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Title: Electronic Surveillance is not Spying Post by pg on 04/12/19 at 14:06:10 https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/04/11/comey_ive_never_thought_of_electronic_surveillance_as_spying.html?jwsource=cl Best regards,

Title: Re: Electronic Surveillance is not Spying Post by LostArtist on 04/12/19 at 14:34:34 well, surveillance isn't spying so...  um, duh?

Title: Re: Electronic Surveillance is not Spying Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/12/19 at 14:49:39 A distinction without a difference. Whoda guessed? Get a thesaurus. Free, online Synonyms for surveillance care control examination inspection scrutiny supervision vigilance wiretap bug direction eye lookout spying

Title: Re: Electronic Surveillance is not Spying Post by LostArtist on 04/12/19 at 15:10:27 not at all.... spying is illegal. whether it's done by a nation or an individual, a foreigner in your nation spying it illegal in that nation that is being spied upon.... surveillance is lawful and indeed advanced by government officials to gather information for a legal case against a suspect legal vs illegal VERY big difference can legal surveillance be abused sure...  and that's the question, if the system was played against Trump in an abusive corrupt fashion, and not just to answer justifiable questions

Title: Re: Electronic Surveillance is not Spying Post by LostArtist on 04/12/19 at 15:13:09 oh and: synonym noun syn·[ch8203]o·[ch8203]nym | \ [ch712]si-n[ch601]-[ch716]nim  \ Definition of synonym 1 : one of two or more words or expressions of the same language that have the same or nearly the same meaning in some or all senses 2a : a word or phrase that by association is held to embody something (such as a concept or quality) a tyrant whose name has become a synonym for oppression b : METONYM 3 : one of two or more scientific names used to designate the same taxonomic group nearly the same is NOT the same, and in some sense not all... shades of grey my friend....    open your eyes

Title: Re: Electronic Surveillance is not Spying Post by LostArtist on 04/12/19 at 15:31:18 I'm really starting to wonder if conservatives just don't read.... or at least not every word.... hence the many times I question the reading comprehension of many on this board.

Title: Re: Electronic Surveillance is not Spying Post by pg on 04/12/19 at 17:56:45 Now that is has come to light that the dossier was paid for by a political adversary, unverified, and used illegally in the FISA process; hereafter, the methods used to gather information constitute spying. Best regards,

Title: Re: Electronic Surveillance is not Spying Post by raydawg on 04/12/19 at 18:09:34 spy verb \ [ch712]sp[ch299]  \ spied; spying Definition of spy (Entry 1 of 2) transitive verb 1 : to watch secretly usually for hostile purposes 2 : to catch sight of : SEE 3 : to search or look for intensively —usually used with out spy out places fit for vending … goods — S. E. Morison intransitive verb 1 : to observe or search for something : LOOK 2 : to watch secretly as a spy spy noun plural spies Definition of spy (Entry 2 of 2) 1 : one that spies: a : one who keeps secret watch on a person or thing to obtain information b : a person employed by one nation to secretly convey classified information of strategic importance to another nation also : a person who conveys the trade secrets of one company to another 2 : an act of spying Synonyms

Title: Re: Electronic Surveillance is not Spying Post by raydawg on 04/12/19 at 18:10:27 spying   Also found in: Thesaurus, Legal, Idioms, Encyclopedia, Wikipedia. spy  (sp[ch299]) n. pl. spies (sp[ch299]z) 1. One who secretly collects information concerning the enemies of a government or group. 2. One who secretly collects information for a business about one or more of its competitors. 3. One who secretly keeps watch on another or others. v. spied (sp[ch299]d), spy·ing, spies (sp[ch299]z) v.tr. 1. To watch or observe secretly: was sent to spy out the enemy camp. 2. To discover by close observation: "[They] are continually prowling about on all three decks, eager to spy out iniquities" (Herman Melville). 3. To catch sight of; see: spied the ship on the horizon. v.intr. 1. To engage in espionage. 2. To investigate or observe something, especially in secret: spying into the neighbor's activities.

Title: Re: Electronic Surveillance is not Spying Post by Eegore on 04/13/19 at 00:17:04  One can conduct electronic surveillance without spying.  One can spy without using electronic surveillance.  What's hard to understand about that?

Title: Re: Electronic Surveillance is not Spying Post by pg on 04/13/19 at 03:43:00 0F2F2D25382F4A0 wrote:  One can conduct electronic surveillance without spying.  One can spy without using electronic surveillance.  What's hard to understand about that? Do you believe these practices are legal, ethical, and should be utilized in the future by rival political groups? Best regards,

Title: Re: Electronic Surveillance is not Spying Post by Eegore on 04/13/19 at 05:19:34 "Do you believe these practices are legal, ethical, and should be utilized in the future by rival political groups?"  Yes.

