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Message started by MnSpring on 10/13/19 at 08:43:13

Title: O’Rourke
Post by MnSpring on 10/13/19 at 08:43:13

WOW the,
UL FDS GBS candidates are just getting Stupider and Stupider !!!!

O’Rourke STILL says things to the like of, ’no need, take away guns’.
THEN the DFI does this, while at Kent State,
The very place where it is, THE, reason, to have the 2nd.

The GOVERNMENT, shot and Killed 4 unarmed students,
and injured 9 because they were protesting something.

(For those of you who want to change/eliminate History, check it out)

Again THANKS, all, UL FDS GBS’s candidates,
who are just getting Stupider and Stupider !!!!
You are showing the Sensible people,
that voting for Trump, is 100 times better than,
voting for a UL FDS GBS’s.

Title: Re: O’Rourke
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/13/19 at 16:21:39

I remember when politicians made Americans PROMISES, talked about what they planned to do FOR America.
How can democrats even pick a candidate to run for president?
All they are doing is threatening Americans with what they are gonna do TO America.

Title: Re: O’Rourke
Post by T And T Garage on 10/14/19 at 06:48:49

627D7B7C61665767576F7D713A080 wrote:

Yeah, because America is fukced up at the moment.

It's run by the highest bidder. You all know it. BOTH sides are bought and paid for. The top 1% pay next to nothing as it pertains to burden. There are subsidies for businesses, yet there are Vets living on the street.

Yeah, unemployment is at an all time low - but in comparison, so are wages.

The economy is NOT robust. We're teetering on another recession. We have an idiot in the white house and the partisan divide is as great as it's ever been.

To quote the Joker - This country needs an enema. Warren and Sanders are holding the bottle and hose.

Title: Re: O’Rourke
Post by MnSpring on 10/14/19 at 17:38:46

4D535C5D504D564B390 wrote:
To quote the Joker

Is that, where you get your, 'news' ?

Title: Re: O’Rourke
Post by T And T Garage on 10/14/19 at 18:11:16

7F5C6142405B5C55320 wrote:

[quote author=4D535C5D504D564B390 link=1570981393/0#2 date=1571060929]
To quote the Joker

Is that, where you get your, 'news' ?
[/quote]

No.

What a stupid question.

It's a quote.

Title: Re: O’Rourke
Post by WebsterMark on 10/15/19 at 04:29:59

The truth is things are going very well right now for a larger percentage of the people than in a long time, if not ever before.

How do I know that? Because we are fighting so hard over issues that are relatively minor and have actual impact on very few people. We are fat and happy. But happy ain't our normal state so we've got to b!tch about something.

Look what my good friend TT says, we're f'd up, run by the highest bidder.
Top 1% pay nothing, Vets on the street, wages low and we're teetering on the edge of recession.

None of that is true, but because he's fat and happy like most of us (certainly everyone on this forum) and living comfortably, its easy to say that.

Prosperity is a double edge sword and we are seeing both sides.

Title: Re: O’Rourke
Post by Eegore on 10/15/19 at 05:50:58

Title: Re: O’Rourke
Post by T And T Garage on 10/15/19 at 06:38:35

142621303726310E223128430 wrote:

No mark, once again, you're completely wrong.

Living where I do, doing what I do and seeing what I see on a daily basis is what motivates me.

The only thing you're right about is that me personally am "fat and happy". But every day I see the effects of the oligarchy mentality that's ruling (and ruining) our country. The poor are made out to be the villains. The general public sees the drug dealers and the thugs in the media and assume that all people of color in depressed areas are the same.(sound familiar mark?) . The facts could not be further from the truth. But far too few care to find out.

I've seen so many small shops close up, food deserts grow and hope being lost by so many it makes my head spin. I've seen PTSD sufferers dismissed because they're accused of "faking it" - and then found out two of those "fakers" committed suicide. I've seen first hand the blatant racism in my own neighborhood (yeah, they're trump supporters). I've also seen how apathy has let CPS schools fall apart in "bad neighborhoods". This is all quite real.

So, since all my kids are now grown and out of the house, I give of my time as much as my schedule allows. The Greater Chicago Food Depository, Avenues for independence, the park district (not in my neighborhood) and few others around the holidays.

