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Title: This is why.... Post by pg on 05/04/19 at 11:53:10 Because someone repeatedly asks, how can anyone support this person? https://www.whitehouse.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/ Best regards, |
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Title: Re: This is why.... Post by Eegore on 05/04/19 at 20:21:03 It's pretty obvious some of that is incorrect. Just the median household income doesn't add up if you do the math. Working more hours and more days is not the same as increased wages. Also it is very clearly calculated different. https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2018/09/highest-median-household-income-on-record.html Why are the Department of Labor unemployment numbers suddenly acceptable now? Shadowstats would clearly disagree with all of those claims. Women in the workforce claim is either misworded or intentionally misleading. Anyone that can do basic math could see that the 11-month gain is the lowest since 2012. In general the numbers are below the norm, and as far as I can tell intentionally leaving out overall working population growth. I'm not going to go through one by one on these but they sound good if you only want to look at the direct statement and not the overall information surrounding the claim. To be fair this holds true for pretty much any short-claims posted by any Presidential press conference. |
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Title: Re: This is why.... Post by pg on 05/05/19 at 06:16:24 4767656D7067020 wrote:
I did not say every bullet point was accurate. I stated this is why people support Trump, a significant portion of the population supports this platform. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: This is why.... Post by MnSpring on 05/05/19 at 12:51:31 18383A322F385D0 wrote:
I believe that would be a very LARGE 'SOME'. |
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Title: Re: This is why.... Post by raydawg on 05/05/19 at 13:47:10 One other consideration is in a upbeat economy overtime is more readily available to many employees willing to take advantage of it, raising the household income numbers. |
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Title: Re: This is why.... Post by pg on 05/05/19 at 16:39:04 Did anyone look through that list? Some good things did occur. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: This is why.... Post by Eegore on 05/06/19 at 12:19:32 I looked through the entire list with a team of 37 people. There are good things and things that never happened as they are stated, but that's just politics. |
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Title: Re: This is why.... Post by MnSpring on 05/06/19 at 16:06:57 022220283522470 wrote:
Of the team of 37 people, What % had Left or Right political leanings ? What % were those leanings ? What % drive a MC ? A Car, a Truck, Bicycle, walk. What percent of each ? What % voted in the last local election ? What was their skin color. Their religion. Their commitment to that religion. What was their Tax bracket/station/wages ? Etc.etc.etc.etc. Ya don’t have to answer eegore. Just that, that post, sounded SO, tt. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: This is why.... Post by T And T Garage on 05/07/19 at 13:19:51 3D2A2C202F3F4D0 wrote:
Obama: "Hold my beer.."' Nobel Peace Prizes: Obama 1; Trump 0 White supremacist riot deaths: Obama 0; Trump 1 Days playing golf: Obama 60; Trump 154 Number of people fired or quit administration: Obama 2; Trump 42 Times laughed at on world stage: Obama 0; Trump 2 Number of times he called someone’s mother a “pregnant dog”: Obama 0; Trump 1 Paid-off prostitutes: Obama 0; Trump 2 (and counting) Number of times accused of being a Muslim Jihadist from Kenya: Obama 1,039,001; Trump: 0 Number of times Justice Department opened an investigation to ascertain if the president was a foreign operative: Obama 0; Donald Trump: 1,928 Number of campaign officials indicted by the FBI: Obama 0; Trump 6 Number of times visited by Kanye West: Obama 0; Trump 1 ;D |
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Title: Re: This is why.... Post by pg on 05/07/19 at 18:09:02 Let's see some citations.... Best regards, |
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Title: Re: This is why.... Post by oldNslow on 05/07/19 at 18:57:09 I'll add to TTs's list Number of times screwed a porn star Obama 0 Trump 1(that we know about) Affair with Playboy Playmate Obama 0 Trump 1 (that we know about) Sleeps with a supermodel Obama 0 Trump, pretty much every night Good enough for me :D Can't help admiring those accomplishments. Barry aint even in the same league. |
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Title: Re: This is why.... Post by T And T Garage on 05/08/19 at 06:03:14 4E70717D6F73721C0 wrote:
Wow old... those are great aspirations for a college frat boy... not so sure about a president of the United States. How sad. |
