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Message started by eau de sauvage on 06/01/19 at 19:56:46

Title: McConnell changes his Supreme Court position
Post by eau de sauvage on 06/01/19 at 19:56:46

Some may remember that the current descent into the court packing began when McConnell point blank refused to consider any SC nomination made by Obama because it's an election year.

He's just said that if there is a vacancy in 2020 he will make sure that any Trump nominee is confirmed.

Suckers.

Title: Re: McConnell changes his Supreme Court position
Post by WebsterMark on 06/01/19 at 20:54:36

Good for Mitch. Elections have consequences.

Title: Re: McConnell changes his Supreme Court position
Post by T And T Garage on 06/03/19 at 05:54:49


714344555243546B47544D260 wrote:
Good for Mitch. Elections have consequences.



So does hypocrisy.

When the dems control Congress... well... let's hope there's some comeuppance.

Title: Re: McConnell changes his Supreme Court position
Post by oldNslow on 06/04/19 at 19:19:25


Quote:
He's just said that if there is a vacancy in 2020 he will make sure that any Trump nominee is confirmed.


Breaking News:

Lefties get their panties in a wad when someone on the right decides to play by THEIR rules?
;D

Title: Re: McConnell changes his Supreme Court position
Post by T And T Garage on 06/05/19 at 06:52:13


645A5B57455958360 wrote:

Quote:
He's just said that if there is a vacancy in 2020 he will make sure that any Trump nominee is confirmed.


Breaking News:

Lefties get their panties in a wad when someone on the right decides to play by THEIR rules?
;D


What are "their rules"?  When Scalia passed away, Obama still had 9 months left in office and mcconnell blocked any nomination.

Are you saying that was some sort of "lefty move"?

Title: Re: McConnell changes his Supreme Court position
Post by pg on 06/05/19 at 07:02:06

McConnell didn't block the nomination out of some protocol.  He wanted to stack the court, plain and simple.  It worked wonderfully.

Best regards,

Title: Re: McConnell changes his Supreme Court position
Post by T And T Garage on 06/05/19 at 09:14:38


485F59555A4A380 wrote:
McConnell didn't block the nomination out of some protocol.  He wanted to stack the court, plain and simple.  It worked wonderfully.

Best regards,


Well, at least you admit the hypocrisy.  You've got no defense now.

So then when the dems take over Congress in 2020, you can understand why they'll do the same thing, right? (that's if a republican ever gets elected into the presidency again...) .  ;D

SMH

Title: Re: McConnell changes his Supreme Court position
Post by oldNslow on 06/05/19 at 13:50:36


Quote:
What are "their rules"?  When Scalia passed away, Obama still had 9 months left in office and mcconnell blocked any nomination.


Yup. Blocked Garlands confirmation vote base on the "Biden Rule".

"...a 1992 speech by then-senator Joe Biden, which argued that President Bush should wait until after the election to appoint a replacement if a Supreme Court seat became vacant during the summer or should appoint a moderate acceptable to the then-Democratic Senate."

Used a lefties own words to justify his position then. Lefties didn't like it.

So.
(Putting words in Old McTurtles mouth)

"OK, you guys didn't like your own senator's, then vice president, and now Presidential nominee hopefuls rule when I invoked it then. No problem. We will ignore it this time."

Lefties don't like that either.

[i]"Senator, we are all part of the same hypocrisy.."
                                                                                             
                                                                                    - Michael Corleone  




Title: Re: McConnell changes his Supreme Court position
Post by verslagen1 on 06/05/19 at 14:00:42

TT, looks like you have no defense.   ;D

Title: Re: McConnell changes his Supreme Court position
Post by WebsterMark on 06/05/19 at 14:05:42

"Senator, we are all part of the same hypocrisy.."
                                                                                           
                                                                 - Michael Corleone  

.....but never think it applies to my family."

Regardless; it's payback for the shameful lies they used to try and destroy Kavanaugh.

Title: Re: McConnell changes his Supreme Court position
Post by T And T Garage on 06/05/19 at 14:07:45


645A5B57455958360 wrote:

Quote:
What are "their rules"?  When Scalia passed away, Obama still had 9 months left in office and mcconnell blocked any nomination.


Yup. Blocked Garlands confirmation vote base on the "Biden Rule".

LOL - "Biden Rule"?  Well old, it's not a rule... and since when did the GOP start listening to Biden?   ;D There was a whole backstory as to why he made those remarks - and yes, they were short-sighted and wrong.  Oh, and the fact that there was never any confirmation held up because of that pretty much says it all.

"...a 1992 speech by then-senator Joe Biden, which argued that President Bush should wait until after the election to appoint a replacement if a Supreme Court seat became vacant during the summer or should appoint a moderate acceptable to the then-Democratic Senate."

