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Message started by Serowbot on 06/03/19 at 10:23:47

Title: Is birtherism racist?...
Post by Serowbot on 06/03/19 at 10:23:47

Kushner has a "deer in the headlights" moment...  :o
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFLiABRCqtY?start=30[/media]

Title: Re: Is birtherism racist?...
Post by WebsterMark on 06/03/19 at 10:30:28

Are Pro-Choice proponents racist?

Title: Re: Is birtherism racist?...
Post by T And T Garage on 06/03/19 at 10:33:37

Yes - birthers are racist.

Title: Re: Is birtherism racist?...
Post by T And T Garage on 06/03/19 at 10:34:23


447671606776615E726178130 wrote:
Are Pro-Choice proponents racist?


No.  Being pro choice has nothing to do with race.  It's about a woman's right to choose.

Title: Re: Is birtherism racist?...
Post by Serowbot on 06/03/19 at 10:42:22

62% of blacks are pro-choice...
So,.. no...

Deflect much?...
Jared can't defend his father-in law...
Trump's birtherism is racist.  Jared can't deny it.

Title: Re: Is birtherism racist?...
Post by pg on 06/03/19 at 10:49:30

OK, why is it rayciss?

Best regards,

Title: Re: Is birtherism racist?...
Post by Serowbot on 06/03/19 at 10:52:02

Ask Jared why he's squirming... ;D

Title: Re: Is birtherism racist?...
Post by Eegore on 06/03/19 at 11:23:12


"Are Pro-Choice proponents racist?"

 Some are.  Some are not.

 Clinical abortion as a whole does not focus on the race of the fetus.

Title: Re: Is birtherism racist?...
Post by T And T Garage on 06/03/19 at 11:47:48


4C5B5D515E4E3C0 wrote:
OK, why is it rayciss?

Best regards,



Well, I'm not sure about "rayciss", but if you're a birther, you're racist.

The entire birther movement was based on Obama's skin color first, then his name.

You never saw scrutiny like that of ted cruz or John McCain.  McCain was born on a military base in the Panama Canal zone and cruz was born in Canada.

Funny how that works, huh?

Title: Re: Is birtherism racist?...
Post by Serowbot on 06/03/19 at 12:10:05

..and the birtherism continued for years after Obama's birth certificate was public,... and the local paper showed his birth announcement,... and the hospital verified that he was delivered there.
Trump still wouldn't let it go.

He did the same with the Central Park 5,.. even after they were proven innocent.

That's racist.  
Just asking questions may not be,... but refusing to let it go while looking the facts in the face, is...

Title: Re: Is birtherism racist?...
Post by T And T Garage on 06/03/19 at 12:10:57


5640574A52474A51250 wrote:
..and the birtherism continued for years after Obama's birth certificate was public,... and the local paper showed his birth announcement,... and the hospital verified that he was delivered there.
Trump still wouldn't let it go.

He did the same with the Central Park 5,.. even after they were proven innocent.

That's racist.  
Just asking questions may not be,... but refusing to let it go while looking the facts in the face, is...


Well put.  Right you are.

Title: Re: Is birtherism racist?...
Post by pg on 06/03/19 at 13:13:44

More BS identity politics,  that is all the left peddles from under the shade tree.   A very significant difference exists between Barry, Ted, and John.  The latter two had birth certificates and Barry did not.   The precedent had already been set with Barry Goldwater and George Romney.

How it all got started, I do not know.  It also doesn’t help that Barry’s brother said he was a fraud a posted a Kenyan birth certificate on Twitter.  In October 2008, an NPR article referred to "Kenyan-born” Sen. Barack Obama as well.

Best regards,

Title: Re: Is birtherism racist?...
Post by WebsterMark on 06/03/19 at 13:16:23


2F392E332B3E33285C0 wrote:
62% of blacks are pro-choice...
So,.. no...

Deflect much?...
Jared can't defend his father-in law...
Trump's birtherism is racist.  Jared can't deny it.


Sorry, but did you count the blacks killed in the womb?.....

White nationalist gotta love Planned Parenthood ....

Title: Re: Is birtherism racist?...
Post by WebsterMark on 06/03/19 at 13:19:20

He did the same with the Central Park 5,.. even after they were proven innocent.

They were hardy proven innocent. That's like saying OJ was innocent.  

Title: Re: Is birtherism racist?...
Post by T And T Garage on 06/03/19 at 13:26:41


2A3D3B3738285A0 wrote:
More BS identity politics,  that is all the left peddles from under the shade tree.   A very significant difference exists between Barry, Ted, and John.  The latter two had birth certificates and Barry did not.   The precedent had already been set with Barry Goldwater and George Romney.

So you still believe that Obama wasn't born in the US, is that right?  Even though he provided his birth certificate?

