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Title: The Politics of Loneliness Post by WebsterMark on 10/01/19 at 04:58:17 From Realclearpolitics this morning, written by a man named Ryan Streeter Are political activists lonely? Maybe. With so much acrimony in our politics today, one wonders why any young person aspiring to make the world a better place would choose politics over humanitarian or other nonprofit work. Why not work with groups producing tangible results, such as teaching schoolchildren or beautifying community parks, instead of a job that involves shouting at your Twitter feed and wondering who will stab your back tomorrow? One reason young people get involved in politics might be loneliness. In a nationally representative survey conducted by the American Enterprise Institute, 18- to 35-year-olds who are lonely and socially active (it is possible to be both) choose to volunteer for political organizations and campaigns at seven times the rate of their peers who are not lonely (22% vs. 3%). Conversely, socially active young adults who are not lonely choose to volunteer for faith-based organizations at six times the rate as their lonely peers (24% vs. 4%). Lonely, socially active young adults — defined as those who have multiple friends with whom they interact every week yet report high levels of loneliness — participate in nearly every type of political activity at considerably higher rates than those who are not lonely. This includes expressing support for a candidate on social media (51% vs. 33%) to displaying campaign posters and bumper stickers (30% vs. 18%). Ironically, the only activity in which non-lonely young adults outperform their lonely peers is in voting in elections. The lonely crowd is apparently better at telling others whom to vote for than actually getting to the polls themselves. Partisanship plays no role in this phenomenon. Whether you are a Democrat or Republican, if you are young and socially active, your loneliness level is a better predictor than your political ideology of whether you will choose to get involved in politics instead of some other community-based activity. Lonely young adults attracted to politics seem much less enthused about community-based civil society — the part of the private sector endeavoring to address public challenges with non-governmental resources. Perhaps unsurprisingly, they balance out their low view of civil society with a higher view of government. Americans of all ages have been losing confidence in the federal government for several decades, but socially active, lonely young adults hold it in higher esteem than non-lonely young adults. Thirty-seven percent of the lonely group say you can trust the federal government most of the time or almost always compared to 16% of their non-lonely peers. The lonely group is also more likely to believe they can influence the federal government and more inclined to believe that inequality is an issue that government needs to address. We see even bigger differences between the lonely and non-lonely groups on issues pertaining to civil society. People who have a lot of faith in government and politics tend to think less of civil society. Thirty percent of the lonely group answer “not much” or “not at all” when asked whether local charities make their community successful, compared to 16% of the non-lonely group. About one in four (26%) of the lonely group says the same about families’ value in the community, compared to 7% of the non-lonely group. An astonishing 33% of the lonely group say local schools do not matter much for community success, compared to just 5% of their non-lonely peers. Their lower opinion of community institutions extends to community amenities such as grocery stores, parks, libraries and community centers. They simply do not regard the role of local institutions as importantly as young adults who are not lonely. The picture that emerges of socially active young adults suggests that politics fulfills the tribal needs of lonely individuals more than it does for those who are not lonely. The latter group generally has a higher opinion of all sorts of community institutions. This may be because their lack of loneliness is directly attributable to their embeddedness in richer local networks. For lonely young adults, politics provides the sense of purpose and mission that their non-lonely peers get from church, their favorite local charity, or their kids’ school. |
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Title: Re: The Politics of Loneliness Post by Serowbot on 10/01/19 at 08:44:55 714344555243546B47544D260 wrote:
Trump must be so lonely... |
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Title: Re: The Politics of Loneliness Post by WebsterMark on 10/01/19 at 09:55:56 Maybe. But its a good article and it raises good points. Might explain a lot about the membership of your hero organization, AntiFa. I've not read anything from the raw research, but the article includes a potential throwaway line that this phenomenon is non-partisan but I'm not sure. Leftist join together in numerous little political groups protesting this or marching against that. Some snowflake groups sure seem to be full of a bunch of sad, lonely people. |
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Title: Re: The Politics of Loneliness Post by T And T Garage on 10/01/19 at 10:02:04 596B6C7D7A6B7C436F7C650E0 wrote:
As do the the the groups I mention above. Sad thing is, they're growing in numbers thanks to the enablers - aka trump supporters. |
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Title: Re: The Politics of Loneliness Post by MnSpring on 10/01/19 at 11:40:37 596B6C7D7A6B7C436F7C650E0 wrote:
445A555459445F42300 wrote:
So you believe that it is perfectly OK, To throw, (what looks like a milk shake), quick setting concrete at people that simply disagree with you ? So you believe that it is perfectly OK, To block the movement of a old lady using a Walker, because she disagrees with you ? So you believe that it is perfectly OK, To block traffic on a Federal Freeway, because you perceive they disagree with you ? So you believe that it is perfectly OK, To beat up someone, who is a reporter, and writes what they see. So you believe that it is perfectly OK, To Set fire to, and steal property from someone they don’t even know, or have any idea what their Political opinion is ? So you believe all that it is perfectly OK. |
