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Title: Arguably..... Post by WebsterMark on 04/15/19 at 05:07:53 The biggest political week since the 2016 election. The Mueller report gets dumped this week. The spin will be off the charts, that much we know. Leftist will claim Barr redacted or even pulled a Hillary and deleted key sections entirely. Of course that's not true, but it's the spin that will get air time. My prediction of what it will show. No collusion, that's obvious. It was a hoax from the beginning. Obstruction, however, is in the eye of the beholder and it all depends on which side of the fence you're on. Leftist will see collusion conspiracies like a 9/11 truther digging through a pile of building rubble. Every brick over turned will reveal another cleverly concealed piece of evidence that if you string them together in the right order will spell out Trump's guilt. Sort of like using Little Orphan Annie's secret decoder in Christmas Story. I know this will be heartbreaking to leftist but Trump Jr will not be going to jail. There will however be enough evidence to implicate some Democratic operatives. Just how hard Barr will push and how high up (Obama?) the sedition goes might not be uncovered for years, decades. Read up on The Pumpkin Papers for how long a secret like this can be kept. |
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Title: Re: Arguably..... Post by T And T Garage on 04/15/19 at 05:53:33 What an adorable imagination you have mark. It's funny that you think there'll be "spin". Facts are facts. Proof is proof. There is no need for spin. |
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Title: Re: Arguably..... Post by pg on 04/15/19 at 08:05:59 Facts are facts, unless they exonerate Trump...... Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Arguably..... Post by WebsterMark on 04/15/19 at 08:56:33 352B242528352E33410 wrote:
Did you hit your head over the weekend my friend? I'm worried about you. Because, no one in their right mind would say they'll be no spin. Pelosi (Speaker of the House in name only) has already started spinning. Fact are facts. Fact: The Special Counsel’s investigation did not find that the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with Russia in its efforts to influence the 2016 U.S. presidential election. As the report states: “[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.” Note the words in Red. These were in quotes indicating they were taken directly from Mueller's report, not an interpretation from Barr. So now we're left with obstruction which you will spin until you're dizzy. |
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Title: Re: Arguably..... Post by LostArtist on 04/15/19 at 10:38:39 WE DON'T HAVE THE REPORT. we have a suck up, sycophant to Trump interpretation of the report, which, could be ANY CRAZY Mother Fracking thing as we've heard from the Trump TDS supporters here... you all are just as desperate that it clears Trump as some democrats are that it condemn Trump, the TRUTH IS, AND THIS IS MOTHER FRACKING UNDENIABLE, WE DONT' KNOW. |
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Title: Re: Arguably..... Post by T And T Garage on 04/15/19 at 10:43:03 687F79757A6A180 wrote:
That's you talking, not me. Here's an idea, why don't we wait on the release and see what it says? You may not look as foolish. |
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Title: Re: Arguably..... Post by LostArtist on 04/15/19 at 10:44:57 704245545342556A46554C270 wrote:
Did you hit your head over the weekend my friend? I'm worried about you. Because, no one in their right mind would say they'll be no spin. Pelosi (Speaker of the House in name only) has already started spinning. Fact are facts. Fact: The Special Counsel’s investigation did not find that the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with Russia in its efforts to influence the 2016 U.S. presidential election. As the report states: “[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.” Note the words in Red. These were in quotes indicating they were taken directly from Mueller's report, not an interpretation from Barr. So now we're left with obstruction which you will spin until you're dizzy. [/quote] what are the criteria for establishing? and how is that even possible, Roger Stone, a Trump campaign official, coordinated with Wiki Leaks, Trump himself asked RUSSIA directly on National TV to interfere... I want the answers |
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Title: Re: Arguably..... Post by T And T Garage on 04/15/19 at 10:46:10 526067767160774864776E050 wrote:
Did you hit your head over the weekend my friend? I'm worried about you. Because, no one in their right mind would say they'll be no spin. Pelosi (Speaker of the House in name only) has already started spinning. Fact are facts. Fact: The Special Counsel’s investigation did not find that the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with Russia in its efforts to influence the 2016 U.S. presidential election. As the report states: “[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.” And did you happen to notice that the word "the" wasn't capitalized? This is an excerpt from the investigation, not the entire thing. Probably had a lot more proceeding that sentence. But yeah, go ahead and hang your hat on that one. :D Note the words in Red. These were in quotes indicating they were taken directly from Mueller's report, not an interpretation from Barr. So now we're left with obstruction which you will spin until you're dizzy. [/quote] Like I told pro golfer, maybe you should wait until it comes out - you won't look like a bigger fool. |