How it all got started, I do not know.  It also doesn’t help that Barry’s brother said he was a fraud a posted a Kenyan birth certificate on Twitter.  In October 2008, an NPR article referred to "Kenyan-born” Sen. Barack Obama as well.

Then if he was born in Kenya - where's the proof of that?  An article?  An estranged brother?

Hey, maybe alex jones knows!   ;D ;D

Best regards,


Title: Re: Is birtherism racist?...
Post by Serowbot on 06/03/19 at 14:06:42

Jared won't stoop so low as to defend birtherism,... unlike some here.

What does he know that you don't?...



Title: Re: Is birtherism racist?...
Post by pg on 06/03/19 at 15:18:59


405E51505D405B46340 wrote:
[quote author=2A3D3B3738285A0 link=1559582627/0#11 date=1559592824]More BS identity politics,  that is all the left peddles from under the shade tree.   A very significant difference exists between Barry, Ted, and John.  The latter two had birth certificates and Barry did not.   The precedent had already been set with Barry Goldwater and George Romney.

So you still believe that Obama wasn't born in the US, is that right?  Even though he provided his birth certificate?

How it all got started, I do not know.  It also doesn’t help that Barry’s brother said he was a fraud a posted a Kenyan birth certificate on Twitter.  In October 2008, an NPR article referred to "Kenyan-born” Sen. Barack Obama as well.

Then if he was born in Kenya - where's the proof of that?  An article?  An estranged brother?

Hey, maybe alex jones knows!   ;D ;D

Best regards,

[/quote]


I did not say he wasn't born in the US, I also did not say he was born in Kenya.  I provided a compelling argument that differentiated the citizenship concerns between Barry, Ted, and John.

However, I am stating he did not provide the birth certificate for a reason.  I believe he is hiding something particularly ugly in his past.  I don't know what it is, and I not going to speculate.  A reasonable person would have cleared the air in a timely manner.

Best regards,

Title: Re: Is birtherism racist?...
Post by pg on 06/03/19 at 15:21:49


4650475A42575A41350 wrote:
Jared won't stoop so low as to defend birtherism,... unlike some here.

What does he know that you don't?...



Enough of the virtue-signaling, loose the argument and proceed to ridcule.....    And that is coming from a Russian Truther.....


Best regards,

Title: Re: Is birtherism racist?...
Post by Serowbot on 06/03/19 at 15:50:19


4A5D5B5758483A0 wrote:
Enough of the virtue-signaling, loose the argument and proceed to ridcule.....    And that is coming from a Russian Truther.....


Best regards,


I have no idea what you just said...
Is it a riddle?... :-?



Title: Re: Is birtherism racist?...
Post by LostArtist on 06/03/19 at 16:23:07


467473626574635C70637A110 wrote:
He did the same with the Central Park 5,.. even after they were proven innocent.

They were hardy proven innocent. That's like saying OJ was innocent.  






no, they were actually exonerated, unlike Trump who just thinks he is...

"In 2002, District Attorney Robert Morgenthau withdrew all charges against the Central Park Five, and their convictions were vacated."

https://abcnews.go.com/US/back-1989-central-park-jogger-rape-case-led/story?id=63084663


"The reputations of the “Central Park Five” were restored when, in June of 2002, a convicted murderer and serial rapist named Matias Reyes — who was then serving a life sentence — admitted it was he who’d attacked Meili. His DNA was subsequently matched to genetic material recovered from the scene. After their convictions were formally vacated, the five Central Park men filed a civil suit against the city, which settled in 2014 for a reported $41 million."

https://people.com/crime/the-central-park-five-where-they-are-now/?slide=7078750#7078750

Title: Re: Is birtherism racist?...
Post by WebsterMark on 06/03/19 at 16:39:19

So Mueller says there was no collusion yet you say ....?

There's about a million times more evidence they were guilty than Trump but whatever.....

Title: Re: Is birtherism racist?...
Post by T And T Garage on 06/03/19 at 16:56:24


392E28242B3B490 wrote:
[quote author=405E51505D405B46340 link=1559582627/0#14 date=1559593601][quote author=2A3D3B3738285A0 link=1559582627/0#11 date=1559592824]More BS identity politics,  that is all the left peddles from under the shade tree.   A very significant difference exists between Barry, Ted, and John.  The latter two had birth certificates and Barry did not.   The precedent had already been set with Barry Goldwater and George Romney.

So you still believe that Obama wasn't born in the US, is that right?  Even though he provided his birth certificate?

How it all got started, I do not know.  It also doesn’t help that Barry’s brother said he was a fraud a posted a Kenyan birth certificate on Twitter.  In October 2008, an NPR article referred to "Kenyan-born” Sen. Barack Obama as well.