I attend school board meetings and ward zoning meetings. I'm trying to make a difference and I think I'm well qualified to make the comments that I do.

So you want to make assumptions about me, then turnabout is fair play, right?

People like you only care about one thing - making money. Profit is all you seek. Well good luck with that. If you're a Christian, I'm sure all that money will serve you well at the "pearly gates". YDGAF about anyone but yourself.

How's that?

Title: Re: O’Rourke
Post by WebsterMark on 10/15/19 at 07:59:30

But every day I see the effects of the oligarchy mentality that's ruling (and ruining) our country. The poor are made out to be the villains. The general public sees the drug dealers and the thugs in the media and assume that all people of color in depressed areas are the same.(sound familiar mark?) . The facts could not be further from the truth. But far too few care to find out.

You don't 'see' that, you 'look' for it.
I don't know anyone who makes the poor out to be villains, who does that?
The vast majority of drug crimes and thugs in my city and yours are unfortunately people of color. You ignore the obvious I guess in an attempt to make yourself feel better or something but it doesn't do any good.

I've seen so many small shops close up Retail shops are closing everywhere because of the internet and easier on line shopping.
Who accused PTSD of faking it?
You see blatant racism from Trump supporters because again, you're looking for it and ignore it otherwise. One of the interesting things that came out of the who Michael Brown / Ferguson debacle is the corruptness of the municipalities who were fleecing their fellow black Americans blind. Sort of like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton etc.... But again, you can't see that.

Good for you. Keep doing that work. For God's sake however, find some way to get out of jury duty. You'd automatically convict someone if you knew their politics or like Christine Ford, you'd automatically believe their lies if they were a fellow leftist, regardless how ridicules they were.

People like you only care about one thing - making money. Profit is all you seek. Not at all. I've had numerous opportunities to make a lot more money but I don't want the work that comes with it. Owning a large business is hard. I'm content to make what I do doing what I do. I like my downtime. You could not be more wrong in that regard. I honestly have no idea how much money I have in the bank right now. I couldn't tell you what my taxable income was last year.

And only one thing serves you well at the Pearly Gates. One thing and one thing only.

Title: Re: O’Rourke
Post by WebsterMark on 10/15/19 at 08:03:25

1434363E2334510 wrote:

"None of that is true, but because he's fat and happy like most of us (certainly everyone on this forum) and living comfortably, its easy to say that."

I think it might be excessive to say there are no Veterans on the street, and that wages are keeping up with inflation. Almost anyone on the street is by definition suffering from some type of mental illness. The economy is available enough that anyone with full mental capacities should be able to succeed assuming common sense decisions have been made.
I think this group complains about the same thing over and over because its easier than actively solving problems in our own communities. Who says we don't work to solve problems in our own community? You don't know what I do. We don't talk about community building standards on here, we talk about abstract and national political issues that for the most part, don't impact us at all.
That could be due to laziness, health, economic or pretty much any reason so it's not meant to judge.

Title: Re: O’Rourke
Post by T And T Garage on 10/15/19 at 08:18:15

0D3F38292E3F28173B28315A0 wrote:

But every day I see the effects of the oligarchy mentality that's ruling (and ruining) our country. The poor are made out to be the villains. The general public sees the drug dealers and the thugs in the media and assume that all people of color in depressed areas are the same.(sound familiar mark?) . The facts could not be further from the truth. But far too few care to find out.

You don't 'see' that, you 'look' for it. You have no clue what I do.
I don't know anyone who makes the poor out to be villains, who does that?
You do! You have on several occasions.

The vast majority of drug crimes and thugs in my city and yours are unfortunately people of color. You ignore the obvious I guess in an attempt to make yourself feel better or something but it doesn't do any good.

It's got nothing to do with the color of their skin. It's got everything to do with how they're treated BECAUSE of the color of their skin.

I've seen so many small shops close up Retail shops are closing everywhere because of the internet and easier on line shopping.
Who accused PTSD of faking it? Bigots with attitudes of "pull yourself up from your bootstraps". I've seen it firsthand.

You see blatant racism from Trump supporters because again, you're looking for it and ignore it otherwise. No mark, I know of several guys in my neighborhood who are trump supporters and they're the first one to make a reference to "the shines"... or "hey, did you hear about the n!gger that did such and such?...."
Don't tell me what I see and don't see.

