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Title: Good Guys Without Guns Post by T And T Garage on 08/19/19 at 11:21:36 Have saved countless people in the past week alone. 3 mass shooting plots stopped around the country in separate incidents, police say Three mass shooting plots were thwarted in recent days with the arrests of three men in unrelated cases, authorities in Connecticut, Florida and Ohio said. Tips from the public aided in the three arrests, which occurred on Thursday and Friday. Police in each case said the men, all white and in their 20s, posted online or sent text messages with threats of committing mass shootings. The arrests come amid renewed cries for legislation to change the country's gun laws in the wake of mass shootings in California, Texas and Ohio. Multiple false alarm and hoax shooting scares have also kept the nation on edge in recent weeks. Here's what we know about the three cases: Connecticut Brandon Wagshol, 22, of Norwalk was arrested on four counts of illegal possession of large-capacity magazines, the city's police department said Thursday. Wagshol was arrested after a joint investigation from Norwalk police and the FBI was opened after federal authorities received a tip that he was allegedly trying to buy high-capacity rifle magazines out of state. Police said Wagshol purchased rifle parts online to build his own weapon and had posted on Facebook showing "his interest in committing a mass shooting." When executing a search warrant, police found two guns registered to Wagshol's father, multiple rounds of ammunition, body armor and other tactical equipment, Norwalk police said. Florida The Volusia County Sheriff’s Office said Tristan Scott Wix, 25, of Daytona Beach was arrested Friday and charged with making threats to commit a mass shooting. Sheriff's deputies began investigating after they were alerted to multiple texts Wix allegedly sent with his plans to commit a mass shooting. The office did not say to whom Wix sent the messages. "A school is a weak target.. id be more likely to open fire on a large crowd of people from over 3 miles away.. I'd wanna break a world record for longest confirmed kill ever," the sheriff's department said Wix texted. Another text allegedly read: "But a good 100 kills would be nice. I already have a location (laughing cry face emoji) is that bad?" Wix said he doesn't own firearms but was "fascinated with mass shootings," the sheriff's office said in a statement. Police also released body cam video of Wix's arrest. Ohio Police arrested James P. Reardon, 20, after receiving a tip about an online video where the man identified himself as the shooter at a Jewish community center – an incident that hadn't happened yet, according to the FBI. Reardon was arrested Friday on charges of telecommunications harassment and aggravated menacing, FBI Cleveland Division said. The video post on Instagram tagged the Jewish Community Center of Youngstown from Reardon’s account, police say. A search warrant was executed at Reardon's parent's home the same day local police received the tip about the video. Reardon was arrested without incident and police said rounds of ammunition, semi-automatic weapons and anti-Semitic information were found. https://news.yahoo.com/3-mass-shooting-plots-stopped-121828185.html Better policing, not more guns, helped more people in the past week. Just as it should be. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys Without Guns Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/19/19 at 13:13:10 So? |
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Title: Re: Good Guys Without Guns Post by T And T Garage on 08/19/19 at 13:22:29 2D3234332E2918281820323E75470 wrote:
So, what? I'm showing proof that in this, and most situations, "more guns" isn't the answer. Arming everyone you can didn't stop these 3 plots - policing did. Who knows what would have happened if the police hadn't done their due diligence. Even if there were good guys with guns on the scene of the potential target areas, people probably would have died. Pretty simple to understand. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys Without Guns Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/19/19 at 13:53:07 Very commendable, excellent work. Too bad nobody listened in Broward county and that guy shot up a buncha people and the cops cowered behind their cars while defenseless people inside were being shot. You never did answer the question.. If you were somewhere and some crazy homicidal guy started shooting and people around you are dropping Would you wish you had a gun? |
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Title: Re: Good Guys Without Guns Post by Serowbot on 08/19/19 at 13:59:59 I'd wish he didn't, more... |
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Title: Re: Good Guys Without Guns Post by T And T Garage on 08/19/19 at 14:07:09 3C2325223F3809390931232F64560 wrote:
