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Title: No more schooling debt...HOORAY BERNIE! Post by raydawg on 04/30/19 at 07:29:57 Think about it, just brilliant I tell ya. Who would spend 4, 8, 12 plus years of the young vibrant life to go to school when all our needs will be taken care of regardless. Think about it you guys......its a winner! College shrivel up and die. We can do whatever we want, fish everyday, ride, eat till fat, drink and drug....because its my body, and no one can tell me what to do with it....PERIOD, its my right. GO BERNIE GO....!!!! |
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Title: Re: No more schooling debt...HOORAY BERNIE! Post by T And T Garage on 04/30/19 at 08:09:37 53405845405646210 wrote:
Moronic post ray because that's just not how it works. Seriously, fox news loves guys like you. Nice job! |
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Title: Re: No more schooling debt...HOORAY BERNIE! Post by raydawg on 04/30/19 at 08:21:00 Is that you Rachel? :-* :-* :-* |
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Title: Re: No more schooling debt...HOORAY BERNIE! Post by T And T Garage on 04/30/19 at 08:28:09 584B534E4B5D4D2A0 wrote:
No, it's me - reality. You may want to actually read Bernie's platform before you ridicule it. Otherwise, you look foolish. |
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Title: Re: No more schooling debt...HOORAY BERNIE! Post by raydawg on 04/30/19 at 08:39:14 2E303F3E332E35285A0 wrote:
No, it's me - reality. You may want to actually read Bernie's platform before you ridicule it. Otherwise, you look foolish.[/quote] Oh,but I am trying to look foolish..... By emulating your reasoning ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :-* |
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Title: Re: No more schooling debt...HOORAY BERNIE! Post by Eegore on 04/30/19 at 09:41:27 I don't see the connection. How does eliminating college debt also eliminate college? |
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Title: Re: No more schooling debt...HOORAY BERNIE! Post by WebsterMark on 04/30/19 at 10:36:31 The bigger picture is the discussion about allowing the federal government to intercede in private contracts between two consenting parties completely to the benefit of one party. Remember, a loan is a contract to repay money borrow. What Bernie, Pocahontas and the others are saying is the government can simply cancel a contract. That should be an extremely rare occurrence and should have precedent. The Feds have stepped in and made financial institutions alter home loans for example when there was evidence of fraud. But other than the fact all universities accept tuition from students they know have a snowball's chance in hell of getting value from the 'education' they provide, there's no evidence of fraud. It's simply the case that the perception that you need a college education to succeed has 'forced' many families and kids to go into debt with no corresponding job opportunities afterwards. That's tragic, but I don't see how that's my responsibility to pay for it. That's the socialist mindset of the modern Democratic Party. I call this plan 'Tuition Reparations'. |
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Title: Re: No more schooling debt...HOORAY BERNIE! Post by T And T Garage on 04/30/19 at 10:57:21 7E6D75686D7B6B0C0 wrote:
No, it's me - reality. You may want to actually read Bernie's platform before you ridicule it. Otherwise, you look foolish.[/quote] Oh,but I am trying to look foolish..... By emulating your reasoning ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :-* [/quote] So, you haven't read anything on Bernie's platform. Understood. |
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Title: Re: No more schooling debt...HOORAY BERNIE! Post by T And T Garage on 04/30/19 at 11:01:54 To clarify for the lazy/uninformed: Bernie Sanders' official take is this - All public colleges and universities should be tuition free. Have a look here: http://feelthebern.org/bernie-sanders-on-education/#college-tuition Or don't, and stay ignorant and make fake claims. |
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Title: Re: No more schooling debt...HOORAY BERNIE! Post by T And T Garage on 04/30/19 at 11:05:42 More education here about Sanders' views. Don't be ignorant. http://www.studentdebtrelief.us/student-loans/bernie-sanders-student-loans/ |
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Title: Re: No more schooling debt...HOORAY BERNIE! Post by MnSpring on 04/30/19 at 11:11:39 Just LOVE it !!!!!!!!!!! I can, (If Bernie has his way) Go to School, for FREE, and get my Degree in Underwater Basket Weaving, After I get that, next a degree in Parapsychology. Then, UFO Oligy, Surfing Studies, Queer Musicology, Star Trek, Golf Management, Science of Harry Potter, Learning from YouTube, Liberal Arts, Ethical Hacking, Cannabis Cultivation, Bowling Industry Management, Simpsons and Philosophy, David Beckham Studies, Bagpiping, Clownology, Personal Hygiene, Puppetry, how to survive the impending zombie apocalypse, Mail Order Brides, Whiteness of Barbie, Science of Superheroes (Isn’t that what tt has a degree in), Elvish (Lord of the Rings), Getting Dressed, Strategy of StarCraft, The Art of Walking, Tree Climbing, South Park, Game of Thrones. Those are ALL REAL. And that is just a tiny fraction of the DFI, ‘Degrees’, that one can get. Bernie says FREE ! So I am gonna get some. |