Then if he was born in Kenya - where's the proof of that?  An article?  An estranged brother?

Hey, maybe alex jones knows!   ;D ;D

Best regards,

[/quote]


I did not say he wasn't born in the US, I also did not say he was born in Kenya.  I provided a compelling argument that differentiated the citizenship concerns between Barry, Ted, and John.

However, I am stating he did not provide the birth certificate for a reason.  I believe he is hiding something particularly ugly in his past.  I don't know what it is, and I not going to speculate.  A reasonable person would have cleared the air in a timely manner.

The only problem with your statement is that he did provide a birth certificate.  So....

And keep it real pro golfer, you know the only reason he was questioned was the color of his skin and his name.

Best regards,
[/quote]

Title: Re: Is birtherism racist?...
Post by pg on 06/03/19 at 17:18:00


455B545558455E43310 wrote:
you know the only reason he was questioned was the color of his skin and his name.




Sounds like an opinion to me, can you substantiate that statement?

Best regards,

Title: Re: Is birtherism racist?...
Post by T And T Garage on 06/04/19 at 06:42:17


3720262A2535470 wrote:
[quote author=455B545558455E43310 link=1559582627/15#21 date=1559606184]



you know the only reason he was questioned was the color of his skin and his name.




Sounds like an opinion to me, can you substantiate that statement?

Best regards,
[/quote]

No, it's not an opinion - there's no need to substantiate.  Just like there's no reason to substantiate that summer on the Equator is hot.

Title: Re: Is birtherism racist?...
Post by Serowbot on 06/04/19 at 08:44:35


370502131405122D01120B600 wrote:
So Mueller says there was no collusion yet you say ....?

There's about a million times more evidence they were guilty than Trump but whatever.....

Correction... Barr says Mueller says no collusion.  Mueller says nothing of the sort.

Title: Re: Is birtherism racist?...
Post by WebsterMark on 06/04/19 at 08:50:41

No, that's exactly what Mueller said.

Title: Re: Is birtherism racist?...
Post by WebsterMark on 06/04/19 at 08:55:13

"Although the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”

Title: Re: Is birtherism racist?...
Post by T And T Garage on 06/04/19 at 09:22:25


437176676071665975667F140 wrote:
No, that's exactly what Mueller said.


No collusion, but plenty of obstruction.

Title: Re: Is birtherism racist?...
Post by pg on 06/04/19 at 09:53:29


756B646568756E73010 wrote:
[quote author=3720262A2535470 link=1559582627/15#22 date=1559607480][quote author=455B545558455E43310 link=1559582627/15#21 date=1559606184]



you know the only reason he was questioned was the color of his skin and his name.




Sounds like an opinion to me, can you substantiate that statement?

Best regards,
[/quote]

No, it's not an opinion - there's no need to substantiate. [/quote]

You must be having an off day when you start using the argument "because I said so."   ;D

Best regards,

Title: Re: Is birtherism racist?...
Post by T And T Garage on 06/04/19 at 10:06:27


3D2A2C202F3F4D0 wrote:
[quote author=756B646568756E73010 link=1559582627/15#23 date=1559655737][quote author=3720262A2535470 link=1559582627/15#22 date=1559607480][quote author=455B545558455E43310 link=1559582627/15#21 date=1559606184]



you know the only reason he was questioned was the color of his skin and his name.




Sounds like an opinion to me, can you substantiate that statement?

Best regards,
[/quote]

No, it's not an opinion - there's no need to substantiate. [/quote]

You must be having an off day when you start using the argument "because I said so."   ;D

Best regards,
[/quote]

Not at all.  There simply isn't a need to substantiate.

In the history of presidential candidates or seated presidents, can you name me one single instance where there was a such a movement to obtain that person's birth certificate?

The answer is no.  And why?  Because it was racially motivated - due to the color of his skin and his name.

You can deny that all you want, but then you can also deny that water isn't wet.

Title: Re: Is birtherism racist?...
Post by pg on 06/04/19 at 11:18:29

And if it was a white guy from Iowa all would have been acceptable.  Your position is it solely about race and had nothing other contributing factors...

Best regards,

Title: Re: Is birtherism racist?...
Post by T And T Garage on 06/04/19 at 11:23:41


4255535F5040320 wrote:
And if it was a white guy from Iowa all would have been acceptable.  Your position is it solely about race and had nothing other contributing factors...

Best regards,


LOL - that's my point - it's never been done to a "white guy from Iowa".

What other contributing factors were there besides his race and name?

Title: Re: Is birtherism racist?...
Post by pg on 06/04/19 at 11:36:07

No one withheld the birth certificate as long as he did either, 3 + years if I remember correctly.  He could of cleared that up in a timely manner.  

