58 Quote the sewer, then pose crappy questions. What a place to dwell. |
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Title: Re: 'public goods' Post by pg on 11/28/19 at 13:39:38 717D6A757B737B69721C0 wrote:
This is going to come as a shock to you, but everyone in our country has rights. It's true. I won't wait while you check. ICE has existed since 2003; those that would see it gone don't advocate for open borders in its elimination, rather what they see as an ill-conceived agency with a horribly executed mission. Ocasio-Cortez specifically has made clear that she is not calling for the end of deportation. We can disagree with her assessment and advocacy for ending ICE-as-we-know-it, but claiming it equates to open borders is simply not true. Repeating and believing untrue things is antithetical to the democratic process- an educated electorate is essential. A path to citizenship is not without condition- it's a path, after all -it's something we've always had. The path Ocasio-Cortez advocates is for the so-called Dreamers- folks who grew up in the US, know no other country, have no other lives. If you believe these nuanced positions equat to open borders, you are believing a lie. I've made an effort you would not to educate you. Continuing to repeat this lie will only describe you, not Ocasio-Cortez or the policy she advocates. We'd all be better off were you to favor the truth.[/quote] AOC will be more than happy to allow droves of illegal immigrants into the country with the unbridled support of the Democrats nationwide. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: 'public goods' Post by srinath on 11/28/19 at 14:35:44 7C6B6D616E7E0C0 wrote:
He he, and they want them to move out into other states like SC and TX. Come in via CA and get citizenship and indoctrination, and move to TX and SC and importantly OH, FL etc. The whole aging nation thing shifts republican. Immigrants especially young and benefitting from Aocialist policies tend to be democraps. So have to send those to red states. If they stay in CA, well, its worthless. Winning CA by 3 million vs 4 million wont get them squat. I'm really getting cynical in my old age. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: 'public goods' Post by Mavigogun on 11/28/19 at 22:13:28 5740464A4555270 wrote:
You’re a liar. |
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Title: Re: 'public goods' Post by Mavigogun on 11/28/19 at 22:16:22 44455E5956435F370 wrote:
I can’t attest to what you once were, but now, certainly delusional. |
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Title: Re: 'public goods' Post by srinath on 11/29/19 at 02:48:16 0D011609070F07150E600 wrote:
I can’t attest to what you once were, but now, certainly delusional. [/quote] I can attest to being in CA and moving to SC and being an immigrant. I was never illegal, and never benefitted from any of those Clinton immigration reforms - they all came in after I had got a GC. However I can see how if I was illegal, I'd feel a deep sense of gratitude. That's why democrats win CA by 3million votes + Its no use to them if I stayed in CA. Winning CA by 4 million don't make them any closer to the WH. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: 'public goods' Post by pg on 11/29/19 at 03:55:10 505C4B545A525A48533D0 wrote:
You’re a liar. [/quote] Liar liar pants on fire. Is that the best ya' got? It would certainly appear so. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: 'public goods' Post by Mavigogun on 11/29/19 at 05:14:01 7661676B6474060 wrote:
There was a time when truth mattered- when being called out for demonstrable, obvious lies would shame the teller into reform. That ain't you- instead, this school-yard-taunt is the best representation of who you are. You lie freely, and without concern for record. You label yourself by your choices- then, bizarrely, protest being know for your choices. I'll not waste more time recounting the record to one so completely without care for it. With these bald untruths, the telling becomes the topic- a tactic you share with the President. Now we’re talking about the just application of my characterization instead of your earlier lie- that's by design, really, using one lie to focus on another, then another... “You're a liar” succinctly said as much. |
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Title: Re: 'public goods' Post by pg on 11/29/19 at 16:05:29 525E49565850584A513F0 wrote:
Abolish ICE, welfare benefits for illegals, and the right of human mobility. The freshman congresswoman went on to suggest ICE has not given due respect to those who enter the country illegally. The United States must "respect for the right of human mobility," she said before adding, "because it is a right." "Because we are standing on Native land, and Latino people are descendants of Native people. And we cannot be … criminalized simply for our identity or our status." https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2019/02/08/aoc-ice-remarks-n2541027 Best regards, |
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