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Title: Re: This is why.... Post by oldNslow on 05/08/19 at 07:45:49 495758595449524F3D0 wrote:
Wow old... those are great aspirations for a college frat boy... not so sure about a president of the United States. How sad.[/quote] Not sad at all. Why would we not want the POTUS to be an Alpha with a normal level of testosterone, rather than one of that collection of misfit losers that are competing for the democratic nomination right now? Or a soyboy like Obama?. |
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Title: Re: This is why.... Post by T And T Garage on 05/08/19 at 11:27:53 4A7475796B7776180 wrote:
Wow old... those are great aspirations for a college frat boy... not so sure about a president of the United States. How sad.[/quote] Not sad at all. Why would we not want the POTUS to be an Alpha with a normal level of testosterone, rather than one of that collection of misfit losers that are competing for the democratic nomination right now? Or a soyboy like Obama?. [/quote] LOL - yeah old, that's your idea of being an "alpha male"? The simple fact that you can't see how pathetic that is tells me everything I need to know. You think dikc size has anything to do with running a country? Who are you, LBJ?? ;D ;D ;D The 1940's called - they want their way of thinking back. |
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Title: Re: This is why.... Post by oldNslow on 05/08/19 at 19:37:58 Quote:
That's a legitimate question. Why not answer it instead of just tossing out a few insults. Quote:
Reflect on what this country did in the 1940s compared to what it is doing right now. Today is the anniversary of VE Day by the way. Think that happened without Alpha males and testosterone? Nobody thought that had anything to do with d*ck size. p.s. According to Stormy Donald's aint all that big anyway. |
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Title: Re: This is why.... Post by T And T Garage on 05/09/19 at 06:05:37 4A7475796B7776180 wrote:
Reflect on what this country did in the 1940s compared to what it is doing right now. Today is the anniversary of VE Day by the way. Think that happened without Alpha males and testosterone? Nobody thought that had anything to do with d*ck size. Again, you confuse devotion to your country and bravery with being an alpha male. My wife's grandfather was at Normandy (not on the actual D-Day), and would tell stories to my wife's mom about what he did and how he lost buddies on D-Day. He always said he was scared, but did his job anyway. That's bravery, not machismo. p.s. According to Stormy Donald's aint all that big anyway. [/quote] |
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Title: Re: This is why.... Post by MnSpring on 05/09/19 at 11:17:02 435D52535E435845370 wrote:
'ACT all tough', UNTIL, they are confronted, then they melt like little Snowflakes. What do you think they are missing ??????? |
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Title: Re: This is why.... Post by T And T Garage on 05/09/19 at 14:59:20 01221F3C3E25222B4C0 wrote:
'ACT all tough', UNTIL, they are confronted, then they melt like little Snowflakes. What do you think they are missing ??????? [/quote] You really don't get it, do you? You and old think that all one has to do is act tough and aggressive to be an "alpha male". That's all it is - an act. Real men don't need to prove themselves. Like Obama, they're confident, intelligent, humble, well spoken and patient. Pretty much the anti-trump. Why do you think trump sleeps around? Because he's a frat boy at heart - nothing more. Listen to his "pu$$y-grabbing" audio with billy bush... He's a child, not a man. He has zero respect for anyone. Yeah, maybe someday you'll get it (but I doubt it). |
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Title: Re: This is why.... Post by oldNslow on 05/09/19 at 15:35:25 Quote:
My father, and my father in law, both served in WW2, in combat, in the Pacific. I did my own stint in the military. I'm pretty well acquainted with what it means to be an Alpha male, although I don't necessarily claim that label for myself. I'll let those who know me be the judges of that. It's not an act, and you can't fake it. It's not about "acting tough and aggressive" it's about being tough and aggressive when it's time to be. Trump, as big an as*hole as he is in a lot of ways, is definitely an Alpha with a capital A. Obama is not even close. Everything about him is phony, His Ivy league "education" simply gives him the veneer of erudition and respectability. He learned how to act as a member of Club Elite. Trump never joined that club. So you don't like Trumps style, you approve of Obama's. You are confusing style with substance. I believe that you are the one who doesn't "get it" |
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Title: Re: This is why.... Post by T And T Garage on 05/09/19 at 16:44:20 407E7F73617D7C120 wrote:
Funny - that's exactly what I'd say to you. :D |
