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Message started by justin_o_guy2 on 06/17/19 at 09:55:02

Title: Muh Values
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/17/19 at 09:55:02

Before the rush to canonize this whole 'trans' thing, I think we should remind ourselves of a few basic facts: if a man puts on a dress and calls himself "Charlotte", he's not a woman, he's a mentally ill man with a woman's name wearing a dress. If he starts receiving female hormone injections, he's still not a woman, he's a mentally ill man with a woman's name wearing a dress, with messed up body chemistry. If he undergoes gender reassigment surgery, he's still not a woman, he's a mentally ill man with a woman's name wearing a dress, with messed up body chemistry and no thingy. If he gets a document from a court or other government agency saying he's a woman, he's still not a woman, he's a mentally ill man with a woman's name wearing a dress, with messed up body chemistry, no thingy, and a legal document that caters to his delusion. And if he and his friends manage to get a law passed that says he must be addressed by the female pronouns he prefers, he's still not a woman, he's a mentally ill man with a woman's name wearing a dress, with messed up body chemistry, no thingy, a legal document that caters to his delusion, and backed with the force of law. To sum all of this up: He's still a man, baby! And do you know what the funny part of all this is? The people who are vigorously pushing this like to think of themselves as the party of science."
Idiots

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by T And T Garage on 06/17/19 at 10:29:41

First jog - you should credit the author - OregonMuse.

Second - what the hell difference does it make to anyone what someone calls themselves?

Are LGBT people that threatening?

Maybe the conservatives should worry more about their president and his family raping the US instead of how a random man or woman identifies themselves.

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by Serowbot on 06/17/19 at 13:15:07

Yuh values are plagiarized... :-?

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by LostArtist on 06/17/19 at 13:54:57

7761766B73666B70040 wrote:

Yuh values are plagiarized... :-?

says a lot doesn't it.....

don't worry, he'll come back sometime and tell us how stupid we are for not looking past what is told us by this source or that and how we shouldn't just believe everything we read... you know, enough to make it our values...

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by raydawg on 06/17/19 at 18:38:25

Here Jog......

https://americanmind.org/features/why-the-new-right-rises/theorizing-the-moral-foundations-of-democracy/

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by Eegore on 06/17/19 at 18:58:44

"The people who are vigorously pushing this like to think of themselves as the party of science"

Well gender reassignment is science.

The problem with articles like this is people ignore psychology and want to stick to the biology exclusively.

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/26/19 at 07:14:15

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/26/19 at 07:15:29

Good grief, you can't even say
P enis or v agina

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by Serowbot on 06/26/19 at 10:05:09

3E2127203D3A0B3B0B33212D66540 wrote:

Good grief, you can't even say
P enis or v agina

Apparently you found a way... ;D

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by thumperclone on 06/26/19 at 15:48:29

why act like all this is something new??
they all have been part of human history for generations and generations
if you think your family tree is made up of straights only you are mistaken whether you own up to it or not..

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by Eegore on 06/26/19 at 15:55:37

I don't feel it is any more rational than saying that if a guy asks you to refer to him as a woman, you would "kick the ignrant sumbich in the nuts"

Assaulting the mentally ill somehow makes sense and is acceptable? It doesn't seem there is a way to have a logical conversation about the topic at this time.

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by T And T Garage on 06/26/19 at 16:09:16

0A151314090E3F0F3F07151952600 wrote:

Boys and girls are easily labeled.
No decision by the thingy or girl thingy owners CHANGES it. A D.N.A. test is science.
It will say if it's male or female.
Ohhh, please, someone pretend that the .1% of the .1% who are born genetically messed up are relevant to the argument.
Yes, surgery is science.
But the goal is to ignore the obvious.
Someone is deranged and in need of help.
Science says
Dude,hacking that off and giving you a permanent wound that you can pretend is what women have is not the answer.

Speaking of permanent wounds - what about tattoos? What about piercings? You can easily equate any type of mutilation to another. You call it "pretending", they call it their identity.

The whole idea is antiscience, being promoted by lefties.

I know a lot of righties with tattoos and piercings. They identify as "bikers" or "rebels" or whatever. Again, it's their identity - science be dammed.

It's LITERALLY INSANE, and we're teaching our children to call it okay. Really people?

Yes, it's OK. Are they hurting you? No. You feel threatened - that's all.

IS there NOTHING you would just say no to? Aside from being a rational and conservative American?

Yes, quite a lot actually. Anytime an innocent person is hurt or put in harm's way. Injustice is another. Cruelty, fascism, racism, sexism, etc. There's a long list. Thanks for asking.

However, I should point out - your label of "rational and conservative American" is, at the moment, somewhat of an oxymoron. Propping up the likes of trump is not helping their cause.

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/26/19 at 18:11:14

08282A223F284D0 wrote:

While it is possible that would demonstrate for him he REALLY is a he, and that looks like something I would say,
That is NOT what I JUST said, yet, rather than address what I Did JUST say, you're running and hiding from what I said, in the post above.
You're the one refusing to have a conversation, because I stated my position in a way you can't argue with, so, dig up last , irrelevant statements and pretend you have not been given the opportunity to argue your point.
I don't blame any of you.
I just burned your whole position down.

AND
You ADMITTED they are mentally ill.
Good for you.
Now, admit that bowing to their twisted thinking is hurting SOCIETY and THEM.

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by pg on 06/26/19 at 19:49:31

382629282538233E4C0 wrote:

Anytime an innocent person is hurt or put in harm's way.

Just as long as it is a conservative getting put in harms way, that is alright... The ends justify the means for Antifa, don't they.....

Best regards,

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by Eegore on 06/27/19 at 05:25:44

"You ADMITTED they are mentally ill."

Incorrect. I was using your assessment method. To clarify you stated: "Someone is deranged and in need of help."

That is what I was indicating, I was saying Your assessment is that a transgender is mentally ill, and if they ask you to call them a woman, you will assault them. As if that solves anything beyond helping you feel tough.

Also I already addressed your original post:

"The problem with articles like this is people ignore psychology and want to stick to the biology exclusively."

Ignoring psychology and talking exclusively about biology addresses only part of the issue.

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by T And T Garage on 06/27/19 at 06:03:42

687F79757A6A180 wrote:

[quote author=382629282538233E4C0 link=1560790502/0#11 date=1561590556]
Anytime an innocent person is hurt or put in harm's way.

