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Title: Yeah but who cares? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/13/19 at 07:08:54 https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-zuQ0bOvy4GM/XVGMUSvEFHI/AAAAAAAAgV4/AQtZD6BZ60QRPmZWLMdNjfAFGY9T9YZ6wCLcBGAs/s1600/Illegals%2Bkill%2Bmore%2Bthan%2Bmass%2Bshooters.png http://https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-zuQ0bOvy4GM/XVGMUSvEFHI/AAAAAAAAgV4/AQtZD6BZ60QRPmZWLMdNjfAFGY9T9YZ6wCLcBGAs/s1600/Illegals%2Bkill%2Bmore%2Bthan%2Bmass%2Bshooters.png

Title: Re: Yeah but who cares? Post by MnSpring on 08/13/19 at 08:03:02 That is OK, in fact encouraged by the UL, FDS, Socialists. The GOAL, of the UL, FDS, Socialists, (and the likes of CU/BS/AOC), is NOT, to 'protect' Citizens. The GOAL, is to, Ban guns. Which includes all the crocodile tears the UL, FDS, DSA people are crying over 'SOME' shootings, and screaming for, 'Common Sense' gun controls, which non of them have any idea of what they could be, but will all be happy with a Ban. The final GOAL in perhaps 100 years +/-, is to make this Country, totally Socialist. Put a frog in a pan of 'cold' water.

Title: Re: Yeah but who cares? Post by Serowbot on 08/13/19 at 08:26:29 Both illegal and legal immigrants have a lower violent crime rate than the national average. So, get that little girls father back to her and make America safe again.

Title: Re: Yeah but who cares? Post by WebsterMark on 08/13/19 at 08:57:08 Both illegal and legal immigrants have a lower violent crime rate than the national average. That's one of those repeated "facts" that I'm not sure of. And by including legal immigrants which includes high level doctors and engineers, it purposely clouds the issue.   The topic is illegal immigrants. Those who break into the country. What's the real crime data?

Title: Re: Yeah but who cares? Post by MnSpring on 08/13/19 at 09:36:23 The DSA’s and like, are talking about Common Sense, Laws. Here are just two, with the goal of saving a great deal of lives. Car accidents: Good progress has been made concerning hands free driving, and radar detection of other cars to avoid accidents. Yet there can be more done, right now. 1. A device in all Motor Vehicles, that is built in on new cars, and will just plug into a cigarette lighter/accessory port on older cars. which emits a signal which will not allow any cell phone to operate, while the motor is running. In the case of a total elect vehicle, whenever a wheel is moving. In the case of a classic, which has no port, such a device needs to be hard wired in. 2. All Motor Vehicles, will have a device attached, which to start/move/drive the M.V.  The drivers seat belt needs to be extended, and attached, and the driver must blow into that device to determine, not intoxicated, to start the M.V.. The car will automatically stop, when the Seat belt is taken off, or retracted. On any M.V. which does not have a seat belt, one will be installed so the device can be functionally attached. 3. In the event a M.V. is considered a classic, a certificate, accompanied by a photo, to exempt that classic from rule 1 & 2, will be supplied.   To obtain that exemption, the owner will make a appointment at a M.V. inspection station, and pay the required fee. That exception certificate, shall only be issued to M.V.’s which are over 30 years old at the date of applying. That exception certificate, must be in that M.V. at all times. That exception certificate must be renewed annually. That exception certificate requires that M.V. may not be be driven over 15 MPH. That exception certificate also requires a certificate from a, Counsel/Town/County/State, signifying where and when, (dates and time), that M.V. can be driven. Examples are a Parade, Car Show, Museum.  Any out of the M.V. registered home state. Requires a State certificate, as well as one from the  Counsel/Town/County in that State. To Transport to and from such a event, a covered and locked trailer is necessary. NOTE: None of these laws will infringe in any way, on the freedom of, a persons ability to use, own, drive, a M.V. Many  more, ‘Common Sense’, Laws. Regarding many other aspects will soon follow. Including, but not limited to: Public display of personal items, such a flag, or bumper sticker. / Public display of protest of a position. / Public display of a position on any internet/social media platform. / A National database of: Native-Born/Naturalized Citizens/ Illegals, Murder rate. / Guns: 1. Enforce the laws already on the books. 2. Punish a Federal AG, for circumventing those laws.