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Title: Re: This is why.... Post by MnSpring on 05/10/19 at 08:43:58 667877767B667D60120 wrote:
YEP, just like the, letting a cop, become a cop in Mpls. Just look at where Obama came from. ... No real money, little opportunity. But he became president. Because he was, GIVEN it, not because he earned it. |
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Title: Re: This is why.... Post by WebsterMark on 05/10/19 at 10:26:04 Compare him to Obama. How many times did Obama say "I'm going to do such and such". (rarely if ever) Obama constantly talked about "We" and "Us". He actually governed. He taught Constitutional law. He was an editor of a law review and an accomplished Harvard graduate. He's articulate, smart and athletic. He'a a devout Christian and family man. He's humble and he's kind. As president, our status on the world stage was heightened. Got a tingle up your leg?.... I support Trump but he doesn't give me a woody like Hopey-Change does to you. Geez....get a room you two. |
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Title: Re: This is why.... Post by WebsterMark on 05/10/19 at 10:33:15 Just look at where Obama came from. ... No real money, little opportunity. But he became president. Hopey grew up in upper middle class, he had plenty of opportunity. And face it, a white Obama is no-one you would have ever heard of. Fair or not fair, that's a fact. He got elected to the Senate because dirt on his opponent's divorce mysteriously got released and he dropped out of the race. He was an average President at best. And the Harvard Law and Constitutional scholar stuff doesn't mean much when you consider his position was to force every citizen to buy a product whether they wanted it or not. If they didn't, this Constitutional scholar's solution was to confiscate their property and eventually take away their freedom. |
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Title: Re: This is why.... Post by Eegore on 05/10/19 at 11:05:47 If they didn't, this Constitutional scholar's solution was to confiscate their property and eventually take away their freedom. This is very incorrect. There is no threat of incarceration or confiscation of property involved in the ACA. The IRS can not take your property for failing to have health insurance, or paying the tax penalty. The IRS can not incarcerate you for failing to have health insurance or paying the tax penalty. The IRS can not garnish wages, at a maximum they can withhold from your tax return if you get one. Directly from the IRS: "such taxpayer shall not be subject to any criminal prosecution or penalty with respect to such failure" |
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Title: Re: This is why.... Post by MnSpring on 05/10/19 at 11:27:23 1131333B2631540 wrote:
Their was NO Fine, for not having H.I. ? And NO, 'threat' of paying a Fine ? And NO, 'threat', of confiscation of property ? So the Money you make, is not yours ?. "the mandate is still in effect for the 2018 coverage year. This means most individuals, including their children and anyone else they claim as a dependent on their federal taxes must have had health coverage for 2018, qualify for an exemption, or pay a tax penalty when filing their federal tax return in 2019." "The Affordable Care Act mandates that person who can afford a health plan but chooses not to purchase one must pay a penalty known as the individual shared responsibility payment. You will owe the fee for any month that you and your dependents are without minimum essential coverage mandated by the ACA " "that decision may come at a cost, beginning with the 2014 tax year. Eligible taxpayers who remain without insurance may be required to pay penalties," "The tax bill doesn't eliminate the penalty until 2019. That means that those who forgo health insurance for 2018 could still face a penalty. The penalty for not having health insurance this year is $695 per adult or 2.5 percent of household income, whichever is greater." "For plan years through 2018, if you can afford health insurance but choose not to buy it, you may pay a fee called the individual Shared Responsibility Payment when you file your federal taxes. (The fee is sometimes called the "penalty," "fine," or "individual mandate." "If someone chose not to buy insurance, he or she may be responsible for a fee called the “individual shared responsibility payment.” This penalty is payable when filing a federal tax return and is based on the number of months during the calendar year that the individual did not have minimum essential coverage." Just a little something for the current POTUS, Haters. "The federal tax penalty for not being enrolled in health insurance will be eliminated in 2019 because of recent changes made by the Trump Administration. " |
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Title: Re: This is why.... Post by Eegore on 05/10/19 at 12:50:40 Their was NO Fine, for not having H.I. ? Nobody said that. You did. And NO, 'threat' of paying a Fine ? Nobody said that. You did. And NO, 'threat', of confiscation of property ? No. None. So the Money you make, is not yours ?. Nobody said that. You did. None of the quotes you posted allow for confiscation of property or incarceration. |