Yes, I would wish I had a gun. But then again, when I'm out at car shows, I wish I had a million dollars to spend. When I'm riding in the rain, I wish I wasn't. When I'm talking to my kids, I wished they lived closer. Wishing is just wishing..... The point you keep missing is that no matter how many guns you give to people, it won't help. What is it about the guy in Dayton that you're willfully ignorant about? He was confronted and shot in 30 seconds and 10 people still died. More guns is not the answer to our mass shooting "problem" (read epidemic). Any of this sinking in?...... |
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Title: Re: Good Guys Without Guns Post by WebsterMark on 08/19/19 at 14:29:12 What is it about the guy in Dayton that you're willfully ignorant about? He was confronted and shot in 30 seconds and 10 people still died. The kids in Parkland died while an armed cop stood outside. If one of those teachers had been trained and had access to a firearm, would things have been different? No one knows and there's no way to know, but what we do know is everyone of us would rather a trained, armed teacher had access. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys Without Guns Post by T And T Garage on 08/19/19 at 14:45:59 7C4E49585F4E59664A59402B0 wrote:
No, not all of us. All of you. Again, a trained officer is on the scene in 20 seconds and puts down a shooter in 10 seconds. What kind of training are you gonna put these teachers through? Oh, and who's gonna pay for it? Why not put that money to where it can do more good - like, um, policing and profiling... or did you miss the part where 3 mass shooting were circumvented this past week? |
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Title: Re: Good Guys Without Guns Post by Serowbot on 08/19/19 at 14:49:04 Will the teacher be responsible when that gun kills a kid?... Not many teachers want to bear that burden... Will they be trained as well as the FBI?... [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-9Vxs5KL-Y[/media] or a DEA agent teaching gun safety? [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfONckOPyaI[/media] |
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Title: Re: Good Guys Without Guns Post by T And T Garage on 08/19/19 at 14:53:01 Further, all the teachers that I know have enough sh!t on their plates. The last thing they want is to do more work for no pay. Oh, and like Sero siad, who'd going to take on the liability? |
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Title: Re: Good Guys Without Guns Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/19/19 at 15:05:08 And yet Teachers are lining UP to get training and qualify for concealed carry. I guess you guys missed that. Cops, state sanctioned Good Guys with guns, aren't always twenty seconds away. Had they not been, MORE would have been dead, AND had there been a civilian Good Guy with a gun in the immediate proximity of the shooter, it's possible lives would have been saved. Why are you unable to see that? It was a Gun Free zone, again. The shooter only had to worry about cops. There were lots of them on site, according to you, and YET People DIED,, You live divorced from reality. You don't GET to decide if others have the RIGHT to self defense. Why don't you lefties just admit you want to remove the guns from the hands of the People? You wanna know how to stop drunks from killing law abiding drivers? Ban sober people from driving. TT said Yes, I would wish I had a gun. But you want to make sure YOU CAN'T. And I can't. Nobody can. Except for the Superior D.N.A. carrying State sanctioned God's. Your Bullshit rant about other things you Wish you had You COULD have. Nobody is STOPPING you. And NONE of those other things are your Natural, God given Right. Everyone has a RIGHT to protect themselves. If they have a family They have a Right and an Obligation. Dude, why do you want to be vulnerable when you don't have to? You keep SAYING Adding more guns to the equation is not the answer,, But what do cops do if Not bring guns into the situation? |
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Title: Re: Good Guys Without Guns Post by Serowbot on 08/19/19 at 15:17:30 Does anybody remember Chris Kyle,... trained, world class, sniper, with 160 kills?... shot to death at a gun range? He and his friend,... both armed,... shot by a person they were supervising. ...at a gun range, where I imagine many others were armed. You got a gun,... your buddy has gun,... in an area where many others have guns...(definitely not a "gun free zone")... and you're both killed by a nut with a gun. ...and,... you're arguably the greatest gun expert in the world. 160 combat kills... Did they need more guns?... more training?... better skills?... Kyle wrote the book on American firearms. https://www.newser.com/story/162136/american-sniper-shot-to-death-at-gun-range.html American Sniper Shot to Death at Gun Range Kyle has a forthcoming book, American Gun—A History of the US in Ten Firearms . ...but you could do better,... or a grade school teacher could... ...or maybe I could?... I know Web, and JoG, and Mn could,... 'cause they know more about weather than Climate scientists, and more about heatstroke than doctors, and more about economics than economists,... and more about guns than a man with 160 kills... Still think you're on the reasonable side?... MIKE DROP!!!... Puleze!... BOOM!!!::) |