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Title: Re: No more schooling debt...HOORAY BERNIE! Post by T And T Garage on 04/30/19 at 11:18:24 01221F3C3E25222B4C0 wrote:
Go have a look, mn, and see if those courses are listed in PUBLIC COLLEGES. Because, you see - that's what Sanders' plan lays out. I think you should first take basic comprehension, spelling and English classes. ;D |
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Title: Re: No more schooling debt...HOORAY BERNIE! Post by pg on 04/30/19 at 16:04:34 Please show me where in the Constitution it states the government pays for college education..... How about health care, how about housing............ Best regards, |
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Title: Re: No more schooling debt...HOORAY BERNIE! Post by Eegore on 04/30/19 at 19:36:40 Show me in the Constitution where women have the right to vote. Oh wait, it was added, 19 Amendments later. Too bad we can't continue to amend the Constitution. |
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Title: Re: No more schooling debt...HOORAY BERNIE! Post by raydawg on 04/30/19 at 19:53:01 5E7E7C74697E1B0 wrote:
What comes to mind for me is, "The right to privacy" No way did the founders imagine the abilities the computer would be able to circumvent its basic premise. It goes beyond commerce, way past that point, and who knows where else. How will we insure that right without abridging other rights, etc? We need to be able to add/adjust our governing policies as many different new factors are realized, while some might very well be obsolete. |
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Title: Re: No more schooling debt...HOORAY BERNIE! Post by T And T Garage on 05/01/19 at 05:46:30 6770767A7565170 wrote:
No where... gee you really got me pro golfer..... :D Oh, but it also doesn't lay out how we form a military (other than a navy), a space program, an interstate highway system, foreign aid, etc.... So, nice try. But no.... |
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Title: Re: No more schooling debt...HOORAY BERNIE! Post by T And T Garage on 05/01/19 at 05:47:03 4E6E6C64796E0B0 wrote:
(mic drop) |
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Title: Re: No more schooling debt...HOORAY BERNIE! Post by pg on 05/01/19 at 06:25:33 T And T Garage wrote on 04/23/19 at 06:15:43: Those on the left must follow the Constitution - no exceptions. Touché Best regards, |
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Title: Re: No more schooling debt...HOORAY BERNIE! Post by Eegore on 05/01/19 at 07:26:58 "What comes to mind for me is, "The right to privacy" No way did the founders imagine the abilities the computer would be able to circumvent its basic premise. It goes beyond commerce, way past that point, and who knows where else. How will we insure that right without abridging other rights, etc?" Well my point towards the argument "Show me in the Constitution" is generally a weak argument since the Constitution changes all the time. If it were a stable unchangeable document then the argument would hold more ground, but this is about suggested due-process reform regarding college debt. When women's voting was brought into question the argument "Show me in the Constitution" held no ground because the process was to amend it to reflect the rights of women. This goes for all Amendments. As for the modern digital environment and privacy rights, the same principle applies. We need to push for modern amendments and laws due to modernization. |
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Title: Re: No more schooling debt...HOORAY BERNIE! Post by verslagen1 on 05/01/19 at 11:20:02 There are state supported colleges and universities, they're not free but much more economical then private c's and u's. Coupled with grants and scholarships, they are free. |
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Title: Re: No more schooling debt...HOORAY BERNIE! Post by Trippah on 05/01/19 at 13:27:32 Bill of Rights: Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. Can't pursue it if you can't afford the education for primo jobs and income. :) |
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Title: Re: No more schooling debt...HOORAY BERNIE! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/01/19 at 18:35:46 5A7C677E7E6F660E0 wrote:
/ Really? Which one? And you can Pursue Anything. Might not catch it,, |
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Title: Re: No more schooling debt...HOORAY BERNIE! Post by pg on 05/01/19 at 18:39:30 496F746D6D7C751D0 wrote:
Not my problem..... Best regards, |
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Title: Re: No more schooling debt...HOORAY BERNIE! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/01/19 at 20:19:48 I don't think it's in the Bill of Rights. |
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Title: Re: No more schooling debt...HOORAY BERNIE! Post by Trippah on 05/01/19 at 20:25:47 So right, it is in the Declaration of Independence actually. ;D |
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Title: Re: No more schooling debt...HOORAY BERNIE! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/01/19 at 20:41:22 And? How does that impact your point? Suddenly, it's Not in the Constitution... Now what? |
