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Title: Panamerica anybody? Post by philthymike on 08/26/19 at 04:40:06 https://advrider.com/hey-odd-lookin-how-harley-davidson-panamerica-could-be-saved/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_content=08_22_2019 http://https://static.advrider.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/1-750x563.jpeg ??? :-/ |
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Title: Re: Panamerica anybody? Post by Dave on 08/26/19 at 05:30:36 I am not convinced a 700 pound dual sport bike is a necessity. If I go off roading - I want a single cylinder bike that is less than 350 pounds......so I can pick it up when I drop it! |
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Title: Re: Panamerica anybody? Post by philthymike on 08/26/19 at 05:48:57 A shorter wheelbase and more ground clearance are a must. Riding my Ducati off road was a painful example why. |
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Title: Re: Panamerica anybody? Post by batman on 08/26/19 at 08:12:08 A passenger seat off road ? Are you really going to ride double in the ruff stuff ? Is that a muffler or a bazooka? |
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Title: Re: Panamerica anybody? Post by Serowbot on 08/26/19 at 08:46:55 It looks like an 80's sci-fi movie... :-? |
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Title: Re: Panamerica anybody? Post by MMRanch on 08/26/19 at 09:13:09 I hope Harley has something else " up their sleeve " cause this thing ain't going save them ! ::) I did see an " Electric Harley " commercial on TV this morning ! :-? |
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Title: Re: Panamerica anybody? Post by Fast 650 on 08/26/19 at 09:13:33 Several years ago Mattel decided that they needed to update the Ken doll for Barbie. They asked girls what they wanted and they said that Ken needed to be cooler. So Mattel has a meeting in some boardroom and realize that they had no idea of what was cool. Someone says that raves are what is cool at the time. So they send people to raves to get design ideas. Raves were very popular with the gay crowd then. Not knowing any better the Mattel bozos copied what they say and presto, Barbie has a gay boyfriend then. I think H-D must have hired their design team from Mattel because like with the Ken doll, they are really missing the mark with that bike. |
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Title: Re: Panamerica anybody? Post by Ruttly on 08/26/19 at 10:56:36 For me it’s the same as the Savage the more I look at it the more I like it. Maybe just not for 30k ! Yeah they will only sell a few , but someone had to build it. What would be said if it had a Suzuki or Yamaha name tags on it ? But the adventure bike is really reaching , a custom builder here built a full knobbied motorcrosser out of a sportster and it’s still in his showroom , 14 years later. A true novelty bike. |
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Title: Re: Panamerica anybody? Post by Serowbot on 08/26/19 at 13:19:12 446362627A6F160 wrote:
;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Panamerica anybody? Post by verslagen1 on 08/26/19 at 13:33:46 5442554850454853270 wrote:
;D ;D ;D[/quote] I think someone built 30 years ago, put it in a closet and forgot it. |
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Title: Re: Panamerica anybody? Post by Dave on 08/26/19 at 13:56:46 I really don't think Harley has a clue what to do. They have sold just about as many heavy V-Twins as the world cares to buy - and they likely have little chance of winning over the folks who currently buy things from Japan/Italy/Germany.....and sometimes India/China. The "die hard" V Twin folks will continue to buy a few new bikes - and be pissed off at Harley for trying to make anything newer/better and claim it is not a "real" Harley. I don't want to see Harley go out of business - but I do believe they screwed up when the got rid of the Buehl.....they could have made sport and adventure bikes that people really wanted! |
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Title: Re: Panamerica anybody? Post by philthymike on 08/26/19 at 13:56:57 It appears to me that the front fairing is not attached to the forks but to the frame. If the headlights don't point where you steer off-road at night you need to say your prayers before you ride. There's a recipe for disaster. And is there some mechanical reason I don't get for having that extra long swingarm and putting the back wheel so far back? Is it for sand dunes riding? |
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Title: Re: Panamerica anybody? Post by springman on 08/26/19 at 14:25:07 I actually like the looks of the bike. But my first thought was how much does that thing weigh? |
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Title: Re: Panamerica anybody? Post by philthymike on 08/26/19 at 14:52:13 My 1st thought was how can it possibly run without any chrome? My 2nd thought was the new Harley badboy look... :D |
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Title: Re: Panamerica anybody? Post by raydawg on 08/26/19 at 16:20:23 Anybody know who they are marketing to? My first thought was kids. The same kids who live in their parents basement. A Transformer motorcycle that turns into, what? :-/ |
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Title: Re: Panamerica anybody? Post by Matchless G11 on 08/26/19 at 17:09:46 32213924213727400 wrote:
You mean this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKqpvriKZuA |
