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Message started by T And T Garage on 07/09/19 at 12:45:14

Title: Conspiracyland
Post by T And T Garage on 07/09/19 at 12:45:14

Populated by right-wingers.  No surprise, really.

The true origins of the Seth Rich conspiracy theory.


WASHINGTON — In the summer of 2016, Russian intelligence agents secretly planted a fake report claiming that Democratic National Committee staffer Seth Rich was gunned down by a squad of assassins working for Hillary Clinton, giving rise to a notorious conspiracy theory that captivated conservative activists and was later promoted from inside President Trump’s White House, a Yahoo News investigation has found.

Russia’s foreign intelligence service, known as the SVR, first circulated a phony “bulletin” — disguised to read as a real intelligence report —about the alleged murder of the former DNC staffer on July 13, 2016, according to the U.S. federal prosecutor who was in charge of the Rich case. That was just three days after Rich, 27, was killed in what police believed was a botched robbery while walking home to his group house in the Bloomingdale neighborhood of Washington, D.C., about 30 blocks north of the Capitol.

The purported details in the SVR account seemed improbable on their face: that Rich, a data director in the DNC’s voter protection division, was on his way to alert the FBI to corrupt dealings by Clinton when he was slain in the early hours of a Sunday morning by the former secretary of state’s hit squad.

Yet in a graphic example of how fake news infects the internet, those precise details popped up the same day on an obscure website, whatdoesitmean.com, that is a frequent vehicle for Russian propaganda. The website’s article, which attributed its claims to “Russian intelligence,” was the first known instance of Rich’s murder being publicly linked to a political conspiracy.


Read more:

http://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-the-true-origins-of-the-seth-rich-conspiracy-a-yahoo-news-investigation-100000831.html

Title: Re: Conspiracyland
Post by Serowbot on 07/09/19 at 13:00:29

Righties would never fall for Russian lies ,...
...hook, line, and sinker....

We all know Russians didn't influence the election at all.
...hook, line, and sinker....

Title: Re: Conspiracyland
Post by pg on 07/09/19 at 15:12:23

Brought to you by suzukisavage.com resident conspiracy theorists!


Best regards,

Title: Re: Conspiracyland
Post by T And T Garage on 07/09/19 at 15:29:00


7364626E6171030 wrote:
Brought to you by suzukisavage.com resident conspiracy theorists!


Best regards,



Really pro golfer?

Have I ever promoted a conspiracy theory?

Title: Re: Conspiracyland
Post by Serowbot on 07/09/19 at 16:46:57

It's real news vs fake news...
Trump says, "don't believe what you see and hear, believe what I say."
Confused Trumpets can't even trust Fox anymore.
Only the word of the leader.

Heil Trump!...
Heil Trump!...


Pg,.. are you still believing what Trump and the Russians told you about Seth Rich?...
Is exposing a conspiracy theory a conspiracy theory?...
Ask Orwell...



Title: Re: Conspiracyland
Post by pg on 07/09/19 at 17:15:43


150B040508150E13610 wrote:
[quote author=7364626E6171030 link=1562701514/0#2 date=1562710343]Brought to you by suzukisavage.com resident conspiracy theorists!


Best regards,



Really pro golfer?

Have I ever promoted a conspiracy theory?[/quote]


Yes, Russian Truther!

Best regards,

Title: Re: Conspiracyland
Post by pg on 07/09/19 at 17:18:06


4553445941545942360 wrote:
It's real news vs fake news...
Trump says, "don't believe what you see and hear, believe what I say."
Confused Trumpets can't even trust Fox anymore.
Only the word of the leader.

Heil Trump!...
Heil Trump!...


Pg,.. are you still believing what Trump and the Russians told you about Seth Rich?...
Is exposing a conspiracy theory a conspiracy theory?...
Ask Orwell...



I don't have a problem exposing a conspiracy.  However, for years JOG was lamented by the left for his theories.  The shoe is now on the other foot.


Best regards,

Title: Re: Conspiracyland
Post by T And T Garage on 07/10/19 at 06:12:36


2E393F333C2C5E0 wrote:
[quote author=150B040508150E13610 link=1562701514/0#3 date=1562711340][quote author=7364626E6171030 link=1562701514/0#2 date=1562710343]Brought to you by suzukisavage.com resident conspiracy theorists!