Title: Re: Yeah but who cares? Post by T And T Garage on 08/13/19 at 09:49:10 Here's some data: Fact Check: Trump's claims on undocumented immigrant crime rates. Here's what the numbers show. President Donald Trump, speaking in New Orleans on Monday, listed tens of thousands of crimes he said were committed by undocumented immigrants, part of a pattern of statements he’s made linking immigrants to crime in his effort to gain support for his proposed border wall. Here’s the problem: There is no national database that compares crimes committed by immigration status. In fact, only one state – Texas – does so. That means there’s no national database that breaks down crimes committed by native-born citizens or immigrants, or those in the country illegally, making it difficult to confirm or dispute the president’s numbers. What available studies do show, however, is that overall, crime rates are lower among immigrant groups than they are among native-born Americans. Walter Ewing, an editor and writer for the American Immigration Council, a group that advocates for immigrants, puts it this way: “You can find any demographic group that you like and it’s going to include murderers. You can look at redheads and blondes and it’s going to include murders. But that’s not the point, the point is what the crime rates are,” he said. Comparing overall crime rates for different groups is the best way to determine if a particular group poses a significantly greater threat than others. “And if the likelihood is low, particularly compared to natives, then it’s disingenuous to claim they’re going to be a threat,” Ewing added. Alex Nowrasteh, a senior immigration policy analyst with the libertarian Cato Institute, points to Texas as an example, since it’s the state with the best data on crimes committed and counted by immigration status and was the subject of a recent report he wrote showing that criminal conviction and arrest rates for immigrants were "well below" those of native-born Americans. Here’s the breakdown: Undocumented immigrants make up just over 6 percent of the state's population, legal immigrants made up over 10 percent, and native-born Americans make up over 80 percent, according to the most recent American Community Survey data and the Center for Migration Studies. Meanwhile, undocumented immigrants were convicted of 5.9 percent of all the homicides in Texas, legal immigrants were convicted of 3.8 percent of homicides, and native-born Americans were convicted of about 90 percent of all the homicides in Texas, according an analysis of 2015 Texas state data by Nowrasteh. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fact-check-trumps-claims-illegal-immigrant-crime-rates/story?id=60311860

Title: Re: Yeah but who cares? Post by Eegore on 08/13/19 at 09:58:41 "The GOAL, is to, Ban guns."  Specific guns, not all guns.  Because a few people said "all" doesn't mean that is the collective goal.  Besides guns don't keep you from being killed by the Government anyway.  They are good for personal protection from people with equal or lesser weaponry. "The car will automatically stop, when the Seat belt is taken off, or retracted."  It will need a time-delay function with a warning.  A vehicle stopping in the middle of a busy highway is dangerous also.  The rest sound good.  None of that will change anyone's opinion on guns with a high murder rate per minute ratio because comparing cars to guns is an amateur-hour comparison that nobody takes seriously.  The principle is sound but the methodology is old and ineffective.

Title: Re: Yeah but who cares? Post by verslagen1 on 08/13/19 at 10:03:58 Quote: Alex Nowrasteh, a senior immigration policy analyst with the libertarian Cato Institute, points to Texas as an example, since it’s the state with the best data on crimes committed and counted by immigration status and was the subject of a recent report he wrote showing that criminal conviction and arrest rates for immigrants were "well below" those of native-born Americans. Here’s the breakdown: Undocumented immigrants make up just over 6 percent of the state's population, legal immigrants made up over 10 percent, and native-born Americans make up over 80 percent, according to the most recent American Community Survey data and the Center for Migration Studies. Meanwhile, undocumented immigrants were convicted of 5.9 percent of all the homicides in Texas, legal immigrants were convicted of 3.8 percent of homicides, and native-born Americans were convicted of about 90 percent of all the homicides in Texas, according an analysis of 2015 Texas state data by Nowrasteh. That analysis just doesn't equate the "well below" status does it. 6% of the population vs 6% of the homicides means they are just as likely. They may be harder to arrest or convict because they've ran back over the border.