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Title: Re: The Politics of Loneliness Post by T And T Garage on 10/01/19 at 12:03:08 6F4C7152504B4C45220 wrote:
445A555459445F42300 wrote:
So you believe that it is perfectly OK, To throw, (what looks like a milk shake), quick setting concrete at people that simply disagree with you ? No. So you believe that it is perfectly OK, To block the movement of a old lady using a Walker, because she disagrees with you ? No. So you believe that it is perfectly OK, To block traffic on a Federal Freeway, because you perceive they disagree with you ? So you believe that it is perfectly OK, To beat up someone, who is a reporter, and writes what they see. No. So you believe that it is perfectly OK, To Set fire to, and steal property from someone they don’t even know, or have any idea what their Political opinion is ? No. So you believe all that it is perfectly OK. No. [/quote] What stupid questions. |
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Title: Re: The Politics of Loneliness Post by MnSpring on 10/01/19 at 12:43:40 716F60616C716A77050 wrote:
Yet, YOU are the one constantly telling everybody, YOU are on board with their Ideals ! (Your, 'no violence', mantra means nothing, AntiFa ideals, ARE, Violence) |
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Title: Re: The Politics of Loneliness Post by T And T Garage on 10/01/19 at 13:02:03 53704D6E6C7770791E0 wrote:
Yet, YOU are the one constantly telling everybody, YOU are on board with their Ideals ! (Your, 'no violence', mantra means nothing, AntiFa ideals, ARE, Violence) [/quote] No, their matra is not violence. It's anti-fascism. Further, it's not like an organization like your proud boys. It's an ideological goal. Just because you wish it is, doesn't make it so. So then, genius, show me just one example where I condone any type of violence. Just one, mn. |
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Title: Re: The Politics of Loneliness Post by MnSpring on 10/01/19 at 14:05:06 2D333C3D302D362B590 wrote:
Really ? From a Favorite UL place, Wikipedia: "...The principal feature of antifa groups is their use of direct action, with conflicts occurring both online and in real life. They engage in varied protest tactics, which include digital activism, property damage, physical violence, and harassment against those whom they identify as fascist, racist, or on the far-right..." "...Their stated focus is on fighting far-right and white supremacist ideologies directly, rather than through electoral means..." "... antifa activists feel the need to participate in violent actions ..." "...Antifa tactics include 'no platforming,' i.e. denying their targets the opportunity to speak out in public; obstructing their events and defacing their propaganda; and, when antifa activists deem it necessary, deploying violence to deter them..." 'property damage, physical violence,', are the ideals of 'antifa', As loose and poorly organized as they are, you, Support, antifa, ideals. And even the UL FDS Sites, says antifa is, VIOLENT. Because that is the only way they believe their voice will be heard. show me just one example where I condone any type of violence LOLOLOL, You SUPPORT the Ideals of anitfa. And again, as loose and poorly organized as they are, VIOLENCE, IS/ARE, the Ideals of anitfa ! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: The Politics of Loneliness Post by T And T Garage on 10/01/19 at 14:30:06 486B5675776C6B62050 wrote:
Hmmm... also from Wiki: Antifa is not an interconnected or unified organization, but rather a movement without a hierarchical leadership structure, comprising multiple autonomous groups and individuals.[13][23][35] Activists typically organize protests via social media and through websites.[41] Some activists have built peer-to-peer networks, or use encrypted-texting services like Signal.[42] According to Chauncey Devega at Salon, antifa is an organizing strategy, not a group of people.[43] The antifa movement has grown since the 2016 presidential election and, as of August 2017, approximately 200 groups existed, of varying sizes and levels of activity.[30] The activists involved subscribe to a range of ideologies, typically on the left and they include anarchists, socialists and communists along with some liberals and social democrats.[22][23][35] According to Brian Levin, director of the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at the California State University, San Bernardino, antifa activists feel the need to participate in violent actions because "they believe that elites are controlling the government and the media. So they need to make a statement head-on against the people who they regard as racist".[8] According to Mark Bray, the adherents "reject turning to the police or the state to halt the advance of white supremacy. Instead they advocate popular opposition to fascism as we witnessed in Charlottesville".[23] The idea of direct action is central to the antifa movement.[44] Former antifa organizer Scott Crow told an interviewer: The idea in Antifa is that we go where they [right-wingers] go. That hate speech is not free speech. That if you are endangering people with what you say and the actions that are behind them, then you do not have the right to do that. And so we go to cause conflict, to shut them down where they are, because we don't believe that Nazis or fascists of any stripe should have a mouthpiece.[8] |
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Title: Re: The Politics of Loneliness Post by MnSpring on 10/01/19 at 14:35:20 594748494459425F2D0 wrote:
Thank you so much for reinforcing the fact that, Antifa Ideals, ARE, Violence. |
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Title: Re: The Politics of Loneliness Post by T And T Garage on 10/01/19 at 14:42:54 10330E2D2F34333A5D0 wrote:
Thank you so much for reinforcing the fact that, Antifa Ideals, ARE, Violence. [/quote] Hmmm.. where's the word "all"? As in, "All antifa activists"... Oh, and don't forget, that is an opinion. Thanks mn. |
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Title: Re: The Politics of Loneliness Post by MnSpring on 10/01/19 at 15:34:09 253B343538253E23510 wrote:
What ????? LOLOL Now the word, 'all', is important. when Trump said: “were very fine people on both sides,” Oh BTY, another quote: From a Very, VERY, UL source. "...These counter-protestors ranged from peaceful ones to a small subset of violent ones known as “Antifa,” ..." |
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Title: Re: The Politics of Loneliness Post by T And T Garage on 10/01/19 at 15:41:32 1A390427253E3930570 wrote:
What ????? LOLOL Now the word, 'all', is important. when Trump said: “were very fine people on both sides,” Oh BTY, another quote: From a Very, VERY, UL source. "...These counter-protestors ranged from peaceful ones to a small subset of violent ones known as “Antifa,” ..." [/quote] Yeah, "all" is important. Didn't you read about Eegore's friends who were part of the antifa movement in Europe decades ago? I hate to break it to you mn (no, I don't, that's just a phrase) - but not all antifa supporters are violent. The sooner you lear that, the better. |
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Title: Re: The Politics of Loneliness Post by WebsterMark on 10/01/19 at 15:50:18 And your hero organizations, the proud boys, the neocons and the white nationalists. The difference again....I never said any of those groups were, what did Sew call them; defenders of peace or some other BS. |
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Title: Re: The Politics of Loneliness Post by T And T Garage on 10/01/19 at 15:54:50 093B3C2D2A3B2C133F2C355E0 wrote:
Antifa is an ideal, not an organization like your proud boys. Yes, there are some violent protesters, but that is not reason to call all antifa supporters violent. And again, where did Sero ever condone violence? Do you have proof of your claim? Did you ever read what Eegore said about his firsthand knowledge antifa? (probably not, it doesn't fit your narrative) |
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Title: Re: The Politics of Loneliness Post by MnSpring on 10/01/19 at 16:17:02 3D232C2D203D263B490 wrote:
So then not all Conservatives are, White Nationalists/Supremacists, etc ? And not all, White Nationalists/Supremacists, etc, drive cars into crowds. And not all mass shootings are done by, White Nationalists/Supremacists, etc. Is that what you are, NOW, saying ? |
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Title: Re: The Politics of Loneliness Post by T And T Garage on 10/01/19 at 16:34:44 44675A797B60676E090 wrote:
So then not all Conservatives are, White Nationalists/Supremacists, etc ? No, they're not. And not all, White Nationalists/Supremacists, etc, drive cars into crowds. No, they don't. And not all mass shootings are done by, White Nationalists/Supremacists, etc. No, they're not. Is that what you are, NOW, saying ?[/quote] No, mn, that's what I've always said. However, you boys tend to lump all democrats together, so turnabout's fair play. If you don't wanna be labeled as racist, then don't label all us dems as violent antifa. Get it? |
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Title: Re: The Politics of Loneliness Post by MnSpring on 10/01/19 at 16:42:54 5B454A4B465B405D2F0 wrote:
LOLOLOLOL, Never did. It was YOU, that said, YOU, supported AOC, BS, DSA, and antifa !!!!!!! LOL and this: If you don't wanna be labeled as racist, then don't ... Sounds like a THREAT ! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: The Politics of Loneliness Post by T And T Garage on 10/01/19 at 16:55:29 01221F3C3E25222B4C0 wrote:
LOLOLOLOL, Never did. It was YOU, that said, YOU, supported AOC, BS, DSA, and antifa !!!!!!! Yeah, but never about the violence.... seriously, are you really that dense? LOL and this: If you don't wanna be labeled as racist, then don't ... Sounds like a THREAT ! No, it's a promise. [/quote] |
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Title: Re: The Politics of Loneliness Post by WebsterMark on 10/02/19 at 04:36:30 Antifa is an ideal, not an organization like your proud boys. Yes, there are some violent protesters, but that is not reason to call all antifa supporters violent. And again, where did Sero ever condone violence? Do you have proof of your claim? Did you ever read what Eegore said about his firsthand knowledge antifa? (probably not, it doesn't fit your narrative) Again, not my organization, never heard of them until you kept bringing them up. Like I said, look it up, don't recall exact words. Ask him, but it was something on the order they were defending truth or something. I don't get a woody every time Eegore speaks like you do so no, I don't remember what he said. Look, if you wanna defend somebody blocking an old couple and yelling obscenities in their face, have at it. I always said odds are you'll be out there with them one of these days. |
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Title: Re: The Politics of Loneliness Post by T And T Garage on 10/02/19 at 05:06:15 794B4C5D5A4B5C634F5C452E0 wrote:
Typical. Nice deflection mark. You've gotten really good at that lately. |
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Title: Re: The Politics of Loneliness Post by WebsterMark on 10/02/19 at 06:35:37 You've always good at claiming deflection when your ignorance is put on full display. But, I've got stuff to do today. And I suspect it will likey have a positive impact on your life in some small measure but no need to thank me. Your money is good enough. |
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Title: Re: The Politics of Loneliness Post by T And T Garage on 10/02/19 at 07:36:43 162423323524330C20332A410 wrote:
LOL - go and run. Maybe you'll catch that carrot someday! |
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