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Title: What is the difference? Post by pg on 04/10/19 at 07:07:22 https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/04/wayne-allyn-root-whats-the-difference-between-democrats-and-communists/ *The Green New Deal that would (in their words) “completely transform the American economy, put the federal government in control over large sectors, retrofit every building in America…and constitute by far the greatest centralization of power in American history.” *Make all college free *Make all healthcare free *Increase taxes to 70% *Abolish ICE, protect sanctuary cities and take down all existing walls on the Southern border. *Eliminate the Senate filibuster, pack the Supreme Court with extra judges, end the electoral college. *Reparations for black Americans. This actually makes The Green New Deal sound sane. *Allow abortions up until the baby’s moment of birth, or even after birth. *Opposition and in many cases, outright hatred towards Israel, America’s longtime best friend. There is no question what Democrats stand for. This is all public news. The only question is, what separates this “wish list” from the agenda of the Communist Party of America? Best regards, |
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Title: Re: What is the difference? Post by WebsterMark on 04/10/19 at 07:21:18 I don't know, what's the difference? |
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Title: Re: What is the difference? Post by T And T Garage on 04/10/19 at 07:21:58 Laughable republican fear tactic reporting. Nicely done! Great cut and paste from Las Vegas Review Journal! (top notch commentary) LOL |
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Title: Re: What is the difference? Post by LostArtist on 04/10/19 at 09:46:55 it's not communism you need to fear, it's authoritarianism... but you'll never figure that out |
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Title: Re: What is the difference? Post by verslagen1 on 04/10/19 at 09:53:58 02213D3A0F3C3A273D3A4E0 wrote:
communism/authoritarianism... what's the difference? New uniforms. |
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Title: Re: What is the difference? Post by LostArtist on 04/10/19 at 11:22:01 5E4D5A5B44494F4D4619280 wrote:
communism/authoritarianism... what's the difference? New uniforms.[/quote] often.... and to be clear, I don't agree with everything that's in the Green New Deal, and it's not official party platform either, so to say every democrat wants it is totally disingenuous but that's the best word ever to describe the republicans and most conservatives anyway I highly doubt that these bullet points are accurate, as the gatewaypundit is a slanderous website, but... *The Green New Deal that would (in their words) “completely transform the American economy, put the federal government in control over large sectors, retrofit every building in America…and constitute by far the greatest centralization of power in American history.”' giving absolutely no details on this so.... I'm dismissing this whole point as fear mongering idiocy *Make all college free the price of college needs addressed, Free, idk, let's just get the cost of education back in line with real life, but I can see a time when at least junior colleges are free since that'll be what's required of the workforce *Make all healthcare free free? no, I'll pay taxes for that, I'm okay with that, I'm no okay with corporations ripping us off and holding our very lives hostage to make a buck, healthcare is a right, your right to live is a right. and as such the government (we the people) should be able to determine what acceptable care is *Increase taxes to 70% . idk, I think we can just cut the military and pay for most of this stuff that way, I have no desire to tax anyone more, but to keep us out of getting into more debt, so it'd just be a matter of looking at taxes and what we need to pay and adjusting to make it balanced *Abolish ICE, protect sanctuary cities and take down all existing walls on the Southern border. yup, open borders, give everyone a coming here a tax ID number, no more "illegal labor" and punish those that pay illegal wages, imagine having 12 million or more new tax payers overnight.... *Eliminate the Senate filibuster, pack the Supreme Court with extra judges, end the electoral college. The filibuster is broken, but, that's more of a gerrymandering issue, fix that, get more realistic representation instead of so much of the extremes and that'll fix that, and while I think there are too many old white people on the Supreme court.... and sometimes the electoral college short circuits democracy... Let's leave these constitutional structures alone *Reparations for black Americans. This actually makes The Green New Deal sound sane. I heard a way of doing reparations that might be interesting, just exclude them from taxes.. idk, we do owe ancestors of slaves and black people in general something for our centuries of building our nation on their backs , so that'd be something I'd be interested in hearing about, but it'd be very complicated process, that doesn't mean it shouldn't be done though *Allow abortions up until the baby’s moment of birth, or even after birth. I'm going to go ahead and assume this is just a lie. *Opposition and in many cases, outright hatred towards Israel, America’s longtime best friend. Israel isn't perfect and they are still doing illegal things according to international law that WE signed up for.... so your best friend breaks the law, you're okay with that? |
