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Title: 2nd Gear transmission issue Post by pacoacevess on 07/01/19 at 14:22:24 Anybody who has the same problem I have?, all gears works great but 2nd gear when I release the clutch lever on my savage loose power and a strange noise came from motor, I already change the clutch kit but the issue is still, any idea on how to solve it?? |
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Title: Re: 2nd Gear transmission issue Post by batman on 07/01/19 at 18:51:43 What speed are you shifting at ? If it's to soon the bike will protest. |
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Title: Re: 2nd Gear transmission issue Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/01/19 at 20:44:10 Noise ClunkLunkLunk? How many miles on it? Don't change into second under twenty MPH. If it's uphill, higher, downhill, meh, lower is okay, But don't try to accelerate hard at those speeds. |
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Title: Re: 2nd Gear transmission issue Post by pacoacevess on 07/02/19 at 06:37:20 It is a 86 savage not sure how many milles due bad odomenter(but should have a lot), of course I sequence properlly from 1rst to 4 gear, but in 2nd fails and get that noise (internal mesh noise) normally it does at uphill not downhill probably I would need to disasembly complete engine to get transmision mesh? |
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Title: Re: 2nd Gear transmission issue Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/02/19 at 07:20:58 Of course you're doing it right And you just quite possibly are Doing it right But How FAST are you going when you shift into Second? |
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Title: Re: 2nd Gear transmission issue Post by pacoacevess on 07/02/19 at 07:30:43 I think may be 10MPH |
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Title: Re: 2nd Gear transmission issue Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/02/19 at 07:38:41 3B242225383F0E3E0E36242863510 wrote:
Well, Try going Faster, |
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Title: Re: 2nd Gear transmission issue Post by batman on 07/02/19 at 09:16:19 Your "dogging "the motor ,you shouldn't be shifting until you hit a LEAST , 25-30mph . If you shift into 4th below 40mph the bike will react the same way ,it's telling you, to drop to a lower gear. |
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Title: Re: 2nd Gear transmission issue Post by Fast 650 on 07/02/19 at 09:24:29 4D5C5E525C5E584B584E4E3D0 wrote:
You are shifting into 2nd gear waaay too soon at 10 mph. Try shifting 1st to 2nd at about 20mph, 2nd to 3rd at about 30 to 35 mph, 3rd to 4th around 45 mph, and 4th to 5th around 50 to 55 mph. The bike will be much happier at those speeds. |
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Title: Re: 2nd Gear transmission issue Post by batman on 07/02/19 at 09:30:58 He's got a 4 speed 86 so those speeds may even need to be a bit higher. |
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Title: Re: 2nd Gear transmission issue Post by Dave on 07/02/19 at 09:34:46 Our minimal HP doesn't seem to have enough power to break or wear out a transmission.....the problem very likely is not going to require any work "inside" the engine cases. |
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Title: Re: 2nd Gear transmission issue Post by Fast 650 on 07/02/19 at 11:11:41 47445148444B111D250 wrote:
I missed that part somehow. There used to be a mph/rpm chart for the 4 speed and 5 speed here but it was hosted on another site and the link was broken some time ago. Broken link = data lost forever. :( |
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Title: Re: 2nd Gear transmission issue Post by pacoacevess on 07/02/19 at 13:19:28 Thanks for all your comments, my issue is not the normal dogging when you force the engine aplying an upper gear, my problem is only on the 2nd gear and loose completelly power when I release the clutch alse there is a very bad mesh noise inside the engine, now Im trying to figure which internal mesh will be causing this problem, and I'm reviewing that I will need to remove completelly the engine to reach all the trans mesh dam :'( |
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Title: Re: 2nd Gear transmission issue Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/02/19 at 14:48:45 Probably be easier to Try a higher speed before you grab wrenches. |
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Title: Re: 2nd Gear transmission issue Post by pacoacevess on 07/02/19 at 16:55:15 Im agree seems hard with this engine damage any transmission mesh bit what el Se could be causing this??, by the way some times byke 2nd shift works properlly for a few minutes, head decompressor could Chasing this? 4B707D6A7B776C6A7179746B180 wrote:
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Title: Re: 2nd Gear transmission issue Post by pacoacevess on 07/03/19 at 14:08:11 another question, it is posible to remove just left side of the crackcase engine to reach the transmission parts?, oviouslly I would need to quit the engine from the frame |
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Title: Re: 2nd Gear transmission issue Post by Eegore on 07/03/19 at 17:03:28 Ok so I had three bikes ran today regarding this issue. First mine are all 1995s and as such have 5 speeds where the 86 has 4. This means a 95 can shift safer at lower speed than an 86. These bikes should shift at a higher speed than 10 mph. All three of my bikes shift very hard into 2nd at 10 - 15 mph, I would recommend seeing what happens if you double your current speed to shift from 1st to 2nd. To be very clear, these shift tests done on my bike were not the suggestion, inference, guidance, recommendation or influenced result of any member on this board. Zero members on this board were involved in any capacity to include the idea, implementation or application. |
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Title: Re: 2nd Gear transmission issue Post by norm92de on 07/03/19 at 17:04:19 Are you sure that the shifting mechanism is working properly? If it works sometimes I don't think the transmission is broken. |
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Title: Re: 2nd Gear transmission issue Post by ohiomoto on 07/04/19 at 04:19:17 7465676B65676172617777040 wrote:
So you are not getting into 2nd gear or its falling out of second as you release the clutch? When you say "mesh" do you mean like a gear grinding noise? |