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Title: Re: Arguably..... Post by WebsterMark on 04/15/19 at 11:13:37 Sounds like you two are spinning..... |
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Title: Re: Arguably..... Post by WebsterMark on 04/15/19 at 11:15:52 Trump himself asked RUSSIA directly on National TV to interfere... Seriously Lost? You think that joke by Trump is evidence of collusion? wow..... |
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Title: Re: Arguably..... Post by T And T Garage on 04/16/19 at 08:09:49 7A484F5E59485F604C5F462D0 wrote:
How do you know it's a joke? Remember, 25% of what he says is defendable (your words). |
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Title: Re: Arguably..... Post by WebsterMark on 04/16/19 at 08:25:43 So let me get this straight. Some Russia KGB guy is sitting in his 8x8 government furnished apartment watching America TV and hears Trump say that about Hilary and his emails. He rushes back to the office and calls a high level meeting and says he's got a great idea: Let's hack Hilary's emails! Why didn't anybody think of this before! Thanks Donald! Without that comment, we'd never had thought about that..... |
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Title: Re: Arguably..... Post by T And T Garage on 04/16/19 at 08:37:44 4C7E79686F7E69567A69701B0 wrote:
You're impression of how who is "sitting in Russia" is more proof that you're way out of touch. Although they may not have acted on it, there are significant resources in Russia for this type of meddling. It's not some "guy in an 8x8". These are sophisticated, well trained data miners. But you know what, that's not at issue. Stay on track here mark - It's the fact that your idiot in the white house said what he said. Regardless of who's listening, it's a stupid and possibly illegal statement. Just own the stupidity for once, huh? |
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Title: Re: Arguably..... Post by WebsterMark on 04/16/19 at 08:56:49 And you think that comment was significant? Illegal? Talk about out of touch...... Seriously, this is a TDS delusional moment you're having. |
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Title: Re: Arguably..... Post by T And T Garage on 04/16/19 at 09:17:21 6B595E4F48594E715D4E573C0 wrote:
Keep it real mark - if that were said by a dem, you'd be all over it like a cat covering $hit. Whether or not it was meant as a joke - it was in poor taste and possibly illegal. Just own it for once. |
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Title: Re: Arguably..... Post by Serowbot on 04/16/19 at 09:30:24 Hell of a coincidence that Russian hacking of DNC began just hours after Trump publicly asked them to. Hell of a coincidence that Trump announced publicly that we should expect revelations on Hillary in a few days, on the eve of that meeting at Trump tower... Then, when nothing came of the meeting,... no revelations on Hillary were forthcoming. ... but Trump is Sgt, Shultz... "I know nothing... Noooothing!"... Not buying it... ::) |
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Title: Re: Arguably..... Post by WebsterMark on 04/16/19 at 09:41:10 Keep it real mark - if that were said by a dem, you'd be all over it like a cat covering $hit. Whether or not it was meant as a joke - it was in poor taste and possibly illegal. Just own it for once. There's nothing to own. You're in 9/11 truther conspiracy mode.... No one took that comment seriously. No one. Like I said, do you think Russia heard that and acted on it? |
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Title: Re: Arguably..... Post by WebsterMark on 04/16/19 at 09:42:04 2432253820353823570 wrote:
Oh my God... you too? Do you remember how much $hit you gave JOG for his 9/11 conspiracy theories? Well, look in the mirror. |
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Title: Re: Arguably..... Post by LostArtist on 04/16/19 at 12:56:45 685A5D4C4B5A4D725E4D543F0 wrote:
the Russians didn't think it was a joke... THEY ACTED ON IT. Trump asked for help, he got help. end of story. |
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Title: Re: Arguably..... Post by WebsterMark on 04/16/19 at 12:58:59 the Russians didn't think it was a joke... THEY ACTED ON IT. Trump asked for help, he got help. end of story. They acted on a joke....something they'd never thought of before.....they took a one line joke as a cry for help..... |
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Title: Re: Arguably..... Post by LostArtist on 04/16/19 at 13:01:44 704245545342556A46554C270 wrote:
that's what happened, Mueller INDICTED 12 GRU (not KGB, get with the times for Pete's sake, jeeesh... how old are you??? there hasn't been a KGB for 28 YEARS!) for hacking into DNC accounts and stole emails, JUST LIKE TRUMP ASKED. 12 Russians indicted in Mueller investigation https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/13/politics/russia-investigation-indictments/index.html The Justice Department announced indictments against 12 Russian nationals as part of special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 election, accusing them of engaging in a "sustained effort" to hack Democrats' emails and computer networks. All 12 defendants are members of the GRU, a Russian federation intelligence agency within the main intelligence directorate of the Russian military, who were acting in "their official capacities." the only thing that saves Trump's campaign is that THEY ARE SO STUPID they didn't know they were talking to Russians.... they should be prosecuted just for being stupid. |
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Title: Re: Arguably..... Post by LostArtist on 04/16/19 at 13:02:20 586A6D7C7B6A7D426E7D640F0 wrote:
Well..... Trump is known for crying..... |
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Title: Re: Arguably..... Post by LostArtist on 04/16/19 at 13:09:52 4D7F78696E7F68577B68711A0 wrote:
oh, and Trump's "it was a joke" defense is really really really shady.... I"m just going to take everything you say as a joke because..... |
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Title: Re: Arguably..... Post by LostArtist on 04/16/19 at 13:11:12 437176676071665975667F140 wrote:
I think that one comment was a signal to Russians to take action. aka COLLUSION |
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Title: Re: Arguably..... Post by LostArtist on 04/16/19 at 13:21:01 oh, and maybe, just maybe, as President, Trump should start taking the words he says more seriously... he's not our chief entertainer... he's PRESIDENT, time to grow up orange boy |
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Title: Re: Arguably..... Post by WebsterMark on 04/16/19 at 13:28:53 I think that one comment was a signal to Russians to take action. aka COLLUSION again, wow........ No one with any common sense thinks the Russians took that joke as a signal to take action. You're delusional Lost. You are right up with the "Pentagon was hit was a missile folks" who swear people who saw a plane fly into the building were paid off. Come on man! I get it, you loath Trump with the burning hatred of 10,000 suns but use a little common sense. |
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Title: Re: Arguably..... Post by LostArtist on 04/16/19 at 14:11:18 083A3D2C2B3A2D123E2D345F0 wrote:
dude, it's a FACT that the Russians took action to hack ON THAT DAY..... how much more common sense can it get???? do you know Russians to have a great sense of humor? Trump style humor that only hicks and hillbillies and racists as s hole freaks get? |
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Title: Re: Arguably..... Post by T And T Garage on 04/16/19 at 15:08:38 4F7D7A6B6C7D6A55796A73180 wrote:
Like I said, whether or not he was joking is irrelevant. He's an idiot for just saying it. That's the idiocracy you support, not me. |
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Title: Re: Arguably..... Post by WebsterMark on 04/16/19 at 17:01:08 5046514C54414C57230 wrote:
So Trump makes a joke and suddenly 12 guys put together an email hacking job within minutes, that quick? Seriously? Think about that. That's what I mean about 9/11 truther style conspiracy. |
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Title: Re: Arguably..... Post by raydawg on 04/16/19 at 17:08:16 162423323524330C20332A410 wrote:
Oh my God... you too? Do you remember how much $hit you gave JOG for his 9/11 conspiracy theories? Well, look in the mirror. [/quote] I like the folk who think Bill Clinton and Loretta Lynch only talked about golf and grand kids, I mean golly, why would they talk about the matter that was taking place with Hillary......mo way, uh uh, but folks had to clear the plane because those grand kids might be top secret ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Arguably..... Post by WebsterMark on 04/17/19 at 04:49:21 Last day before potentially the largest spin cycle in the history of political spin begins..... Already begun here at my local liberal outlets. Its not a redacted report, its now an edited report. Using that word is no accident. |
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Title: Re: Arguably..... Post by T And T Garage on 04/17/19 at 15:59:11 barr's version of "A Tale Of Two Cities" :D : http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/images/column/oshkosh18/barrcities.jpg |
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Title: Re: Arguably..... Post by LostArtist on 04/17/19 at 16:12:33 526067767160774864776E050 wrote:
So Trump makes a joke and suddenly 12 guys put together an email hacking job within minutes, that quick? Seriously? Think about that. That's what I mean about 9/11 truther style conspiracy.[/quote] I think the Russian GRU was waiting for a direction... they were already being disruptive via their ads and misleading posts on Facebook and Twitter etc.... so they weren't idle, they were just throwing spaghetti at the wall to see what stuck.... and then Trump says.. Hey, Clinton emails stick... go get 'em..... and the Russian GRU took action, DIRECTED by Trump. By what Trump thought would be impactful |