Best regards,



Really pro golfer?

Have I ever promoted a conspiracy theory?[/quote]


Yes, Russian Truther!

Best regards,[/quote]


Hmm... so, the Mueller report is what... a hoax?

LOL

Hey, maybe you should ask some of the members on here about Sandy Hook or 9/11....

Title: Re: Conspiracyland
Post by Serowbot on 07/10/19 at 09:07:49


2730363A3525570 wrote:
I don't have a problem exposing a conspiracy.  However, for years JOG was lamented by the left for his theories.  The shoe is now on the other foot.


Best regards,

Yes, JoG did promote the Seth Rich and Sandy Hook conspiracies...
Embarrassing... knowing you were a tool of Russian puppeteers...

The question is,... is Trump a puppet or a knowing conspirator?...
He has to be one or the other, because he also spreads Russian propagandist lies.

Title: Re: Conspiracyland
Post by MnSpring on 07/10/19 at 09:37:45


2E303F3E332E35285A0 wrote:
Have I ever promoted a conspiracy theory?

You have said you believe JFK was Boinking MM.
Guess What,
That IS, a conspiracy theory,

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Title: Re: Conspiracyland
Post by T And T Garage on 07/10/19 at 09:43:19


45665B787A61666F080 wrote:
[quote author=2E303F3E332E35285A0 link=1562701514/0#3 date=1562711340] Have I ever promoted a conspiracy theory?

You have said you believe JFK was Boinking MM.
Guess What,
That IS, a conspiracy theory,

Yeah, I guess it could be.  However, I didn't "promote" it (certainly not like the players in my OP).  I do think that there's enough circumstantial evidence to prove that he did.  But it's barely worth the "conspiracy theory" label.

But tell you what - you go ahead and take a victory lap mn..... lol

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Title: Re: Conspiracyland
Post by MnSpring on 07/10/19 at 09:55:48


716F60616C716A77050 wrote:
 I do think that there's enough circumstantial evidence to prove that he did.

More proof, that you, BELIEVE, in a, conspiracy theory, !
How many MORE, conspiracy theory's, do you believe in ?

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Title: Re: Conspiracyland
Post by T And T Garage on 07/10/19 at 10:02:27


6D4E735052494E47200 wrote:
[quote author=716F60616C716A77050 link=1562701514/0#10 date=1562776999]  I do think that there's enough circumstantial evidence to prove that he did.

More proof, that you, BELIEVE, in a, conspiracy theory, !
How many MORE, conspiracy theory's, do you believe in ? (do you mean "theories?)

I don't know, mn... none?

Let me ask you then...  Am I recalling right in that you posted about the Seth Rich story?  Didn't you call out Hillary?

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Title: Re: Conspiracyland
Post by Serowbot on 07/10/19 at 10:05:09

MM's close ties to both Kennedy's is a well known fact.  There has been speculation of affairs.
It's hardly a "Conspiracy theory".

Conspiracy theories are based much more loosely on facts. False facts.
r.e,... Moon Landing hoax,.. Sandy Hook faked,... Birtherism,.. etc.

We do enter conspiracyland however, when we speculate that she was assassinated by the FBi or whatever to keep her quiet.  
:-?

Title: Re: Conspiracyland
Post by MnSpring on 07/10/19 at 10:40:01


2234233E26333E25510 wrote:
It's hardly a "Conspiracy theory".

So, where is the, 'Official', statement that they were ?

What no, 'Official' statement can be found ?





Title: Re: Conspiracyland
Post by T And T Garage on 07/10/19 at 10:52:42


04271A393B20272E490 wrote:
[quote author=2234233E26333E25510 link=1562701514/0#13 date=1562778309] It's hardly a "Conspiracy theory".

So, where is the, 'Official', statement that they were ?

What no, 'Official' statement can be found ?
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No.  Ulike the Seth Rich case and Sandy Hook where there are tons of supporting documents/evidence.

So, mn - did you promote the Seth Rich conspiracy?

Title: Re: Conspiracyland
Post by Serowbot on 07/10/19 at 10:54:51

What more do ya' need?... photo's of the BJ's?... ;D
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iH3oOVKt0WI[/media]

Title: Re: Conspiracyland
Post by MnSpring on 07/10/19 at 11:35:22

WOW, two intertwined !