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Title: Re: No more schooling debt...HOORAY BERNIE! Post by Trippah on 05/02/19 at 07:58:10 It doesn't; but for some this indeed shifts it from a Constitutional Law question to an issue about what the USA is about - opportunity and freedom. |
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Title: Re: No more schooling debt...HOORAY BERNIE! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/02/19 at 08:17:27 It decimated your argument. You were pointing to the Constitution and complaining about a non issue. You're still very confused about what the words mean. It's nobody's duty to create For you Opportunity. It's up to the individual to choose their path through life. We Pursue Life, liberty and happiness. It's our Right to live in a country where the government doesn't crush one and lift up another. |
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Title: Re: No more schooling debt...HOORAY BERNIE! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/02/19 at 09:14:50 Everyone knows the Declaration begins: “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” |
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Title: Re: No more schooling debt...HOORAY BERNIE! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/02/19 at 09:22:58 Our inherent Right to Life Is the basis for the Right of Self Defense. The inherent desire for Liberty is no GUARANTEE of liberty But the Constitution Is written in a way that restrains the government from unlawfully restricting your liberty. It's not a Guarantee that we won't encounter situations that encroach on it. The inherent desire to be happy is acknowledged. We have a Right to PURSUE it. But, again, no GUARANTEE that we will ever be in The exact situation that will make or allow it. And how confusing is it that suddenly you, of all people, are suddenly championing the ideology of Frikken slave owners? Suddenly the Fan Boy? I'm shokkt! |
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Title: Re: No more schooling debt...HOORAY BERNIE! Post by Eegore on 05/02/19 at 09:28:27 So I think theres two components to the education debt problem, specific to government funding. One is related to this: "It's our Right to live in a country where the government doesn't crush one and lift up another." By related I mean shared components, not direct or exact components. Irresponsible Federal funding has placed some people into massive debt cycles, some of it due to poor or rushed training to meet fulfillment deadlines imposed by Congress. This approach has always impacted lower income negatively. The other component is students not reading every part of a loan draft and getting professional assistance with understanding it. I was listening to a broadcast about unfair student loans that seemed to completely ignore statements like "I didn't see the part where..." or "I didn't realize..." That's not the bank's fault if you didn't see or didn't realize, but the irresponsible lending tends to overshadow that. In any case, college could be free, but I am not willing to pay for someone else's education unless its through a scholarship program where appropriate individuals are selected. |
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Title: Re: No more schooling debt...HOORAY BERNIE! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/02/19 at 09:35:59 60465D4444555C340 wrote:
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Title: Re: No more schooling debt...HOORAY BERNIE! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/02/19 at 09:36:31 3A252324393E0F3F0F37252962500 wrote:
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Title: Re: No more schooling debt...HOORAY BERNIE! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/02/19 at 09:37:05 7B646265787F4E7E4E76646823110 wrote:
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Title: Re: No more schooling debt...HOORAY BERNIE! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/02/19 at 09:37:42 594640475A5D6C5C6C54464A01330 wrote:
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Title: Re: No more schooling debt...HOORAY BERNIE! Post by Trippah on 05/02/19 at 09:50:42 jog - I think you need to start at the beginning of the tread, I have no argument in this thread, was just noting that the free schooling issue was about what the country is, be it in the Constitution or Declaration of Independence. And yes, the main thrust of those documents were to delineate the rights of the government as compared to the rights of its citizens. ;D |
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Title: Re: No more schooling debt...HOORAY BERNIE! Post by Eegore on 05/02/19 at 09:51:16 Reposting four posts is unnecessary. |
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Title: Re: No more schooling debt...HOORAY BERNIE! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/02/19 at 09:52:59 It's clear that your bicycle doesn't have coaster brakes. Backpedaling like that would put ya right over the handlebars. |