Title: Re: Electronic Surveillance is not Spying Post by Serowbot on 04/13/19 at 09:07:24 Oooops... Sorry guys, I just accidentally deleted a post by Raydawg... The jist was,... I guess it all depends on the definition of "IS"... I was trying to quote it, and hit the wrong button. No intended slight. Serow Anyway... I had intended on saying it's what the definition of "WARRANT" is... ..and, they were surveilling members of the Trump campaign that were suspected of illegal cooperation with foreign enemies that were tampering with our election, not the Trump campaign itself. That's not spying,.. it's catching spies...

Title: Re: Electronic Surveillance is not Spying Post by LostArtist on 04/13/19 at 09:32:20 5245434F4050220 wrote: Now that is has come to light that the dossier was paid for by a political adversary, unverified, and used illegally in the FISA process; hereafter, the methods used to gather information constitute spying. Best regards, actually, nothing ILLEGAL has been proved, just fantasized about by your partisan idiot brethren

Title: Re: Electronic Surveillance is not Spying Post by raydawg on 04/13/19 at 09:56:34 4751465B43565B40340 wrote: Oooops... Sorry guys, I just accidentally deleted a post by Raydawg... The jist was,... I guess it all depends on the definition of "IS"... I was trying to quote it, and hit the wrong button. No intended slight. Serow Anyway... I had intended on saying it's what the definition of "WARRANT" is... ..and, they were surveilling members of the Trump campaign that were suspected of illegal cooperation with foreign enemies that were tampering with our election, not the Trump campaign itself. That's not spying,.. it's catching spies... AGAIN.......  ;D Its all depends on what the definition of IS - IS  :-* The act of spying is trying to uncover information to be used for whatever reason its needed, and yes its legal, AND illegal, and should be decided accordingly. In this case, was it legal....yes, as the warrants allowed such, that is not the question being asked..... Were they granted on false information, lies, etc..... That is a whole different issue, and to my understanding, what is going to be looked at now, as it should, because new information has come to light in testimony of Mueller's investigation. Don't we ALL have a vested interest in finding out the truth?

Title: Re: Electronic Surveillance is not Spying Post by Serowbot on 04/13/19 at 10:54:35 4F5C44595C4A5A3D0 wrote: Don't we ALL have a vested interest in finding out the truth? Trump has a vested interest in not finding out the truth. We all should wonder why...

Title: Re: Electronic Surveillance is not Spying Post by MnSpring on 04/13/19 at 13:44:06 45667A7D487B7D607A7D090 wrote: legal vs illegal VERY big difference Would that be, or have any bearing on, whether or not a person, Knocks on a door, or Breaks it down. ?

Title: Re: Electronic Surveillance is not Spying Post by Eegore on 04/13/19 at 16:03:08 "Would that be, or have any bearing on, whether or not a person, Knocks on a door, or Breaks it down. ?"  Depends on who the person is and if they are the legal owner of the door and have no tenants or other contractual agreements, such as storage, to another party that would maintain a degree of privacy.

Title: Re: Electronic Surveillance is not Spying Post by pg on 04/14/19 at 06:01:16 The only thing Orwell got wrong was the year..... Best regards,

Title: Re: Electronic Surveillance is not Spying Post by pg on 04/14/19 at 06:02:36 4D6D6F677A6D080 wrote: "Do you believe these practices are legal, ethical, and should be utilized in the future by rival political groups?"  Yes. If you are not aware they are cataloging every bit of digital information on you as well. Best regards,

Title: Re: Electronic Surveillance is not Spying Post by Eegore on 04/14/19 at 15:38:06 "If you are not aware they are cataloging every bit of digital information on you as well."  I am aware.  Are you aware that you agree to most of it by using the service provided?  Even so I think one can engage in the act of electronic surveillance without spying.  I also think one can spy, without engaging in electronic surveillance.  By definition I do not believe all forms of electronic surveillance is illegal.  So should political groups use legal electronic surveillance?  Yes, if its legal.

Title: Re: Electronic Surveillance is not Spying Post by LostArtist on 04/16/19 at 08:45:45 also this whole thread is based on a MISLEADING INCOMPLETE QUOTE the original quote is "I've never considered COURT ORDERED electronic surveillance spying...." PG you're getting BAD information

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