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Title: Guess You Can't Pray It Away... Post by T And T Garage on 09/03/19 at 18:09:50 Conversion therapy crusader has something to say: He's gay SPARTANBURG, S.C. - A South Carolina man who founded one of the nation's biggest conversion therapy ministries has something to say: he's gay. The Post and Courier reports Hope for Wholeness founder McKrae Game came out of the closet this summer, nearly two years after he was fired from the faith-based conversion therapy program. He's now trying to come to terms with the harm he inflicted when he was advocating for religious efforts to change a person's sexuality. “Conversion therapy is not just a lie, but it’s very harmful,” Game told The Post and Courier. “Because it’s false advertising.” The 51-year-old also is trying to find his place in a community he's assailed for at least 20 years. Game is one of several former movement leaders who have left the pulpits of heterosexuality, come out as LGBTQ and condemned conversion therapy as a dangerous and misleading practice. Currently, 18 states and Washington, D.C., ban the practice of conversion therapy for minors, according to Movement Advancement Project, an LGBTQ think tank. South Carolina, however, is not one of these states. http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/conversion-therapy-crusader-has-something-say-he-s-gay-n1049146 |
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Title: Re: Guess You Can't Pray It Away... Post by WebsterMark on 09/04/19 at 03:58:49 No, you probably can't. I wouldn't say never, but I wouldn't plan a program around it. 2-3% of the population have abnormal sexual deformities. We know that. Between people in authority in today's world who push prayer as a conversion therapy and similar people in authority who allow grade schoolers to claim gender reidentification; which is more common, which harms more children and which is more likely to be embraced, encouraged or even celebrated by the widespread news and entertainment cultures? |
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Title: Re: Guess You Can't Pray It Away... Post by T And T Garage on 09/04/19 at 06:20:25 655750414657407F534059320 wrote:
"Abnormal Sexual deformities"? Really? What's "abnormal"? What's "normal"? I don't know about you, but I never had to "choose" who I am - I just am. That goes for all the gay folks I know. They don't choose to be gay, they just are. What's more - they pose no threat to anyone. But that doesn't stop the Christian right, the conservatives and other homophobes from peddling fear. This conversion therapy is a perfect example. But to compare that to being inclusive to the LGBT community is ridiculous. How can being empathetic and understanding be "harmful"? |
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Title: Re: Guess You Can't Pray It Away... Post by WebsterMark on 09/05/19 at 03:57:21 "Abnormal Sexual deformities"? Really? What's "abnormal"? What's "normal"? I think practically by definition, in any large group, if you're in the 2% range, you're outside the norm. I don't know about you, but I never had to "choose" who I am - I just am. That goes for all the gay folks I know. They don't choose to be gay, they just are. I agree 100%. You can't fake that. You either are, or you are not. But people have all types of inherent behavior that they take specific actions to control. What's more - they pose no threat to anyone. But that doesn't stop the Christian right, the conservatives and other homophobes from peddling fear. This conversion therapy is a perfect example. The % of Christians who threated homosexuals is minimal and getting smaller everyday. It's frankly a non-issue, but it does make a handy issue to bring up. I would challenge you to say you're gay, go visit 20 churches at random and see how many ask you to leave. But to compare that to being inclusive to the LGBT community is ridiculous. How can being empathetic and understanding be "harmful"? I would think if you did some research, you'd find people who claimed conversion therapy guided them to a different lifestyle. I would never suggest any health or social institution direct anyone to go to a church and get saved from their gay sin. Face it, you posted that article to try and make an issue out of something which is so very minor in the big scheme of things. But you be you. |
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Title: Re: Guess You Can't Pray It Away... Post by T And T Garage on 09/05/19 at 06:27:50 5D6F68797E6F78476B78610A0 wrote:
No, I pretty much posted it to show how ridiculous it is to try and "pray the gay away" and to shine a light on the hypocrisy of some Christians. Further, I support LBGT equality, not privilege. You know, like how a gigantic organization pays no taxes...that kind of privilege... like the Church. And lastly, I love to see homophobes put in their place. If it's 3% of the population, why do homophobes make such a huge deal of it? It's fun to watch them squirm! |
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Title: Re: Guess You Can't Pray It Away... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/05/19 at 07:16:47 To quote a few people They just didn't go far enough. Yes, a twisted heart can be made straight, but Only through prayer. A man can see his faults, the things in his heart that are an abomination in the eyes of God, but he can't fix it. Only through a sorrowful heart, praying for change, will change come. And then, only in God's time. Twenty years may not have been enough. I had a different problem and it took longer. But I knew that if I died before I was saved, I'd never see heaven, and IN being saved, we Become a new creature, And Ezekiel 36:26 says I will remove your heart of stone and replace it with one of flesh.. And now, I FEEL things that I didn't know anyone felt. I feel absolute Joy when I meditate on the things God has taught me. People Treat me differently. I can absolutely say Proper prayer, Diligently pursuing God, and a contrite heart will be rewarded. Pray until something happens. If it's eating at your guts and you know it's against God, how could anyone ever stop asking for it to be fixed? |
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Title: Re: Guess You Can't Pray It Away... Post by T And T Garage on 09/05/19 at 09:30:22 3C2325223F3809390931232F64560 wrote:
I'm thankful I never had to choose or pray for my sexuality.... |
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Title: Re: Guess You Can't Pray It Away... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/05/19 at 10:16:02 Like I said Me neither Wrong in the eyes of God is wrong. The bible addresses sexuality. Read it. |
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Title: Re: Guess You Can't Pray It Away... Post by T And T Garage on 09/05/19 at 11:38:34 736C6A6D70774676467E6C602B190 wrote:
Yeah, I have read the Bible. But I like shellfish and not stoning my neighbor when they work on the Sabbath and not taking my brother's wife as my own when he dies and wearing clothing of different weaves and mixing my dairy and..... Well, you see jog - the Bible is one big contradiction to Christianity.... and it's wrong on so many things, how can you trust it? Capeesh? |
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Title: Re: Guess You Can't Pray It Away... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/05/19 at 11:49:56 You may have read it But you don't understand it. Jesus saved the lamb on the Sabbath. You're unable to see the difference between the old and new testament. |
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Title: Re: Guess You Can't Pray It Away... Post by Serowbot on 09/05/19 at 12:36:24 524D4B4C51566757675F4D410A380 wrote:
So, what did Jesus say about homosexuality?... I get that he condemned all sex outside of marriage,.. but you've got a lot bigger problem than 2 or 3% of people with that. |
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Title: Re: Guess You Can't Pray It Away... Post by T And T Garage on 09/05/19 at 12:45:48 77686E6974734272427A68642F1D0 wrote:
So... I shouldn't kill my neighbor if he works on the Sabbath? If you follow the Bible, can you eat shellfish? ;D I know one thing jog - you cannot have the New without the Old. All or nothing. Hey, that's the way you treat Muslims... turnabout is fair play. |
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Title: Re: Guess You Can't Pray It Away... Post by Serowbot on 09/05/19 at 13:24:19 God, in all his wisdom, realized he really screwed up with his first book, so he wrote that second one. It's good to be able to admit you were wrong when you're omniscient. His third one was the Quran and had mixed reviews but still sold well. The forth was limited edition just for the Mormons. Nobody takes that one seriously. All in all,.. I'd say he's no Shakespeare... |
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Title: Re: Guess You Can't Pray It Away... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/05/19 at 13:59:16 I know one thing jog - you cannot have the New without the Old. You're totally ignorant. And I am done. Arguing the bible with godless people is a fruitless endeavor. I actually posted what I said for others. I knew what you lefties would say. Pearls/ Swine.. |