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Title: Re: Good Guys Without Guns Post by WebsterMark on 08/19/19 at 15:25:40 3D232C2D203D263B490 wrote:
No, not all of us. All of you. Again, a trained officer is on the scene in 20 seconds and puts down a shooter in 10 seconds. What kind of training are you gonna put these teachers through? Oh, and who's gonna pay for it? Why not put that money to where it can do more good - like, um, policing and profiling... or did you miss the part where 3 mass shooting were circumvented this past week? [/quote] Huh? 20 seconds at Parkland? I was talking at Parking High School. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys Without Guns Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/19/19 at 15:30:31 Row, seatbelts don't ALWAYS save you. In a shooting You want to be Armed Or Disarmed? |
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Title: Re: Good Guys Without Guns Post by WebsterMark on 08/19/19 at 15:30:36 Does anybody remember Chris Kyle,... trained, world class, sniper, with 160 kills?... shot to death at a gun range? Ok, big deal. Do I post random times when someone with a citizen with a gun did stop somebody from getting killed and would that change you mind? I know Web, and JoG, and Mn could,... 'cause they know more about weather than Climate scientists, and more about heatstroke than doctors, and more about economics than economists,... and more about guns than a man with 160 kills... Still think you're on the reasonable side?... Are you purposely not reading and comprehending sentences? Did I say I was the guy for the job? No. Did I say anyone at random was/ No. I said in this case, if YOU were in that building and there was an active shooter going room to room and the cop outside was hiding and the cops were minutes away.... would you want a teacher with training and access to a weapon? TT said no. I get it, he's totally emasculated. You too? Screw that..... I'd want a chance. Jesus!, when did you guys turn into little girls.... |
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Title: Re: Good Guys Without Guns Post by Serowbot on 08/19/19 at 15:36:22 784A4D5C5B4A5D624E5D442F0 wrote:
;D ;D ;D Just realized you might not be joking... Exhibit A... Antifa vs. milkshake man... 083A3D2C2B3A2D123E2D345F0 wrote:
Posted,.. how many times?.... |
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Title: Re: Good Guys Without Guns Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/19/19 at 15:58:56 Does anybody remember Chris Kyle,... trained, world class, sniper, with 160 kills?... shot to death at a gun range? How does that mean Anything? How do you use that to justify taking people's Right to self defense away? More than once you've stated that the People would have no chance should the government decide to go full on tyranny,, and now you're pointing out that because someone was able to murder a trained sniper, and somehow it seems like you're saying there is no point in being armed. You OWN a gun. If someone showed up at your house, screaming threats and acting crazy, would you just dial 911 and sit down and wait to see who came through the door first Or would you go get your gun and take a position in your house where you could defend yourself? If the bad guy had a bigger gun with a big magazine, would you just throw your little gun out the window and surrender? |
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Title: Re: Good Guys Without Guns Post by Eegore on 08/19/19 at 16:07:15 "How do you use that to justify taking people's Right to self defense away?" That's a common overreach statement. Nobody is recommending removing the right to defend yourself or others in imminent harm. Nobody. You have the right to defend yourself. You do not however have the right to any and every weapon type ever developed as a means of self-defense. Where the line is however is a valid question. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys Without Guns Post by WebsterMark on 08/19/19 at 16:17:53 4751465B43565B40340 wrote:
;D ;D ;D Just realized you might not be joking... Exhibit A... Antifa vs. milkshake man... 083A3D2C2B3A2D123E2D345F0 wrote:
Posted,.. how many times?....[/quote] WTF are you talking abou??? |