One of the interesting things that came out of the who Michael Brown / Ferguson debacle is the corruptness of the municipalities who were fleecing their fellow black Americans blind. Sort of like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton etc.... But again, you can't see that.

BS - I see all of that. In fact, I praised Mayor Lightfoot in how she's handling the CPD and the DA's office. Pay attention.

Good for you. Keep doing that work. For God's sake however, find some way to get out of jury duty. You'd automatically convict someone if you knew their politics or like Christine Ford, you'd automatically believe their lies if they were a fellow leftist, regardless how ridicules they were.

Yeah, too late. I've been on a Grand Jury and have served jury duty more than once. Unlike so many, I don't convict by looks. Go watch 12 Angry Men.

People like you only care about one thing - making money. Profit is all you seek. Not at all. I've had numerous opportunities to make a lot more money but I don't want the work that comes with it. Owning a large business is hard. I'm content to make what I do doing what I do. I like my downtime. You could not be more wrong in that regard. I honestly have no idea how much money I have in the bank right now. I couldn't tell you what my taxable income was last year.

And only one thing serves you well at the Pearly Gates. One thing and one thing only.

- You seem to think it's money... good luck.

Title: Re: O’Rourke
Post by MnSpring on 10/15/19 at 08:25:26

4A545B5A574A514C3E0 wrote:

I attend school board meetings and ward zoning meetings.
I'm well qualified to make the comments that I do

LOLOLOOLOLOL
Reminds me of Molly ………

Many years ago, Molly, from the big city, moved into a small town, 45 min from the big city.
I had been teaching F.S.T.C. for a number of years then.
The spring class, was held in the High School building because at that time it was to cold to take them to the Quonset ‘club house’ at the range.

Molly’s son brought home a flier, which he took down from the schools bulletin board, it announced the F.S.T. class times.
(Thus depriving other students from seeing that, great ethics that Molly taught him)
Molly went to a school board meeting, when she got to the podium, she, DEMANDED, that the school should Not allow the ‘Gun Club’ to teach about gun Safety.

Rather sure that Molly believed she was well qualified to make comments.

tt, are you like Molly when you go to School Board Meetings ?

(F.S.T.C. / Firearm Safety Training Class)

Title: Re: O’Rourke
Post by T And T Garage on 10/15/19 at 08:38:20

6C4F725153484F46210 wrote:

[quote author=4A545B5A574A514C3E0 link=1570981393/0#7 date=1571146715]
I attend school board meetings and ward zoning meetings.
I'm well qualified to make the comments that I do

Title: Re: O’Rourke
Post by MnSpring on 10/15/19 at 08:48:34

627C73727F627964160 wrote:

FYI - I took Hunter's Safety in 4th grade. I was taught to respect guns and hunting.

Title: Re: O’Rourke
Post by WebsterMark on 10/15/19 at 08:51:39

You don't 'see' that, you 'look' for it. You have no clue what I do.
I don't know anyone who makes the poor out to be villains, who does that?
You do! You have on several occasions.

Villains? Nope.

Title: Re: O’Rourke
Post by Eegore on 10/15/19 at 09:02:42

"Who says we don't work to solve problems in our own community?"

Nobody. I said it is easier to type it here than to do something out there. This may not be true for everyone but for me talking into a microphone is easier than leaving the house.

You don't know what I do.

I did not say I did.

"We don't talk about community building standards on here, we talk about abstract and national political issues that for the most part, don't impact us at all."

Right. Also there are a lot of complaints that go on for years that are complaints, not discussion. Complaining, and specifically complaining is what I am talking about.

Title: Re: O’Rourke
Post by WebsterMark on 10/15/19 at 09:02:47

Title: Re: O’Rourke
Post by Eegore on 10/15/19 at 09:06:45

"So is it a perfectly natural and sensible response we have to cross the street for one and not the other or is it some form of racism?"

It can be both but it does not require both.

It's no different than the multitude of studies done with a person falling down, asking for money or laying on the ground.

Clothing has more to do with outcomes than race, perception of events has more to do with both, such as laying on the ground asking for help one with a liquor bottle in his hand, one without.

Race falls somewhere as a supporting factor in each assessment.

