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Title: That didn't take long..... Post by pg on 06/11/19 at 09:53:00 https://dailycaller.com/2019/06/11/ocasio-cortez-congress-dark-money-pay-raise/ Evidently she can't make it on 174K a year, and generous health care & retirement benefits. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: That didn't take long..... Post by LostArtist on 06/11/19 at 10:21:58 you understand the cost of living thing right? |
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Title: Re: That didn't take long..... Post by pg on 06/11/19 at 10:38:42 50736F685D6E68756F681C0 wrote:
Yes, do you understand the time-value-money (TVM) - N, I, PV, PMT, FV? Why does she need a cost of living adjustment after 6 months on the job? Best regards, |
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Title: Re: That didn't take long..... Post by T And T Garage on 06/11/19 at 10:50:48 Meanwhile, she pays all her staff a great wage - far better than many. So, if she wants to vote in a COLA - so be it. It's nothing. It's fair. And had it been promoted by a con, you'd be just fine with it. I don't recall AOC taking a vow of poverty, do you? |
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Title: Re: That didn't take long..... Post by pg on 06/11/19 at 11:42:26 415F50515C415A47350 wrote:
I recall her wanting to give money I earn to undeserving people. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: That didn't take long..... Post by T And T Garage on 06/11/19 at 11:56:46 6F787E727D6D1F0 wrote:
I recall her wanting to give money I earn to undeserving people. Best regards,[/quote] Undeserving in your eyes maybe, but not in most others. You know, like homeless Vets, homeless children, the disabled, the elderly, etc. |
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Title: Re: That didn't take long..... Post by pg on 06/11/19 at 13:01:31 4F515E5F524F54493B0 wrote:
I recall her wanting to give money I earn to undeserving people. Best regards,[/quote] Undeserving in your eyes maybe, but not in most others. You know, like homeless Vets, homeless children, the disabled, the elderly, etc. [/quote] Well cry me a river for the hooker with a heart of gold, she can donate more of her own money if its that important to her. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: That didn't take long..... Post by T And T Garage on 06/11/19 at 13:04:03 2B3C3A3639295B0 wrote:
I recall her wanting to give money I earn to undeserving people. Best regards,[/quote] Undeserving in your eyes maybe, but not in most others. You know, like homeless Vets, homeless children, the disabled, the elderly, etc. [/quote] Well cry me a river for the hooker with a heart of gold, she can donate more of her own money if its that important to her. Best regards,[/quote] Well pro golfer, it looks like you're the only one crying about it. Hey, if you don't like it - don't pay your taxes. ;D |
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Title: Re: That didn't take long..... Post by pg on 06/11/19 at 13:11:53 [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-qV9wVGb38[/media] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-qV9wVGb38 Best regards, |
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Title: Re: That didn't take long..... Post by T And T Garage on 06/11/19 at 13:20:05 4156505C5343310 wrote:
Great movie! And now, that same archetype waitress that Buscemi's character degrades is sitting in Congress, on Congressional panels, making laws, making a difference and scaring the crap out of the republicans! LOL How about that? Go AOC!! |
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Title: Re: That didn't take long..... Post by LostArtist on 06/11/19 at 15:19:26 584F49454A5A280 wrote:
is that character your role model??? confirms a lot about you |
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Title: Re: That didn't take long..... Post by MnSpring on 06/11/19 at 15:35:39 293738393429322F5D0 wrote:
Na, he ain't ! Prior to being sworn in to Congress, Ocasio-Cortez complained that she couldn’t afford an apartment in Washington and actually looked for donations from supporters to help her along the way. O, BTY, when ya gonna, gimme, gimme, gimme, ... that Bobber you built ? |
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Title: Re: That didn't take long..... Post by T And T Garage on 06/11/19 at 15:55:18 4764597A7863646D0A0 wrote:
Na, he ain't ! Prior to being sworn in to Congress, Ocasio-Cortez complained that she couldn’t afford an apartment in Washington and actually looked for donations from supporters to help her along the way. Good for her. But I was talking about pro golfer whining about her raise. He's the only one complaining. Well, now you too maybe. O, BTY, when ya gonna, gimme, gimme, gimme, ... that Bobber you built ? [/quote] As soon as you give me $15,000.00 USD for it. Otherwise, stop asking. Cool? |