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Title: Re: Guess You Can't Pray It Away... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/05/19 at 14:00:13 2B3D2A372F3A372C580 wrote:
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Title: Re: Guess You Can't Pray It Away... Post by MnSpring on 09/05/19 at 14:05:20 3721362B33262B30440 wrote:
LOLOOLOOOOLOL Now THAT, was one, 'squirrelly', post ! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Guess You Can't Pray It Away... Post by verslagen1 on 09/05/19 at 14:18:29 594F58455D48455E2A0 wrote:
Don't go out in any thunderstorms... might be pushing the bounds of a random event. |
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Title: Re: Guess You Can't Pray It Away... Post by Serowbot on 09/05/19 at 14:23:01 Don't shelter in a church... They get hit a lot. :-? |
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Title: Re: Guess You Can't Pray It Away... Post by T And T Garage on 09/05/19 at 14:36:03 756A6C6B7671407040786A662D1F0 wrote:
LOL - righteousness... coming from you? Spit take!! |
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Title: Re: Guess You Can't Pray It Away... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/05/19 at 15:04:22 I literally just told you a truth and you can't handle it. No, you spouted your opinion. Knowing the old testament is helpful. Knowing the new testament is crucial. I'm not gonna try to educate you. You ignore the obvious and pretend you're correct. Keep trying. I feel sorry for you and your cohorts. |
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Title: Re: Guess You Can't Pray It Away... Post by Serowbot on 09/05/19 at 15:29:52 The lesson of pearls before swine is to keep your religious beliefs to yourself, lest you be rent limb from limb (Metaphorically,... i.e., your beliefs will be attacked by logic and science and you will be butthurt by that) Why reference a passage that you don't follow? I think it's just the satisfaction you get from calling non-believers "swine"... Kinda' petty... "Give not that which is holy to the dogs, neither cast you your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you." |
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Title: Re: Guess You Can't Pray It Away... Post by T And T Garage on 09/05/19 at 15:41:18 081711160B0C3D0D3D05171B50620 wrote:
No need to - we're great, thanks. |
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Title: Re: Guess You Can't Pray It Away... Post by Serowbot on 09/05/19 at 16:06:50 The old testament is a lot like the Quran... Stern laws and punishments. The new testament uses the character Jesus to preach that these edicts are for internal reflection, but teaches compassion and understanding over judgement of others. Nearly every lesson, taken in context, teaches empathy. Do unto others,... Judge not,... Take the beam from your eye,.. cast the first stone... What would Jesus do?,... should not be a challenge to reinterpret a message peace. |
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Title: Re: Guess You Can't Pray It Away... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/05/19 at 16:31:57 Give not that which is holy to the dogs, neither cast you your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you." No, you quote yet don't understand. It's useless to try to teach the ungodly. And risky. Ohhh, look! Proof.. |
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Title: Re: Guess You Can't Pray It Away... Post by MnSpring on 09/05/19 at 16:53:06 617F70717C617A67150 wrote:
Are you saying UL, FDS Socialists, are, 'smarter', than anyone and everyone else ? |
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Title: Re: Guess You Can't Pray It Away... Post by T And T Garage on 09/05/19 at 17:00:54 183B0625273C3B32550 wrote:
Are you saying UL, FDS Socialists, are, 'smarter', than anyone and everyone else ? [/quote] No. Just that I am in this case as compared to jog. Do you represent all ignorant, thin-skinned, gun loving conservatives? |
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Title: Re: Guess You Can't Pray It Away... Post by MnSpring on 09/05/19 at 18:09:39 3F212E2F223F24394B0 wrote:
Nop, never said, all Conservatives are, 'ignorant, thin-skinned', like you just did. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Guess You Can't Pray It Away... Post by T And T Garage on 09/05/19 at 21:00:21 64477A595B40474E290 wrote:
Nop, never said, all Conservatives are, 'ignorant, thin-skinned', like you just did. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D [/quote] So, thanks to your "amazing" grammar, you just stated that you think that all conservatives are ignorant and thin skinned. Nicely done, mn. :D |