Title: Re: O’Rourke
Post by T And T Garage on 10/15/19 at 09:59:02

7D5E634042595E57300 wrote:

[quote author=627C73727F627964160 link=1570981393/0#12 date=1571153900]
FYI - I took Hunter's Safety in 4th grade. I was taught to respect guns and hunting.

Really, apparently you were reading a comic book and not paying attention.
(Like, 'Sweet Sunday Gone' or 'The Last Shot')

Because you did not learn,
it is the PERSON that pulls the trigger.

So you can STFU now, thanks.

Is that what the school board and ward zoning board says to you.
When you make comments that you are,
'well qualified to' ????

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
[/quote]

So, tell us all again how there are "many, many" ways to get a serial number off a gun when it's been filed off....lol

You're a self-proclaimed expert. And with that, I consider the source as being woefully unqualified.

You're welcome.

Title: Re: O’Rourke
Post by T And T Garage on 10/15/19 at 10:05:05

350700111607102F031009620 wrote:

It's got nothing to do with the color of their skin. It's got everything to do with how they're treated BECAUSE of the color of their skin.

Herein is the key to solving many problems, but the difficulties in overcoming the concepts above are darn near impossible.

This is a variation of the somewhat hypothetical question: Do you cross the street if you see someone who looks _________ coming your way. Fill in the blank.
Victoria Secret Model? No.
White man in a suite? No
Black man in a suite? No
White man dress as a thug? (insert whatever dress you consider that to be?
Black man dress as the same thug?

Truth is; virtually everyone in the communicates we all live in are yes to the last question and split on the second to last question. If you answer no to both, you're lying.

And thank you for proving my point 100%! The communities you live in. Not the 85% that don't.

That's just simply NOT the way it is mark.

You're so woefully ignorant and obtuse it's pathetic.

99% of the conservatives I know are exactly the same way.

You were all brought up to scold the "welfare queens" that ronnie made up and you never cared to find out what's really going on. the "blacks are making hard on themselves" and the "why don't they just move out" mentality is what makes you feel better about yourselves and does nothing to change the problem.

The big question is why? The simple answer is self preservation. But the deeper answer is why one but maybe not the other.
For many of us in major cities, we know the vast, vast majority of violent crime is predominately cause by black Americans. So is it a perfectly natural and sensible response we have to cross the street for one and not the other or is it some form of racism?

So sad that you can't see how racist that last paragraph is.

No surprise, just terribly sad.

Title: Re: O’Rourke
Post by WebsterMark on 10/15/19 at 10:41:41

I see you didn't answer.
You'd cross the street like the rest of us. Now, why?

Title: Re: O’Rourke
Post by T And T Garage on 10/15/19 at 10:47:36

093B3C2D2A3B2C133F2C355E0 wrote:

I see you didn't answer.
You'd cross the street like the rest of us. Now, why?

It's a bullsh!t question.

Have you stopped beating your wife?

See how that works?

Title: Re: O’Rourke
Post by WebsterMark on 10/15/19 at 10:52:26

Not at all. The would you cross the street question is valid.

Let me put it another way. Thos Friday or Saturday night, late, you and tje misses wanna go out for a bit. You telling me you're fine with heading down to the Fuller Park neighborhood and popping in a local bar for a brew?

Title: Re: O’Rourke
Post by T And T Garage on 10/15/19 at 11:43:00

1E2C2B3A3D2C3B04283B22490 wrote:

LOL, like you've been to Fuller Park? (doubtful) How about Englewood? How about Lawndale or Garfield?

But to answer your question - no, I wouldn't go there for a "brew". First off, it's way out of my way, and second, yes, it's a bad neighborhood. Not because of "the blacks", but because of the poverty and the gangs. This all goes back to that whole mentality of "it's their own fault". The CPD is outmatched and it can't get enough people on the beat because of the budget. That, and institutional racism. I live with a lot of cops and firemen and sadly, there is a lot of racism in their ranks.

This is what happens to neighborhoods like that. They get left behind. They don't get aldermanic support and they fall apart. The money that should go there, always seems to find its way to other projects. Like I keep saying, I've seen this firsthand.

I've been to all the near west, near south neighborhoods at one time or another. Not as some "observer" going to "see how bad things are", but doing work and working with the people living there.