Title: Re: Yeah but who cares? Post by T And T Garage on 08/13/19 at 10:12:42 544750514E4345474C13220 wrote: Quote: Alex Nowrasteh, a senior immigration policy analyst with the libertarian Cato Institute, points to Texas as an example, since it’s the state with the best data on crimes committed and counted by immigration status and was the subject of a recent report he wrote showing that criminal conviction and arrest rates for immigrants were "well below" those of native-born Americans. Here’s the breakdown: Undocumented immigrants make up just over 6 percent of the state's population, legal immigrants made up over 10 percent, and native-born Americans make up over 80 percent, according to the most recent American Community Survey data and the Center for Migration Studies. Meanwhile, undocumented immigrants were convicted of 5.9 percent of all the homicides in Texas, legal immigrants were convicted of 3.8 percent of homicides, and native-born Americans were convicted of about 90 percent of all the homicides in Texas, according an analysis of 2015 Texas state data by Nowrasteh. That analysis just doesn't equate the "well below" status does it. 6% of the population vs 6% of the homicides means they are just as likely. They may be harder to arrest or convict because they've ran back over the border. Well, to be clear, that's only Texas.

Title: Re: Yeah but who cares? Post by MnSpring on 08/13/19 at 10:48:07 4A6A68607D6A0F0 wrote:  “…Specific guns, not all guns…”   Today.   Tomorrow more, and the next day, all. “…None of that will change anyone’s opinion on guns with a high murder rate per minute ratio…” Very easy to use a gun that is 100 + years old, and exceed the, 'murder rate' of a modern 'Scary' type gun. If the goal is high murder rate.   So if the criteria becomes, ’…high murder rate…’, that’s a whole bunch more Guns. “…comparing cars to guns is an amateur-hour…” If the goal is to save lives, would not someone start with the easiest thing? Ah, but the goal is, NOT, to save lives. “…The rest sound good…” Is very telling.

Title: Re: Yeah but who cares? Post by verslagen1 on 08/13/19 at 12:17:16 667877767B667D60120 wrote: [quote author=544750514E4345474C13220 link=1565705334/0#7 date=1565715838] Quote: Alex Nowrasteh, a senior immigration policy analyst with the libertarian Cato Institute, points to Texas as an example, since it’s the state with the best data on crimes committed and counted by immigration status and was the subject of a recent report he wrote showing that criminal conviction and arrest rates for immigrants were "well below" those of native-born Americans. Here’s the breakdown: Undocumented immigrants make up just over 6 percent of the state's population, legal immigrants made up over 10 percent, and native-born Americans make up over 80 percent, according to the most recent American Community Survey data and the Center for Migration Studies. Meanwhile, undocumented immigrants were convicted of 5.9 percent of all the homicides in Texas, legal immigrants were convicted of 3.8 percent of homicides, and native-born Americans were convicted of about 90 percent of all the homicides in Texas, according an analysis of 2015 Texas state data by Nowrasteh. That analysis just doesn't equate the "well below" status does it. 6% of the population vs 6% of the homicides means they are just as likely. They may be harder to arrest or convict because they've ran back over the border. Well, to be clear, that's only Texas. [/quote] To be clear... Quote: Nowrasteh is a self-described "radical" advocate for open borders who's likely to downplay immigrant con's. To be clear... That's the only state with data, currently a republican state and it appears that's about to change.   You can guess what will happen to the data.

