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Title: Show Me Yours Post by T And T Garage on 10/07/19 at 09:54:08 Finally, we might see what trump's been trying to hide these last 3 years... Judge orders Trump to hand over tax returns to NY prosecutors, blasts 'repugnant' immunity claim NEW YORK (Reuters) - A federal judge on Monday said U.S. President Donald Trump must hand over eight years of tax returns to Manhattan prosecutors, forcefully rejecting the president's argument that he was immune from criminal investigations. Trump's immunity claim was "repugnant to the nation's governmental structure and constitutional values," U.S. District Judge Victor Marrero wrote in a 75-page decision. "The court cannot square a vision of presidential immunity that would place the President above the law," Marrero added. Trump quickly filed an emergency appeal to the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Manhattan, which temporarily blocked Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance from enforcing the subpoena, citing the "unique issues" in the case. Marrero's decision would have forced Trump's longtime accounting firm Mazars USA to start turning over documents on Monday afternoon. The decision further complicates Trump's battle to keep his finances under wraps, despite having promised during his 2016 White House run that he would disclose his tax returns. Vance, a Democrat, had subpoenaed personal and corporate tax returns from 2011 to 2018 and other records from Mazars, as part of a criminal probe into the president and his family business. "The Radical Left Democrats have failed on all fronts, so now they are pushing local New York City and State Democrat prosecutors to go get President Trump," Trump, a Republican, tweeted after Marrero's decision. "A thing like this has never happened to any President before. Not even close!" HOUSE PROBE In suing Vance last month to block the subpoena, Trump argued that he was immune from criminal probes while in office, and the U.S. Constitution required Vance to wait until after he left the White House. Trump is separately trying to block Deutsche Bank AG <DBKGn.DE> from handing over financial records, which the bank has said include tax returns, sought by multiple U.S. House of Representatives committees. Those probes is separate from the debate over whether Trump should be impeached because of his dealings with Ukraine. The 2nd Circuit appeals court heard oral arguments in the Deutsche Bank case on Aug. 23. It has yet to rule. Jay Sekulow, a lawyer for Trump, said he was pleased the subpoena would not be enforced immediately. Danny Frost, a spokesman for Vance, declined to comment. Both sides proposed schedules to allow oral arguments in Trump's appeal later this month. Mazars did not respond to requests for comment, but has said it would comply with its legal obligations. The U.S. Department of Justice, which opposed Vance's bid to dismiss Trump's case, declined to comment. 'OVERREACH OF EXECUTIVE POWER' Marrero, who was appointed by Democratic President Bill Clinton, declined to assert jurisdiction over the Vance subpoena, saying Trump should have brought his case in a New York state court. The judge, however, made clear that if the appeals court disagreed with that finding, Trump should lose. Marrero said Trump failed to show that enforcing the subpoena would interfere with his presidential duties, cause irreparable harm or be against the public interest. He also rejected as too broad the idea that the president, his family and his businesses should be shielded from criminal process. "The expansive notion of constitutional immunity invoked here to shield the President from judicial process would constitute an overreach of executive power," Marrero wrote. Marrero said even President Richard Nixon had conceded during the Watergate scandal that he would be required to produce documents in response to a judicial subpoena. In seeking a stay, Trump's lawyers said the case raised "momentous" questions about the president's immunity and that complying with the subpoena would cause irreversible damage. "There will be no way to unscramble the egg scrambled by the disclosure," Trump's lawyers said. Vance issued the subpoena four weeks after issuing another subpoena to the Trump Organization for records of hush money payments, including to two women prior to the 2016 election who said they had sexual relationships with Trump, which he denies. This ought to be good. :D |
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Title: Re: Show Me Yours Post by MnSpring on 10/07/19 at 10:17:54 5F414E4F425F44592B0 wrote:
I wonder why, if someone sneaked into this Country, was caught, many people, places, local governments, believe they are, 'above the law' |
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Title: Re: Show Me Yours Post by T And T Garage on 10/07/19 at 10:50:44 4F6C5172706B6C65020 wrote:
I wonder why, if someone sneaked into this Country, was caught, many people, places, local governments, believe they are, 'above the law'[/quote] That's not true. Also, it has nothing to do with the OP. |
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Title: Re: Show Me Yours Post by MnSpring on 10/07/19 at 11:54:07 687679787568736E1C0 wrote:
Really ? "(ICE) officers would soon begin enforcement actions to remove illegal immigrants who have been issued final deportation orders by a federal judge. Those same Democrats and the rest of their party delivered a clear and unified message. "It's so appalling, it's outside the circle of civilized human behavior," said Pelosi. "The Trump administration's cruelty runs bone-deep. A Warren administration will not rip families apart to try and score political points," said Warren. "The aim is to scare immigrant communities. ... And so, he's going to ... do these raids which is a crime against humanity," said Harris. "We are on your side, we stand with you together," Durbin told activists protesting ICE enforcement. "It's really designed to strike fear into people at a moment when fear is something we've got way too much of in this country," said Buttigieg." http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0719/thiessen071719.php3 (And SO MANY More examples !!!) |
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Title: Re: Show Me Yours Post by T And T Garage on 10/07/19 at 11:57:02 01221F3C3E25222B4C0 wrote:
To repeat - That's not true. Also, it has nothing to do with the OP. |
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Title: Re: Show Me Yours Post by MnSpring on 10/07/19 at 12:09:08 5A444B4A475A415C2E0 wrote:
What was that you always say ? 'Just because YOU say something, does NOT make it true' ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D |
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Title: Re: Show Me Yours Post by MnSpring on 10/07/19 at 12:11:37 322C23222F322934460 wrote:
Really, Why is one, 'above the law', and another, not ? Please explain, With something other than, 'not true'. |
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Title: Re: Show Me Yours Post by T And T Garage on 10/07/19 at 12:14:33 5675486B6972757C1B0 wrote:
Really, Why is one, 'above the law', and another, not ? Please explain, With something other than, 'not true'. [/quote] Because the illegal immigrants are not being put above the law. Now - care to comment on donny's tax returns? |
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Title: Re: Show Me Yours Post by MnSpring on 10/07/19 at 13:06:37 425C53525F425944360 wrote:
Truly unfortunate you lack the ability to read ! "...prohibits officers from confirming individuals’ immigration status and detaining them based solely on civil violations of immigration law...." "...Virginia officer suspended for turning driver over to ICE..." "...detained one of the drivers who was suspected of being undocumented and alerted ICE officials..." And, don't be so LAZY, and look up yourself all the reports of, Illegal's Above The Law. |
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Title: Re: Show Me Yours Post by T And T Garage on 10/07/19 at 13:34:56 7655684B4952555C3B0 wrote:
Truly unfortunate you lack the ability to read ! "...prohibits officers from confirming individuals’ immigration status and detaining them based solely on civil violations of immigration law...." "...Virginia officer suspended for turning driver over to ICE..." "...detained one of the drivers who was suspected of being undocumented and alerted ICE officials..." And, don't be so LAZY, and look up yourself all the reports of, Illegal's Above The Law. [/quote] Sorry mn, as much as you hate the illegals, they still have rights. That's what makes this country great. Womp womp.... |
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Title: Re: Show Me Yours Post by MnSpring on 10/07/19 at 13:44:19 534D42434E534855270 wrote:
I missed that, Can YOU tell us all, exactaly when, illegals, received, the 'right' to be above the law ? |
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Title: Re: Show Me Yours Post by T And T Garage on 10/07/19 at 14:23:16 1F3C0122203B3C35520 wrote:
I missed that, Can YOU tell us all, exactaly when, illegals, received, the 'right' to be above the law ? [/quote] They are not above the law. Having rights as a person is not the same as "above the law". http://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-constitutional-rights-do-undocumented-immigrants-have So... are you ever going to address the OP? |
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Title: Re: Show Me Yours Post by MnSpring on 10/07/19 at 14:51:36 657B747578657E63110 wrote:
Correct, a Illegal is NOT, 'above the law' (Nice deflection BTW) http://www.pbs.org/... Did read the link you posted from a severely TDS site. Can you point me to the place where it says, 'Illegals are Above The Law' ? So... are you ever going to address the OP? Did several times. The 'op' said the POTUS is not above the law, I have asked why, Illegals, Are Above The Law ! Because it is very clear that numerous places, protect, shelter, illegals. And punishes anyone that violates that Protection. That, is clearly, 'Above The Law'. |
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Title: Re: Show Me Yours Post by Eegore on 10/07/19 at 14:51:59 Regarding Trumps taxes given his pre-election international business affiliations if I were a competing multi billion dollar business I imagine I would never want my tax returns in my competitors hands, but would absolutely love for my financial team to have everyone else's. This message dictated on outdated mobile tech in a high ambient noise environment in encrypted airspace if this all comes out as garbage I apologize. 1 one |
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Title: Re: Show Me Yours Post by T And T Garage on 10/07/19 at 15:04:33 6F4C7152504B4C45220 wrote:
Correct, a Illegal is NOT, 'above the law' (Nice deflection BTW) http://www.pbs.org/... Did read the link you posted from a severely TDS site. That site simply reported what's in the Constitution - there is no "tds". Nice deflection....lol Can you point me to the place where it says, 'Illegals are Above The Law' ? No - because they AREN'T. So... are you ever going to address the OP? Did several times. The 'op' said the POTUS is not above the law, I have asked why, Illegals, Are Above The Law ! That's not the point... but I'll ask - Is the POTUS above the law? Because it is very clear that numerous places, protect, shelter, illegals. And punishes anyone that violates that Protection. That, is clearly, 'Above The Law'. Again, sorry to burst your bubble mn, but illegals have certain rights in this country. [/quote] |
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Title: Re: Show Me Yours Post by T And T Garage on 10/07/19 at 15:07:05 1737353D2037520 wrote:
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Title: Re: Show Me Yours Post by MnSpring on 10/07/19 at 15:35:24 243A353439243F22500 wrote:
Again can you direct me to the, 'Right', that says, 'Illegals are above the law' |
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Title: Re: Show Me Yours Post by Eegore on 10/07/19 at 16:51:02 'Of course. However, when you're president, you give up certain things. And privacy is one of them." Actually that isn't in writing, thus law, anywhere. Tax return disclosure is a "custom" not a "requirement". Personal privacy, and the 4th Amendment still apply to the US President. Just because people want to see the President's financial history doesn't mean they are entitled to it. |
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Title: Re: Show Me Yours Post by T And T Garage on 10/08/19 at 09:50:46 496A5774766D6A63040 wrote:
Again can you direct me to the, 'Right', that says, 'Illegals are above the law' [/quote] Ahem.... NO ONE SAYS THEY ARE ABOVE THE LAW. A HUMAN RIGHT IS NOT PUTTING SOMEONE ABOVE THE LAW.... Sheesh.... |
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Title: Re: Show Me Yours Post by T And T Garage on 10/08/19 at 09:53:20 79595B534E593C0 wrote:
In this case I disagree. Given trump's business dealings in the last 10 years, I think there is sufficient cause to demand he turn them over. |
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