Suffice it to say, when I'm on a street at night, I don't cross it to avoid someone I don't like the look of. More often than not, I'm the guy that says hi.

BTW, I've been to the United Center quite a few times late at night (by myself and with buddies), and it's in a pretty poor neighborhood. Never had a major problem.

Title: Re: O’Rourke
Post by WebsterMark on 10/15/19 at 12:30:32

Have I ever been to Fuller Park? Hell no. Why would I?

You wouldn't go there because its potentially dangerous just like we'd all 'cross the street'. That's common sense.

Today in most major cities, the vast, vast majority of crime is coming from inner cities which are predominately black. So by default, certainly not fair, any black man is viewed with suspicion if he fits a certain look. You do it the same as anyone else does. Don't pretend otherwise.

Everyone agrees what the current situation is. What to do is the tricky part. You say these neighborhoods get left behind, but why? Racism certainly exist, but is that really why? Racism is why they get left behind?

Title: Re: O’Rourke
Post by WebsterMark on 10/15/19 at 12:32:30

BTW, I've been to the United Center quite a few times late at night (by myself and with buddies), and it's in a pretty poor neighborhood. Never had a major problem. Big deal, that's not the same thing. You're another water buffalo going to the watering hole with 20,000 other buffalo. You have no fear of lions. That's kinda like saying some of my best friends are black...

Title: Re: O’Rourke
Post by T And T Garage on 10/15/19 at 13:00:17

5E6C6B7A7D6C7B44687B62090 wrote:

Have I ever been to Fuller Park? Hell no. Why would I?

You wouldn't go there because its potentially dangerous just like we'd all 'cross the street'. That's common sense.

Wrong, I've been there. I'd never go at night "sightseeing". Huge difference.

Today in most major cities, the vast, vast majority of crime is coming from inner cities which are predominately black. So by default, certainly not fair, any black man is viewed with suspicion if he fits a certain look. You do it the same as anyone else does. Don't pretend otherwise.

LOL - by YOU, not the 85% of other people who think rationally. You are a racist. Full Stop. You just proved it by your statement.

There is only one commonality in ghettos - poverty.

Here - why don't you take a look at these - they might actually open your eyes:

http://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674951914

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/10/12/opinion/columbus-day-italian-american-racism.html?fbclid=IwAR33DRrL7atdiwlUTR7I-6SllZT26GaN_5tIOXmq923tt3dfomhSX5phOXs

http://www.amazon.com/Working-Toward-Whiteness-Americas-Immigrants/dp/0465070744

Everyone agrees what the current situation is. What to do is the tricky part. You say these neighborhoods get left behind, but why? Racism certainly exist, but is that really why? Racism is why they get left behind?

Yes and yes. It's been shown that an identical resume, except for the name (one with something like "Tom Smith" and one with "Andre Jackson") are almost always biased towards the more "white sounding" of the two.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-bias-hiring-0504-biz-20160503-story.html

When you have the alt-right shouting "Jews will not replace us" - how can you even ask that question?

Title: Re: O’Rourke
Post by T And T Garage on 10/15/19 at 13:05:57

774542535445526D41524B200 wrote:

No, it's not. I'm not talking about when I was at the stadium, I mean being in the neighborhood. In taking the Blue line, you're a few blocks from the safety of others, especially when you wait for the crowd to thin. And I've done it more than once by myself. Yeah, I've gotten hassled, once or twice, but nothing of any consequence.

But then, what the hell do you care? You'll never know what it's like in those neighborhoods.

Title: Re: O’Rourke
Post by MnSpring on 10/15/19 at 13:57:32

2A343B3A372A312C5E0 wrote:

you have the alt-right shouting "Jews will not replace us" -

Have no doubt that some have said that.
And YOU say it is Racist.

Yet when Democratic Protesters say:
“Kill A Cop”
perfectly OK,
(OK, with thumb and forefinger tips touching, and the other 3 fingers, Up, Down, Forward, Backwards Sideways, or Waving)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Vf22N1_8nE
If you are are in a hurry, start at 2.00.
tt never mind, don't watch, you are not interested in the TRUTH.

Title: Re: O’Rourke
Post by T And T Garage on 10/15/19 at 14:05:59

2C0F321113080F06610 wrote:

[quote author=2A343B3A372A312C5E0 link=1570981393/15#26 date=1571169617] you have the alt-right shouting "Jews will not replace us" -

Have no doubt that some have said that.
And YOU say it is Racist.

