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Title: Socialism/GPA Post by MnSpring on 10/27/19 at 08:20:48 Socialism/GPA has been done many, many, many times. Saw another one last night. A Question for the UL FDS GB Socialists. Why is it, that collage students just Love the Gimme, I deserve, Free stuff, it is my Right, (when it clearly is not) Yet, when asked,"Would you would be willing to give some of your higher than B grades, to bolster up someones D grades.?" It is a absolutely different answer. They say they want to keep their grade, because They worked hard to get them. They have not worked for anything yet, so they fully believe everything should be the nirvana, 'free'. The only thing they have worked for, is their Grades ! And that is why they are Not willing to give them out willy nilly. Especially to someone who has not even tried to study. The UL FDS GBS, are only interested in those, Collage students, and those that have graduated with their 6 year, 'Underwater Basket Weaving degree', and living in their parents basement, while they seek a 'meaningful' job. Only as long as they have their strings attached, and be puppeteer-ed into, 'Useful Idiots'. What other reason are the field of wanna bees, which have stumbled out of the Clown Car, which are all falling over themselves, seeing who can 'promise' to give away More? They have already convinced tt and clones. Who's left ? Oh, Wait, ALL the people who are promised to get, (Citizen or not), the 'wannabees', give always. |
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Title: Re: Socialism/GPA Post by raydawg on 10/27/19 at 08:39:06 Grades.....what are grades? I got a participated ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Socialism/GPA Post by Eegore on 10/27/19 at 11:15:30 But many are ok with grading on a curve. That's not Socialism, or Capitalism, its more like Democratic Socialism. |
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Title: Re: Socialism/GPA Post by raydawg on 10/27/19 at 11:37:32 7151535B4651340 wrote:
Not really, its more like accepting lessor. Would you like a doctor to operate on you who was in a med school where everyone scored 25/100 as passing? Yes, a BIG exaggeration, however, the truth still remains in the fallibility of grading on a curve raises results positively. |
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Title: Re: Socialism/GPA Post by MnSpring on 10/27/19 at 14:34:44 2505070F1205600 wrote:
Grading on a curve, IS socialism. It punishes the hardest working/smartest, for the benefit of the lazy/ignorant. It is akin to, 'Teaching The Test', which many teachers do, to bolster, the 'Teacher'. Teach a subject, give a test. Do Not, reward the students that did not learn/listen. Do Not, punish the students that did. |
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Title: Re: Socialism/GPA Post by verslagen1 on 10/28/19 at 08:20:32 6E4E4C44594E2B0 wrote:
Grading on the curve is capitalism pure and simple, only the best get the high grades and the worst the low grades based upon the averages of the current class. Pass/Fail where the criteria is set by the state is socialism. Could be democratic socialism if the criteria is set by the class. |
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Title: Re: Socialism/GPA Post by Eegore on 10/28/19 at 11:44:34 "Could be democratic socialism if the criteria is set by the class." That's more of what I was thinking. And in some classes it happens and people go insane complaining about Millennials for a day but its a very low percentage, less than 1%. |
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Title: Re: Socialism/GPA Post by Eegore on 10/28/19 at 11:51:54 "Grading on a curve, IS socialism. It punishes the hardest working/smartest, for the benefit of the lazy/ignorant." How are they punished? They still have their A. If they scored 99 out of 100 and they grade on a curve your score is 99 out of 100. Their GPA won't change no matter what anyone else got. What's the punishment specifically for the guy who got the 99 out of 100? |
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Title: Re: Socialism/GPA Post by T And T Garage on 10/28/19 at 12:11:37 5F7F7D75687F1A0 wrote:
Now that's pure, distilled logic. Sorry mn, there's no refuting that. |
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Title: Re: Socialism/GPA Post by Mavigogun on 10/28/19 at 12:48:24 73506D4E4C5750593E0 wrote:
You don’t understand the bell-curve- at all; at least you're consistent. The curve adjusts regard of results to reflect reasonable expectations. Were we to test a group of 6-year-olds on economics, those scoring above 50% might be extraordinary, while a majority achieving in the 20 percentile, average. Let's take a not-so hypothetical class, tested on metrics, in which most score in the 80-90% range. Exceptional? No, they are average- you’d have to score perfect or near perfect to be above average. Consider then the case of the lazy and ignorant Minimal-effort-Spring- despite knowing little-to-nothing about The Curve, he manages to guess well on the multiple choice test, scoring 75% -but because grading is 'on the curve', he still fails. A common example of laziness and ignorance being recognized- not “rewarded” -when applying a curve. Like all tools, such as language, value is in the hand of the person wielding it. We are confronted by this dynamic on this forum every day. In this thread, the guy starting a discussion on political philosophy isn't even versed in the use of tools he has reached for; normally I’d encourage that sort of ambition, but a demonstrated contempt for learning robs me of good will. |