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/27/19 at 09:10:11

352A2C2B3631003000382A266D5F0 wrote:

[quote author=08282A223F284D0 link=1560790502/0#10 date=1561589737]
I don't feel it is any more rational than saying that if a guy asks you to refer to him as a woman, you would "kick the ignrant sumbich in the nuts"

Assaulting the mentally ill somehow makes sense and is acceptable? It doesn't seem there is a way to have a logical conversation about the topic at this time.

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by T And T Garage on 06/27/19 at 10:40:58

213E383F22251424142C3E32794B0 wrote:

[quote author=352A2C2B3631003000382A266D5F0 link=1560790502/0#12 date=1561597874][quote author=08282A223F284D0 link=1560790502/0#10 date=1561589737]
I don't feel it is any more rational than saying that if a guy asks you to refer to him as a woman, you would "kick the ignrant sumbich in the nuts"

Assaulting the mentally ill somehow makes sense and is acceptable? It doesn't seem there is a way to have a logical conversation about the topic at this time.

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by MnSpring on 06/27/19 at 11:53:56

283639383528332E5C0 wrote:

- why are you so threatened by these people? What have they done to you?

Can you tell us why,
YOU, are so threatened by people that know, understand, and apply Freedom.
Especially when it comes to the 2nd.
Tell us all, why, YOU, are so afraid of someone using a device.
A device that YOU want to ban, or severally restrict freedom to own.

No SPIN, or deflection allowed. !!!!!!
The, 'mass' shooting/s is/are done by a sick DFI,
NOT, the NRA,
Not the manufacture,
Not the legal buyer/collector/owner/user.
And the, '...What have they done to you...',
Is it the car, that did something to you,
or the driver behind the wheel ?
etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc.,

Just like it's, NOT, a male, dressed like a woman going into a woman's bathroom. (Most would say what a ugly woman)
It is the, Socialist (past Pres), that said.
Men have the right to go into a ladies bathroom, all they have to say is they, 'identify' as a woman.
etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc.,

So when the media, and elected people, place the thing that was once called 'Bruce' Jenner, ABOVE, people that are, REAL Heroes.

"Huston, the Socialists have arrived"

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by T And T Garage on 06/27/19 at 12:10:01

7655684B4952555C3B0 wrote:

[quote author=283639383528332E5C0 link=1560790502/15#17 date=1561657258] - why are you so threatened by these people? What have they done to you?

Can you tell us why,
YOU, are so threatened by people that know, understand, and apply Freedom.

What do you mean by that? I love those who know and understand what freedom is. I love those that apply their freedoms. You know, like the freedom of expression - things like that.

Especially when it comes to the 2nd.
Tell us all, why, YOU, are so afraid of someone using a device.
A device that YOU want to ban, or severally restrict freedom to own.

I'm not. In fact, on several occasions I've pointed out that I support the Second Amendment and own guns myself.

The only device we should ban (from the public) are automatic weapons and their associated hardware.

I'm also in favor of federally mandated licensing.

I'll say it one last time - I don't want to ban guns.

To be clear mn - guns don't scare me - maniacs with guns do.

No SPIN, or deflection allowed. !!!!!!
The, 'mass' shooting/s is/are done by a sick DFI,
NOT, the NRA,
Not the manufacture,
Not the legal buyer/collector/owner/user.
And the, '...What have they done to you...',
Is it the car, that did something to you,
or the driver behind the wheel ?
etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc.,

See above. I have no problem with the hardware - it's the software running it that scares me and needs revising/purging.

Just like it's, NOT, a male, dressed like a woman going into a woman's bathroom. (Most would say what a ugly woman)
It is the, Socialist (past Pres), that said.
Men have the right to go into a ladies bathroom, all they have to say is they, 'identify' as a woman.
etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc.,

Yes, they do - which is why I asked jog why he feels threatened by that.

So when the media, and elected people, place the thing that was once called 'Bruce' Jenner, ABOVE, people that are, REAL Heroes.

Huh? Caitlin Jenner is a moron. I'm pretty sure that's general knowledge.

"Huston, the Socialists have arrived"

Yes, they have. And the country will be a better place for it.

[/quote]

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by Eegore on 06/27/19 at 15:59:05

"You're the one refusing to have a conversation, because I stated my position in a way you can't argue with, so, dig up last , irrelevant statements and pretend you have not been given the opportunity to argue your point."

Incorrect. You are repeating yourself instead of acknowledging the post I had already made about this topic.

Again, and you will probably ignore it again, your post that you copied from and will not provide reference for, is one that addresses biology.

I feel that talking exclusively about biology addresses half of the topic.

Also, in a related note, when we have tried to address this topic before, you have said you would physically assault a transgender. This also does not address the problem.

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by philthymike on 06/27/19 at 16:35:48

I have nothing against transgender people. Lived in a place full of them for awhile. What bothers me is that they are being used as pawns in the Marxist Socialist chess game to overthrow free market economy and democracy.

One of the key strategic targets of Socialism is the freedom of speech. It's crucial that they erode that freedom to achieve their revolution. So the TG community serves that purpose by willingly being made into victims who's rights are demanded by social justice. In the eyes of social justice it's totally justifiable to take the rights of 99.999% of the population so that a 0.001% minority can think they have equality.
But really they don't give a crap about those people. The bigger objective is to take the freedom of speech away from the majority thereby starting tbe slippery slope that leads to book burnings and the book of Newspeak. Taking our speech away divides us in fundamentally powerful ways and a people divided are a weak people, just as Marx said.

16 countries have curtailed the freedom of speech in the name of justice for trannies. Don't let it happen here.
Consider the safety of the TG community who in those countries arw now targets of even higher prejudice than before.

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by Eegore on 06/27/19 at 17:51:42

"16 countries have curtailed the freedom of speech in the name of justice for trannies"

Can you provide a reference for this?

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by philthymike on 06/27/19 at 17:56:51

No go look it up yourself. Start with the EU. Canada's the most recent I think.

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by T And T Garage on 06/27/19 at 18:25:11

435B5A5F475B4A5E5A5856330 wrote:

I have nothing against transgender people. Lived in a place full of them for awhile. What bothers me is that they are being used as pawns in the Marxist Socialist chess game to overthrow free market economy and democracy.

One of the key strategic targets of Socialism is the freedom of speech.
It's crucial that they erode that freedom to achieve their revolution.

How does socialism "erode" the First Amendment?

So the TG community serves that purpose by willingly being made into victims who's rights are demanded by social justice. In the eyes of social justice it's totally justifiable to take the rights of 99.999% of the population so that a 0.001% minority can think they have equality.