Used a lefties own words to justify his position then. Lefties didn't like it.

So.
(Putting words in Old McTurtles mouth)

"OK, you guys didn't like your own senator's, then vice president, and now Presidential nominee hopefuls rule when I invoked it then. No problem. We will ignore it this time."

Lefties don't like that either.

[i]"Senator, we are all part of the same hypocrisy.."
                                                                                             
                                                                                    - Michael Corleone  


Nah - I'd have to go with the GOP owning a lion's share of the hypocrisy today.

But hey - now that you all have actually set the precedent - no crying when a Democratic Congress holds up a nomination from a republican president (if a republican ever gets back into the white house that is...)

Title: Re: McConnell changes his Supreme Court position
Post by T And T Garage on 06/05/19 at 14:09:08


2E3D2A2B34393F3D3669580 wrote:
TT, looks like you have no defense.   ;D


Well vers - there's really nothing to defend.

Since there is no "rule".  It was a request from Biden.

But how convenient that the GOP followed that "rule", huh?


Title: Re: McConnell changes his Supreme Court position
Post by verslagen1 on 06/05/19 at 14:35:43

But you'll defend it with your dying breath regardless.

Title: Re: McConnell changes his Supreme Court position
Post by T And T Garage on 06/05/19 at 14:42:48


160512130C0107050E51600 wrote:
But you'll defend it with your dying breath regardless.


Well vers - the precedent has been set by the GOP so it would be stupid not to follow the same path.

But like I said, that's only if a republican becomes president again with a democratic Congress.  And, since Congress and the presidency is likely to swing blue in 2020, I don't see that scenario in the near future.

Title: Re: McConnell changes his Supreme Court position
Post by verslagen1 on 06/05/19 at 14:58:26


564847464B564D50220 wrote:
[quote author=2E3D2A2B34393F3D3669580 link=1559444206/0#8 date=1559768442]TT, looks like you have no defense.   ;D


Well vers - there's really nothing to defend.

Since there is no "rule".  It was a request from Biden.

But how convenient that the GOP followed that "rule", huh?

[/quote]
Regardless of how you twist it, Biden set the rule.

Title: Re: McConnell changes his Supreme Court position
Post by T And T Garage on 06/05/19 at 15:10:56


776473726D6066646F30010 wrote:
[quote author=564847464B564D50220 link=1559444206/0#11 date=1559768948][quote author=2E3D2A2B34393F3D3669580 link=1559444206/0#8 date=1559768442]TT, looks like you have no defense.   ;D


Well vers - there's really nothing to defend.

Since there is no "rule".  It was a request from Biden.

But how convenient that the GOP followed that "rule", huh?

[/quote]
Regardless of how you twist it, Biden set the rule.[/quote]

LOL - again, there is no "rule".  It was Biden addressing Congress.  Any idea what else he said during that address?  If so, why are those things "rules"?

Too easy vers - the GOP was just looking for an out and they had to go all the way back to 1992 to find one - and it's a sh!tty one at that.

Nice try, but the precedent is set.

Title: Re: McConnell changes his Supreme Court position
Post by oldNslow on 06/05/19 at 15:28:07


Quote:
no crying when a Democratic Congress holds up a nomination from a republican president


There have been plenty nominees from Republican Presidents held up by Democratic senates. And also the opposite. That's just politics.

As far as a "rule" goes. The rules that the Senate operates under are whatever "rules" the members of the senate at any given time agree are the "rules".

That's why they spend so much time and energy arguing about,procedure and precedent, and "just wait and see what we're gonna do to your a*s, when we have the votes, if you guys dare do THAT!"
Whatever "THAT" happens to be.


Quote:
Nah - I'd have to go with the GOP owning a lion's share of the hypocrisy today.


Likely a correct assessment..There is an ample supply of hypocrisy on both sides of the aisle in that particular den of thieves, however. And tomorrow is another day.



Title: Re: McConnell changes his Supreme Court position
Post by verslagen1 on 06/05/19 at 15:46:02


524C43424F524954260 wrote:
[quote author=776473726D6066646F30010 link=1559444206/0#14 date=1559771906][quote author=564847464B564D50220 link=1559444206/0#11 date=1559768948][quote author=2E3D2A2B34393F3D3669580 link=1559444206/0#8 date=1559768442]TT, looks like you have no defense.   ;D


Well vers - there's really nothing to defend.

Since there is no "rule".  It was a request from Biden.

But how convenient that the GOP followed that "rule", huh?

[/quote]
Regardless of how you twist it, Biden set the rule.[/quote]

LOL - again, there is no "rule".  It was Biden addressing Congress.  Any idea what else he said during that address?  If so, why are those things "rules"?

Too easy vers - the GOP was just looking for an out and they had to go all the way back to 1992 to find one - and it's a sh!tty one at that.