They have - it's on video here:
http://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2017/10/10/when-white-nationalists-chant-their-weird-slogans-what-do-they-mean

Yet when Democratic Protesters say:
“Kill A Cop”
perfectly OK,
(OK, with thumb and forefinger tips touching, and the other 3 fingers, Up, Down, Forward, Backwards Sideways, or Waving)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Vf22N1_8nE
If you are are in a hurry, start at 2.00.
tt never mind, don't watch, you are not interested in the TRUTH.
[/quote]

Did I say that it was OK? Did I? Did Sero? Did Thumper? Did ANYONE on here say it was OK?

Do you ever answer a question directly?

If not, then STFU.

Title: Re: O’Rourke
Post by WebsterMark on 10/15/19 at 14:18:12

You wouldn't go there because its potentially dangerous just like we'd all 'cross the street'. That's common sense.

Wrong, I've been there. I'd never go at night "sightseeing". Huge difference.

But is it?....

Title: Re: O’Rourke
Post by WebsterMark on 10/15/19 at 14:22:06

Today in most major cities, the vast, vast majority of crime is coming from inner cities which are predominately black. So by default, certainly not fair, any black man is viewed with suspicion if he fits a certain look. You do it the same as anyone else does. Don't pretend otherwise.

LOL - by YOU, not the 85% of other people who think rationally. You are a racist. Full Stop. You just proved it by your statement.

If you're going to try and tell me you're different than everyone, you're either blatantly lying or so foolish you actually believe you act differently than you do. I'm betting on the blatantly lying scenario.

Title: Re: O’Rourke
Post by MnSpring on 10/15/19 at 14:24:21

756B646568756E73010 wrote:

Did I say that it was OK?

Yep, Many times you have said you SUPPORT the Ideals of ANTIFA.
Many Times !

To head off your Spinning.
'But No Violence'
No, Antifa did not Kill any Cops.
Yet that is one of the many, 'ideals' of Antifa.
And YOU, support, Antifa's Ideals.

As you have said, many, Many, MANY times !!!!!!

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: O’Rourke
Post by WebsterMark on 10/15/19 at 14:29:50

Title: Re: O’Rourke
Post by WebsterMark on 10/15/19 at 14:30:53

And not that it matters, but I am not racist. But if it makes you feel better to think, then go ahead.

Title: Re: O’Rourke
Post by T And T Garage on 10/15/19 at 14:31:01

70536E4D4F54535A3D0 wrote:

[quote author=756B646568756E73010 link=1570981393/15#29 date=1571173559]Did I say that it was OK?

Yep, Many times you have said you SUPPORT the Ideals of ANTIFA.
Many Times !

Yeah, the ideals, not the violence.

To head off your Spinning.
'But No Violence'
No, Antifa did not Kill any Cops.
Yet that is one of the many, 'ideals' of Antifa.
And YOU, support, Antifa's Ideals.

No, it's not. Not even close. But what does the truth matter to you?

As you have said, many, Many, MANY times !!!!!!

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
[/quote]

But hey, I'm glad that I'm living in your head rent free.

LOL

Title: Re: O’Rourke
Post by T And T Garage on 10/15/19 at 14:34:19

360403121504132C00130A610 wrote:

Yes and yes. It's been shown that an identical resume, except for the name (one with something like "Tom Smith" and one with "Andre Jackson") are almost always biased towards the more "white sounding" of the two.

Yea, that's true.
But that's kinda my point. My friend (what....Web's got a black friend!!) will admit he's been stopped plenty of times because he's black but he's fully aware he's stopped because unfortunately most blacks are committing violent crimes so there's a prejudice in the minds of officers.
Prejudices is not racist.

LMAO - what? Racism is racism. There is no "flavor". The only reason he's getting pulled over is the color of his skin. That's not 'prejudice" - that's racism.

Those are the unfortunate facts and as long as people like you want to take the easy way out and blame 100% on one thing (and in the case of your little pea brain, one political party) we are in for a long haul...

And therein lies the problem. Too many who think like you. Too many that say "well, that's just the way it is".

Bullsh!t. 100% bullsh!t.