Title: Re: Yeah but who cares? Post by T And T Garage on 08/13/19 at 12:39:22 52415657484543414A15240 wrote: [quote author=667877767B667D60120 link=1565705334/0#8 date=1565716362][quote author=544750514E4345474C13220 link=1565705334/0#7 date=1565715838] Quote: Alex Nowrasteh, a senior immigration policy analyst with the libertarian Cato Institute, points to Texas as an example, since it’s the state with the best data on crimes committed and counted by immigration status and was the subject of a recent report he wrote showing that criminal conviction and arrest rates for immigrants were "well below" those of native-born Americans. Here’s the breakdown: Undocumented immigrants make up just over 6 percent of the state's population, legal immigrants made up over 10 percent, and native-born Americans make up over 80 percent, according to the most recent American Community Survey data and the Center for Migration Studies. Meanwhile, undocumented immigrants were convicted of 5.9 percent of all the homicides in Texas, legal immigrants were convicted of 3.8 percent of homicides, and native-born Americans were convicted of about 90 percent of all the homicides in Texas, according an analysis of 2015 Texas state data by Nowrasteh. That analysis just doesn't equate the "well below" status does it. 6% of the population vs 6% of the homicides means they are just as likely. They may be harder to arrest or convict because they've ran back over the border. Well, to be clear, that's only Texas. [/quote] To be clear... Quote: Nowrasteh is a self-described "radical" advocate for open borders who's likely to downplay immigrant con's. To be clear... That's the only state with data, currently a republican state and it appears that's about to change.   You can guess what will happen to the data.[/quote] Well vers, I'm only posting a fact. You can find foil hats anywhere....

Title: Re: Yeah but who cares? Post by Eegore on 08/13/19 at 13:00:22 "Very easy to use a gun that is 100 + years old, and exceed the, 'murder rate' of a modern 'Scary' type gun. If the goal is high murder rate.   So if the criteria becomes, ’…high murder rate…’, that’s a whole bunch more Guns."  Nothing about age of gun has been proposed.  Availability of a high murder rate per minute weapon is the primary concern.  If guns that are 100 years old are easy to acquire legally and are used in mass murders then they qualify for the "concern" of weapons used in mass-murder with a high murder rate per minute. "If the goal is to save lives, would not someone start with the easiest thing? Ah, but the goal is, NOT, to save lives."  Yes but restricting personal vehicle use is not easier.  Go put your proposals forth and see how many people jump on board.    What you are proposing is harder, not easier. "Is very telling."  Is it "telling" that I believe that those proposals would save lives?  I think they would.

Title: Re: Yeah but who cares? Post by verslagen1 on 08/13/19 at 13:12:44 716F60616C716A77050 wrote: [quote author=52415657484543414A15240 link=1565705334/0#10 date=1565723836][quote author=667877767B667D60120 link=1565705334/0#8 date=1565716362][quote author=544750514E4345474C13220 link=1565705334/0#7 date=1565715838] Quote: Alex Nowrasteh, a senior immigration policy analyst with the libertarian Cato Institute, points to Texas as an example, since it’s the state with the best data on crimes committed and counted by immigration status and was the subject of a recent report he wrote showing that criminal conviction and arrest rates for immigrants were "well below" those of native-born Americans. Here’s the breakdown: Undocumented immigrants make up just over 6 percent of the state's population, legal immigrants made up over 10 percent, and native-born Americans make up over 80 percent, according to the most recent American Community Survey data and the Center for Migration Studies. Meanwhile, undocumented immigrants were convicted of 5.9 percent of all the homicides in Texas, legal immigrants were convicted of 3.8 percent of homicides, and native-born Americans were convicted of about 90 percent of all the homicides in Texas, according an analysis of 2015 Texas state data by Nowrasteh. That analysis just doesn't equate the "well below" status does it. 6% of the population vs 6% of the homicides means they are just as likely. They may be harder to arrest or convict because they've ran back over the border. Well, to be clear, that's only Texas. [/quote] To be clear... Quote: Nowrasteh is a self-described "radical" advocate for open borders who's likely to downplay immigrant con's. To be clear... That's the only state with data, currently a republican state and it appears that's about to change.   You can guess what will happen to the data.[/quote] Well vers, I'm only posting a fact. You can find foil hats anywhere....[/quote] A distorted fact. So you can take your foil hat off any time you want.