Other factors, they don't agree with his politics, people don't agree with collectivism, he was just to far to left for the a significant portion of the country.

Best regards,



Title: Re: Is birtherism racist?...
Post by Serowbot on 06/04/19 at 11:49:57

Should Trump Be Impeached? Latest Poll Shows Most Voters Want Obama Back As President
https://www.ibtimes.com/should-trump-be-impeached-latest-poll-shows-most-voters-want-obama-back-president-2489862

If Obama had run for a third term, he would have beat Trump.

Title: Re: Is birtherism racist?...
Post by T And T Garage on 06/04/19 at 12:06:13


4F585E525D4D3F0 wrote:
No one withheld the birth certificate as long as he did either, 3 + years if I remember correctly.  He could of cleared that up in a timely manner.  

He didn't want to pander to racists... I still wish he wouldn't have.

Other factors, they don't agree with his politics, people don't agree with collectivism, he was just to far to left for the a significant portion of the country.

Yet he won the popular and the electoral vote for 2 terms.  I think your logic is flawed.

Oh, but the "they" you speak of are the racist birthers.  So at least on that, you're correct.

Best regards,


Title: Re: Is birtherism racist?...
Post by pg on 06/04/19 at 12:21:58


5F414E4F425F44592B0 wrote:
[quote author=4F585E525D4D3F0 link=1559582627/30#32 date=1559673367]No one withheld the birth certificate as long as he did either, 3 + years if I remember correctly.  He could of cleared that up in a timely manner.  

He didn't want to pander to racists... I still wish he wouldn't have.

Other factors, they don't agree with his politics, people don't agree with collectivism, he was just to far to left for the a significant portion of the country.

Yet he won the popular and the electoral vote for 2 terms.  I think your logic is flawed.

Oh, but the "they" you speak of are the racist birthers.  So at least on that, you're correct.

Best regards,

[/quote]

What does the popular vote have to do with anything?  A significant porion of the country did not support his agenda, and that is why Trump got elected.

Best regards,

Title: Re: Is birtherism racist?...
Post by T And T Garage on 06/04/19 at 12:45:55


7B6C6A6669790B0 wrote:
[quote author=5F414E4F425F44592B0 link=1559582627/30#34 date=1559675173][quote author=4F585E525D4D3F0 link=1559582627/30#32 date=1559673367]No one withheld the birth certificate as long as he did either, 3 + years if I remember correctly.  He could of cleared that up in a timely manner.  

He didn't want to pander to racists... I still wish he wouldn't have.

Other factors, they don't agree with his politics, people don't agree with collectivism, he was just to far to left for the a significant portion of the country.

Yet he won the popular and the electoral vote for 2 terms.  I think your logic is flawed.

Oh, but the "they" you speak of are the racist birthers.  So at least on that, you're correct.

Best regards,

[/quote]

What does the popular vote have to do with anything?  A significant porion of the country did not support his agenda, and that is why Trump got elected.

Best regards,
[/quote]

Huh?  The last time I checked, hillary ran against trump, not Obama....

Obama's "agenda" was indeed popular.  Hillary's was not.  She ran a terrible campaign.

But there's a reason Obama won 2 terms.  There's also 2 reasons so many birthers hated that.  Skin color and name.

Title: Re: Is birtherism racist?...
Post by LostArtist on 06/04/19 at 16:45:25


526067767160774864776E050 wrote:
So Mueller says there was no collusion yet you say ....?

There's about a million times more evidence they were guilty than Trump but whatever.....


no, there's not. There's VIDEO TAPE of Trump asking Russia for help, then there's the USA's intelligence agencies that say Russia helped Trump...  Why Mueller didn't see that an indictable offense.... idk

Title: Re: Is birtherism racist?...
Post by LostArtist on 06/04/19 at 16:49:32


4E595F535C4C3E0 wrote:
No one withheld the birth certificate as long as he did either, 3 + years if I remember correctly.  He could of cleared that up in a timely manner.  

Other factors, they don't agree with his politics, people don't agree with collectivism, he was just to far to left for the a significant portion of the country.

Best regards,



what collectivism???

and if you don't believe in collectivism...  get out, you don't want to be part of society, leave, you don't want to be your brother's keeper, leave

cause we live in  a representative democracy, where the majority of society matters

Title: Re: Is birtherism racist?...
Post by pg on 06/04/19 at 18:02:49


183B27201526203D2720540 wrote:


what collectivism???

and if you don't believe in collectivism...  get out, you don't want to be part of society, leave, you don't want to be your brother's keeper, leave

cause we live in  a representative democracy, where the majority of society matters[/quote]


LOL, I should get out because I don't believe in collectivism.  No I am not my brothers keeper and I prefer signing the front of checks as opposed to the back of them.

Best regards,  

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