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Title: Re: What is the difference? Post by Eegore on 04/10/19 at 16:05:35 Most of the interpretations from that article, which isn't referenced here, is inaccurate thus making an argument hypothetical. |
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Title: Re: What is the difference? Post by LostArtist on 04/10/19 at 16:16:01 436361697463060 wrote:
excellent point |
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Title: Re: What is the difference? Post by pg on 04/10/19 at 18:18:44 786669686578637E0C0 wrote:
I cited the article that it came from. Please note, no attempt whatsoever to articulate any differences....... Best regards, |
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Title: Re: What is the difference? Post by pg on 04/10/19 at 18:22:53 0724383F0A393F22383F4B0 wrote:
If you have noticed I often use the term collectivism. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: What is the difference? Post by T And T Garage on 04/10/19 at 18:33:19 1C3C3E362B3C590 wrote:
Well put. |
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Title: Re: What is the difference? Post by pg on 04/10/19 at 19:02:36 537371796473160 wrote:
Such as..... Best regards, |
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Title: Re: What is the difference? Post by LostArtist on 04/11/19 at 12:54:23 7265636F6070020 wrote:
I cited the article that it came from. Please note, no attempt whatsoever to articulate any differences....... Best regards, [/quote] no attempt....... WHAT THE F U C K do you think I POSTED!!!!!! ???? |
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Title: Re: What is the difference? Post by LostArtist on 04/11/19 at 12:55:13 2730363A3525570 wrote:
If you have noticed I often use the term collectivism. Best regards,[/quote] I'm just going to ignore you from now on, you obviously have major reading comprehension problems. |
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Title: Re: What is the difference? Post by pg on 04/11/19 at 14:50:32 1734282F1A292F32282F5B0 wrote:
If you have noticed I often use the term collectivism. Best regards,[/quote] I'm just going to ignore you from now on, you obviously have major reading comprehension problems.[/quote] Suit yourself..... However their is a differene between authoritarianism and collectivism. The enforcement authority at the expense of personal freedom as opposed to the practice of giving a group priority over each individual in it. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: What is the difference? Post by T And T Garage on 04/11/19 at 14:56:15 7C6B6D616E7E0C0 wrote:
If you have noticed I often use the term collectivism. Best regards,[/quote] I'm just going to ignore you from now on, you obviously have major reading comprehension problems.[/quote] Suit yourself..... However their is a differene between authoritarianism and collectivism. The enforcement authority at the expense of personal freedom as opposed to the practice of giving a group priority over each individual in it. Best regards, [/quote] The fact is pro golfer - your OP is sh!t. It's a fear-mongering lie. Quick cases in point - you show me any piece of legislation from a dem that would allow for the killing of a newborn. Further, the whole "70% tax" is a lie. That 70% would probably be paid by no one. Just like in the 50's under Eisenhower, it's a marginal rate. (look that up, huh?) |
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Title: Re: What is the difference? Post by pg on 04/11/19 at 15:27:19 574946474A574C51230 wrote:
Dems believe everyone is entitled to an abortion with the sole exception of their parents. Yes, I understand taxation. I took several classes when I obtained an MBA. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: What is the difference? Post by T And T Garage on 04/11/19 at 15:31:05 6671777B7464160 wrote:
Dems believe everyone is entitled to an abortion with the sole exception of their parents. We believe in a woman's right to choose. Now, how about addressing the lie that was in your OP about born babies? Yes, I understand taxation. I took several classes when I obtained an MBA. Wow, I'm so impressed that you have an MBA! Gosh, no one has those!! ::) So then, why not address the lie from your OP about the 70% tax cliam? Best regards, [/quote] |