Title: Re: Yeah but who cares? Post by T And T Garage on 08/13/19 at 14:04:47 746770716E6365676C33020 wrote: [quote author=716F60616C716A77050 link=1565705334/0#11 date=1565725162][quote author=52415657484543414A15240 link=1565705334/0#10 date=1565723836][quote author=667877767B667D60120 link=1565705334/0#8 date=1565716362][quote author=544750514E4345474C13220 link=1565705334/0#7 date=1565715838] Quote: Alex Nowrasteh, a senior immigration policy analyst with the libertarian Cato Institute, points to Texas as an example, since it’s the state with the best data on crimes committed and counted by immigration status and was the subject of a recent report he wrote showing that criminal conviction and arrest rates for immigrants were "well below" those of native-born Americans. Here’s the breakdown: Undocumented immigrants make up just over 6 percent of the state's population, legal immigrants made up over 10 percent, and native-born Americans make up over 80 percent, according to the most recent American Community Survey data and the Center for Migration Studies. Meanwhile, undocumented immigrants were convicted of 5.9 percent of all the homicides in Texas, legal immigrants were convicted of 3.8 percent of homicides, and native-born Americans were convicted of about 90 percent of all the homicides in Texas, according an analysis of 2015 Texas state data by Nowrasteh. That analysis just doesn't equate the "well below" status does it. 6% of the population vs 6% of the homicides means they are just as likely. They may be harder to arrest or convict because they've ran back over the border. Well, to be clear, that's only Texas. [/quote] To be clear... Quote: Nowrasteh is a self-described "radical" advocate for open borders who's likely to downplay immigrant con's. To be clear... That's the only state with data, currently a republican state and it appears that's about to change.   You can guess what will happen to the data.[/quote] Well vers, I'm only posting a fact. You can find foil hats anywhere....[/quote] A distorted fact. So you can take your foil hat off any time you want.[/quote] When are you going to stop beating your wife? See how that works, vers? You, for some reason, take one self-described radical and plaster their belief across the entire democratic field. It's simply not the way it is. Are all republicans white nationalists?  Nope. I showed the data, plain and simple with zero commentary. You take offense and go off on a partisan tangent. Well vers - you do you, m'kay?

Title: Re: Yeah but who cares? Post by verslagen1 on 08/13/19 at 14:57:32 524C43424F524954260 wrote: [quote author=746770716E6365676C33020 link=1565705334/0#13 date=1565727164][quote author=716F60616C716A77050 link=1565705334/0#11 date=1565725162][quote author=52415657484543414A15240 link=1565705334/0#10 date=1565723836][quote author=667877767B667D60120 link=1565705334/0#8 date=1565716362][quote author=544750514E4345474C13220 link=1565705334/0#7 date=1565715838] Quote: Alex Nowrasteh, a senior immigration policy analyst with the libertarian Cato Institute, points to Texas as an example, since it’s the state with the best data on crimes committed and counted by immigration status and was the subject of a recent report he wrote showing that criminal conviction and arrest rates for immigrants were "well below" those of native-born Americans. Here’s the breakdown: Undocumented immigrants make up just over 6 percent of the state's population, legal immigrants made up over 10 percent, and native-born Americans make up over 80 percent, according to the most recent American Community Survey data and the Center for Migration Studies. Meanwhile, undocumented immigrants were convicted of 5.9 percent of all the homicides in Texas, legal immigrants were convicted of 3.8 percent of homicides, and native-born Americans were convicted of about 90 percent of all the homicides in Texas, according an analysis of 2015 Texas state data by Nowrasteh. That analysis just doesn't equate the "well below" status does it. 6% of the population vs 6% of the homicides means they are just as likely. They may be harder to arrest or convict because they've ran back over the border. Well, to be clear, that's only Texas. [/quote] To be clear... Quote: Nowrasteh is a self-described "radical" advocate for open borders who's likely to downplay immigrant con's. To be clear... That's the only state with data, currently a republican state and it appears that's about to change.   You can guess what will happen to the data.[/quote] Well vers, I'm only posting a fact. You can find foil hats anywhere....[/quote] A distorted fact. So you can take your foil hat off any time you want.[/quote] When are you going to stop beating your wife? See how that works, vers? You, for some reason, take one self-described radical and plaster their belief across the entire democratic field. It's simply not the way it is. Are all republicans white nationalists?  Nope. I showed the data, plain and simple with zero commentary. You take offense and go off on a partisan tangent. Well vers - you do you, m'kay?[/quote] You brought him into the picture and take his distorted view as your own. You call it "data", it's 1 eyed data, but as long as it's your own that's fine with you. I didn't look at who it was until the facts didn't line up with his analysis. when you take his lies as your truth, it makes you a liar or an imbecile. BTW, has she rescinded the restraining order?