How is recognizing a minority an infringement of those in the majority?

But really they don't give a crap about those people. The bigger objective is to take the freedom of speech away from the majority thereby starting tbe slippery slope that leads to book burnings and the book of Newspeak.

Seriously? Book burnings? A little extreme, don't you think? (well, I guess not, since you wrote it..)

Taking our speech away divides us in fundamentally powerful ways and a people divided are a weak people, just as Marx said.

Again, how do you think your freedom of speech being taken away?

16 countries have curtailed the freedom of speech in the name of justice for trannies. Don't let it happen here.
Consider the safety of the TG community who in those countries arw now targets of even higher prejudice than before.

LOL - seriously? I'd love to see the proof of that.

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by Eegore on 06/27/19 at 18:35:59

"No go look it up yourself. Start with the EU. Canada's the most recent I think. "

What am I looking up?

Googling:

"Tranny freedom of speech removal EU"
"EU Freedom of speech restriction related to transgender"
"EU speech restrictions transgender influence"
"EU Speech restriction Tranny injustice"
"Transgender injustice EU Speech"
"Canada Speech restrictions related to transgender"
"Canada tranny speech influence and restriction"
"Canada restrictions of public speech"

None of that helps.

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by T And T Garage on 06/27/19 at 20:05:52

6545474F5245200 wrote:

Eegore FTW!!

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by pg on 06/28/19 at 03:35:14

514F40414C514A57250 wrote:

[quote author=687F79757A6A180 link=1560790502/0#13 date=1561603771][quote author=382629282538233E4C0 link=1560790502/0#11 date=1561590556]
Anytime an innocent person is hurt or put in harm's way.

Just as long as it is a conservative getting put in harms way, that is alright... The ends justify the means for Antifa, don't they.....

Best regards,[/quote]

Not sure how many times I have to say it - I don't condone the violence that some ANTIFA members partake in - but I do support the idea of being anti-fascist.

[/quote]

Harassment and intimidation are acceptable as long as they are within the legal bounds of the law. Isn't that what you said.....

Best regards,

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by T And T Garage on 06/28/19 at 05:37:30

3A2D2B2728384A0 wrote:

Harassment and intimidation are acceptable as long as they are within the legal bounds of the law. Isn't that what you said.....

Best regards,

To be clear, protests are not harassment.

As long as it doesn't break the law, I'm all for condemnation of fascism.

Calling out white supremacists, racists, fascists, etc. is fine by me.

Shouldn't we all be against those things?

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by MnSpring on 06/28/19 at 09:11:50

6E707F7E736E75681A0 wrote:

To be clear, protests are not harassment.

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by Eegore on 06/28/19 at 09:26:50

What if the "protests" were called "Peaceable Assemblies" and were no longer considered that definition if they were no longer Peaceable?

Similar to a protest becoming a riot. At some point the definition changes based off the actions and impact of the people involved.

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by T And T Garage on 06/28/19 at 09:30:20

03201D3E3C2720294E0 wrote:

[quote author=6E707F7E736E75681A0 link=1560790502/15#28 date=1561725450] To be clear, protests are not harassment.

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by T And T Garage on 06/28/19 at 09:30:57

6545474F5245200 wrote:

Good point Eegore.

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by verslagen1 on 06/28/19 at 10:48:08

6E707F7E736E75681A0 wrote:

[quote author=03201D3E3C2720294E0 link=1560790502/15#29 date=1561738310][quote author=6E707F7E736E75681A0 link=1560790502/15#28 date=1561725450] To be clear, protests are not harassment.

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by T And T Garage on 06/28/19 at 10:56:52

3C2F3839262B2D2F247B4A0 wrote:

[quote author=6E707F7E736E75681A0 link=1560790502/30#31 date=1561739420][quote author=03201D3E3C2720294E0 link=1560790502/15#29 date=1561738310][quote author=6E707F7E736E75681A0 link=1560790502/15#28 date=1561725450] To be clear, protests are not harassment.

Harassment, should not be called, 'Protests',
As when a, 'Protest', Destroys property, Cuts fences, Blocks traffic, shouts obscenities at people not caring the same sign.

The tt, SPINS, calling, Harassment, a, 'protest'.
[/quote]

The fact is mn, protests are not harassment. Again, facts don't care that you don't like them.
[/quote]
When protests are directed at someone, then it's harassment.

Wait, so you harassed Obama? You do protest him, right?

"when you see someone on trumps staff" ... that's harassment.

Someone on his staff is fair game as well. Sorry, that's not harassment.

"let's identify every white supremacist and get them fired" ... that's harassment.

Perhaps - but to me, that's justified. Would you hire a nazi??

These are the marching orders of Maxine Waters, the left and the UL.[/quote]
I see no problem protesting fascists, racists and the like. The real question is - why don't you?

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by verslagen1 on 06/28/19 at 12:07:50

726C63626F726974060 wrote:

[quote author=3C2F3839262B2D2F247B4A0 link=1560790502/30#33 date=1561744088][quote author=6E707F7E736E75681A0 link=1560790502/30#31 date=1561739420][quote author=03201D3E3C2720294E0 link=1560790502/15#29 date=1561738310][quote author=6E707F7E736E75681A0 link=1560790502/15#28 date=1561725450] To be clear, protests are not harassment.

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by Eegore on 06/28/19 at 12:23:10

"I see no problem protesting fascists, racists and the like. The real question is - why don't you?"

Because protesting and harassing are two different things.

It is not illegal to be a racist. It is not illegal to be a fascist. Those are facts that should not be ignored because one doesn't like it.

Going beyond peaceable assembly is harassment especially when involving yourself in another's personal or professional life. If the tables were turned and an ANTITOL (Anti-tolerance) group was trying to get you fired, that would be harassment.

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by T And T Garage on 06/28/19 at 12:25:24

5D4E5958474A4C4E451A2B0 wrote:

We're not talking about protesting fascists, racists and the like. We're talking about harassment and what the fascist left will stop at nothing to suppress all those that opposes them. No free speech, No right to work, No right to freedom.

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by T And T Garage on 06/28/19 at 12:28:57

7151535B4651340 wrote:

I stand by my ideals. I would not hire a nazi, nor welcome one in my house.

But like all situations, there are degrees of difference.

I would not fire someone who I found out was a trump supporter - just as I would not keep a shiftless employee on even though we had the same views.

As to the office of the president and his staff (and any politician) - they are public servants and not immune to being protested.