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Title: Re: Socialism/GPA Post by Serowbot on 10/28/19 at 12:58:57 I read somewhere that the elite colleges don't give grades... I'd have done very well there... :-? |
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Title: Re: Socialism/GPA Post by verslagen1 on 10/28/19 at 13:03:09 6C7A6D70687D706B1F0 wrote:
If that's true, either you do very well or you don't go there. |
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Title: Re: Socialism/GPA Post by T And T Garage on 10/28/19 at 13:13:05 7B77607F7179716378160 wrote:
You don’t understand the bell-curve- at all; at least you're consistent. The curve adjusts regard of results to reflect reasonable expectations. Were we to test a group of 6-year-olds on economics, those scoring above 50% might be extraordinary, while a majority achieving in the 20 percentile, average. Let's take a not-so hypothetical class, tested on metrics, in which most score in the 80-90% range. Exceptional? No, they are average- you’d have to score perfect or near perfect to be above average. Consider then the case of the lazy and ignorant Minimal-effort-Spring- despite knowing little-to-nothing about The Curve, he manages to guess we’ll on the multiple choice test, scoring 75% -but because grading is 'on the curve', he still fails. A common example of laziness and ignorance being recognized- not “rewarded” -when applying a curve. Like all tools, such as language, value is in the hand of the person wielding it. We are confronted by this dynamic on this forum every day. In this thread, the guy starting a discussion on political philosophy isn't even versed in the use of tools he has reached for; normally I’d encourage that sort of ambition, but a demonstrated contempt for learning robs me of good will.[/quote] To be clear, that wasn't my quote, Mavigogun. it was mn's (I know it's tough to distinguish between the two of us....lol) |
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Title: Re: Socialism/GPA Post by Mavigogun on 10/28/19 at 13:33:47 6B757A7B766B706D1F0 wrote:
My bad- redacted the wrong portion of the quote tag. Besides, I know you can't be he- the Spring is an argyle sock-puppet I employ to make me look clever by contrast. It’s taxing, really, searching the ignernet for rant-fragments to clip, afflict with random font markup... |
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Title: Re: Socialism/GPA Post by T And T Garage on 10/28/19 at 14:09:52 2A26312E2028203229470 wrote:
My bad- redacted the wrong portion of the quote tag. Besides, I know you can't be he- the Spring is an argyle sock-puppet I employ to make me look clever by contrast. It’s taxing, really, searching the ignernet for rant-fragments to clip, afflict with random font markup... [/quote] ;D Good one! |
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Title: Re: Socialism/GPA Post by MnSpring on 10/28/19 at 15:39:54 6444464E5344210 wrote:
At first, they are not. The person’s who got the most questions correct, most probably get’s a A, If one of the popular ‘curve’ grading was used, would probably get a A plus. Making him/her the highest scoring person on that test. So, in a way, that person is not punished for their work/study. That time. And that describes the two extremes of the spectrum. The highest gets a A, the lowest get’s a F. What about those lower grading students, who would have failed, they now get getting passing grades, for doing NO work. The working hard person, not just the Top person, sees, ‘no work’, rewarded, so why ‘work’, why not party ? So yea, it would not, directly, ‘punish’, the highest grade person. It punishes the hardest working/smartest, for the benefit of the lazy/ignorant. Just like, ’Teaching The Test’, benefits the teacher, school, state. Or the most wonderful, Pass/Fail, system. Socialism, where the ‘almost good enough’, will receive rewards. (Well, until the other person, stops working for them) Now, to the original question: ... when asked,"Would you would be willing to give some of your higher than B grades, to bolster up someones D grades.?" ...They say they want to keep their grade, because They worked hard to get them... Is it possible that any UL FDS GBS could answer that, without Spinning, Deflecting, and name calling ? Or is it just, 'good enough', to Spin, Deflect, and name call ? |
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Title: Re: Socialism/GPA Post by Eegore on 10/28/19 at 15:51:09 "The person’s who got the most questions correct, most probably get’s a A," They do, not probably. Do you know of college courses where the highest score is not considered as the highest and gets a B? "The working hard person, not just the Top person, sees, ‘no work’, rewarded, so why ‘work’, why not party ?" With that type of education ethics why shouldn't they be held responsible for screwing off their grades for partying? You don't like how this class is graded so you get an excuse to party instead of study? "Now, to the original question: ... when asked,"Would you would be willing to give some of your higher than B grades, to bolster up someones D grades.?" ...They say they want to keep their grade, because They worked hard to get them..." Do you have any references? |