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Title: Re: Good Guys Without Guns Post by Serowbot on 08/19/19 at 16:19:08 Not the point,... I sincerely believe the more guns there are, the more they are available to bad guys, and the more accidental shootings by good guys. I just posted an FBI and a DEA agent accident. One shot himself, one shot someone else. There were 47,000 shootings last year... many were accidental, not all fatal. More equals more... more guns, more shootings... The more you drive, the more likely you'll get a flat. What other country had anything remotely close to 47,000 shootings?... |
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Title: Re: Good Guys Without Guns Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/19/19 at 16:19:09 Let him speak for himself, okay? How many ways do people have to say The people don't need guns. The cops are enough Before you see what they are saying? People have the RIGHT to self defense. Ten people, unarmed people, died, In A GUN FREE ZONE,, Where was Their Right to self defense? Gone, by government mandate, proven over and over to Not only NOT protect people, but to be the EXACT place where shooters go to kill. This thread is not about Type, but about being forced to be unarmed, by government mandate, satisfying lefties and bubs who really are not right wing thinkers at all. Wanna stop these random shooting events? When twenty or thirty percent of the Crowd is generally armed, every idiot will know Open fire and die.. Which won't stop the ones who are suicidal but don't have the guts.. Like murder suicides,, hell, start with the suicide,, but they don't.. Life is messy. People are messy. Been that way since the beginning. Stop trying to handcuff people until you get your utopia. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys Without Guns Post by Serowbot on 08/19/19 at 16:26:38 073532232435221D31223B500 wrote:
;D ;D ;D Just realized you might not be joking... Exhibit A... Antifa vs. milkshake man... 083A3D2C2B3A2D123E2D345F0 wrote:
You've posted multiple times,.. a single act by Antifa, that you think proves they are more violent than white supremacists shooting masses of people. ...and yes,... two videos showing FBI and DEA trained experts accidentally shooting themselves and others in public does prove that a grade school teacher shouldn't be weaponized... |
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Title: Re: Good Guys Without Guns Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/19/19 at 16:38:30 2432253820353823570 wrote:
I'm an American. I have God given Rights, guaranteed by the Constitution. What happens in other places doesn't mean much to me. You're talking about what is legally called Prior Restraint. It's stupid and unconstitutional, too. In a non lefty reality, people are held responsible for their bad behavior, and allowed to benefit freely from their right choices. How many people die from car wrecks? Just Think of All the pain and suffering we will prevent when we ban cars! That's a Perfect analogy, it's EXACTLY analogous. It's BEEN tried your way. Step back Let us show you how to have a decent society. Be some youngass getting straightened out in school for starters. And your Freedom FROM religion at school would be over. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys Without Guns Post by WebsterMark on 08/19/19 at 16:43:20 I posted that because you called them heroes, they just defend the faith or some such BS. Pictures of dead children who died waiting for a cop shows it does. There are ways to figure this out. No one said an 80 yesr old teacher who can barely walk is gonna be packing a .44. But if I remember Parkland, wasn't there a teacher with a CC permit who said he wish he had his weapon? |
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Title: Re: Good Guys Without Guns Post by Serowbot on 08/19/19 at 16:45:32 JoG When you lose the argument, you switch tracks... We were arguing good guys with guns... now you switch to "your God given rights"... So,... even though it's dangerous and will cost lives, your God given right supersedes those lives. That's more intellectually honest. That's the kind of logic we will vote out. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys Without Guns Post by Serowbot on 08/19/19 at 16:52:09 Web You repeatedly post one incident, where one Antifa, throws one punch,... and you declare them terrorists?... The others were were girly kicking and tossing milkshakes and crazy straw... The guy barely got a bruise... ...(I suppose you would have shot them)... ::) White Supremacists have killed hundreds... in stores, synagogues, churches, and clubs... There are hate groups,.. and there are defenders against hate groups. No equivalence... |
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Title: Re: Good Guys Without Guns Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/19/19 at 17:06:30 5B4D5A475F4A475C280 wrote:
I LOST? Not to you I didn't. You are wrong and nothing but wrong. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys Without Guns Post by Eegore on 08/19/19 at 18:55:26 "Ten people, unarmed people, died, In A GUN FREE ZONE,, Where was Their Right to self defense?" They did not have their right to self defense revoked. Had they attempted to protect themselves or others from harm nobody - Nobody would prosecute them for engaging in the affirmative action of self defense. Not one person has their right to self defense revoked. Typing it over and over does not make that true. How many people in Wal Mart were required by law to enter? None. That's exactly how many had their right to self defense revoked. None. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys Without Guns Post by Eegore on 08/19/19 at 19:02:23 "I'm an American. I have God given Rights, guaranteed by the Constitution. What happens in other places doesn't mean much to me." Unless its bringing up how all teachers in Israel carry guns. Which doesn't happen. "...and yes,... two videos showing FBI and DEA trained experts accidentally shooting themselves and others in public does prove that a grade school teacher shouldn't be weaponized..." There is no part of Federal training that exceeds the national standard available to civilians that reduces the potential for accidental shooting with one's own firearm. Training is concentrated typically on handling a weapon under duress, and quick judgement application. The safety stuff is pretty much universal. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys Without Guns Post by T And T Garage on 08/20/19 at 05:00:02 053730212637201F332039520 wrote:
No, not all of us. All of you. Again, a trained officer is on the scene in 20 seconds and puts down a shooter in 10 seconds. What kind of training are you gonna put these teachers through? Oh, and who's gonna pay for it? Why not put that money to where it can do more good - like, um, policing and profiling... or did you miss the part where 3 mass shooting were circumvented this past week? [/quote] Huh? 20 seconds at Parkland? I was talking at Parking High School.[/quote] I'm talking about Dayton. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys Without Guns Post by T And T Garage on 08/20/19 at 05:07:23 455A5C5B4641704070485A561D2F0 wrote:
Idiotic rant by you jog. But then again, you're a trump supporter and you thought Sandy Hook was a false flag. Your opinion means jack. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys Without Guns Post by WebsterMark on 08/20/19 at 05:27:04 The fact police were on scene that quickly is great, but, that's the exception, not the rule. Parkland High School timeline 2:19 p.m. The suspect exited an Uber car, arriving at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School around dismissal time. Uber has confirmed to TIME that Cruz did use the service and said they are working with authorities. 2:21 p.m. The shooter allegedly enters the school and takes his AR-15 out of a case. He begins shooting into three classrooms, returning to two of them, shot into anther classroom, then shot into two more classrooms before dropping his rifle. 2:28 p.m. The suspect is believed to have run outside, mixing in with students who were running away from the scene. 2:50 p.m. Police say the alleged shooter went into a Walmart and bought a drink at a Subway before leaving on foot. 3:01 p.m. The suspect allegedly walked into a McDonald’s, sat down for a while and then left on foot again. 3:41 p.m. Cruz was taken into custody by a police officer without incident, after the officer matched the 19-year-old’s clothing with a description being shared by authorities. That's 7 minutes moving fron room to room. I'd rather have a system in place where schools have a goal to have a couple of regularly trained teachers with access to a firearm. Its a million to one chance, but if I'm in that room, and even if you're in that room, you'd take it. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys Without Guns Post by T And T Garage on 08/20/19 at 12:37:17 Here's another great example - good for this mom and the FBI! FBI: Truck driver threatened mass shooting at Memphis church A truck driver who threatened to "shoot up" a church in Memphis and said he was haunted by "spiritual snakes and spiders" people put in his bed was arrested in Indiana, less than a week before the day of the planned attacks, authorities said in newly filed court records. Thomas Matthew McVicker was arrested in Indianapolis on Friday, according to a criminal complaint unsealed this week. It's the most recent case in a string of men being arrested around the country for threatening to carry out shootings. McVicker, 38, made "credible threats to conduct a mass shooting and suicide" planned for this coming Thursday, an FBI special