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by verslagen1 on 06/28/19 at 13:00:50

607E71707D607B66140 wrote:

[quote author=5D4E5958474A4C4E451A2B0 link=1560790502/30#35 date=1561748870]
We're not talking about protesting fascists, racists and the like. We're talking about harassment and what the fascist left will stop at nothing to suppress all those that opposes them. No free speech, No right to work, No right to freedom.

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by Eegore on 06/28/19 at 13:13:36

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by T And T Garage on 06/28/19 at 14:18:39

7E6D7A7B64696F6D6639080 wrote:

[quote author=607E71707D607B66140 link=1560790502/30#37 date=1561749924][quote author=5D4E5958474A4C4E451A2B0 link=1560790502/30#35 date=1561748870]
We're not talking about protesting fascists, racists and the like. We're talking about harassment and what the fascist left will stop at nothing to suppress all those that opposes them. No free speech, No right to work, No right to freedom.

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by T And T Garage on 06/28/19 at 14:30:03

58787A726F781D0 wrote:

"they are public servants and not immune to being protested."

Protested as in peaceful assembly, or protested as in harassment?

At what point does being a public servant mean one should have people in their personal lives trying to alter their personal and professional potential?

Peacefully, of course. Here's an example - say your congressman was pro-choice. Don't you think you have the right to protest him/her if you disagree?

Look at all the righties outside the democratic debate last night. They protest... whatever they thought was worthy of protest. Was that harrassment? I don't think so.

A public servant answers to their constituents, don't they? Obviously I didn't vote for trump - but like it or not, he works for me, not the other way around (just like anyone in public office). I have the right - actually, the responsibility - to let them know how they are doing.

It isn't illegal to be a Trump staffer so none of their rights should be restricted or infringed upon in any capacity.

Very true - just as it's not illegal to be a bleeding heart liberal or nazi or pastafarian... I'm not talking about taking away their rights. But if I can protest against, say, roger ailes or harvey weinstein, then what sets trump's cabinet apart?

Being a Trump staffer shouldn't mean they can't eat at a restaurant because of a "protest", or drive in public, shop, visit family etc.

This is true. Protests like that are in poor taste and I don't condone it. However, they are public figures and like it or not, they are subject to ridicule.

Is it ok for an ANTICOP group to follow law enforcement officers because they are public servants as long as they call it protesting?

As long as they didn't get in the way of them doing their job, then yes. not a great decision, but...

Is it right for the westboro church to do what it does? No. Is it legal? Yes.

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by verslagen1 on 06/28/19 at 14:46:08

7B656A6B667B607D0F0 wrote:

[quote author=7E6D7A7B64696F6D6639080 link=1560790502/30#39 date=1561752050][quote author=607E71707D607B66140 link=1560790502/30#37 date=1561749924][quote author=5D4E5958474A4C4E451A2B0 link=1560790502/30#35 date=1561748870]
We're not talking about protesting fascists, racists and the like. We're talking about harassment and what the fascist left will stop at nothing to suppress all those that opposes them. No free speech, No right to work, No right to freedom.

Wait, so let me get this straight... you and your conservative buds can say all you want about the "terrible liberals", but we can't protest against the a$$holes on the right?

How many rocks do you have in your glass house vers?[/quote]

There you go again, taking a discussion about one thing and making it into another.

But I guess you can because you don't understand the difference between harassment and protest.[/quote]

OK then vers - tell me - how does the left "suppress" those that oppose them?

How are we taking away your right to speak? How are we taking away your right to work? How are protests taking away your freedom?

The way I see it, protest is just that - protest.

You know, kinda like those guys did in Charlottesville with tiki torches - remember?

The same way that Dr. King marched in Selma.

[/quote]
How are we taking away your right to speak?
By instigating violence
How are we taking away your right to work?
By hunting down opposition protesters and harassing their workplace.
How are protests taking away your freedom?
By preventing opposition rallies.

those guys did in Charlottesville with tiki torches, are you saying those broke up their own rally? Or that they broke up the counter protest by returning the rocks thrown at them?

Selma, you know that was broken up by the government don't you?

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by philthymike on 06/28/19 at 15:36:16

786669686578637E0C0 wrote:

[quote author=435B5A5F475B4A5E5A5856330 link=1560790502/15#21 date=1561678548]I have nothing against transgender people. Lived in a place full of them for awhile. What bothers me is that they are being used as pawns in the Marxist Socialist chess game to overthrow free market economy and democracy.

One of the key strategic targets of Socialism is the freedom of speech.
It's crucial that they erode that freedom to achieve their revolution.

How does socialism "erode" the First Amendment?

So the TG community serves that purpose by willingly being made into victims who's rights are demanded by social justice. In the eyes of social justice it's totally justifiable to take the rights of 99.999% of the population so that a 0.001% minority can think they have equality.

How is recognizing a minority an infringement of those in the majority?

But really they don't give a crap about those people. The bigger objective is to take the freedom of speech away from the majority thereby starting tbe slippery slope that leads to book burnings and the book of Newspeak.

Seriously? Book burnings? A little extreme, don't you think? (well, I guess not, since you wrote it..)

Taking our speech away divides us in fundamentally powerful ways and a people divided are a weak people, just as Marx said.

Again, how do you think your freedom of speech being taken away?

16 countries have curtailed the freedom of speech in the name of justice for trannies. Don't let it happen here.
Consider the safety of the TG community who in those countries arw now targets of even higher prejudice than before.

LOL - seriously? I'd love to see the proof of that.
[/quote]
I'm not a research assistant. Go Google the crap up on your own time if you're really actually interested.
And until you do your homework don't even try to grade mine.

There's much more in depth studies of this out there but this one makes my point rather handily. Jordan Peterson is discussing the recent transgender speech law for Canada bill c16 and explaining how it's been written so that people who don't follow it can be criminally charged with hate speech whatever that is.

https://youtu.be/s_UbmaZQx74

Now go look up the rest on your own. They're mostly the EU so it shouldn't take much work...

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by Eegore on 06/28/19 at 15:53:24

"There's much more in depth studies of this out there but this one makes my point rather handily. Jordan Peterson is discussing the recent transgender speech law for Canada bill c16 and explaining how it's been written so that people who don't follow it can be criminally charged with hate speech whatever that is."

You realize just stating Canada Bill C16 is tremendously more useful than:

"16 countries have curtailed the freedom of speech in the name of justice for trannies"

Nobody wants you to be a research assistant but citing zero useable reference then saying we should look it up doesn't get anyone anywhere. It makes it impossible for anyone to see your point of view with their own eyes.