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Title: Re: That didn't take long..... Post by thumperclone on 06/11/19 at 16:20:46 my ssa cola this year was 2% that equals about $3,500 for a 174k salary |
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Title: Re: That didn't take long..... Post by LostArtist on 06/11/19 at 16:25:42 766A776F726770616E6D6C67020 wrote:
big money, big money!!!! that's almost enough to buy Trump.... |
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Title: Re: That didn't take long..... Post by MnSpring on 06/11/19 at 17:02:11 574946474A574C51230 wrote:
Oh No, I don’t want to PAY for it. I WANT, you to GIVE it to me. I don’t want to WORK for it, I WANT, you to GIVE it to me. I don’t want to, EARN it, I WANT, you to GIVE it to me. I don’t want to DESERVE it I WANT, you to GIVE it to me. So Gimme it ! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: That didn't take long..... Post by T And T Garage on 06/11/19 at 17:07:17 2E0D3013110A0D04630 wrote:
Oh No, I don’t want to PAY for it. I WANT, you to GIVE it to me. I don’t want to WORK for it, I WANT, you to GIVE it to me. I don’t want to, EARN it, I WANT, you to GIVE it to me. I don’t want to DESERVE it I WANT, you to GIVE it to me. So Gimme it ! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D [/quote] Oh, I get it... you think that's how democratic socialism works. Kind of a poor attempt at a joke, huh? Well thankfully, you're wrong. But nice try. Maybe if you read what AOC is all about, you'd know more about democratic socialism and you'd be able to comment with more knowledge. Like I told pro golfer, if you don't like to pay taxes, then don't pay them. I'm sure the IRS would understand.... :D |
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Title: Re: That didn't take long..... Post by MnSpring on 06/11/19 at 17:57:35 253B343538253E23510 wrote:
Why don't you tell us all, what the, democratic socialists, are all about. And why they are, NOT, recognized by the 'regular' Democrats. “… she has self-identified as a “democratic socialist,…” “…a member of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA)…” “…Like most socialist organizations, DSA believes in the abolition of capitalism in favor of an economy run either by “the workers” or the state…” “… DSA [members advocate] ending private ownership of a wide range of industries whose products are viewed as “necessities,” which they say should not be left to those seeking to turn a profit….” “…DSA also believes that the government should “democratize” private businesses — i.e., force owners to give workers control of them — to the greatest extent possible….” “…She wants to use the power of the state to redistribute wealth….” “…Ocasio-Cortez supports Medicare-for-all and a single-payer health care system, tuition-free college for all, banning private prisons, tax the wealthy more, and most notable, abolishing the US Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency…” “…The problem Democrats have is that the most compelling stars of the party are self-described socialists with a knack for generating controversy and media attention, and with committed mass followings…” ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: That didn't take long..... Post by T And T Garage on 06/11/19 at 19:31:50 5675486B6972757C1B0 wrote:
Why don't you tell us all, what the, democratic socialists, are all about. And why they are, NOT, recognized by the 'regular' Democrats. “… she has self-identified as a “democratic socialist,…” - true “…a member of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA)…” - true “…Like most socialist organizations, DSA believes in the abolition of capitalism in favor of an economy run either by “the workers” or the state…” Well that's a lie. “… DSA [members advocate] ending private ownership of a wide range of industries whose products are viewed as “necessities,” which they say should not be left to those seeking to turn a profit….” Another lie. “…DSA also believes that the government should “democratize” private businesses — i.e., force owners to give workers control of them — to the greatest extent possible….” Another lie. “…She wants to use the power of the state to redistribute wealth….” Another lie. “…Ocasio-Cortez supports Medicare-for-all and a single-payer health care system, tuition-free college for all, banning private prisons, tax the wealthy more, and most notable, abolishing the US Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency…” All true. “…The problem Democrats have is that the most compelling stars of the party are self-described socialists with a knack for generating controversy and media attention, and with committed mass followings…” Seems that the righties are the ones with their panties in a bunch and screaming on TV. But hey - that's good press for us Democratic Socialists! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D [/quote] If you really want to know what Democratic Socialists are all about, go here and read: http://www.dsausa.org/ Democratic socialists believe that both the economy and society should be run democratically—to meet public needs, not to make profits for a few. To achieve a more just society, many structures of our government and economy must be radically transformed through greater economic and social democracy so that ordinary Americans can participate in the many decisions that affect our lives. Democracy and socialism go hand in hand. All over the world, wherever the idea of democracy has taken root, the vision of socialism has taken root as well—everywhere but in the United States. Because of this, many false ideas about socialism have developed in the US. Democratic socialists do not want to create an all-powerful government bureaucracy. But we do not want big corporate bureaucracies to control our society either. Rather, we believe that social and economic decisions should be made by those whom they most affect. |
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Title: Re: That didn't take long..... Post by MnSpring on 06/11/19 at 19:46:42 7A646B6A677A617C0E0 wrote:
Thanks for explaining exactaly what the, Democratic Socialists, are all about. You forgot to explain, WHY, the, Democratic Socialists are, NOT, recognized by the 'regular' Democrats. Or is just printing, 'lie' behind facts enough for you ? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: That didn't take long..... Post by T And T Garage on 06/12/19 at 06:20:03 5675486B6972757C1B0 wrote:
Thanks for explaining exactaly what the, Democratic Socialists, are all about. You forgot to explain, WHY, the, Democratic Socialists are, NOT, recognized by the 'regular' Democrats. Or is just printing, 'lie' behind facts enough for you ? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D [/quote] Well mn, I'd like to see your proof that "regular" democrats don't support Justice Democrats. I think perhaps you read that somewhere on some conservative site. But I will tell you this - far too few "regular" democrats support Medicare for all, free community college tuition, a $15.00/hr minimum wage and getting money out of politics. Those "regular" democrats are what I call establishment democrats and frankly, their time is over (just like the establishment repubs). Clear? |
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Title: Re: That didn't take long..... Post by WebsterMark on 06/12/19 at 06:34:39 But I will tell you this - far too few "regular" democrats support Medicare for all, free community college tuition, a $15.00/hr minimum wage and getting money out of politics. Those "regular" democrats are what I call establishment democrats and frankly, their time is over (just like the establishment repubs). Those 'regular' democrats as you call them are the ones who put Trump in office in 2016 and will put him in again by not voting if a traitorous socialist like Sanders somehow makes in on the ballot or a fraud like Warren. The time of regular Democrats is not quite over and the US will survive a little while longer until Leftist finish her off. |
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Title: Re: That didn't take long..... Post by T And T Garage on 06/12/19 at 06:44:50 360403121504132C00130A610 wrote:
You're entitled to your opinion, but I think you're way off. trump got elected because of Hillary and complacency (and let's not forget about that "horrible" electoral college) But I love that your vitriol of Bernie now contains the word "traitorous". Calling him that is the same as calling trump "honest" - LOL - but whatever makes you feel good I guess. The problem with the establishment dems is that they try too hard to work with the repubs - with the repubs not budging. Biden is a perfect example of that. He prides himself in that. I guess he didn't learn anything in the 8 years he was with Obama - remember all those times that the repubs worked with him?.... Yeah, me either, because that never happened. The democratic socialists actually have a spine and stand up to the repubs. Warren is slow and steady, but I still think Bernie is a safe bet. I guess we'll see in the coming months. It's gonna be fun, that's for sure! |
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Title: Re: That didn't take long..... Post by WebsterMark on 06/12/19 at 06:45:56 By the way; AOC's reasoning for a raise was if we don't get a raise, we'll be more susceptible to bribes..... |
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Title: Re: That didn't take long..... Post by WebsterMark on 06/12/19 at 06:48:16 You're entitled to your opinion, but I think you're way off. trump got elected because of Hillary and complacency (and let's not forget about that "horrible" electoral college) Please keep thinking that..... But I love that your vitriol of Bernie now contains the word "traitorous". Bernie Sanders is a traitor to the core of this nation. |