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Title: Re: Socialism/GPA Post by MnSpring on 10/28/19 at 16:10:24 5777757D6077120 wrote:
As tt often says: "don't be so lazy, and look it up yourself" |
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Title: Re: Socialism/GPA Post by Eegore on 10/28/19 at 16:14:31 So you don't have references. |
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Title: Re: Socialism/GPA Post by MnSpring on 10/28/19 at 16:29:24 5676747C6176130 wrote:
As tt often said ........... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Socialism/GPA Post by Eegore on 10/28/19 at 18:06:37 Given your history of claiming you have proof of things you don't actually have, I'm not going to take much of what you claim to say as fact. For instance where's the case, the actual legal case number of the prosecution for shooting armor piercing bullets into a person when the impacts were actually in the face? Where is that case? What state? What court? |
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Title: Re: Socialism/GPA Post by MnSpring on 10/28/19 at 18:29:02 1D3D3F372A3D580 wrote:
This is actually funny. I JUST did a search and got a Page full. Do as tt often said !!!!! the actual legal case number of the prosecution for shooting armor piercing bullets into a person when the impacts were actually in the face? Again, Never said that. 'shooting armor piercing bullets... impacts ... in the face' |
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Title: Re: Socialism/GPA Post by Eegore on 10/28/19 at 19:27:33 "Again, Never said that. 'shooting armor piercing bullets... impacts ... in the face'" Did you use the word "head" ? I recall you bringing up a case where cop-killer bullets impacted in a location other than body armor and that evidence was used in court to change law. I've heard of this case in a few places, but nobody can reference it. |
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Title: Only ignius rocks are dumber Post by Mavigogun on 10/28/19 at 20:00:10 1F3C0122203B3C35520 wrote:
I went to some length to explain this so that even a person of your limited intellect could understand what you keep repeating is simply wrong. Minimal-effort-Spring demonstrates, once again, that you can lead a bore to culture, but you can't make him think. Here, I'll post it in a larger font with less challenging characters and a color that might hold your attention; sorry, no cartoons- you'll just have to make pictures in your head: The curve adjusts regard of results to reflect reasonable expectations. Were we to test a group of 6-year-olds on economics, those scoring above 50% might be extraordinary, while a majority achieving in the 20 percentile, average. Let's take a not-so hypothetical class, tested on metrics, in which most score in the 80-90% range. Exceptional? No, they are average- you’d have to score perfect or near perfect to be above average. Consider then the case of the lazy and ignorant Minimal-effort-Spring- despite knowing little-to-nothing about The Curve, he manages to guess well on the multiple choice test, scoring 75% -but because grading is 'on the curve', he still fails. A common example of laziness and ignorance being recognized- not “rewarded” -when applying a curve. |
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Title: Re: Socialism/GPA Post by Eegore on 10/28/19 at 20:34:26 Careful, going over how curve grading works mathematically is too specific. We need to stick with conjecture and imagined scenarios. |
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Title: Re: Socialism/GPA Post by T And T Garage on 10/29/19 at 07:47:32 0A2A28203D2A4F0 wrote:
LOL [smiley=tekst-toppie.gif] |
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Title: Re: Socialism/GPA Post by MnSpring on 10/29/19 at 08:30:53 1D3D3F372A3D580 wrote:
First, ONLY the UL FDS GBS called, those bullets, 'cop-killer', 'armor piercing'. They Were NOT, by any way shape or means. They just, 'Looked Scary'. They were taken off the market in 92/93 ? They were the same construction/performance, that other and 100's of today's bullets are made. That don't 'LOOK" Scary. (For the panty in a bunch crowd, 100's, Count H.P Bullets by caliber, by type in that caliber, then weight in that caliber, then multiply that by the numbers of calibers) So your statement: "shooting armor piercing bullets into a person" Never happened, it was simply another case where the UL FDS GBS Made Something UP, Lied by omission of fact, to convince other UL FDS GBS to do something. All for the fact that that group of UL FDS GBD, were, 'Scared' of a bullet construction. (Hint, do what tt says) |
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Title: Re: Socialism/GPA Post by Mavigogun on 10/29/19 at 08:43:08 It's like his central nervous system is too primitive to register shame. |