Title: Re: Yeah but who cares? Post by T And T Garage on 08/13/19 at 15:00:21 62716667787573717A25140 wrote: You brought him into the picture and take his distorted view as your own. You call it "data", it's 1 eyed data, but as long as it's your own that's fine with you. I didn't look at who it was until the facts didn't line up with his analysis. when you take his lies as your truth, it makes you a liar or an imbecile. BTW, has she rescinded the restraining order? Well, then let's truly beat this dead horse, shall we? The fact is, vers - there simply isn't enough data either way to know whether or not illegals commit more crimes per capita than citizens. So... this whole thread is moot. Thanks for playing.

Title: Re: Yeah but who cares? Post by verslagen1 on 08/13/19 at 15:07:54 ok, imbecile it is.

Title: Re: Yeah but who cares? Post by Serowbot on 08/13/19 at 15:12:57 reply #15... Most quotes in a single post... EVER!... ;D

Title: Re: Yeah but who cares? Post by T And T Garage on 08/13/19 at 15:18:36 150611100F0204060D52630 wrote: ok, imbecile it is. What do you mean? You're actually calling me an imbecile? LOL - that's rich. Thanks for taking the low road vers. I should have expected as much.

Title: Re: Yeah but who cares? Post by Serowbot on 08/13/19 at 15:19:27 I don't care if illegals or long time residents are more or less violent,... Those people that were taken away were hard working folks, doing jobs not many people would do.... ... and that little girl deserves her daddy back. This was pure theater for the MAGA people. Most of those people will be returned home, and get green cards. We need hard workers.   We don't have job shortages, we have worker shortages. If Trump sends them away, he's an idiot. Well,.. I'm not actually holding my breath for him get any smarter. :-?

Title: Re: Yeah but who cares? Post by MnSpring on 08/13/19 at 16:25:21 6670677A62777A61150 wrote: "...This was pure theater for the MAGA people..." Like AOC crying crocodile tears, over a parking lot ?

Title: Re: Yeah but who cares? Post by Serowbot on 08/13/19 at 16:27:32 6E4D7053514A4D44230 wrote: [quote author=6670677A62777A61150 link=1565705334/15#20 date=1565734767] "...This was pure theater for the MAGA people..." Like AOC crying crocodile tears, over a parking lot ? [/quote] with a splash of racist hate...

Title: Re: Yeah but who cares? Post by MnSpring on 08/13/19 at 16:36:30 1737353D2037520 wrote: "... restricting personal vehicle use is not easier..."   I believe it is, a whole lot easier, than going door to door and say, 'Gimme all your Guns" Even, Bernie Sanders says: “99.9 percent of gun owners” would never commit gun violence," Yet he want's them all to make “concessions”. Saving lives, was never the goal. Confiscating firearms is.