I respond to tt, and Bot reply's.

I respond to Bot, and tt reply's.

Title: Re: Conspiracyland
Post by T And T Garage on 07/10/19 at 11:51:19


4E6D5073716A6D64030 wrote:
WOW, two intertwined !

I respond to tt, and Bot reply's.

I respond to Bot, and tt reply's.



And yet still no answer on where you stand on the whole Seth Rich conspiracy....

Title: Re: Conspiracyland
Post by MnSpring on 07/10/19 at 12:03:14


2B353A3B362B302D5F0 wrote:
And yet still no answer on where you stand on the whole Seth Rich conspiracy....

I haven't responded one way or the other.
AND YOU KNOW THAT !

Yet YOU have made up Your mind !
You have said:
'Seth Rich conspiracy'
Not,'the Seth Rich situation'

(What names are, YOU, going to call people, who don't agree, 'Lock Step', with you ?)

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Title: Re: Conspiracyland
Post by T And T Garage on 07/10/19 at 12:31:25


72516C4F4D5651583F0 wrote:
[quote author=2B353A3B362B302D5F0 link=1562701514/15#18 date=1562784679] And yet still no answer on where you stand on the whole Seth Rich conspiracy....

I haven't responded one way or the other.
AND YOU KNOW THAT !

Wow... touchy!  Sorry if i hit a nerve.

Yet YOU have made up Your mind !
You have said:
'Seth Rich conspiracy'
Not,'the Seth Rich situation'

Did you not see my OP?  It's a conspiracy mn.

(What names are, YOU, going to call people, who don't agree, 'Lock Step', with you ?)

I don't call people names on this forum. (except recently mark, but that wasn't a name so much as a description)

But why try to change the subject?  Why not answer the question?

Do you think that Seth Rich was killed by the Clinton campaign?

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Title: Re: Conspiracyland
Post by MnSpring on 07/10/19 at 14:17:57


5A444B4A475A415C2E0 wrote:
Do you think that Seth Rich was killed by the Clinton campaign?

It's so hard to communicate with someone who lacks comprehension Skills.
What part of:
" I haven't responded one way or the other "
can you not understand.

As to what you said: 'But why try to change the subject'
I did not, YOU did !
First you said: 'did you promote the Seth Rich conspiracy'
Then, 'where you stand on the whole Seth Rich conspiracy'
To which I responded, (which you did not understand)
Then you changed it, again, with;'Do you think that Seth Rich was killed by the Clinton campaign'

To which I will add to the answer I have given,
(which you did not understand)
" haven't responded one way or the other,
because I don't have all the information."


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Title: Re: Conspiracyland
Post by pg on 07/10/19 at 14:28:32


425C53525F425944360 wrote:
[quote author=2E393F333C2C5E0 link=1562701514/0#5 date=1562717743][quote author=150B040508150E13610 link=1562701514/0#3 date=1562711340][quote author=7364626E6171030 link=1562701514/0#2 date=1562710343]Brought to you by suzukisavage.com resident conspiracy theorists!


Best regards,



Really pro golfer?

Have I ever promoted a conspiracy theory?[/quote]


Yes, Russian Truther!

Best regards,[/quote]


Hmm... so, the Mueller report is what... a hoax?

LOL
[/quote]


Are you referring to the report that exonerated trump and his campaign staff from colluding with Russia?

The Special Counsel's investigation did not find that the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with Russia in its efforts to influence the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

Best regards,



Title: Re: Conspiracyland
Post by T And T Garage on 07/10/19 at 14:34:33


382F29252A3A480 wrote:
[quote author=425C53525F425944360 link=1562701514/0#7 date=1562764356][quote author=2E393F333C2C5E0 link=1562701514/0#5 date=1562717743][quote author=150B040508150E13610 link=1562701514/0#3 date=1562711340][quote author=7364626E6171030 link=1562701514/0#2 date=1562710343]Brought to you by suzukisavage.com resident conspiracy theorists!


Best regards,



Really pro golfer?

Have I ever promoted a conspiracy theory?[/quote]


Yes, Russian Truther!

Best regards,[/quote]


Hmm... so, the Mueller report is what... a hoax?