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Title: Re: No more schooling debt...HOORAY BERNIE! Post by Trippah on 05/02/19 at 09:57:39 We have, apparently, already crossed the education bridge as we have 12 years already in place. You may not agree with that, I don't know. My brief listening to Bernie is to sense he is against the rapacious banks and wants everyone who wants further than high school education would be able to get it without being in debt for many years. (Some would argue that on the job training was provided by the employer in decades past) ::) And on the other side, have you noted all the new online Universities that have sprung up coincidental to veterans education benefits and our constant wars provided by the "endless wars" predicted in 1984. ;) |
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Title: Re: No more schooling debt...HOORAY BERNIE! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/02/19 at 10:42:26 7555575F4255300 wrote:
Normally, I'd agree. But I was responding to Trippah and your reply started a new page. I wanted to know he wouldn't miss what I said. And what I was replying to. I failed to do that during a conversation about global warming where I asked you to list the consequences of inaction that have materialized in the last decades of hysteria. |
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Title: Re: No more schooling debt...HOORAY BERNIE! Post by Trippah on 05/02/19 at 13:00:49 This thread is beginning to look like Medusa's hair. :D One aspect that is "overlooked" is that education debt cannot be forgiven or passed through when in bankruptcy - it sticks like tar to the borrower, so that if the education doesn't provide a gateway to increased successful income increase - tough Shiite. Wonder why that is - any other investment can be written off if the project goes South. Ask the Donald about Bancruptcy e.g. New Jersey gambling venture. :-/ |
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Title: Re: No more schooling debt...HOORAY BERNIE! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/02/19 at 13:56:25 Not knowing if you're being facetious I'll try to help. You don't spose the government doesn't want people to wipe out their debt to the government by putting that debt outside the scope of bankruptcy, do you? Gosh no, they wouldn't do that. |
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Title: Re: No more schooling debt...HOORAY BERNIE! Post by raydawg on 05/02/19 at 16:16:07 Ok.....let me clear this thread and my intent. The irony of free schooling will cut the very heart, out of the very soul, of these elitist and their tenured occupation. They can then stand in Bernie's soup kitchen lines with everyone else ;D ;D ;D While I agree, and I did with Bernie in 2016 calling attention to schools, it needs to be cut back, way back, to the basics, of getting the schooling format down to producing productivity of its programs, be it trade, sciences, etc..... All the other non productive degrees need to be seriously reigned in, ie: like guys don't need gynecology medical coverage in a universal healthcare program. Everyone whines and blames about deficit spending, well, how bouts we spend wisely, first and foremost, and if we have leftovers, then we can spend of more frivolous items/subjects. Lets just call it, responsibility |
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Title: Re: No more schooling debt...HOORAY BERNIE! Post by thumperclone on 05/02/19 at 16:23:22 31223A27223424430 wrote:
so they can go to work for that corrupt group at boeing?? |
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Title: Re: No more schooling debt...HOORAY BERNIE! Post by raydawg on 05/02/19 at 16:37:14 Ya wanna expand on that? |
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Title: Re: No more schooling debt...HOORAY BERNIE! Post by Eegore on 05/02/19 at 17:18:31 I failed to do that during a conversation about global warming where I asked you to list the consequences of inaction that have materialized in the last decades of hysteria. I thought I had responded to that: Nope. Not going to do the work for someone who hasn't been paying attention. NASA has volumes of accurate prediction models. |
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Title: Re: No more schooling debt...HOORAY BERNIE! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/02/19 at 17:36:02 Bullshit Not one of the Dire Consequences Has become reality. I've been challenging the worshippers of the religion of Man Made Global Warming To point to any of the Problems we would encounter that have come to pass. I could GAF about the many accurate models, which is a definition in conflict with itself, because ONLY ONE CAN BE ACCURATE... I have paid attention. I've watched lefties screaming about the myriad problems the world would see if We don't DO SUMMTHINGG.. And yet, Nothing. So, I challenge you to show me one of those terrible problems we've been told about that has actually come to pass. |
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Title: Re: No more schooling debt...HOORAY BERNIE! Post by Eegore on 05/02/19 at 19:35:32 "ONLY ONE CAN BE ACCURATE..." Incorrect. Models can carry a finite timeframe, and be of varying values. Such as a 1 day horizon, 10 year horizon and 100 year horizon, of which they can all be things like ambient atmospheric temperature, barometric change scales, cloud cover etc. Also they can be specific to geographical location. It is possible that one prediction of a 5 year timeframe claiming a rise in temperature in a specific geographical location can be correct while another prediction that median sea-level current speeds will slow as sea level increases. This would be two correct models. I think the problem is you are focusing on the political factors and not the empirical data provided by modern science. It is known that deforestation causes temperature increases, and deforestation is man-made. Many models predicting weather changes due to deforestation are correct, and many are incorrect, all of them scaling for a man made issue. No forest fires are not deforestation, this is specific to tropical canopies unaffected by mass fire destruction and subsequent erosion. People were warned about the effects of deforestation. People were warned about sea current changes effecting fishing channels. People were warned about cloud seeding. People were warned about mass-farmland erosion. |