Title: Re: Yeah but who cares? Post by T And T Garage on 08/13/19 at 18:26:15 7D5E634042595E57300 wrote: [quote author=1737353D2037520 link=1565705334/0#12 date=1565726422] "... restricting personal vehicle use is not easier..."   I believe it is, a whole lot easier, than going door to door and say, 'Gimme all your Guns" Even, Bernie Sanders says: “99.9 percent of gun owners” would never commit gun violence," Yet he want's them all to make “concessions”. Hey, that's the price of freedom.... see how that works? Saving lives, was never the goal. Confiscating firearms is. [/quote]

Title: Re: Yeah but who cares? Post by Eegore on 08/15/19 at 16:25:49 "I believe it is, a whole lot easier, than going door to door and say, 'Gimme all your Guns""  I agree if indeed anyone ever said they would go door to door.  That's a logistical disaster that would take decades to complete.  My point is far, far more people use vehicles than firearms.  Even more use cell phones.  More businesses rely on vehicle transportation than firearm use.  Its easier to restrict the usage of an item that is in use by fewer people in fewer intervals.  Many people use a cellphone and a vehicle daily.  Nowhere near as many shoot a gun daily.  If an employer has 100 employees and 99 of them use a hammer every day, and some idiot kills another person with a hammer causing the employer to implement hammer-use restriction they will have to apply this process to 99% of their employee base.  If an employer has 100 employees and 50 of them use a screwdriver every day, and some idiot kills another person with a screwdriver causing the employer to implement screwdriver-use restriction they will have to apply this process to 50% of their employee base.  If an employer has 100 employees and 75% of them use a wrench once a week, or once a year on hunting trips, and some idiot kills another person with a wrench causing an employer to implement wrench-use restrictions they have to apply this to 75% of their employee base at only a portion of the working year.  So any employer building a program to develop, implement and enforce a tool-use restriction would have an easier time applying this to the smallest employee base percentage.

Title: Re: Yeah but who cares? Post by Serowbot on 08/15/19 at 17:13:17 No need to go door to door,... you make ownership a felony and most people won't risk the crime. You get caught with one, and you lose all your guns as a convicted felon. There will always still be a hidden few,... but they are effectively useless to any law abiding person, and will soon become unobtainable to criminals due to rarity. If any criminal was caught using one, and it traced back to you,... you would be a felon. Not worth the risk. In a relatively short period of time,.. they are no longer statistically in circulation. And,... mass shooters are limited to 10 shot magazines.   (Knowing you will have to pause less than 10 seconds into a crowd shooting might make some shooters rethink their invulnerability.)

Title: Re: Yeah but who cares? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/16/19 at 00:25:57 Lefties drooling over taking guns.

Title: Re: Yeah but who cares? Post by zevenenergie on 08/16/19 at 02:39:17 The problem is not the guns. The problem is the ego. Ego is identification with thoughts. Thought like; i am an american or; he is a foreigner he is right or he is left. These identities argue with each other. or shoot each other down. or destroy each other on a large scale. It happens everywhere, and it is of al time,s. The ego unable to love. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MVRHTBOGTQ The solution comes from the heart. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVO8gjn3dFg

Title: Re: Yeah but who cares? Post by MnSpring on 08/16/19 at 12:43:35 322C23222F322934460 wrote: see how that works? I know exactaly how it works. Saving lives, was, and never will be the goal. Confiscating firearms is, and always will be, the goal.

Title: Re: Yeah but who cares? Post by Serowbot on 08/16/19 at 13:19:54 A firearm is just a tool, remember?... You act like they're your babies... Oh that's right,.. you're okay with Trump confiscating babies. My mistake...

Title: Re: Yeah but who cares? Post by verslagen1 on 08/16/19 at 13:45:05 2C3A2D30283D302B5F0 wrote: A firearm is just a tool, remember?... You act like they're your babies... Oh that's right,.. you're okay with Trump confiscating babies. My mistake... Only when they are crossing the border... Oh wait, you're good with human trafficking.

Title: Re: Yeah but who cares? Post by Serowbot on 08/16/19 at 13:56:49 3E2D3A3B24292F2D2679480 wrote: [quote author=2C3A2D30283D302B5F0 link=1565705334/30#30 date=1565986794]A firearm is just a tool, remember?... You act like they're your babies... Oh that's right,.. you're okay with Trump confiscating babies. My mistake... Only when they are crossing the border... Oh wait, you're good with human trafficking.[/quote] When it's not by force, it's called immigration.

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