LOL
[/quote]


Are you referring to the report that exonerated trump and his campaign staff from colluding with Russia?

Yes, the same one that Mueller will be testifying on this month.  You know, the same one that does not exonerate tump from obstruction.

The Special Counsel's investigation did not find that the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with Russia in its efforts to influence the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

Yep.  The same one that I state above.

Best regards,


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Title: Re: Conspiracyland
Post by pg on 07/10/19 at 14:39:07


2432253820353823570 wrote:
Pg,.. are you still believing what Trump and the Russians told you about Seth Rich?...


I can't recall what Trump said regarding the matter.  I believe Seth came across something that got him killed.  Whether he downloaded files, I do not know.  I believe if it were a robbery they would have taken something from him.  I believe it was a hit; as for the why, I have no idea.

Best regards,


Title: Re: Conspiracyland
Post by T And T Garage on 07/10/19 at 14:46:04


243335393626540 wrote:
[quote author=2432253820353823570 link=1562701514/0#4 date=1562716017]
Pg,.. are you still believing what Trump and the Russians told you about Seth Rich?...


I can't recall what Trump said regarding the matter.  I believe Seth came across something that got him killed.  

LOL - and you believe that why?  Because of a fake news story!

Even when it's proved to be true, you say it might be false.

This explains a lot.  Thanks!

Whether he downloaded files, I do not know.  I believe if it were a robbery they would have taken something from him.  I believe it was a hit; as for the why, I have no idea.

Best regards,

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Title: Re: Conspiracyland
Post by pg on 07/10/19 at 14:54:57


617F70717C617A67150 wrote:
[quote author=243335393626540 link=1562701514/15#24 date=1562794747][quote author=2432253820353823570 link=1562701514/0#4 date=1562716017]
Pg,.. are you still believing what Trump and the Russians told you about Seth Rich?...


I can't recall what Trump said regarding the matter.  I believe Seth came across something that got him killed.  

LOL - and you believe that why?  Because of a fake news story!

Even when it's proved to be true, you say it might be false.

This explains a lot.  Thanks!

Whether he downloaded files, I do not know.  I believe if it were a robbery they would have taken something from him.  I believe it was a hit; as for the why, I have no idea.

Best regards,

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Whoever perpetrated that crime took nothing from him, nothing.  Those are the facts.....

Best regards,

Title: Re: Conspiracyland
Post by T And T Garage on 07/10/19 at 15:09:02


584F49454A5A280 wrote:
[quote author=617F70717C617A67150 link=1562701514/15#25 date=1562795164][quote author=243335393626540 link=1562701514/15#24 date=1562794747][quote author=2432253820353823570 link=1562701514/0#4 date=1562716017]
Pg,.. are you still believing what Trump and the Russians told you about Seth Rich?...


I can't recall what Trump said regarding the matter.  I believe Seth came across something that got him killed.  

LOL - and you believe that why?  Because of a fake news story!

Even when it's proved to be true, you say it might be false.

This explains a lot.  Thanks!

Whether he downloaded files, I do not know.  I believe if it were a robbery they would have taken something from him.  I believe it was a hit; as for the why, I have no idea.

Best regards,

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Whoever perpetrated that crime took nothing from him, nothing.  Those are the facts.....

Best regards,
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Yes, those are indeed the facts.  The facts are that that neighborhood had been plagued by robberies.  Further, he was involved in a struggle first, and was then shot.  He left the bar at about 1:45, but wasn't shot until about 4 am.

There's no proof it was "a hit".  That whole story was made up by the russians and it duped fox "news".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Seth_Rich



Title: Re: Conspiracyland
Post by MnSpring on 07/10/19 at 15:22:22


382629282538233E4C0 wrote:
There's no proof it was "a hit".

How does the phrase, (given by wikipedia.org)
come into play ?

"...may have been killed in an attempted robbery..."




Title: Re: Conspiracyland
Post by T And T Garage on 07/10/19 at 15:30:18


60437E5D5F44434A2D0 wrote:
[quote author=382629282538233E4C0 link=1562701514/15#27 date=1562796542]
There's no proof it was "a hit".

How does the phrase, (given by wikipedia.org)
come into play ?

"...may have been killed in an attempted robbery..."