Nice try, but the precedent is set.
[/quote]

Why are you squirming so much?  Sure, there's no written "rule" if you please, but there's precedence and you've set it.

Go ahead, squirm some more.

Title: Re: McConnell changes his Supreme Court position
Post by Serowbot on 06/05/19 at 16:16:53

So, if Biden set the precedent in 1992,... and it was followed with Obama,... why isn't it the same with Trump?...

He is the least popular President in modern history and won with a minority.
I see no mandate there.

Title: Re: McConnell changes his Supreme Court position
Post by T And T Garage on 06/06/19 at 05:52:30


697A6D6C737E787A712E1F0 wrote:
[quote author=524C43424F524954260 link=1559444206/15#15 date=1559772656][quote author=776473726D6066646F30010 link=1559444206/0#14 date=1559771906][quote author=564847464B564D50220 link=1559444206/0#11 date=1559768948][quote author=2E3D2A2B34393F3D3669580 link=1559444206/0#8 date=1559768442]TT, looks like you have no defense.   ;D


Well vers - there's really nothing to defend.

Since there is no "rule".  It was a request from Biden.

But how convenient that the GOP followed that "rule", huh?

[/quote]
Regardless of how you twist it, Biden set the rule.[/quote]

LOL - again, there is no "rule".  It was Biden addressing Congress.  Any idea what else he said during that address?  If so, why are those things "rules"?

Too easy vers - the GOP was just looking for an out and they had to go all the way back to 1992 to find one - and it's a sh!tty one at that.

Nice try, but the precedent is set.
[/quote]

Why are you squirming so much?  Sure, there's no written "rule" if you please, but there's precedence and you've set it.

Go ahead, squirm some more.[/quote]

Thanks vers, but there's no squirming here.  Like I said, there's nothing to defend, nor need to squirm.

But it is fun to see the GOP grab onto a speech from Biden from 1992 to justify their blockage.

Title: Re: McConnell changes his Supreme Court position
Post by WebsterMark on 06/06/19 at 06:45:02


2533243921343922560 wrote:
So, if Biden set the precedent in 1992,... and it was followed with Obama,... why isn't it the same with Trump?...

He is the popular President in modern history and won with a minority.
I see no mandate there.


Knowing you, I assume you meant to say the "most unpopular"...

But I would dispute the no mandate point. Look at any election map by county and see the vast stretches of red with blue points in-between. That means something.

Trump supporters endure verbal abuse, threats, intimidation, property damage and real violence based on their chosen candidate yet they still support a man who under any other circumstance they wouldn't give two cents about. Why? Because they loathe you that much. That's how un-American your leftist views are. The idea that so many believe the phrase that Donald Trump is not the hero we deserve but the hero we need should give you pause.

The fact huge areas of the nation puts up with all that abuse just to meteorically flip you the bird is in fact a mandate.

Title: Re: McConnell changes his Supreme Court position
Post by verslagen1 on 06/06/19 at 06:58:50


3F212E2F223F24394B0 wrote:
[quote author=697A6D6C737E787A712E1F0 link=1559444206/15#17 date=1559774762][quote author=524C43424F524954260 link=1559444206/15#15 date=1559772656][quote author=776473726D6066646F30010 link=1559444206/0#14 date=1559771906][quote author=564847464B564D50220 link=1559444206/0#11 date=1559768948][quote author=2E3D2A2B34393F3D3669580 link=1559444206/0#8 date=1559768442]TT, looks like you have no defense.   ;D


Well vers - there's really nothing to defend.

Since there is no "rule".  It was a request from Biden.

But how convenient that the GOP followed that "rule", huh?

[/quote]
Regardless of how you twist it, Biden set the rule.[/quote]

LOL - again, there is no "rule".  It was Biden addressing Congress.  Any idea what else he said during that address?  If so, why are those things "rules"?

Too easy vers - the GOP was just looking for an out and they had to go all the way back to 1992 to find one - and it's a sh!tty one at that.

Nice try, but the precedent is set.
[/quote]

Why are you squirming so much?  Sure, there's no written "rule" if you please, but there's precedence and you've set it.

Go ahead, squirm some more.[/quote]

Thanks vers, but there's no squirming here.  Like I said, there's nothing to defend, nor need to squirm.

But it is fun to see the GOP grab onto a speech from Biden from 1992 to justify their blockage.
[/quote]

There you go again, squirming, defending... LOL.

Title: Re: McConnell changes his Supreme Court position
Post by T And T Garage on 06/06/19 at 07:34:41


5C4F5859464B4D4F441B2A0 wrote:
There you go again, squirming, defending... LOL.



Ok vers, if you say so.  Whatever makes you feel better about yourself.

Title: Re: McConnell changes his Supreme Court position
Post by WebsterMark on 06/06/19 at 07:42:44

There you go again, squirming, defending... LOL.