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by Eegore on 06/28/19 at 16:03:20

"Peacefully, of course. Here's an example - say your congressman was pro-choice. Don't you think you have the right to protest him/her if you disagree?"

I do not.

So in the following you replied to a question:

"let's identify every white supremacist and get them fired" ... that's harassment."

Perhaps - but to me, that's justified. Would you hire a nazi??

How is attempting to remove a person's source of income "protest"?

Would you consider someone trying to take away your income by trying to have you removed from your job harassment?

If I did that because I don't like pro-choice, would you consider me to be "protesting" you, or "harassing" you?

To me, it is not a "protest" when the line between peaceable public expression is crossed and becomes a situation where anyone attempts to interfere with the personal or professional life of another beyond Peaceable Assembly. If someone was actively trying to stop me from having a job I would clearly consider that harassment.

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by philthymike on 06/28/19 at 16:10:04

0626242C3126430 wrote:

Ok two can play this game. Prove me wrong.
Read https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Act_to_amend_the_Canadian_Human_Rights_Act_and_the_Criminal_Code

Want me to tie your shoes too?

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by philthymike on 06/28/19 at 16:23:25

For the lazy and hard of thinking

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_rights

Now you all have to prove everything you say to me from now on with. Reference or I'll call you a liar in public like you've done to me

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by Serowbot on 06/28/19 at 16:30:49

I don't think speech should be regulated by law,... but I do think it should become socially unacceptable. The "N" word for example is just not socially acceptable anymore.

As far as "book burning",... what about Trump restricting his own scientists from publishing any Climate Change evidence?... Pages of evidence have been taken down by decree from EPA websites.
This is far more impactful than any social wordplay.

On the whole, I am more comfortable defending peace protests, and human rights protests, equality, fairness, justice, and humanity, than hate, white supremacy, guns, bigotry, and nationalism.
The Right has a much tougher row to hoe here.

"Oh woe is me" sayeth the Right,..."it's so unfair" they say with hypocritical Bibles in hand.
Sorry,.. I don't feel sorry...

ACLU has the unenviable task of defending hate speech, but I don't.
...and they don't get the respect they deserve from the Right that they deserve for their efforts.
I see the principle of defending it,.. I just don't envy the task,.. for the Right or the ACLU.

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by MnSpring on 06/28/19 at 16:35:45

1535373F2235500 wrote:

What am I looking up?

Let me help, must be different browsers/search engines.
Just came in for a drink of cool water.

Found this:
"...Nearly a century after free speech became the unambiguous law of the land, it is nonetheless losing its sway over public opinion. Today, many people who claim to support freedom of expression regularly turn around to suppress the views of others. ..."
"...A climate-change skeptic, she explained, has no right to make “claims about climate change, as if all the science discovered over the last X-number of centuries were irrelevant.”..."
"...Climate change is not the only topic for which many are seeking to censor open debate. In December 2016, Rouse organized a walkout of a lecture by sociologist Charles Murray, charging in a flyer that Murray represented the “normalization of racism and classism in academia.” This is the same Charles Murray who was later shouted down and physically attacked by student activists at Middlebury College...."
"...In an even more sensational confrontation, campus authorities at Evergreen State College refused to protect biology professor Bret Weinstein from physical threat by angry student activists after Weinstein, a self-avowed progressive in politics, questioned the wisdom of a day of racial “absence” that excluded white students from the Evergreen campus...."
"...This bleak view of open speech is not merely the reserve of a dismissible fringe. More college students than ever claim to have reservations about free expression. Forty-four percent of surveyed students told the Brookings Institution that they do not believe that the First Amendment protects free speech, compared with the 39 percent who believe that it does. A full 20 percent of respondents maintained it acceptable to inflict physical harm on those deemed to have made “offensive and hurtful statements.”..."
"...Today’s despisers of free speech have their roots in a different ideology from the tribal sort that was used to justify slaveholding and Puritanism. This newer ideology began with Karl Marx..."
"...For class revolution to work, nations would first have to rid themselves of the oppressive speech of the bourgeoisie. Gramsci’s ideas crossed the Atlantic in the 1930s and 1940s, and won their biggest following among Americans of the New Left in the 1960s, who declared that freedom of speech was merely the tool that the dominant class used to drown revolutionary messages in a flood of meaningless and distracting blather about freedom and tolerance..."
"...There has never been a freedom, of course, that someone has not proved ingenious enough to abuse. And Carolyn Rouse is certainly correct in one respect: cultures do inhibit speech. She learned this, to her own surprise, in February, when fellow professor Leonard Rosen’s use of the N-word in his Anthropology of Law class as an instruction-example of offensive speech triggered a dramatic student walkout; Rouse’s defense of her colleague caused her to be attacked herself, for failing to understand that “expecting the dissenting students to dispassionately debate amid hate speech is tantamount to silencing their experience.” ..."
"...Ironically, some of the vilest examples of bona fide “hate speech” have occurred within the very groves of academe, committed by students who seek to oppose, rather than expand, free-speech rights. On November 12, 2015, 150 Black Lives Matter activists invaded the Baker-Berry Library at Dartmouth, shouting to students in the library, “crappity smack you, you filthy white crappity smacks!” “crappity smack you and your comfort!” and “crappity smack you, you racist shits!” as a way of expressing solidarity with “our brothers and sisters across the country who are staring terrorism and assault directly in the face,” ..."
"...The Dartmouth affair was swiftly followed by the “Demands of Black Voices” incident at Duke University, where the target shifted from intimidating students to intimidating faculty. ..." "... “I am scared to teach courses on race, gender or sexuality or even texts that bring these issues up in any way . . . especially since many of these students don’t believe in historicity or objective facts.”..."
"...when we chart the subsequent outbursts of speech suppression at Berkeley, Middlebury, and Evergreen State...."

And this just goes on and on and on and on and on !

And it still ends up as, one person can call Trump all sorts of very explicit, sexual names. And accuse him of all sorts of things, which are not true.

And another is admonished for calling AOC one thing

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by Serowbot on 06/28/19 at 16:55:50

Science journals don't consider all opinions to be valid or equal.
Only opinions with scientific validity.
You're free to say the world is flat,.. but you ain't gonna' get it published in a scientific journal.
That ain't prejudice,... it's just reality.
;D

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by Eegore on 06/28/19 at 20:19:00

"Ok two can play this game. Prove me wrong."