Yeah, nice name calling. Pretty lame little guy....lame, but not unexpected.

Title: Re: O’Rourke
Post by T And T Garage on 10/15/19 at 14:35:36

142621303726310E223128430 wrote:

And not that it matters, but I am not racist. But if it makes you feel better to think, then go ahead.

....Said pretty much every racist guy I know.

"Hey, buddy, I got a joke for you... not that I'm a racist, but this n!gger walks into a bar....."

SMH

Title: Re: O’Rourke
Post by MnSpring on 10/15/19 at 14:56:21

362827262B362D30420 wrote:
... not that I'm a racist, but this n!gger walks into a bar....."

Is that the same bar, that You,
'never go at night'

Title: Re: O’Rourke
Post by MnSpring on 10/15/19 at 14:59:42

7A646B6A677A617C0E0 wrote:
Hey, buddy,

Did you not say, you are, not, WM's, 'buddy' ?????

Yet here you are, saying, 'BUDDY", in a reply to WM .

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: O’Rourke
Post by raydawg on 10/15/19 at 15:03:12

Hi buddy :-*

Title: Re: O’Rourke
Post by MnSpring on 10/15/19 at 15:15:02

687B637E7B6D7D1A0 wrote:
Hi buddy :-*

Hi !

It's clear you are not talking to tt because:

392728292439223F4D0 wrote:

since you're seemingly too afraid to address me directly,

you, according to him, are, afraid to address him.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D ;D :D ;D

Title: Re: O’Rourke
Post by T And T Garage on 10/15/19 at 15:22:59

6744795A5843444D2A0 wrote:

[quote author=362827262B362D30420 link=1570981393/30#37 date=1571175336]... not that I'm a racist, but this n!gger walks into a bar....."

Is that the same bar, that You,
'never go at night'
[/quote]

Nicely done mn - making fun of racism.

You're fitting in well with your buddies.....

Title: Re: O’Rourke
Post by T And T Garage on 10/15/19 at 15:24:30

1734092A2833343D5A0 wrote:

[quote author=7A646B6A677A617C0E0 link=1570981393/30#37 date=1571175336]
Hey, buddy,

Did you not say, you are, not, WM's, 'buddy' ?????

Yet here you are, saying, 'BUDDY", in a reply to WM .

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
[/quote]

It's got nothing to do with mark.

I'm using that as an example.

Of course, you have no idea how to wrap your head around that....

Sowwy.

Title: Re: O’Rourke
Post by WebsterMark on 10/15/19 at 15:25:14

LMAO - what? Racism is racism. There is no "flavor". The only reason he's getting pulled over is the color of his skin. That's not 'prejudice" - that's racism.

You are honestly one of the most narrow minded people I've ever had any regular exchange with. Seriously. Pardon the pun but you don't seem to have an ability to see anything but black and white.

Tell you what, I think I'll leave you be. I bother with you as a distraction to busy days, but since I've moved into a different role at work and have less time, the limited time I do have can surely be used better than with you. I've learned something from everyone on here. Sew, Eegore, Jog, Ray, MnSpring..... but you deliver nothing of value to me. TTFN.

Title: Re: O’Rourke
Post by T And T Garage on 10/15/19 at 15:25:39

2C0F321113080F06610 wrote:

[quote author=687B637E7B6D7D1A0 link=1570981393/30#40 date=1571176992]Hi buddy :-*

Hi !

It's clear you are not talking to tt because:

392728292439223F4D0 wrote:

since you're seemingly too afraid to address me directly,

you, according to him, are, afraid to address him.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D ;D :D ;D
[/quote]

Aww, look at you, mn.

You're hanging on my every word.

So happy to live in your head rent free!

LMAO!

Title: Re: O’Rourke
Post by T And T Garage on 10/15/19 at 15:32:44

685A5D4C4B5A4D725E4D543F0 wrote:

LMAO - what? Racism is racism. There is no "flavor". The only reason he's getting pulled over is the color of his skin. That's not 'prejudice" - that's racism.

You are honestly one of the most narrow minded people I've ever had any regular exchange with. Seriously. Pardon the pun but you don't seem to have an ability to see anything but black and white.

LMAO - and you don't seem to know the difference between prejudice and racism.