Anytime you see blue print, you can count on squirming, defending!

Title: Re: McConnell changes his Supreme Court position
Post by T And T Garage on 06/06/19 at 07:44:31


4D7F78696E7F68577B68711A0 wrote:
There you go again, squirming, defending... LOL.

Anytime you see blue print, you can count on squirming, defending!



Yep mark, you're wrong again (is that 4 in a row now?).  But keep trying!   ;D

Title: Re: McConnell changes his Supreme Court position
Post by verslagen1 on 06/06/19 at 07:44:36

You know octopus can squeeze thru the tininess of holes to get off the deck, whereas fish just flop around.

Title: Re: McConnell changes his Supreme Court position
Post by T And T Garage on 06/06/19 at 07:47:26


776473726D6066646F30010 wrote:
You know octopus can squeeze thru the tininess of holes to get off the deck, whereas fish just flop around.



*sniff*....*sob*...(teary eyed)...  whaaaaa... vers and mark are picking on me Sero!   Make them stop...... Whaaaaaa...




Oh wait, I forgot.  I'm not a crybaby.


Whew, thank god!

C'mon fellas, give me all ya got. (then you can complain about how I make things personal...lol)

;D

Title: Re: McConnell changes his Supreme Court position
Post by verslagen1 on 06/06/19 at 07:53:39

Still on the deck... flopping... flopping... poor fishy.

Title: Re: McConnell changes his Supreme Court position
Post by T And T Garage on 06/06/19 at 08:00:13


3B283F3E212C2A28237C4D0 wrote:
Still on the deck... flopping... flopping... poor fishy.



Gee vers - you're really putting me in my place!

Title: Re: McConnell changes his Supreme Court position
Post by Serowbot on 06/06/19 at 09:20:03


596B6C7D7A6B7C436F7C650E0 wrote:
[quote author=2533243921343922560 link=1559444206/15#18 date=1559776613]

He is the least popular President in modern history and won with a minority.
I see no mandate there.


Knowing you, I assume you meant to say the "most unpopular"...
Yes, thanks... I have corrected it
But I would dispute the no mandate point. Look at any election map by county and see the vast stretches of red with blue points in-between. That means something.
It means Trump won places where no one lives.
Corporations aren't people,.. and neither is dirt.


The fact huge areas of the nation puts up with all that abuse just to meteorically flip you the bird is in fact a mandate.
I'll assume you meant "metaphorically"  8-)
I do believe Trump is a metaphoric bird-flip.
...and that's very sad. ...and very petty.
Governance is more important than that.

[/quote]

Title: Re: McConnell changes his Supreme Court position
Post by WebsterMark on 06/06/19 at 09:42:08

The fact huge areas of the nation puts up with all that abuse just to meteorically flip you the bird is in fact a mandate.
I'll assume you meant "metaphorically"  Cool
I do believe Trump is a metaphoric bird-flip.
...and that's very sad. ...and very petty.
Governance is more important than that.

Yes, metaphorically. Although, perhaps accurate to say they metaphorically flip you the bird meteorically.
Yea, it's sad your side forced Trump as the only possible solution. What was our choice; Jeb Bush??? On this anniversary of D-Day; it's worth nothing the Democratic Party is pushing for some policies every man fighting would have found abhorrent. Have you listened to what Warren, Sanders are saying?

Title: Re: McConnell changes his Supreme Court position
Post by T And T Garage on 06/06/19 at 12:08:13


7C4E49585F4E59664A59402B0 wrote:
The fact huge areas of the nation puts up with all that abuse just to meteorically flip you the bird is in fact a mandate.
I'll assume you meant "metaphorically"  Cool
I do believe Trump is a metaphoric bird-flip.
...and that's very sad. ...and very petty.
Governance is more important than that.

Yes, metaphorically. Although, perhaps accurate to say they metaphorically flip you the bird meteorically.
Yea, it's sad your side forced Trump as the only possible solution. What was our choice; Jeb Bush??? On this anniversary of D-Day; it's worth nothing the Democratic Party is pushing for some policies every man fighting would have found abhorrent. Have you listened to what Warren, Sanders are saying?



Wait, wait, wait...."it's sad your side forced Trump as the only possible solution".
;D ;D ;D

You're going to blame trump on the dems????  Seriously?

Wow, now that's funny!!


As to what the soldiers fought for in WWII, they certainly didn't fight for the right to have corporations buying elections, or vets living in the street.  They didn't fight for stagnant wages and $3000 hammers.  They didn't fight for the 1% to get rich off tax breaks.

They fought and died for our democracy, not today's oligarchy.

I have seen all the Warren and Sanders and Biden are saying.  And most of it I like.  In fact, most of it, the entire country likes.

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