I never said you were wrong, I don't even know why you would think that. I said I can not find the material you spoke of given the phrasing you provided.

"Now you all have to prove everything you say to me from now on with. Reference or I'll call you a liar in public like you've done to me "

I never called you anything, including a liar. I didn't think you were lying, I am trying to convey that the phrase: "16 countries have curtailed the freedom of speech in the name of justice for trannies" does not give enough information to point me to Canada Bill C16.

I provided a list of searches I performed based off your phrasing and did not come up with any actual law.

That is all I am saying.

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by Eegore on 06/28/19 at 20:21:55

"Let me help, must be different browsers/search engines."

Thank you.

Can you provide the search terms you used, the results are not complimentary to search engine advice unless the terms searched are provided. As it is presented now, I can utilize results you provide, but would not know how you arrived at them.

I supplied a list of search terms I used and no direction towards actual law was provided within the first 20 results of each indicated phrase.

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/29/19 at 08:47:27

5C4A5D40584D405B2F0 wrote:

It ain't prejudice
It's just reality
Men can't be women
Can't get pregnant
Women can't be men
Can't get a woman pregnant
Men who believe they are women really don't need tampons
Or access to abortions
Yet, the insanity has risen to just that level.
Boy's rooms with
Feminine Hygiene products available

INFUKKINGSANE

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by MnSpring on 06/29/19 at 09:39:26

4D6D6F677A6D080 wrote:

Can you provide the search terms you used,

Try, ‘banning free speech’

Here is ACLU
“…To be clear, the First Amendment does not protect behavior on campus that crosses the line into targeted harassment or threats, or that creates a pervasively hostile environment for vulnerable students….”
“…public colleges and universities have no obligation to fund student publications; however, the Supreme Court has held that if a public university voluntarily provides these funds, it cannot selectively withhold them from particular student publications simply because they advocate a controversial point of view….”
“…College administrators cannot, however, dictate which speakers students may invite to campus on their own initiative. …”

https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/view-considers-limits-free-speech-online-facebooks-ban/story?id=62802654
“…”The View" co-hosts questioned if a Facebook's recent ban of individuals they deemed "dangerous" is a violation of the First Amendment.
…” “…In addition to this, Facebook said that when someone is banned under this policy, praise and supporting of those individuals is prohibited under their policy….”
“…"I have no issue with it at all," co-host Ana Navarro said. "I want them shutdown. I want them silenced. I want them muted. I think they are horrible for our society. …”

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/02/facebook-bans-far-right-alex-jones-1299247
“…“It’s unfortunate that online speech doesn’t have enough room for controversial views,” he said in an email….”
“…Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg notoriously said on a podcast last year that he'd allow posts denying the Holocaust as long as the people behind them sincerely believed what they were saying….”
“…In an escalation of its content enforcement actions, the company also booted a small group of fringe right-wing figures, including commentator and provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos, Infowars contributor Paul Joseph Watson, activist Laura Loomer and Paul Nehlen…”
“…"Every time Facebook makes the choice to remove content, a single company is exercising an unchecked power to silence individuals and remove them from what has become an indispensable platform for the speech of billions,” American Civil Liberties Union staff attorney Vera Eidelman told POLITICO in March. “When speech is censored by private parties based on the content of that speech, there's nothing stopping Facebook — or YouTube or Twitter — from using that same power to censor organizations fighting to protect abortion rights or individuals fighting against climate change tomorrow.”…”

https://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/computers/item/32187-war-on-free-speech-facebook-bans-people-it-considers-dangerous
“…Facebook announced that it will institute a ban against certain personalities it considers “dangerous.” The bans will also affect the Instagram platform, which Facebook owns….”
“…“It’s a bizarre political stunt and they’re trying to hide their censorship of conservatives by mixing in Louis Farrakhan,” Jones said….”

Here is one, you can go to, and look up country by country:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech_by_country

Was gonna look at L.A. Times, however, can’t see what is written, because they block me, and only allow me to view their page, if I PAY them. It was the SAME with mercurynews.com. A soon as I clicked, ’No Thanks’, I was directed to total nonsense, and not at all about the subject.

So now, here you have just a drop in a thimble, of people wanting, and denying, 'Free Speech', because the view expressed does not mesh with their view.
Kinda like this forum, A group of people can call a politician absolutely anything they want,
and one person call a politician one thing, and the feces hits the fan.
All because of, 'political', orientation.
Can it be, Sure it can, this is private, the owner can do anything they want. Just like a very small scale, F.B.

Read these links, all of them,
find and read, the many, many more that are out their,
then come to your own conclusion.

(Unless you want the easy way,
and let AOC, BS, CY just TELL YOU, what to think)

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by Serowbot on 06/29/19 at 10:46:47

2C3335322F2819291921333F74460 wrote:

I guess nobody has considered the devastating impact of seeing feminine hygiene products will have on you.
How narrow minded of them.

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/29/19 at 12:57:48

Explain WHY they should BE there.
It's stupid.
Are the boys gonna suddenly start their period?
It's not BIOLOGICALLY possible.
We are bending over backwards as a society to tell those who Need mental health care that they are just fine.
It's insane. And giving them the opportunities to compete against Real Girls and steal their opportunities for scholarships and accolades for their hard work.
If anyone can't see how wrong all of this is, they,too, could stand a few hours on
The Couch.

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by thumperclone on 06/29/19 at 13:42:10

please teach us about "The Couch"

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by Serowbot on 06/29/19 at 13:45:43

A student at Brown U wants to make a political point.
The bunch in your panties is proof he made it.

"“I think that if we can implement this project, that will add to this conversation and make it more of an accessible topic,” she said. "

Your cooperation in adding to the conversation and publicity of this stunt is appreciated.
You are officially a tool of the free tampon movement. ;D

Seriously,.. what difference does this make to you personally?
No one is making you buy them or wear them.
Relax and let the students make their point.

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by thumperclone on 06/29/19 at 14:24:36

why can not a person love who they wish
there's not enough love in this world to begin with

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by pg on 06/29/19 at 14:36:24

3D213C24392C3B2A2526272C490 wrote:

why can not a person love who they wish
there's not enough love in this world to begin with

I have no issue with your statement. I do however have an issue when protected classes receive privileges and they affect the rights of others. e.g. bathrooms, athletic competitions, and Warren with her reparations.