Tell you what, I think I'll leave you be. I bother with you as a distraction to busy days, but since I've moved into a different role at work and have less time, the limited time I do have can surely be used better than with you. I've learned something from everyone on here. Sew, Eegore, Jog, Ray, MnSpring..... but you deliver nothing of value to me. TTFN.

Well mark, I've got news for you.

I don't care.

Your input here is inconsequential to me. To put it bluntly, you mean nothing to me.

I care as much for your input as any other stranger I'll never meet.

Try not to place yourself too high up.

After all, it's you and mn that constantly call me out on posts where I've never commented. You can say what you want about me not having an affect on you, but anyone can see it's a lie.

Proving once again, that you practice classic projection. Much like most of the conservatives I personally know.

So you see, there's no reason for you to explain why you're going.

Just go.

Title: Re: O’Rourke
Post by Mavigogun on 10/16/19 at 06:44:21

370502131405122D01120B600 wrote:

The truth is things are going very well right now for a larger percentage of the people than in a long time, if not ever before.

I don't really see the point of pretending any sort of discussion is taking place when pontificating from atop steaming piles of hyperbolic feces, such as the above quote.

Life expectancies for US citizens has FALLEN for the first time in my lifetime. Maternal mortality is up. Child poverty is up. Home ownership is down. Record numbers of graduates have returned to their parents for shelter. Racists have been emboldened to rally in our streets, and within government. Our nation is in the midsts of a Constitutional crisis, and cultural civil war.

...yet folks like Mark steadfastly cling to rose colored blinders, contort themselves into an integrity pretzel to claim folks taking time to raise their voice is evidence that everything is great. That depth of self delusion is unbelievably sad. Pride is a strange thing- it will prompt a parent to send a child out in a suicide vest to avenge the death of their sibling... or otherwise bright people to lobotomize their critical faculties, ignore the fire burning in their own house. It's just crazy.

Title: Re: O’Rourke
Post by Mavigogun on 10/16/19 at 07:06:47

7B494E5F58495E614D5E472C0 wrote:

My friend (what....Web's got a black friend!!) will admit he's been stopped plenty of times because he's black but he's fully aware he's stopped because unfortunately most blacks are committing violent crimes so there's a prejudice in the minds of officers. *snip*

Those are the unfortunate facts-

It strikes me that such a bold and obvious lie as “most blacks are committing violent crimes” would be so quickly followed with a self affirmation that the lie is a “fact”. It came as no surprise, then, for this to follow-

467473626574635C70637A110 wrote:

And not that it matters, but I am not racist.

While that may be true, you do yourself no favors by talking like one. Frankly, it's best to leave such assessments up to other people.

Title: Re: O’Rourke
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/16/19 at 07:24:31

U.S. life expectancy declines for the first time since ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health...
Dec 08, 2016 · For the first time in more than two decades, life expectancy for Americans declined last year — a troubling development linked to a panoply of worsening health problems in the United States.

Stop pretending the things you've seen happened after Trump.
Note, twenty years ago, you weren't born yet.

Title: Re: O’Rourke
Post by Mavigogun on 10/16/19 at 08:15:22

544B4D4A5750615161594B470C3E0 wrote:

Trends may be distorted or ill apprehended when outsized granularity is applied to consideration. A trend line looks like a Richter scale on close examination- pundits love to zoom in to illustrate a lie, only to shrink back when the lie is made plain by a broader view.

Justin suggests using declining life expectancy as example of a not great thing is an example of such a lie. That conclusion presumes my standard is highly granular. Well, it ain’t. Yes, there have been transient dips over the last 50 years. A passing staccato is not worthy of citation. Transient is not where we are at today, and our sampling is not restricted to our view in late 2016- rather, a sustained divergence is evident.

It was not suggested by me that the regression in life expectancy trends was instigated by the 2016 election- but, since you mention it, the results may have been symptomatic of discontent with trends at the time, generally. The statistics only affirmed the sense of growing sickness. As to the continuation of that trend, efforts to dismantle mechanisms of the Affordable Care Act surely contribute.

The proposition was, to paraphrase, “everything is awesome”. Well, it ain’t- and sustained life expectancy regression is most definitely one example of “not awesome”.

Title: Re: O’Rourke
Post by verslagen1 on 10/16/19 at 08:32:57

Gives credence to the politics makes you sick post.