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Title: Re: Panamerica anybody? Post by Chance on 08/27/19 at 17:00:18 This thing looks ridiculous! I like Harley, even considered buying a 1200 before I bought my S40. Some consider the Sportster line to be made for the fairer sex (supposedly the Savage/ S40 are too.) I consider Sporty's and the Savage/S40 to be "heritage" bikes. I don't know what this is. No one is going to by this. Harley needs to get a grip. |
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Title: Re: Panamerica anybody? Post by oldNslow on 08/27/19 at 20:02:54 When I rode down to the MotoAmerica Road races at Pittsburgh Raceway two years ago I was astonished at the number of big ADV bikes in the motorcycle parking lot. BMWs Ducatis, and KTM v-twins mostly. Most of them sported hard luggage and almost none of them looked like they had ever spent any time in the dirt. Off road pretensions notwithstanding, these things are touring bikes for the most part I believe. Put some bags on that Harley and it would fit right in. I honestly think Harley might just sell a few of these. Aesthetics are in the eye of the beholder of course, and I for one think that all of the big ADV bikes are pretty ugly. The Panamerica isn't any worse than any of the others IMO and if it's built to the same fit and finish standard as HDs other top tier bikes it will probably look pretty nice up close. |
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Title: Re: Panamerica anybody? Post by ohiomoto on 08/28/19 at 05:47:07 I see where oldNslow is going and I agree except I think the average Harley customer will cringe and the current ADV customer will laugh at it. |
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Title: Re: Panamerica anybody? Post by philthymike on 08/28/19 at 06:54:50 It's kinda like someone getting all into disco in 1980. They missed the bus. Earlier before taste and experience raised expectations and ADV guys were buying anything labelled Adventurous they might have had a shot. HD shoulda made a lightweight scrambler instead. The trend is towards lighter now... |
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Title: Re: Panamerica anybody? Post by oldNslow on 08/28/19 at 07:45:27 Quote:
Depends on what you are after I think. For an actual dirt bike, sure, lighter is better. But the best selling Big ADV bike by a pretty wide margin is the BMW GS series. Curb weight right around 600 pounds. That's what the Panamerica will be competing with. I expect that the Harley will probably weigh about the same. I don't think many of these bikes are ripping down single tracks in the woods, especially wearing those gigantic aluminum panniers that are on a lot of them. They are made for long distance travel in places where the roads are really shi**y but they are still roads. We've got some stretches of expressway up here in Western NY that fit that description :D |
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Title: Re: Panamerica anybody? Post by philthymike on 08/28/19 at 09:51:08 Most of the roads in PA fit that description! I've seen alot of buzz about the new midsize ADV bikes lately - ones under 1K cc. Yamaha, KTM, Moto Guzzi, Ducati and Triumph have been competing in this class with lots of fanfare from the ADV riders that no longer want to pick up dirt napping 1200s anymore. That and anything scrambler like seems wildly popular. Given Ducatis success with its scrambler line and taking the dirt track wins from HOG it just seemed a natural choice for them to go after that market and try to win back their former glory. That would have been an interesting competition to watch. Especially considering the lost face to the Diavel vs Vrod standoff. |
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Title: Re: Panamerica anybody? Post by Serowbot on 08/28/19 at 10:13:05 55465E43465040270 wrote:
Overweight geriatrics that wear leather but not helmets and and still lean to steer and use only the rear brake because front brakes are dangerous.... Maybe?... :-? |
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Title: Re: Panamerica anybody? Post by philthymike on 08/29/19 at 16:40:27 77746178747B212D150 wrote:
I figured it out. That's not the muffler it's the booster rocket motor. When stopped it ignites and adds enough thrust until there's enough momentum for the engine to power the bike on its own. Then it separates and falls back to earth. Just like the space shuttle boosters. |
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Title: Re: Panamerica anybody? Post by UglyBrute on 09/02/19 at 11:56:53 "Millennial" checking in here. Currently looking at ADV bikes. I think the PanAmerica looks great, but Harley doesn't seem to understand the price range for my demographic. I don't need to pay the Harley tax along with student loans. |
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Title: Re: Panamerica anybody? Post by Ruttly on 09/02/19 at 19:37:23 Ah yes , Harley tastes on a Savage budget ! ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Panamerica anybody? Post by ohiomoto on 09/03/19 at 07:19:47 7143485D6656515041240 wrote:
What is wrong with you kids!!! ;D |
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Title: Re: Panamerica anybody? Post by Chance on 09/04/19 at 04:54:43 Harley doesn't sell motorcycles...it sells "a lifestyle." That's why I bought a Suzuki, I already have a lifestyle. I know they are trying to market to the next generation, but my God!! They can't hardly sell any more Road Kings, etc. because everyone who wants one already has one. And really, who the hell can afford one. I could if I wanted one, but would have to make payments. No thanks, I probably have more fun on my humble S40, anyway. I like Harley and respect what they are trying to do. I would like to see them make smaller displacement bikes, like they used to, but still keep the Harley attitude. Perhaps, make dirt bikes again! |
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