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Title: Re: 2nd Gear transmission issue Post by pacoacevess on 07/04/19 at 08:07:39 696E6F696B697269060 wrote:
So you are not getting into 2nd gear or its falling out of second as you release the clutch? It is getting into 2nd gear and fails when I release the clutch I try higer speeds and is still fail, it is not a speed probleming When you say "mesh" do you mean like a gear grinding noise? [/quote]exactly the noise is a gear grinding noise |
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Title: Re: 2nd Gear transmission issue Post by pacoacevess on 07/04/19 at 08:09:01 6F68696F6D6F746F000 wrote:
So you are not getting into 2nd gear or its falling out of second as you release the clutch? It is getting into 2nd gear and fails when I release the clutch I try higer speeds and is still fail, it is not a speed probleming When you say "mesh" do you mean like a gear grinding noise? exactly the noise is a gear grinding noise |
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Title: Re: 2nd Gear transmission issue Post by ohiomoto on 07/05/19 at 05:20:55 Yeah, that doesn't sound like a speed issue. I mean wtf is a speed issue anyways??? I can put my bike into second from a dead stop. First, make sure the shift linkage is in good order. Sometimes the rod that connects the shift lever gets bent and causes issues. It's easy to check and easy to fix. Not sure why it would only cause issues in second, but maybe you'll get lucky and it will be an easy fix. Beyond that, I think you may be correct in thinking that this thing may need to come apart. |
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Title: Re: 2nd Gear transmission issue Post by ohiomoto on 07/05/19 at 05:21:57 23223F20747F29284D0 wrote:
Right. First place to look anyway. |
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Title: Re: 2nd Gear transmission issue Post by pacoacevess on 07/05/19 at 12:27:03 Hi I will check the shifter mechanism and I let you know, thanks 5552535557554E553A0 wrote:
Right. First place to look anyway. [/quote] |
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Title: Re: 2nd Gear transmission issue Post by norm92de on 07/05/19 at 12:37:26 There is one thing that I hope you don't have. Badly damaged dogs inside the transmission. The way some owners treat their bikes can cause damage to the engagement dogs. The shifting mechanism is accessible from the left side of the bike. Good luck! |
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Title: Re: 2nd Gear transmission issue Post by batman on 07/07/19 at 07:44:09 I would also be sure the clutch is adjusted , and you may need to change the length of the clutch throughout rod ( there are three different lengths you can order from the factory) as the clutch wears ,the clutch pack becomes narrower and the rod sticks out farther and may not at some point allow complete engagement , the rod shouldn't stick out more than about 12to 12.5 mm . |
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Title: Re: 2nd Gear transmission issue Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/07/19 at 16:55:11 First Make SURE the shift rod Is not bent. |
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Title: Re: 2nd Gear transmission issue Post by SpamyToo on 07/08/19 at 06:12:58 If someone was trying to hammer through the gears they could have bent the shift fork or chipped/rounded off the gear (or the gear dogs as norm92de said). Either of those will make it not want to slip into gear all the time. Or rattle and bounce out. Usually this happens on 3rd or 4th gear though. But I would exhaust other options first, including just living with it. Splitting the cases and changing the gear and shift fork out is a bit of work, if its messed up. And probably around $500 bucks in gaskets and parts while you are in there. |
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Title: Re: 2nd Gear transmission issue Post by batman on 07/08/19 at 12:26:51 The transmission gears need to be turning to synchronize , 10 mph won't cut it , use some throttle, the motor won't blow up! |
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Title: Re: 2nd Gear transmission issue Post by DragBikeMike on 07/08/19 at 15:27:13 Regarding the gear shift linkage, make sure the shift lever moves up and down without hitting anything. The shift from first to second gear may take a bit more lever movement since you must pass through neutral. If the lever is bent or the linkage is out of adjustment, the travel might be limited. The stop in the external gearshift mechanism should limit travel, not stuff like footpegs or the frame. After you make sure the gear shift linkage is in good working order and properly adjusted, I suggest you go through the "external gearshift mechanism" as outlined on pages 166 through 172 of the all inclusive Clymer manual. Pay particular attention to the cam stopper (2) and it's associated spring (4). If the spring is weak or broken, or the roller is heavily worn, the shift drum can rotate past the intended position and cause the gears to end up in between the desired position (like in between 2nd & 3rd rather than in 2nd). Generally, a good indicator of stopper problems is difficulty finding neutral. You having any trouble finding neutral? Is your 2nd gear "grinding" issue only related to upshifts (i.e 1st to 2nd) or will it also occur on downshifts (i.e 3rd to 2nd)? |
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Title: Re: 2nd Gear transmission issue Post by batman on 07/08/19 at 20:32:23 You may want to check to see if the arm on the shifter shaft and connected to the rod going forward to the pedal is positioned correctly on the shaft ,allowing the gears to be changed without striking the side case. |
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Title: Re: 2nd Gear transmission issue Post by pacoacevess on 07/09/19 at 13:33:59 Hi Mike , It is easy to find neutral on my byke, issue goes from 1st to 2nd and downstream 3rd to 2nd, I will check again the shift linkage , but Im now getting the idea I will need to get down the engine :( 24222D51535450600 wrote:
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Title: Re: 2nd Gear transmission issue Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/09/19 at 14:05:14 You might be ahead to buy an engine Slap it in And enjoy the summer And work on the other one during the Too crappy to ride season. What a great time to hop one up... |
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