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Title: Re: This is why.... Post by T And T Garage on 05/10/19 at 13:01:25 487A7D6C6B7A6D527E6D741F0 wrote:
Does it bother you that much seeing a real world comparison between Obama and trump? Anyone and everyone can see how much more a man Obama is than trump. You think I'm gay because I admire a man? I see you're about as childish as trump is. You're looking more foolish by the day. Nicely done. |
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Title: Re: This is why.... Post by MnSpring on 05/10/19 at 13:08:57 0727252D3027420 wrote:
I believe that is totally wrong. Because, money you make, is your property. And if you didn't 'buy' HC, you, (if not exempted) had your Property (Money) Confiscated. In the form of a, 'fine/tax'. And do you really believe, the IRS, does NOT, Lean, real property/wages, or charge interest, (at a rate far, Far greater than any bank) And, TAKE, money, which again is YOURS, out of your return ? (Wasn't their something about a undue TAX on a product the Colonist's used ?) |
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Title: Re: This is why.... Post by WebsterMark on 05/10/19 at 13:30:20 Does it bother you that much seeing a real world comparison between Obama and trump? Anyone and everyone can see how much more a man Obama is trump. Who said anything about manhood other than you? Daddy issues? |
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Title: Re: This is why.... Post by T And T Garage on 05/10/19 at 13:35:16 5A686F7E79687F406C7F660D0 wrote:
Nice spin mark - again, well done! "Upper middle class"? No, 'fraid not. Between his moving and living with relatives, his parents (and step parents) were "school poor". But again, that narrative doesn't fit your viewpoint. Oh well... The facts are this - when you compare Obama to trump, there just isn't any comparison. Obama is a devout Christian, a family man, a Harvard Graduate and a Constitutional scholar. trump is a silver-spooned, rich brat - who never served his country. He got daddy's money and nearly lost it all. He screws hookers and hosted a reality tv show. No comparison. |
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Title: Re: This is why.... Post by Eegore on 05/10/19 at 13:36:32 Lets re-word it then: "None of the quotes you posted allow for confiscation of any property beyond currency of USD specific to a voluntarily filed US tax return, or incarceration due to non-payment or acquisition of health insurance. I laid it out very specifically that they can only take money from your tax return. If you consider that money to be confiscation of property then that's fine. And do you really believe, the IRS, does NOT, Lean, real property/wages, or charge interest, (at a rate far, Far greater than any bank) And, TAKE, money, which again is YOURS, out of your return ? Nobody said that, you did. They, if you have a return, take that as a fine. A fine is not undue tax by definition. Lets put it this way, all the talk that the IRS will take your house and jail you because you didn't have health insurance is incorrect. |
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Title: Re: This is why.... Post by T And T Garage on 05/10/19 at 13:41:41 4B797E6F68796E517D6E771C0 wrote:
No, I think I'm pretty confident in my manhood, thanks. I can just see what it really means to be a man. trump isn't one of them. My father, my brother, my son, my best friend, my father-in-law - hell, even oldNslow are all great examples of what it means to be a man. None of them shirked responsibility. None of them got "bone spurs" to get out of serving their country. |
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Title: Re: This is why.... Post by MnSpring on 05/10/19 at 14:18:43 79595B534E593C0 wrote:
That, IS, your money, and not returning some of it, Is confiscation of that part. Money is your property. My experience with the IRS, concerning peoples property, and clearing their Titles, is what I speak of. Lets put it this way, all the talk that the IRS will take your house and jail you because you didn't have health insurance is incorrect. Who said that ? Not me. |
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Title: Re: This is why.... Post by Eegore on 05/10/19 at 14:23:49 Lets put it this way, all the talk that the IRS will take your house and jail you because you didn't have health insurance is incorrect. "Who said that ? Not me." I said that. As a statement, not a question. |
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Title: Re: This is why.... Post by MnSpring on 05/10/19 at 16:08:45 5C7C7E766B7C190 wrote:
Yes they can, and have ! take your house and jail you because you didn't have health insurance ... No, they didn't, (Just fined you, and confiscation money from you), and now, no longer will, or can. Because of Trump. If it was H.R.C. Don't know. What a lot of you do not know. The IRS, BATFE, and your States Department of natural resources/fish & game. If you violate one of their rules, you are GUILTY, until you Prove your Innocence. If you stood in the street and shot someone, and their were 100 eye witnesses. You would be, Innocent, until proven guilty. |
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Title: Re: This is why.... Post by pg on 05/10/19 at 16:20:29 7A646B6A677A617C0E0 wrote:
A devout Christian would not go to Rev Wright's church or smoke dope. How many times did he call his wife Michael? He may have lectured the constitution; however, he had no respect for it. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: This is why.... Post by Eegore on 05/10/19 at 16:35:11 "No, they didn't, (Just fined you, and confiscation money from you), and now, no longer will, or can. Because of Trump" That wasn't the debate. We all know the IRS can confiscate a physical home, and place one into custody. The issue I brought up is people stating the IRS will take your house and jail you for not having insurance. That's a false statement that people keep repeating. Very specifically due to not having health insurance not for any other reason. Exclusively health insurance and only in its entirety health insurance. Only health insurance. |
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Title: Re: This is why.... Post by T And T Garage on 05/10/19 at 18:21:27 2730363A3525570 wrote:
A devout Christian would not go to Rev Wright's church or smoke dope. Really? He smoked pot in school. Are you saying he still smokes pot? Further, are you saying that pot smoking automatically sends you to hell? As to wright - Obama denounced him publicly. Not good enough for you? How many times did he call his wife Michael? I don't know - how many? And what are you implying? He may have lectured the constitution; however, he had no respect for it. Says you - you're entitled to your opinion. But no matter - Obama was a far better president than trump could ever hope to be. Hell, trump can barely spell the word Constitution. Best regards, [/quote] |
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Title: Re: This is why.... Post by oldNslow on 05/10/19 at 19:15:43 Quote:
Assuming that all that's true, it's a good thing for him that he ran in 2008. A sterling guy like that wouldn't even be considered for the nomination in 2019s whackadoodle democratic party. |
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Title: Re: This is why.... Post by pg on 05/11/19 at 03:54:42 776966676A776C71030 wrote:
A devout Christian would not go to Rev Wright's church or smoke dope. Really? He smoked pot in school. Are you saying he still smokes pot? Further, are you saying that pot smoking automatically sends you to hell? As to wright - Obama denounced him publicly. Not good enough for you? Nope How many times did he call his wife Michael? I don't know - how many? And what are you implying? Only a feeble minded imbecile can't get his wife's name correct. He may have lectured the constitution; however, he had no respect for it. Says you - you're entitled to your opinion. But no matter - Obama was a far better president than trump could ever hope to be. Hell, trump can barely spell the word Constitution. Best regards, [/quote] [/quote] |
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Title: Re: This is why.... Post by WebsterMark on 05/11/19 at 04:56:51 3E202F2E233E25384A0 wrote:
No, I think I'm pretty confident in my manhood, thanks. I can just see what it really means to be a man. trump isn't one of them. My father, my brother, my son, my best friend, my father-in-law - hell, even oldNslow are all great examples of what it means to be a man. None of them shirked responsibility. None of them got "bone spurs" to get out of serving their country. [/quote] I could just as easily say a real man stands up for unborn children getting turned into hamburger. A real man demands personal responsibility, not socialist handouts like Mrs Sanders is planning on. Blah, blah, blah.... its a silly game. All I know is I've never described a politician the way you dreamily fawned over Hopey-Change a few post ago. |
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Title: Re: This is why.... Post by WebsterMark on 05/11/19 at 05:11:57 1A3A38302D3A5F0 wrote:
I believe the IRS amended rules that says its a felony to not answer a required question on your tax return. So if you did not answer the obama healthcare question, you could be charged with a felony and you could most certainly face jail time if a politically motivated prosecutor wanted to make a case out of you. is that correct or not? i honestly don't know but seems i heard that somewhere. |
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Title: Re: This is why.... Post by MnSpring on 05/11/19 at 07:26:02 152720313627300F233029420 wrote:
” the IRS said in a statement issued to Reuters on Wednesday. “In addition, returns filed on paper that do not address the health coverage requirements may be suspended pending the receipt of additional information and any refunds may be delayed.” The IRS started sending out letters in September to 130,000 taxpayers who did not address the healthcare requirement in 2014 and/or 2015, it says. People without coverage, who do not qualify for an exemption, are subject to a penalty based on 2.5 percent of income or $695 per adult, whichever is higher. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-money-tax-healthcare-idUSKBN1CG2TO |
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Title: Re: This is why.... Post by oldNslow on 05/11/19 at 07:39:33 Quote:
A huge portion of federal penal law seems to me that it was written for that exact purpose. Especially laws pertaining to the alphabet agencies - irs, fbi, cia, epa etc. Fu*king with people they don't like has become SOP. "Show me the man and I'll find you the crime." The head of Stalin's secret police said that years ago. Lot of inside-the-beltway reptiles are unfortunately of the same mind. |
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Title: Re: This is why.... Post by Eegore on 05/11/19 at 08:01:15 " believe the IRS amended rules that says its a felony to not answer a required question on your tax return. So if you did not answer the obama healthcare question, you could be charged with a felony and you could most certainly face jail time if a politically motivated prosecutor wanted to make a case out of you." You can not be charged with a felony for not having health insurance, or for not answering the question on a return, this has never been a thing. The only penalty is monetary. There is no legal way to penalize in any other form. No house leans, no jail time. Only monetary fines. This is specific to health insurance not other IRS related matters. Health insurance only and exclusively. Only health insurance. |
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Title: Re: This is why.... Post by WebsterMark on 05/11/19 at 08:09:09 If you don't answer the question, they won't accept the return. I think it's a bit more complicated than just saying you will not face repercussions over the Obamacare tax. A zealous prosecutor can do what he wants. A good rule of thumb to apply if you think you own something that is taxed, don't pay the taxes and find out who really owns it. And yes, when the government confiscates your money, they are confiscating your property. Regardless, it may be a moot point soon. For the 2018 filing season, the IRS[ch8206] will not accept electronically filed tax returns where the taxpayer does not address the health coverage requirements of the Affordable Care Act.[ch8206] The IRS will not accept the electronic tax return until the taxpayer indicates whether they had coverage, had an exemption or will make a shared responsibility payment. In addition, returns filed on paper that do not address the health coverage requirements may be suspended pending the receipt of additional information and any refunds may be delayed. |
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Title: Re: This is why.... Post by MnSpring on 05/11/19 at 08:25:02 Took a long time to get to, your money, is, your property. All in defense of a past POTUS who, Forced everyone to buy something, then, penalized them, if they did not. Isn't their another name for that ? Does it start with a 'S' ? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: This is why.... Post by Eegore on 05/11/19 at 09:08:30 "A zealous prosecutor can do what he wants" So are you saying you think that even if the law very specifically says you are to be fined they will charge you with a felony? I think that's an overreach just to make the ACA requirements seem more dire than they are. You can not be prosecuted for a felony, which is a crime, for not reporting health insurance in your tax filing. Given I have worked in this field for decades I can assure you, no part of failing to have health insurance will get you jail time. People just want to propagate those rumors to make the ACA and Obama look worse. This post is about health insurance. Only tax requirements for health insurance and no other tax requirement. Specifically and only health insurance. |
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Title: Re: This is why.... Post by WebsterMark on 05/11/19 at 10:31:41 Okay. If that's your field and you're positive your position is correct, I'll yield to your expertise and not repeat that and will correct if I hear that repeated. |
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Title: Re: This is why.... Post by Eegore on 05/11/19 at 10:53:09 I cant say I am positive my position is correct regarding the potential for future prosecutors to somehow turn a tax return withholding into a felony, but I can say there is zero precedence for it. This is specifically for fines regarding health insurance and only heath insurance. Not other IRS fines. Only health insurance. |
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