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Title: Re: No more schooling debt...HOORAY BERNIE! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/02/19 at 19:42:33 is known that deforestation causes temperature increases, and deforestation is man-made. Many models predic And Satellite imagery SHOWS the world is More Green NOW than twenty years ago. So, which horrible consequences have happened? Surely you remember one. Just one Come on |
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Title: Re: No more schooling debt...HOORAY BERNIE! Post by Eegore on 05/02/19 at 19:47:23 "And Satellite imagery SHOWS the world is More Green NOW than twenty years ago. " We already had this discussion when you only read the abstract of the Nature article that very clearly, when read in its entirety, indicated man made damage has affected weather and that more trees is because of massive reforestation initiatives and the increase in plantations in Asia to combat their own deforestation. "The study points out that industrial timber plantations, mature oil palm estates and other specifically planted forests add to global tree cover. On paper these areas compensate for the primary forest that has been cut down; 100-hectare loss of primary forest is perfectly offset by a 100-hectare gain on a man-made plantation, for example." |
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Title: Re: No more schooling debt...HOORAY BERNIE! Post by Eegore on 05/02/19 at 19:52:46 "So, which horrible consequences have happened?" I never said that. You did. I very specifically said: "anyone can pull up inaccurate predictions about a topic. Pick one and if predictions exist, some will be wrong." That's it. Pick a topic and if predictions exist some will be wrong. That is all I was saying. I did however wonder how many Government Martial Law declarations have happened and resulted in the Government taking all of our guns? Or mass executions of US citizens? Surely you remember one. Just one Come on |
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Title: Re: No more schooling debt...HOORAY BERNIE! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/02/19 at 19:55:15 A pointless point? The thing I read said There is more green now, And The increase in the horrible toxin Carbon Dioxide was a contributing factor. |
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Title: Re: No more schooling debt...HOORAY BERNIE! Post by Eegore on 05/02/19 at 20:05:57 "The increase in the horrible toxin Carbon Dioxide was a contributing factor." Of about 17 to 19% when globally averaged. It is a contributing factor, but not a large one and not universally spread worldwide. The issue of rate-of change, distribution and mitigation gain to loss ratios do not say that more CO2 is good for man because it helps grow trees. It is however good for trees, but climate change isn't about long-term tree futures, its about human futures. Man-made reforestation is a 1 to 1 gain. (All of this was in the stuff you have referenced.) Evotranspiration alone is too variable, just taking equatorial tropic zone and the midlatitudes of the US you get totally different CO2 outcomes. I still believe that long-term climate predictions have the same level of accuracy as predictions that there will be US Government agencies kicking in doors and taking our guns. |
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Title: Re: No more schooling debt...HOORAY BERNIE! Post by raydawg on 05/02/19 at 20:36:34 This is why our goverment should never be in the "belief" business, of any kind. You either understand the ramifications as such, or you shall always be in conflict. When a "belief" impacts, impinges, alters the pursuit of happiness, of any individual, and you endorse it as such, then expect to be challenged, like for like, as in, hate vs. hate, anger vs. anger, so on, and so forth..... |
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Title: Re: No more schooling debt...HOORAY BERNIE! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/02/19 at 21:23:26 still believe that long-term climate predictions have the same level of accuracy as predictions that there will be US Government agencies kicking in doors and taking our guns. Back to top Email Personal Message IP Logged They have trouble with a week. And none of the scary things that we were told were coming have happened. Vineyards USED to be found further North than they are now. The Medieval warm period wasn't caused by man. I'm not suggesting that we should crap on the world, but it's not time to get shook up. I'd be shutting down the one use plastic bags and go back to paper. |
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