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Are you having trouble understanding the phrase?

May have been killed in an attempted robbery.

Pretty straight forward.

They could have said - "may have been killed in a drug deal gone wrong"
They could have said - "may have been killed in a fist fight that escalated to a shooting"

They could have said a lot of things.

But you know what they didn't say? "may have been killed at the hands of Hillary".

Know what else they didn't say? "may have been killed because of leaked information"

But hey, the righties eat up conspiracies like I eat up BBQ brisket!  LOL


Title: Re: Conspiracyland
Post by pg on 07/10/19 at 15:48:59


7B656A6B667B607D0F0 wrote:


There's no proof it was "a hit".  That whole story was made up by the russians and it duped fox "news".



And you have no proof it was robbery.  Also, I never said I believed that narrative.

Best regards,

Title: Re: Conspiracyland
Post by T And T Garage on 07/10/19 at 15:53:15


7F686E626D7D0F0 wrote:
[quote author=7B656A6B667B607D0F0 link=1562701514/15#27 date=1562796542]


There's no proof it was "a hit".  That whole story was made up by the russians and it duped fox "news".



And you have no proof it was robbery.  Also, I never said I believed that narrative.

Perhaps, but the whole "Hillary's hit" is laughable.  That area had reported numerous robberies.  So it's most likely that.

Which narrative do you believe?  The Hillary killed him or the robbery?

Best regards,
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Title: Re: Conspiracyland
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/10/19 at 17:15:12

Seth was a Bernie guy. Knew that Hillary had taken over the dnc and was screwing Bernie. The download speed makes it impossible for it to have been a hack from a remote location. It was too fast to have been anything but a direct download to an external device connected directly to the dnc computer.
Do the math.

Title: Re: Conspiracyland
Post by philthymike on 07/10/19 at 18:56:08

My CT is that the leftys and rightys are all the same thing. The Republocrats. Invented by the Ruling Elite in much the same way as Eurasia and Eastasia from 1984. Something to give the dumbed-down unwashed masses a place to focus their animal aggression on and keep them from realizing the truth.

And the Ruling Elite are all actually ants. Yes ants which comprises the same amount of planetary biomass as humans. Laugh. Go ahead.

But ant Kingdom rules the world. And we are just huge puppets for them.

Title: Re: Conspiracyland
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/11/19 at 02:42:19

Yeah, I call it the
Uniparty

Title: Re: Conspiracyland
Post by T And T Garage on 07/11/19 at 05:48:35


3C2325223F3809390931232F64560 wrote:
Seth was a Bernie guy. Knew that Hillary had taken over the dnc and was screwing Bernie. The download speed makes it impossible for it to have been a hack from a remote location. It was too fast to have been anything but a direct download to an external device connected directly to the dnc computer.
Do the math.


And you know this how?  From articles you read from who knows who...

Hilarious.

Title: Re: Conspiracyland
Post by Serowbot on 07/11/19 at 08:36:00


637D72737E637865170 wrote:
And you know this how?  From articles you read from who knows who...

Hilarious.

The point is, we now know.  The Russians planted the story.
JoG,.. there is no Santa Claus.
There,.. I said it.  :-?

Title: Re: Conspiracyland
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/11/19 at 23:03:10

I pay attention.
The Russians,,
You guys are so funny.
You think the Russians actually did something?
Phhht..
Where is the receipt for the new mattress?
Somebody HAD to buy one.


Title: Re: Conspiracyland
Post by T And T Garage on 07/12/19 at 05:06:33


081711160B0C3D0D3D05171B50620 wrote:
I pay attention.
To what, conspiracy blogs and right-wing news posts?
The Russians,,
You guys are so funny.
You think the Russians actually did something?
Phhht..
Yeah - all that time that was spent on the Mueller report was just a bunch of guys sitting in a room playing video games, right?
Where is the receipt for the new mattress?
Somebody HAD to buy one. - what?


Title: Re: Conspiracyland
Post by Serowbot on 07/12/19 at 07:22:25


657A7C7B6661506050687A763D0F0 wrote:
Where is the receipt for the new mattress?
Somebody HAD to buy one.

And if someone turned up a new mattress receipt, you'd say, "So what, mattresses get replaced all the time in hotels"...

See how denial works?

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