Best regards,

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by pg on 06/29/19 at 15:04:47

362827262B362D30420 wrote:

[quote author=03201D3E3C2720294E0 link=1560790502/15#29 date=1561738310][quote author=6E707F7E736E75681A0 link=1560790502/15#28 date=1561725450] To be clear, protests are not harassment.

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by Eegore on 06/29/19 at 16:06:58

"Kinda like this forum, A group of people can call a politician absolutely anything they want,
and one person call a politician one thing, and the feces hits the fan.
All because of, 'political', orientation."

My understanding is Trump can not be called a C.ock Holster. Nobody can.

Nobody. Not just AOC. Nobody.

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by MnSpring on 06/29/19 at 16:17:49

634341495443260 wrote:

My understanding is Trump can not be called a C.ock Holster.

Why not.
Members here, (Plural), have referred to the POTUS, as sucking, or having a particular body part, sucked.

It was sure OK then,
so what has changed ?

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by pg on 06/29/19 at 18:43:16

3B2C2A2629394B0 wrote:

[quote author=362827262B362D30420 link=1560790502/30#31 date=1561739420][quote author=03201D3E3C2720294E0 link=1560790502/15#29 date=1561738310][quote author=6E707F7E736E75681A0 link=1560790502/15#28 date=1561725450] To be clear, protests are not harassment.

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by Eegore on 06/29/19 at 19:43:50

"It was sure OK then,
so what has changed ?"

It was established that it would no longer be allowed.

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/29/19 at 21:31:56

Trump is a living, breathing, stable genius c ockholster.
If it doesn't work, then I'll know.

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by MnSpring on 06/30/19 at 14:23:18

716E686F72754474447C6E62291B0 wrote:

Trump is a living, breathing, stable genius c ockholster. If it doesn't work, then I'll know.

OMG, you said a, 'bad' word.
(Which did not become bad, until . . . )

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by MnSpring on 06/30/19 at 14:30:40

736D62636E736875070 wrote:

The fact is mn, protests are not harassment.

NPR, a UL Favorite, headlined this:
“Black Lives Matter holds peaceful protest at marathon"

Did you catch that word, peaceful, ‘Protest’.

Then later called it, “protesters demonstrated as planned”

Of course the one sided, ’news’ despite the BLM’s promise to keep off race course, completely downplayed, the: “Nevertheless the Black Lives Matter group continued on their way, blocking traffic”

And no mention of the weeks before, where the BLM terrified everybody competing in the race, and the spectators.
By saying they WERE going to STOP the race.

And if squads of police were not their, to protect,
BLM would have done lots more.
Some, that is SOME, protests are protests.
Most protests, turn into harassment, and riots.

But that’s OK, tt says, a ‘protest’ is NOT ‘harassment’.
Just repeating what C.U says.

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2015/10/05/blm-protest-marathon

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/30/19 at 15:06:02

Seems like I remember hearing,,
It's none of anybody's Business what I do in my bedroom...
I agree
Fine, do what YOU want.
Quit making it a public issue.

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by T And T Garage on 07/01/19 at 06:23:36

5D4E5958474A4C4E451A2B0 wrote:

[quote author=7B656A6B667B607D0F0 link=1560790502/30#41 date=1561756719][quote author=7E6D7A7B64696F6D6639080 link=1560790502/30#39 date=1561752050][quote author=607E71707D607B66140 link=1560790502/30#37 date=1561749924][quote author=5D4E5958474A4C4E451A2B0 link=1560790502/30#35 date=1561748870]
We're not talking about protesting fascists, racists and the like. We're talking about harassment and what the fascist left will stop at nothing to suppress all those that opposes them. No free speech, No right to work, No right to freedom.

Wait, so let me get this straight... you and your conservative buds can say all you want about the "terrible liberals", but we can't protest against the a$$holes on the right?

How many rocks do you have in your glass house vers?[/quote]

There you go again, taking a discussion about one thing and making it into another.

But I guess you can because you don't understand the difference between harassment and protest.[/quote]

OK then vers - tell me - how does the left "suppress" those that oppose them?

How are we taking away your right to speak? How are we taking away your right to work? How are protests taking away your freedom?

The way I see it, protest is just that - protest.

You know, kinda like those guys did in Charlottesville with tiki torches - remember?

The same way that Dr. King marched in Selma.

[/quote]
How are we taking away your right to speak?
By instigating violence - like the right has done on many occasions - OK....
How are we taking away your right to work?
By hunting down opposition protesters and harassing their workplace. - like abortion clinic protests and bombings - OK...
How are protests taking away your freedom?
By preventing opposition rallies. - I see no stopping them. In fact, white supremacists have been on a roll lately.

those guys did in Charlottesville with tiki torches, are you saying those broke up their own rally? Or that they broke up the counter protest by returning the rocks thrown at them?

Oh, so you were there? You saw that happen? It was the counter-protesters that started it? You sure? Yeah, guys with torches chanting about "Jews won't replace us" are the good guys though... right?

Selma, you know that was broken up by the government don't you?[/quote]

Yes. Sadly, that was a different time (or so I thought). It's stupid that we have to rehash racism in 2019. By now, we as a country should be farther along than that.

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by T And T Garage on 07/01/19 at 06:26:20

342C2D28302C3D292D2F21440 wrote:

[quote author=786669686578637E0C0 link=1560790502/15#24 date=1561685111][quote author=435B5A5F475B4A5E5A5856330 link=1560790502/15#21 date=1561678548]I have nothing against transgender people. Lived in a place full of them for awhile. What bothers me is that they are being used as pawns in the Marxist Socialist chess game to overthrow free market economy and democracy.

One of the key strategic targets of Socialism is the freedom of speech.
It's crucial that they erode that freedom to achieve their revolution.

How does socialism "erode" the First Amendment?

So the TG community serves that purpose by willingly being made into victims who's rights are demanded by social justice. In the eyes of social justice it's totally justifiable to take the rights of 99.999% of the population so that a 0.001% minority can think they have equality.

What do you mean "take the rights" - what rights are being taken? Further, you don't think that 100% of Americans deserve all the same rights?

How is recognizing a minority an infringement of those in the majority?

But really they don't give a crap about those people. The bigger objective is to take the freedom of speech away from the majority thereby starting tbe slippery slope that leads to book burnings and the book of Newspeak.

Seriously? Book burnings? A little extreme, don't you think? (well, I guess not, since you wrote it..)

Taking our speech away divides us in fundamentally powerful ways and a people divided are a weak people, just as Marx said.

Again, how do you think your freedom of speech being taken away?