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Title: Re: That didn't take long..... Post by pg on 06/12/19 at 07:33:54 Another lie. “…She wants to use the power of the state to redistribute wealth….” That is precisely what will occur with her agenda. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: That didn't take long..... Post by T And T Garage on 06/12/19 at 11:27:53 013334252233241B37243D560 wrote:
Really? How so? |
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Title: Re: That didn't take long..... Post by T And T Garage on 06/12/19 at 11:34:28 283F39353A2A580 wrote:
"Her" agenda? No pro golfer, it's the Democratic Socialists' agenda. In case you haven't noticed, income disparity is at unheard of record levels in our country. These roaring teens and twenties are much like those of the 20th Century. Remember what happened then? (it starts with a d and rhymes with "oppression"...) Middle class wages have been stagnant (at best) for the better part of 30 years. How is that a good thing? How is living in a near oligarchy a good thing? I'm all for a level playing field. Tax burden should be shared. Those who can afford more, should pay more. Seemed to work pretty good in the 50's, 60's and 70's. |
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Title: Re: That didn't take long..... Post by LostArtist on 06/12/19 at 12:46:15 754740515647506F435049220 wrote:
no, they didn't. middle of the road democrats either voted for Clinton or stayed home, not FOR Trump, you probably actually had more Bernie supporters vote FOR Trump than Clinton supporters Trump didn't win by getting MORE votes... he won by suppressing democratic votes who had their middle of the road capitalistic candidate in Clinton. Clinton excited no one to come out to vote for her. She wasn't POPULIST enough, her answer to "what are you going to do for us?" was "More of the same..." Sanders would have and still can SMASH Trump in a general election. Wall Street expects a Trump win in 2020, but a new poll points to a different outcome "Biden, who plans to blast Trump in a speech Tuesday night as both politicians campaign in Iowa, held the largest lead, 53%-40%. He built it with decided advantages among women, independents, college-educated whites, nonwhites and young voters. Yet self-described Democratic socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont recorded an edge almost as large. He led Trump by 51%-42%. Here’s where the 2020 Democratic front-runners stand on the issues Sen. Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts led Trump by 49% to 42%. Sen. Kamala Harris of California led the incumbent by 49%-41%." https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/11/wall-street-expects-a-trump-win-in-2020-but-a-new-poll-points-to-a-different-outcome.html but you're on Wall Street's side so you won't believe it anyway, probably claim how wrong the polls were in 2016.... but they weren't... the electoral college and all its flaws are what got Trump in, the polls were right nationally. but you don't actually believe in democracy so no wonder you don't understand democratic socialism |
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Title: Re: That didn't take long..... Post by LostArtist on 06/12/19 at 12:50:35 467473626574635C70637A110 wrote:
you mean the COLA that they haven't gotten since 2009 |
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Title: Re: That didn't take long..... Post by MnSpring on 06/12/19 at 13:48:29 0625393E0B383E23393E4A0 wrote:
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Title: Re: That didn't take long..... Post by MnSpring on 06/12/19 at 14:06:33 6E707F7E736E75681A0 wrote:
Really ? You previously said: Well that's a lie. to: “… she has self-identified as a “democratic socialist,…” AND “…a member of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA)…” And you also said: Maybe if you read what AOC is all about, you'd know more about democratic socialism So then, AOC is NOT, a DSA, (according to you) So are you, Back-Peddling/Spinning, or just Lying, Again ? What's that word that begins with 'H' ? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: That didn't take long..... Post by T And T Garage on 06/12/19 at 14:47:08 2F0C3112100B0C05620 wrote:
Really ? You previously said: Well that's a lie. to: “… she has self-identified as a “democratic socialist,…” AND “…a member of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA)…” And you also said: Maybe if you read what AOC is all about, you'd know more about democratic socialism So then, AOC is NOT, a DSA, (according to you) So are you, Back-Peddling/Spinning, or just Lying, Again ? What's that word that begins with 'H' ? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D [/quote] Wow... I don't know why I bother, but I guess I feel a little bad for you. The point I was making mn, was that AOC wasn't just going off on her own - she's actually acting like a Democratic Socialist. pro golfer made it sound like she's some sort of loose cannon, when in reality, she's sticking to her principals within the democratic socialists. Do you get it now? I'm so sorry you have such a tough time comprehending things. |
