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Title: Mister Robinson....... Post by raydawg on 10/26/19 at 09:56:17 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIwf3d7hP9g Tell me, educate me, how is this man wrong.....???? With folk like him, we have hope, and real change, for a stronger understanding of where we should focus our energies on crime. |
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Title: Re: Mister Robinson....... Post by WebsterMark on 10/26/19 at 10:30:22 I've seen this before. No, the idea behind his comments are not wrong. 99.9% guns are never used in the commission of a crime. To Beto and other socialist/communist scum, I simple say; come and get it. |
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Title: Re: Mister Robinson....... Post by raydawg on 10/26/19 at 11:25:58 Yeah....not sure the exact content of his visit to the board members, etc.... However, he hit the nail of truth smack dab on its head, when he said I will give you my guys, because I am a law abiding person, but now tell me how you are going to get them away from the criminals....???? These libs just think because they can talk a nirvana, then their motivation is pure and without retort. I mean, we see how tolerant they themselves are, at confrontations by opposition asking them questions, etc.... well, maybe not ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Mister Robinson....... Post by Eegore on 10/26/19 at 14:50:01 "However, he hit the nail of truth smack dab on its head, when he said I will give you my guys, because I am a law abiding person, but now tell me how you are going to get them away from the criminals....????" I agree. I've seen a lot of exercises around this and none of them are something any city council would spring for, or be able to afford. |
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Title: Re: Mister Robinson....... Post by raydawg on 10/26/19 at 15:37:00 Eegore, I have posted before a wizened saying, Expectations are premeditated resentments....with context being everything.... I mean does a person expect to be paid for their labor, of course, what would motivate someone otherwise, and resenting not being paid is as normal as rain..... The understanding of the saying is for each to reflect upon self, hopefully revealing their intentions on any given situation, so they might better navigate through life's predicaments, obstacles, and hurdles..... Would you agree? Now if we shift this expectations to governing a society, would you agree its a much needed tool to keep from total chaos, and fragmentation of a civilized society, that collectively needs to function as one entity, in order to be efficient and as concise as possible? I'll stop here, awaiting your response before I further elaborate..... ;) |
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Title: Re: Mister Robinson....... Post by Eegore on 10/27/19 at 06:12:43 Yes. |
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Title: Re: Mister Robinson....... Post by raydawg on 10/27/19 at 07:48:26 Great....... My question then becomes, how do we select those societal expectations? Now I believe it was you who said laws were not meant to be a deterrent... Am I right about that? Either way, I would agree in part, but not in total, for I do believe some weigh such consequences before breaking a law So, my question is: How do we choose these expectations of its citizens? I believe our democracy is a attempt, with its separations of power in 3 distinct branches, and requires a high bar when 2 out of 3 agree in principal and policies, but in reality, all that can result with that, is a new law which takes us back to the beginning of addressing a societal obstacle or hurdle....that keeps us from operating as one entity. How do customs of the many different cultures factor in.....? Do we allow everybody with a differing set of culturally beliefs, influence the current expectations and unity of that entity (sovereignty) ? Or do we expect those wishing to immigrate to these existing expectations, adopt them, as part of the cost of coming into our homes? I stop here :) |
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Title: Re: Mister Robinson....... Post by Eegore on 10/27/19 at 10:55:34 "Now I believe it was you who said laws were not meant to be a deterrent... Am I right about that?" I said laws aren't meant to be exclusively a deterrent. The logic presented was gun laws aren't followed by criminals so we shouldn't have them. So by that logic pedophiles won't stop raping children so we shouldn't have child protection laws. We need a way to prosecute crime consistently and fairly. That's why we have laws. For many it is a deterrent, for others it is no deterrent at all. But to say we should only enact law that will be followed makes zero sense and is a poor argument for stopping legislation. "Do we allow everybody with a differing set of culturally beliefs, influence the current expectations and unity of that entity (sovereignty) ?" Yes, as long as that influence is not criminal. For instance if it's legal to marry at 14 in their country, they can not do that here. But they can attempt to create a law here legalizing marriage at 14 and see how that goes. Also if they are Hindu they do not have to convert to Catholicism if they get a job in a Catholic school in a Catholic neighborhood. "Or do we expect those wishing to immigrate to these existing expectations, adopt them, as part of the cost of coming into our homes?" Why do you choose the phrase "coming into our homes"? That is different if we are talking about accepting immigrants directly into our homes. What "expectations" are you talking about, and are why are they in our homes? As a note I am referring to immigrants as legally in the US and gun laws applicable as they are written and not complete confiscation of every gun from every person in the US. |
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Title: Re: Mister Robinson....... Post by raydawg on 10/27/19 at 11:32:48 Yes, I understand you...... Home, I mean America. Ok, then we should allow openly, and freely, the dialogue that promotes expectations based on a Judeo-Christian belief(s), in striving for a better moralistic society that allows everyone a opportunity to achieve the things in life that are not against our laws? I am not saying the goverment is asking for, or promoting religion acceptance, as doctrine by accepting Christ, etc, no, but the principals of morality found within its teachings? Yes? No, why not? |