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Title: Re: Arguably..... Post by LostArtist on 04/17/19 at 16:13:14 162423323524330C20332A410 wrote:
no, that still belongs to GW BUSH and how we got into the Iraq war |
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Title: Re: Arguably..... Post by T And T Garage on 04/18/19 at 05:43:50 1C2E29383F2E39062A39204B0 wrote:
It's funny that you accuse the left of trying to spin the report (before it's come out) - yet barr himself is holding a press conference this morning to do just that - put his (a republican) spin on the report before it's released! It's gotten to the point now that, anything a conservative accuses a dem of doing, they themselves are actually the ones doing it! (projection?) Again, typical conservative hypocrisy. |
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Title: Re: Arguably..... Post by WebsterMark on 04/18/19 at 05:51:14 You know what will be really funny? Watching leftist who cried there was no way Barr could have digested the entire 400 page report over one weekend in order to put out his summary letter, yet those leftist clowns will within 5 minutes of gaining access to the report will be able to cite a single line that is reason for impeachment! Gosh leftist are hilarious! |
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Title: Re: Arguably..... Post by T And T Garage on 04/18/19 at 05:53:33 5F6D6A7B7C6D7A45697A63080 wrote:
You sure seem to think you can predict the future! I'll wait and see what the report actually says. But again, I find it funny that you accuse the left of spin when barr and the trump admin is doing just that! How do you swallow that much hypocrisy mark? Aren't you full by now? (guess not) |
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Title: Re: Arguably..... Post by WebsterMark on 04/18/19 at 06:09:50 I'll wait and see what the report actually says. But again, I find it funny that you accuse the left of spin when barr and the trump admin is doing just that! Those two statements contradict one another. You are waiting to see what the report says, but you say Barr and Trump is spinning. However, since you don't know what the report actually says, how could you know if they are spinning? I'll answer that for you: because you are spinning. |
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Title: Re: Arguably..... Post by T And T Garage on 04/18/19 at 07:57:16 7F4D4A5B5C4D5A65495A43280 wrote:
LOL - again, I've said nothing about the report. barr and the trump camp are doing it as I type this. You're hilarious! |
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Title: Re: Arguably..... Post by T And T Garage on 04/18/19 at 08:11:16 Well, barr has said - his words - "10 episodes” of possible obstruction on the part of the president and discusses potential legal theories for connecting those activities to the elements of an obstruction offense. And let the spinning from the right begin! ;D |
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Title: Re: Arguably..... Post by LostArtist on 04/18/19 at 08:50:20 546661707766714E627168030 wrote:
Well, that didn't happen... so... |
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Title: Re: Arguably..... Post by LostArtist on 04/18/19 at 08:52:05 Honestly, this is going to go down just like the Benghazi and Clinton Email investigations... stupid behavior yes, criminal, no |
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Title: Re: Arguably..... Post by T And T Garage on 04/18/19 at 09:47:48 Again, these are not my words, but a cut and paste from Yahoo: On the question of obstruction, Trump, Mueller wrote, "engaged in efforts to curtail the Special Counsel's investigation and prevent the disclosure of evidence to it, including through public and private contacts with potential witnesses." That contradicts Barr’s assertion Thursday that the president “fully cooperated” with the investigation. The president realized the appointment of the special counsel spelled trouble for his presidency. According to notes contained in the report, “when Sessions told the President that a Special Counsel had been appointed, the President slumped back in his chair and said, 'Oh my God. This is terrible. This is the end of my Presidency. I'm f**ked.'" Gonna get some popcorn going! :D |
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Title: Re: Arguably..... Post by WebsterMark on 04/18/19 at 10:37:44 Eat all the popcorn you want. This hoax is over. No collusion which is what this was primarily about. None, zero, that made up narrative is dead and buried. Regarding obstruction, Trump never asserted executive privilege, not once. Nothing was found that demonstrated obstruction. Nothing. All that's left is for sore losers who still can't believe Hillary lost to search for individual phrases that have no legal foundation for an obstruction charge and make them into something they're not. It's over. The left has been exposed as a political party that attempted a bloodless takeover. It's time to move on. (except to investigate the traitors who created this hoax in the first place) |
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Title: Re: Arguably..... Post by LostArtist on 04/18/19 at 10:48:49 5C6E69787F6E79466A79600B0 wrote:
have you read the report already?? dang you're fast! |
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Title: Re: Arguably..... Post by WebsterMark on 04/18/19 at 10:52:22 no, I had a meeting this morning. But I heard most of Barr's press conference and I listened to CNN driving home. Based on their comments, I know what the report says. They're very disappointed. |
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Title: Re: Arguably..... Post by T And T Garage on 04/18/19 at 12:37:54 0B393E2F28392E113D2E375C0 wrote:
LOL - "time to move on"? Really? Not even close! It's funny how you gloss over the fact that this report pretty much shows that trump obstructed justice on several occasions. (too bad his administration protected him, but I guess we'll see how that all plays out.) BTW, I'm surprised you didn't yell "hillary's emails!" on your last post... or maybe "Benghazi!" :D |
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Title: Re: Arguably..... Post by T And T Garage on 04/18/19 at 12:45:25 Interesting bit form the report: The Internet Research Agency (IRA) carried out the earliest Russian interference operations identified by the investigation- a social media campaign designed to provoke and amplify political and social discord in the United States. The fRA was based in St. Petersburg, Russia, and received funding from Russian oligarch Yevgeniy Prigozhin and companies he controlled. Prigozhin is widely reported to have ties to Russian President Vladimir Putin The IRA later used social media accounts and interest groups to sow discord in the U.S. political system through what it termed "information warfare." The campaign evolved from a generalized program designed in 2014 and 2015 to undermine the U.S. electoral system, to a targeted operation that by early 2016 favored candidate Trump and disparaged candidate Clinton. The lRA's operation also included the purchase of political advertisements on social media in the names of U.S. persons and entities, as well as the staging of political rallies inside the United States. To organize those rallies, IRA employees posed as U.S. grassroots entities and persons and made contact with Trump supporters and Trump Campaign officials in the United States. The investigation did not identify evidence that any U.S. persons conspired or coordinated with the IRA. Well, gee.. no genuine collusion... but, well, it ain't rocket science folks. |
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Title: Re: Arguably..... Post by WebsterMark on 04/18/19 at 12:53:43 It's funny how you gloss over the fact that this report pretty much shows that trump obstructed justice on several occasions Now there's an intelligent, legal term: pretty much.... If it pretty much showed that, wouldn't Mueller had just said Trump obstructed justice? You are doing exactly what I said you'd do; SPIN. Hint: focus on a distant point to keep from getting dizzy! |
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Title: Re: Arguably..... Post by WebsterMark on 04/18/19 at 12:55:50 The attempted coup has failed and the perpetrators will soon be brought out from under the slime they've been hiding. Be glad your heroes didn't try this in other times or they'd be hung. |
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Title: Re: Arguably..... Post by T And T Garage on 04/18/19 at 12:58:48 4C7E79686F7E69567A69701B0 wrote:
Sorry to disappoint you mark, but all I'm doing is posting quotes from the report. My bad for trying to use terms that are at your level. I'll know better next time. |
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Title: Re: Arguably..... Post by T And T Garage on 04/18/19 at 12:59:15 724047565140576844574E250 wrote:
LOL - yeah - lemme know how that works out, huh? :D |
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Title: Re: Arguably..... Post by pg on 04/18/19 at 13:53:10 716F60616C716A77050 wrote:
It will be 2023 and these morons will still be making these asinine accusations. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Arguably..... Post by T And T Garage on 04/18/19 at 14:09:54 352224282737450 wrote:
It will be 2023 and these morons will still be making these asinine accusations. Best regards, [/quote] Who, the republicans? Yep, you're right! They are morons. |
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Title: Re: Arguably..... Post by WebsterMark on 04/18/19 at 14:41:03 Sorry to disappoint you mark, but all I'm doing is posting quotes from the report. Let's be clear, you are posting selected quotes from the report. You leave out key lines such as at no time did Trump assert executive privilege, etc... You've yet to copy the single most important point that there was no collusion by Trump. Meaning of course there was no crime to obstruct. My point from the beginning was if I saw evidence Trump was being a traitor to the USA, I'd be the first in line for the firing squad. There was no such evidence. Interestingly, those bringing the charges now find a sword hanging over their heads. |
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Title: Re: Arguably..... Post by T And T Garage on 04/18/19 at 14:44:24 0E3C3B2A2D3C2B14382B32590 wrote:
LOL - talk about spin - like I said - lemme know how that works out, hmm? |
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