agent said in a sworn affidavit. He was arrested by Indiana State Police and the FBI, said Chris Bavender, an FBI spokesman in Indianapolis. Earlier this month, a friend of McVicker in Fairhope, Alabama, told a Florida FBI officer McVicker had been considering a mass shooting at a church or killing people on the street. Later, in a telephone call, the friend said McVicker told her the church shooting would happen when he was in Memphis on Thursday and that he "intended to take his knife and slit the pastor's throat." His mother told the FBI McVicker owned a Ruger P90 handgun and sometimes uses cocaine and methamphetamine. She also said her son is being treated for schizophrenia. McVicker told his Alabama friend "evil entities entered his body and are torturing him," the affidavit states. The friend asked McVicker why he wanted to kill innocent people, and he said "they put spiritual snakes and spiders in my bed at night," the FBI agent wrote. "I've only seen them a couple of times but they take form and I can feel them crawling on me and under me," the affidavit states. The FBI says it confirmed with McVicker's employer that he requested leave time Thursday and that he indicated in the request that he would spend the leave time in Memphis, the affidavit states. The affidavit doesn't specify a motive, nor does it identify a specific Memphis church. McVicker's friend did not learn of an exact location from the phone call. However, "McVicker insisted that 'something' would happen when he was in Memphis," the affidavit states. The Memphis Police Department was notified of the threat, which did not mention a specific church, police spokesman Louis Brownlee said Tuesday. Memphis police work regularly with state and federal authorities on these types of threats "to stay ahead of the curve," Brownlee said. Earle Fisher, pastor at Abyssinian Missionary Baptist Church in Memphis, said he would be reaching out to his congregation to tell them about the threat and inform them that the church has security measures in place. "It's tragic that we are in a climate that even in your house of worship, in what is supposed to be a sacred and safe space, you have to take up measures that might include making sure that you have armed security in your sanctuary to make sure that your parishioners are safe," Fisher said. After the initial tip, a task force officer in the FBI's Tampa division conducted much of the investigation, reaching out to McVicker's friend, mother and company, among other things, the affidavit shows. The case "supports our message that the FBI takes all tips from the public seriously and continually works with federal, state and local law enforcement partners to keep our communities safe," Tampa FBI spokeswoman Andrea Aprea said in an email. Court records in Alabama show McVicker received a ticket for driving a truck in an improper lane in Jefferson County, which includes Birmingham, in June 2014. He was working for Swift Transportation of Gary, Indiana, at the time, records show. McVicker failed to pay the fine until 13 months later, after his driver's license was suspended, records show. Court records list McVicker's address as Punta Gorda, Florida, but his Alabama friend told the FBI that McVicker lives in his semi. The records don't list a lawyer who could be reached for comment on McVicker's behalf. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys Without Guns Post by Eegore on 08/20/19 at 13:34:35 "Not one single teacher I know is or wants to. What's your source on information?" Multiple schools in the nation have weapon carry policies in place. https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/ywq8b5/teachers-armed-guns-classroom-state-laws |
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Title: Re: Good Guys Without Guns Post by T And T Garage on 08/20/19 at 13:42:15 5575777F6275100 wrote:
Yes, they're allowed to carry. But they're not all trained. In the case of Florida, they're going to spend $67 million. That, to me, is crazy. Further, what about the liability? Is it on the teacher? Could a litigious victim's family sue the school? No, not a good idea. Better policing is what's needed. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys Without Guns Post by Eegore on 08/20/19 at 13:48:09 I was only answering this statement: "Not one single teacher I know is or wants to" Multiple teachers in multiple states want and will carry. "Further, what about the liability? Is it on the teacher? Could a litigious victim's family sue the school?" Every participating program will have its own agreements as to what and where liability exists and with whom. An armed teacher agreement is really no different than an armed security staff agreement and thousands of those exist and are in use every day. Typically negligence is the responsibility of the person carrying. Typically accidents are absorbed through insurance and compensation. Typically families sue anyway. There is not a lot of legal precedence to go off of at this time. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys Without Guns Post by T And T Garage on 08/20/19 at 13:52:09 1D3D3F372A3D580 wrote:
So, all in all, it's a great idea!!! <<<<<sarcasm It's sad that this is where we're at today in our school system. Yes, I know, there were "duck and cover" drills in the 50's and 60's, but this... Active shooter drills, arming teachers, triage training. It's just sad. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys Without Guns Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/21/19 at 04:20:23 Crazies have always been. Not being prepared is sad. Want fewer crazies? Knock off the panzy approach to raising kids. Counseling is fine, for some. Others need a paddle and sometimes even that won't change them. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys Without Guns Post by WebsterMark on 08/21/19 at 05:10:23 So, all in all, it's a great idea!!! It's one idea, it's not THE idea, just one. Nothing wrong with trying it. Let the schools decide. Only problem is most school upper administrators are wussy libs. Remember, the Parkland school shooter should have been treated far differently than he was. He was trouble for years. How many times did police go to his house? And you want to rely on these people for everything? No thanks. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys Without Guns Post by T And T Garage on 08/22/19 at 07:10:44 Yet another example: Man with arsenal allegedly threatened hotel mass shooting LONG BEACH, Calif. (AP) A cook at a Los Angeles-area hotel was arrested after he allegedly threatened a mass shooting and stockpiled guns and hundreds of rounds of ammunition at his home, police said Wednesday. Rodolfo Montoya, 37, was taken into custody Tuesday at his Huntington Beach home, police said. Montoya was upset over a work-related human resources issue when he told a co-worker at the Long Beach Marriott on Monday that "he was going to shoot up fellow employees and people coming into the hotel," Police Chief Robert Luna said. The employee told the hotel's general manager, who contacted police. A search of Montoya's Huntington Beach home turned up assault-style rifles and other weapons, dozens of high-capacity magazines and hundreds of bullets, police said. Montoya "had clear plans, intent and the means to carry out an act of violence that may have resulted in a mass casualty incident," Luna said. At the news conference, Luna thanked Imran Ahmed, the hotel's general manager, for calling authorities. "Sir, you saved many lives, not only of your employees but any customers that may have been at the Marriott when this guy decided to show up and carry out his threat," Luna said. The chief said Montoya didn't appear to have any criminal history that would have prevented him from legally buying guns, although some of the weapons and high-capacity magazines at his home may be illegal. Montoya was held on suspicion of making, possessing and distributing assault weapons and making criminal threats. He was held on $500,000 bail. It wasn't immediately clear whether he has an attorney. All those lives saved.... with no guns needed. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys Without Guns Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/23/19 at 04:46:06 Gee, too bad not every homicidal maniac gets caught before he starts shooting. BUT IT DOESN'T WORK LIKE THAT.. Yeah, more guns is what we need. More average folks Carrying |
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Title: Re: Good Guys Without Guns Post by Eegore on 08/23/19 at 05:22:20 It's not like anyone is saying get rid of all guns and go with a report to police only option. Also nobody is saying arm everyone and forget about reporting. |
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Title: Re: Good Guys Without Guns Post by WebsterMark on 08/23/19 at 08:28:56 5A7A78706D7A1F0 wrote:
Of those two, I've heard the first mentioned by people referred to as somewhat in the mainstream of the left. On the other side, I can't say I've ever heard anyone considered in the mainstream of the right say that. Maybe I'm wrong. Sure someone will look that up....... |
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Title: Re: Good Guys Without Guns Post by T And T Garage on 08/23/19 at 11:10:05 7B5B59514C5B3E0 wrote:
Agreed. However, the right-wing seems to think that any - and I mean any restrictions will immediately lead to banning all guns. It's just not true. It's a scare tactic used by the NRA to stir the base. Forget about the nearly 400 million guns out there right now that no one can our should touch. A voluntary donation could be set up to get rid of the assault weapons. Voluntary |
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