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Title: Re: Mister Robinson....... Post by Eegore on 10/27/19 at 11:53:47 "Ok, then we should allow openly, and freely, the dialogue that promotes expectations based on a Judeo-Christian belief(s), in striving for a better moralistic society that allows everyone a opportunity to achieve the things in life that are not against our laws?" We should allow each citizen to openly and freely dialogue in general. I think its completely acceptable for each human, that works in government to apply their religion. I do not think their religion should apply to someone else. Government should not say "Look how good this religion is, and since its a good social tool, you should use this literature to apply your vote and develop policy." So yeah each person can choose to use any religion they desire to create a better government. If the principles of Hinduism are within the "Expectations" then great. |
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Title: Re: Mister Robinson....... Post by raydawg on 10/27/19 at 12:18:56 Ok....then it's WE the people..... who gets to set expectations, NOT politicians who cave to politico pressure, or sell their souls to the highest bidder then, yes? Just to be clear, and I say this as a believer of Jesus Christ, I never want the goverment to sanction, promote, teach, etc, about my faith to me, nor anyone else. If you are on the goverment time clock, I do not want you preaching for, or against, any religion, at all....you must remain neutral, period. Now I also do not want any goverment to restrict my practicing, expressing, or displaying, my faith either, ANYWHERE, public, or private, where others are extended the opportunity to believe, and express, their beliefs, views, feelings, in their lives..... You good with that? |
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Title: Re: Mister Robinson....... Post by Eegore on 10/27/19 at 15:23:49 "Ok....then it's WE the people..... who gets to set expectations, NOT politicians who cave to politico pressure, or sell their souls to the highest bidder then, yes?" In theory yes, but in practice no. The complexity of our political system and economy far outweigh the few people who vote and also do something about that vote. "Now I also do not want any goverment to restrict my practicing, expressing, or displaying, my faith either, ANYWHERE, public, or private, where others are extended the opportunity to believe, and express, their beliefs, views, feelings, in their lives....." Yeah. Where was this even suggested that this wasn't allowed to begin with? I've not seen anyone argue that any one religion should take precedence, or that people should not be allowed to practice their faith, within reason, and within the law. The exception here being the Supreme Court case JoG claims exists that nobody else can find. |
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Title: Re: Mister Robinson....... Post by Serowbot on 10/27/19 at 16:40:08 4D6D6F677A6D080 wrote:
The Supreme Court claims JoG exists but nobody else can find him... Wait,... I read that wrong.... ::) |
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Title: Re: Mister Robinson....... Post by raydawg on 10/27/19 at 17:52:37 political system and economy far outweigh the few people who vote Then using your observation, the economy, Trump is sure to win if it continues unabated.....yes? BTW, of the folks I talk to, this is their #1 concern and reason to vote the way they do.... Me, I'm a oddball, I still like character, and personality, because I really feel the president is mostly a figure head, and not much more...... With that, its why I am not smitten with Trump, but the hate and anger directed toward him makes me even more sick..... Edit: You want to define your within reason? I get the law part, which, I think lots of people think the separation clause prohibits its expression. |
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Title: Re: Mister Robinson....... Post by Mavigogun on 10/27/19 at 21:14:15 392A322F2A3C2C4B0 wrote:
Oh, ya- the people who hate the racist imbecile actively working to fracture our democracy make you sick? Dude, you are broken in a way that can’t be fixed. |
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Title: Re: Mister Robinson....... Post by Eegore on 10/28/19 at 11:15:43 "Then using your observation, the economy, Trump is sure to win if it continues unabated.....yes?" No. I am saying that the entirety of the US political an economic system is too vast to be controlled without substantial input from large corporations or other nations by the current number of US citizens that vote. The Presidency is a very small part of the overall Political system. "You want to define your within reason? I get the law part, which, I think lots of people think the separation clause prohibits its expression." If I create a religion that prohibits clothing I am free to practice it, but not in public and not at work. Are you somehow under the impression that anyone has said religion can not be practiced, within reason, in Government or in public? I'm not sure why we are having this conversation. |
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Title: Re: Mister Robinson....... Post by MnSpring on 10/28/19 at 16:26:02 48686A627F680D0 wrote:
So if a person has no religion/ethics, and they believe they can Kill a Human, until it is completely out of the body of a person that carried it. They can, 'Apply it' ? If a person has a religion that says to throw homosexuals off a roof. They can apply it ? (On and On and On) |
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Title: Re: Mister Robinson....... Post by Eegore on 10/28/19 at 17:58:42 "So if a person has no religion/ethics, and they believe they can Kill a Human, until it is completely out of the body of a person that carried it. They can, 'Apply it' ? If a person has a religion that says to throw homosexuals off a roof. They can apply it ?" No. Why would you even think that? Nothing, as in nobody or zero percent of this discussion has indicated that one can violate law in any way for any reason. No one can violate law. As a matter of fact I very specifically said "within the law" regarding one's individual application of personal belief. Just because a human does not believe killing is wrong does not mean they can violate law. One can not violate law. Violation of law is not allowed. Practice of religion can not circumvent law. The absence of religion can not circumvent law. |
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