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Title: Re: Socialism/GPA Post by Eegore on 10/29/19 at 16:01:58 "First, ONLY the UL FDS GBS called, those bullets, 'cop-killer', 'armor piercing'. They Were NOT, by any way shape or means." I agree. But you mentioned a murder case that involved those bullets that impacted areas of the body other than the armor, and the information in this case was used as leverage to outlaw the bullets. Where is this case? |
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Title: Re: Socialism/GPA Post by MnSpring on 10/30/19 at 06:57:51 4E6E6C64796E0B0 wrote:
You stated, ‘I agree’, when I said these bullets were Not, ‘’cop-killer', 'armor piercing'.' YET, you, called them, ‘armor piercing bullets'‘ (#20), and ‘cop-killer bullets’, (#22) You have stated your opinion both ways. Which is it ? No, it was not, ‘a’, murder case. Again never said it was. It was a case where several Gun Haters, got in front of a bunch of elected, Gun Haters, Who allowed them to LIE, by omission of Facts, to convince the elected Gun Haters to ban a certain bullet. (Just for the panty in a bunch crowd, notice, ’to convince … to ban’. Not, ’they did', ban) The nuts of the situation was: Gun Haters, did NOT call/inform/invite any sensible people. The elected, Gun Haters, did not call/inform/invite any sensible people. The gun haters gave their ‘testimony’ in their, ‘eco chamber’, that these, (’Scary’ bullets), were armor piercing, cop-killer bullets. And to Prove that, they cited 6 police officers that were Killed, while wearing Body armor. The elected Gun Haters, promptly decided something had to be done about these, ‘scary’ bullets. The FACTS: The 6 fatally shot cited were over a period of several years. They were fatally shot in a place they had NO Body Armor covering. They were NOT, armor piercing, or cop-killer bullets. The Gun Haters presented the information in such a way, And did not call/inform/invite any sensible people to set the record straight. That the elected Gun Haters, believed these were ultra evil armor piercing, cop-killer bullets. Rather the same today, when a Mentally Ill person, wrongly used/s a firearm, the UL FDS GBS’s solution is to ban that firearm. Much the same thing as banning red cars, because one was used in a bank robbery. |
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Title: Re: Socialism/GPA Post by Mavigogun on 10/30/19 at 10:42:39 1C3F022123383F36510 wrote:
These largely incoherent grievances provide no basis for judgement when the sole witness is so completely unreliable. The most that can be gleaned is how these feelings orbit your personality. Some people somewhere don’t share your values. We can't possibly assess any sort of merit or fault of those folks through your lens - no mater how boldly or emphatically typed. Nor is dialog possible when screes are staked out like sequential road signs composed of abbreviated prejudice, blurred gibberish forgotten as you speed ever-onward. It must be incredibly frustrating. |
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Title: Re: Socialism/GPA Post by MnSpring on 10/30/19 at 13:05:14 767A6D727C747C6E751B0 wrote:
It must be incredibly frustrating for you to constantly have to defend a group of people that want nothing more, then to see how much of someone else's money, they can give away. And have to say, what you are TOLD to say. Your prejudice and blurred gibberish, is on display for all to see. |
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Title: Re: Socialism/GPA Post by T And T Garage on 10/30/19 at 13:17:48 51724F6C6E75727B1C0 wrote:
It must be incredibly frustrating for you to constantly have to defend a group of people that want nothing more, then to see how much of someone else's money, they can give away. And have to say, what you are TOLD to say. Your prejudice and blurred gibberish, is on display for all to see.[/quote] Funny though how you verbally vomit the talking points of the NRA and the conservatives, yet you blame others for being "told what to say"... Look in the mirror, mn. You're the one that's guilty of that. (oh, and that was the proper use of "you're") Nope, not going to go there. That was unprovoked and childish on my part. |
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Title: Re: Socialism/GPA Post by Eegore on 10/30/19 at 13:25:47 "YET, you, called them, ‘armor piercing bullets'‘ (#20), and ‘cop-killer bullets’, (#22) You have stated your opinion both ways. Which is it ?" My opinion is neither of those. I would call them Teflon encased heads. I am referencing other claims of what they have been called or referenced as by people other than me. "And to Prove that, they cited 6 police officers that were Killed, while wearing Body armor." I would consider killing a police officer to be murder. There should be a murder case, or investigation for that. "They were fatally shot in a place they had NO Body Armor covering. They were NOT, armor piercing, or cop-killer bullets." Where is this material? People claim it all day and never present the information. |
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Title: Re: Socialism/GPA Post by MnSpring on 10/30/19 at 15:02:00 554B444548554E53210 wrote:
That statement is So, RIGHT ! ! ! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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