16 countries have curtailed the freedom of speech in the name of justice for trannies. Don't let it happen here.
Consider the safety of the TG community who in those countries arw now targets of even higher prejudice than before.

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by T And T Garage on 07/01/19 at 06:47:14

4D6D6F677A6D080 wrote:

"Peacefully, of course. Here's an example - say your congressman was pro-choice. Don't you think you have the right to protest him/her if you disagree?"

I do not.

Do you vote Eegore? I do. I'm also active in a few political groups. The very fact that we can protest our elected officials is one of the things that makes this country so great.

Let me be clear on the distinctions I try to make.

1. In this day and age - in my opinion - there is no room for racists. Be it nazis, white supremacists or whatever. We as a country should have been long past this by now.

2. As stated before - being a public official opens you up to ridicule. It's part of the job. That's pretty much every public job from DMV (everyone loves going there, right?) to crossing guard to judge. In my opinion, elected officials are even more open to it.

3. I'm not talking about private citizens' jobs.

So in the following you replied to a question:

"let's identify every white supremacist and get them fired" ... that's harassment."

Perhaps - but to me, that's justified. Would you hire a nazi??

How is attempting to remove a person's source of income "protest"?

That's my opinion, nothing more. I would feel the same way with a child pronographer (misspelled intentionally), or crack dealer or rapist.

In my opinion, a person with that type of mentality is damaging to our society.

Would you consider someone trying to take away your income by trying to have you removed from your job harassment?

If I did that because I don't like pro-choice, would you consider me to be "protesting" you, or "harassing" you?

Yes - and I see the point you're trying to make - but as I stated above, I'm not a public official. Further, in my business, I keep it professional.

To me, it is not a "protest" when the line between peaceable public expression is crossed and becomes a situation where anyone attempts to interfere with the personal or professional life of another beyond Peaceable Assembly. If someone was actively trying to stop me from having a job I would clearly consider that harassment.

That's you and about 99% of the US. But public officials aren't so insulated.

In fact, by my participation, I am actively trying to get our current president "fired" - and that's not harassment, that's our electoral system in action.

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by T And T Garage on 07/01/19 at 06:52:50

5344424E4151230 wrote:

[quote author=3B2C2A2629394B0 link=1560790502/60#62 date=1561845887][quote author=362827262B362D30420 link=1560790502/30#31 date=1561739420][quote author=03201D3E3C2720294E0 link=1560790502/15#29 date=1561738310][quote author=6E707F7E736E75681A0 link=1560790502/15#28 date=1561725450] To be clear, protests are not harassment.

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by MnSpring on 07/01/19 at 09:12:13

2F313E3F322F34295B0 wrote:

but we can't protest against the a$$holes on the right?.

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by T And T Garage on 07/01/19 at 09:34:53

14370A292B30373E590 wrote:

[quote author=2F313E3F322F34295B0 link=1560790502/60#71 date=1561987416] but we can't protest against the a$$holes on the right?.

LOLOLOLOLOL
You can, 'protest', all you want.
But the UL, FDS's do Not, 'protest',
they harass !

"... harassment... - ...To me, that's justified..."

And, suppress all those that opposes them.
Just look at the, Facts !

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:-*

[/quote]

Suppress how? Just because we protest doesn't mean they can't counter.

But I will say this - white supremacists and nazis should be shouted down. IMHO they have no place in a civilized society.

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by MnSpring on 07/02/19 at 09:25:08

584649484558435E2C0 wrote:

- white supremacists and nazis should be shouted down. IMHO they have no place in a civilized society.

Given that most people believe the, "...white supremacists and nazis...", are in the 1-5% of the Right.

Given that you have admited,
(several times now as well as accepting, and being proud to be)
that you are in the 1-5% of the Left.

Tell us all what makes your 1-5% Left view.
Better, than the 1-5% Right view?

I would say,
(MOST of the, Citizens of this Nation),
believe the 1-5%, Left or Right,
should be totally ignored.

(Let me counter your feeble attempt at a comeback)
I consider myself, no farther than, 15% to the Right on a few subjects.
And no farther than 45% to the Left on some.
Average, probably 40% to the RIGHT.

Again, why is your 1-5% Left View
Better than the 1-5% Right view ?

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Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by T And T Garage on 07/02/19 at 09:30:52

2F0C3112100B0C05620 wrote:

[quote author=584649484558435E2C0 link=1560790502/75#76 date=1561998893]- white supremacists and nazis should be shouted down. IMHO they have no place in a civilized society.

Given that most people believe the, "...white supremacists and nazis...", are in the 1-5% of the Right.

Given that you have admited,
(several times now as well as accepting, and being proud to be)
that you are in the 1-5% of the Left.

Tell us all what makes your 1-5% Left view.
Better, than the 1-5% Right view?

I would say,
(MOST of the, Citizens of this Nation),
believe the 1-5%, Left or Right,
should be totally ignored.

(Let me counter your feeble attempt at a comeback)
I consider myself, no farther than, 15% to the Right on a few subjects.
And no farther than 45% to the Left on some.
Average, probably 40% to the RIGHT.

Again, why is your 1-5% Left View
Better than the 1-5% Right view ?

Sorry mn - but your logic bears no meaning in reality.

But you keep doing you.

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Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by MnSpring on 07/02/19 at 09:39:50

7F616E6F627F64790B0 wrote:

your logic bears no meaning in reality.

Unfortunate, you lack comprehension skills.

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by T And T Garage on 07/02/19 at 09:55:51

5C7F426163787F76110 wrote:

[quote author=7F616E6F627F64790B0 link=1560790502/75#78 date=1562085052] your logic bears no meaning in reality.

Unfortunate, you lack comprehension skills.
[/quote]

Coming from you, there's not that much gravitas.

Nice try though.

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/02/19 at 14:56:43

But I will say this - white supremacists and nazis should be shouted down. IMHO they have no place in a civilized society.

Your definition of them may not be accurate.

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by T And T Garage on 07/02/19 at 15:20:08

415E585F42457444744C5E52192B0 wrote:

But I will say this - white supremacists and nazis should be shouted down. IMHO they have no place in a civilized society.

Your definition of them may not be accurate.

This coming from you?

Sorry jog - any credibility you have to speak on the subject of racism is moot. Your posts precede you.

Title: Re: Muh Values
Post by Serowbot on 07/02/19 at 15:40:59

If you identify as a "Nazi" or "KKK",... you're trying pretty hard to be misunderstood.
Do you want to tell me that some of them are good people?...

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