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Title: Re: That didn't take long..... Post by MnSpring on 06/12/19 at 14:53:09 637D72737E637865170 wrote:
Then, please explain why, YOU, said: Well that's a lie. To: “… she has self-identified as a “democratic socialist,…” “…a member of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA)…” |
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Title: Re: That didn't take long..... Post by T And T Garage on 06/12/19 at 14:58:58 1C3F022123383F36510 wrote:
Then, please explain why, YOU, said: Well that's a lie. To: “… she has self-identified as a “democratic socialist,…” “…a member of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA)…” [/quote] Oh, sorry you didn't understand my post (again) . I was answering the last statement. I went back and fixed it for you, m'kay? |
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Title: Re: That didn't take long..... Post by LostArtist on 06/12/19 at 15:17:58 55764B686A71767F180 wrote:
[/quote] ??????? so, you're admitting that no illegal citizens voted in bulk to affect the election of 2016 then... good. |
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Title: Re: That didn't take long..... Post by MnSpring on 06/12/19 at 16:34:51 445A555459445F42300 wrote:
So glad now, you, admit that AOC, is a Democratic Socialist, and a card carrying member of the,'wacky-crackly', DSA. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :-* (Or will you back track your statement, yet again ?) “… she has self-identified as a “democratic socialist,…” - true “…a member of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA)…” - true |
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Title: Re: That didn't take long..... Post by MnSpring on 06/12/19 at 16:45:53 (And again, just for the tt) So, tt, you have now admitted AOC IS, a DSA. (Well unless you back track, yet again) So please explain how AOC, a, 'dedicated', DSA member/follower. Can believe/promote the main platform planks of the DSA, then at the same time, ask for a raise of a Salary that is already HUGE, for the amount of work that is done. (Which is the original topic of this thread) |
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Title: Re: That didn't take long..... Post by T And T Garage on 06/12/19 at 17:41:11 7A596447455E5950370 wrote:
So glad now, you, admit that AOC, is a Democratic Socialist, and a card carrying member of the,'wacky-crackly', DSA. I never denied that mn. In fact, I consider myself a democratic socialist as well. What's the big deal? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :-* (Or will you back track your statement, yet again ?) I never walked it back in the first place. You wish that I did, but it was your own misunderstanding. “… she has self-identified as a “democratic socialist,…” - true “…a member of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA)…” - true [/quote] Yep - AOC is a democratic Socialist. In other news - rain is wet! LOL |
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Title: Re: That didn't take long..... Post by T And T Garage on 06/12/19 at 17:49:01 14370A292B30373E590 wrote:
I'd rather not explain because it won't make a difference. But suffice it to say, democratic socialists don't want to end capitalism. We don't want to take away anything from anyone. We want fair burden. We want the top 1% to pay their fair share. In fact, we want more money to go to the middle class in the form of earnings. Like I said in a previous post - AOC (nor any democrat socialist) never took a vow of poverty. Seriously, if you need any more of an explanation than that, you need to educate yourself in it. However, I don't think you're at all sincere in wanting an explanation. I think it's more of an attention craving than anything else. I kind of feel sorry for you. |
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Title: Re: That didn't take long..... Post by MnSpring on 06/12/19 at 19:26:50 233D32333E233825570 wrote:
I see, so these quotes directly from the, Democratic socialist site, don't really mean anything ? "...But we do not want big corporate bureaucracies to control our society either..." "...Social ownership could take many forms, such as worker-owned cooperatives or publicly owned enterprises managed by workers and consumer representatives...." "...many consumer-goods industries might be best run as cooperatives...." "...Democratic socialists always opposed the ruling party-states of those societies, just as we oppose the ruling classes of capitalist societies..." "...In the short term we can’t eliminate private corporations, but we can bring them under greater democratic control..." "...Although a long-term goal of socialism is to eliminate all but the most enjoyable kinds of labor, we recognize that unappealing jobs will long remain. These tasks would be spread among as many people as possible rather than distributed on the basis of class, race, ethnicity, or gender, as they are under capitalism..." "...For now, the burden should be placed on the employer to make work desirable by raising wages, offering benefits and improving the work environment..." "...we must fight for a world order that is not controlled by bankers..." (WHO then is to be in control of this new World Order ?) "...For now, we will continue to support progressives who have a real chance at winning elections, which usually means left-wing Democrats...." "...Although capitalism will be with us for a long time, reforms we win now—...—can bring us closer to socialism..." "...What can young people do to move the US towards socialism?..." "...we call ourselves socialists to remind everyone that we have a vision of a better world..." Just a tiny amount of, 'info', directly from the 'democratic socialists' site. So, in a conclusion. their are Democrats, which can be classed as conservative or liberal, on different subjects. Then their are, 'democratic socialists', who are the 1 - 10%, to the far LEFT. Like AOC who wants a pay raise, for a job that is already far to high for what is done in that job. YET she, 'supposedly', believes in: "...Democratic socialists believe that both the economy and society should be run democratically—to meet public needs, not to make profits for a few..." So glad tt you, self identify, as a democratic socialist. It helps to understand why you have such a deep TDS attitude. |
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Title: Re: That didn't take long..... Post by T And T Garage on 06/12/19 at 19:47:14 64477A595B40474E290 wrote:
I see, so these quotes directly from the, Democratic socialist site, don't really mean anything ? "...But we do not want big corporate bureaucracies to control our society either..." No, we don't. Do you? "...Social ownership could take many forms, such as worker-owned cooperatives or publicly owned enterprises managed by workers and consumer representatives...." I hate to break it to you mn, co-ops already exist. "...many consumer-goods industries might be best run as cooperatives...." Yeah, they might be... so? "...Democratic socialists always opposed the ruling party-states of those societies, just as we oppose the ruling classes of capitalist societies..." So?... "...In the short term we can’t eliminate private corporations, but we can bring them under greater democratic control..." Yes, I think we should. Maybe make some rules about offshoring... even up the tax structure. "...Although a long-term goal of socialism is to eliminate all but the most enjoyable kinds of labor, we recognize that unappealing jobs will long remain. These tasks would be spread among as many people as possible rather than distributed on the basis of class, race, ethnicity, or gender, as they are under capitalism..." "...And this undesirable work should be among the best, not the least, rewarded work within the economy. For now, the burden should be placed on the employer to make work desirable by raising wages, offering benefits and improving the work environment..." "...we must fight for a world order that is not controlled by bankers..." (WHO then is to be in control of this new World Order ?) Well, it won't be the bankers.... "...For now, we will continue to support progressives who have a real chance at winning elections, which usually means left-wing Democrats...." True. What, should they support republicans???? "...Although capitalism will be with us for a long time, reforms we win now—raising the minimum wage, securing a national health plan, and demanding passage of right-to-strike legislation—can bring us closer to socialism..." FIFY "...What can young people do to move the US towards socialism?..." "...we call ourselves socialists to remind everyone that we have a vision of a better world..." Yep.. .so? Just a tiny amount of, 'info', directly from the 'democratic socialists' site. So, in a conclusion. their are Democrats, which can be classed as conservative or liberal, on different subjects. Maybe you are getting it... Then their are, 'democratic socialists', who are the 1 - 10%, to the far LEFT. Like AOC who wants a pay raise, for a job that is already far to high for what is done in that job. YET she, 'supposedly', believes in: "...Democratic socialists believe that both the economy and society should be run democratically—to meet public needs, not to make profits for a few..." Yes. True. So glad tt you, self identify, as a democratic socialist. It helps to understand why you have such a deep TDS attitude. I'm proud to be called a democratic socialist. It's far better than being called a trump supporter! ;D [/quote] |
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