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Title: Re: Guess You Can't Pray It Away... Post by WebsterMark on 09/06/19 at 04:55:30 2630273A22373A21550 wrote:
There's quite a bit more to that than whatever you read someone else wrote, much like your Old/New Testament views. But like I said, TT started this thread to get a few people's goat which he's succeeded at. I do find it funny/interesting you mentioned Muslim. TT's post is supposedly about Christianity's hash treatment and attitudes towards homosexuals, yet Muslims commit actual violence against gays including the habit of throwing off rooftops. Yet, you guys never, ever start a thread with the expressed intent of making fun of Muslims. Why is that? |
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Title: Re: Guess You Can't Pray It Away... Post by T And T Garage on 09/06/19 at 06:23:27 734146575041566945564F240 wrote:
There's quite a bit more to that than whatever you read someone else wrote, much like your Old/New Testament views. But like I said, TT started this thread to get a few people's goat which he's succeeded at. I do find it funny/interesting you mentioned Muslim. TT's post is supposedly about Christianity's hash treatment and attitudes towards homosexuals, yet Muslims commit actual violence against gays including the habit of throwing off rooftops. Yet, you guys never, ever start a thread with the expressed intent of making fun of Muslims. Why is that?[/quote] Extremist Christians = Extremist Muslims They're equally hilarious. |
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Title: Re: Guess You Can't Pray It Away... Post by WebsterMark on 09/06/19 at 10:01:26 Extremist Christians = Extremist Muslims They're equally hilarious. You wouldn't dare point out extremist Muslims. |
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Title: Re: Guess You Can't Pray It Away... Post by MnSpring on 09/06/19 at 11:38:11 263837363B263D20520 wrote:
How about the 'The Innocence of Muslims Trailer': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJBWCLeOEaM You know, the movie which was the CAUSE of the killings of four Americans in Benghazi. It was NOT the FAULT of H.R.C. who IGNORED the plea for help. tt would say: "movie is a bigoted piece of poison calculated to inflame the Muslim world. It ought to be treated with the contempt it deserves " Just as The Guardian has told tt to say ! |
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Title: Re: Guess You Can't Pray It Away... Post by T And T Garage on 09/06/19 at 13:42:32 083A3D2C2B3A2D123E2D345F0 wrote:
Why not? I'm pretty sure they're all over the place. Just like those crazy radical Christians. You sure do like to ASSume, don't ya? |
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Title: Re: Guess You Can't Pray It Away... Post by T And T Garage on 09/06/19 at 13:44:19 0B281536342F2821460 wrote:
How about the 'The Innocence of Muslims Trailer': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJBWCLeOEaM You know, the movie which was the CAUSE of the killings of four Americans in Benghazi. It was NOT the FAULT of H.R.C. who IGNORED the plea for help. tt would say: "movie is a bigoted piece of poison calculated to inflame the Muslim world. It ought to be treated with the contempt it deserves " Just as The Guardian has told tt to say ! [/quote] Well, mn - you couldn't possibly know my position on that as I never really stated it. You see, I wasn't on this forum them. You also seem to like to ASSume a lot, don't ya? |
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Title: Re: Guess You Can't Pray It Away... Post by WebsterMark on 09/07/19 at 04:11:38 584649484558435E2C0 wrote:
Why not? I'm pretty sure they're all over the place. Just like those crazy radical Christians. You sure do like to ASSume, don't ya?[/quote] No, you wouldn't. Couple reasons. 1) you're afraid of what they'd do to you. It's not PC to launch general attacks on Islam and everything you do has to pass the preapproved leftist marching orders. 2) this is just another political game to you. Like your fake outrage of random mass shootings. |
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Title: Re: Guess You Can't Pray It Away... Post by T And T Garage on 09/08/19 at 17:02:44 457770616677605F736079120 wrote:
Why not? I'm pretty sure they're all over the place. Just like those crazy radical Christians. You sure do like to ASSume, don't ya?[/quote] No, you wouldn't. Couple reasons. 1) you're afraid of what they'd do to you. It's not PC to launch general attacks on Islam and everything you do has to pass the preapproved leftist marching orders. 2) this is just another political game to you. Like your fake outrage of random mass shootings. [/quote] LOL - again with the ASSuming. The problem is, when it comes to Muslim extremism, there just isn't that much in the US.... http://www.christiancentury.org/article/news/despite-claims-politicians-muslim-extremism-rare-us Tell you what mark - you go look for a Muslim extremist story, and I'll condemn those Muslims that acted violently or inappropriately. Until then, you may want to stop ASSuming, m'kay? |
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Title: Re: Guess You Can't Pray It Away... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/08/19 at 18:04:58 Honor killings aren't enough? |
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Title: Re: Guess You Can't Pray It Away... Post by WebsterMark on 09/08/19 at 19:00:02 If you want to call me an ass, just do it. Stop acting like a little girl. You wouldn't make comments about an Muslim like you do to Christans. None of you leftist do. |
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Title: Re: Guess You Can't Pray It Away... Post by T And T Garage on 09/08/19 at 20:45:53 1B292E3F38293E012D3E274C0 wrote:
If you'd stop assuming, I would, mark - but you continue to ASSume. So, like I offered - post an article or story about Muslim extremists and I'll comment/condemn as necessary. Your move fella.... |
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Title: Re: Guess You Can't Pray It Away... Post by T And T Garage on 09/08/19 at 20:46:23 504F494E53546555655D4F43083A0 wrote:
Have there been any of those in the US lately? Post them... |
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Title: Re: Guess You Can't Pray It Away... Post by WebsterMark on 09/09/19 at 05:35:46 Go ahead, find a young Muslim man and publicly laugh at his faith. |
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Title: Re: Guess You Can't Pray It Away... Post by WebsterMark on 09/09/19 at 06:48:13 There is no consequence for attacking Christianity so cowards have free rein. |
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Title: Re: Guess You Can't Pray It Away... Post by T And T Garage on 09/09/19 at 07:22:24 023037262130271834273E550 wrote:
Why? That's not what I do on here - or anywhere. How many prayers have gone up and how many have I commented on? Several dozen and I've commented on - None. Now, when I see a Christian that tries to "pray away the gay" and then comes out as gay himself - well, mark - that's a different story. But I'm not going to go out of my way and deride a person for being religious. I'm not intolerant. I'm inclusive. But if there were a Muslim on this board that in one post heralded the virtues of Islam and in the next talked about a Congresswoman's panties - well, you bet your a$$ I'd be the first to rail on him. Until that happens, I'll be fine - m'kay? |
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Title: Re: Guess You Can't Pray It Away... Post by verslagen1 on 09/09/19 at 07:45:04 140A050409140F12600 wrote:
Have there been any of those in the US lately? Post them...[/quote] https://www.amnestyusa.org/the-horror-of-honor-killings-even-in-us/ |
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Title: Re: Guess You Can't Pray It Away... Post by MnSpring on 09/09/19 at 07:47:41 273936373A273C21530 wrote:
Gee tt, 'don't be so LAZY', and look them up yourself. I did, they are all over. Don't SPIN now, Remember, 'Honor Killings' are well hidden in nondescript murders and cases labeled as domestic violence. Ah, never mind, you will SPIN anyway !!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Guess You Can't Pray It Away... Post by T And T Garage on 09/09/19 at 07:58:03 273423223D3036343F60510 wrote:
Have there been any of those in the US lately? Post them...[/quote] https://www.amnestyusa.org/the-horror-of-honor-killings-even-in-us/[/quote] Well, that was back in 2012 - but OK vers, fair enough. Noor Almaleki's father is an a$$hole and deserves the same fate as his daughter. Anyone who participates in that type of behaviour is a idiot. |
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Title: Re: Guess You Can't Pray It Away... Post by T And T Garage on 09/09/19 at 07:59:34 4E6D5073716A6D64030 wrote:
Gee tt, 'don't be so LAZY', and look them up yourself. I did, they are all over. Well, the last only one that vers could find was back in 2012, 7 years ago. You got any current ones, mn? Don't SPIN now, Remember, 'Honor Killings' are well hidden in nondescript murders and cases labeled as domestic violence. Post them, oh great mn.... Ah, never mind, you will SPIN anyway !!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D[/quote] |
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