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Title: Re: What is the difference? Post by pg on 04/12/19 at 03:43:42 213F30313C213A27550 wrote:
You have made not attempt to address the premise of this thread. The only question is, what separates this “wish list” from the agenda of the Communist Party of America? Anyone, please feel free to chime in as T&T is lost for words. Here is a link about the CPUSA. http://www.cpusa.org/party_info/party-program/ Best regards, |
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Title: Re: What is the difference? Post by Eegore on 04/12/19 at 04:52:59 "The only question is, what separates this “wish list” from the agenda of the Communist Party of America?" The CPA agenda is real and the "wish list" is speculation at best. |
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Title: Re: What is the difference? Post by T And T Garage on 04/12/19 at 06:10:16 6F787E727D6D1F0 wrote:
You have made not attempt to address the premise of this thread. The only question is, what separates this “wish list” from the agenda of the Communist Party of America? Your OP is garbage. That is NOT the "wish list" for the democratic party. That's the problem pro golfer. Anyone, please feel free to chime in as T&T is lost for words. Here is a link about the CPUSA. http://www.cpusa.org/party_info/party-program/ Best regards, [/quote] |
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Title: Re: What is the difference? Post by pg on 04/12/19 at 13:52:20 233D32333E233825570 wrote:
Are some of those on the justice democrat platform? Would that be more appropriate? https://www.justicedemocrats.com/issues/ Best regards, |
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Title: Re: What is the difference? Post by LostArtist on 04/12/19 at 14:17:39 6077717D7262100 wrote:
If you have noticed I often use the term collectivism. Best regards,[/quote] I'm just going to ignore you from now on, you obviously have major reading comprehension problems.[/quote] Suit yourself..... However their is a differene between authoritarianism and collectivism. The enforcement authority at the expense of personal freedom as opposed to the practice of giving a group priority over each individual in it. Best regards, [/quote] um... that's the same thing..... giving a group priority over each individual in it = the expense of personal freedom and the practice = enforcement authority so try again.... and again, they do often overlap and it's highly unlikely that communism is doable without authoritarianism in reality, but their could, theoretically, be a democratic communist society Communism is the equal distribution of the economic pie, regardless of any individual characteristics that would entitle one to more or less of the pie. (this might be a highly positive version of the definition, because it's trying to get at the root of it, not the tactics it takes to get there which are always awful) Authoritarianism is a form of government characterized by strong central power and limited political freedoms. Individual freedoms are subordinate to the state and there is no constitutional accountability and rule of law under an authoritarian regime. Authoritarianism has no goal of equal anything.... they (the government) are better than you and do not abide by any laws that don't suit their immediate wants. |
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Title: Re: What is the difference? Post by pg on 04/12/19 at 14:28:13 6A4955526754524F5552260 wrote:
Suit yourself..... That didn't take long.... Best regards, |
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Title: Re: What is the difference? Post by LostArtist on 04/12/19 at 14:32:25 7364626E6171030 wrote:
Suit yourself..... That didn't take long.... Best regards,[/quote] eh, I'm bored, and your pitiful attempts at being clever are at least a distraction, who's holding your beer btw? |
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Title: Re: What is the difference? Post by pg on 04/12/19 at 18:09:26 1635292E1B282E33292E5A0 wrote:
If you have noticed I often use the term collectivism. Best regards,[/quote] I'm just going to ignore you from now on, you obviously have major reading comprehension problems.[/quote] Suit yourself..... However their is a differene between authoritarianism and collectivism. The enforcement authority at the expense of personal freedom as opposed to the practice of giving a group priority over each individual in it. Best regards, [/quote] um... that's the same thing..... so try again.... Communism is the equal distribution of the economic pie, regardless of any individual characteristics that would entitle one to more or less of the pie. (this might be a highly positive version of the definition, because it's trying to get at the root of it, not the tactics it takes to get there which are always awful) Authoritarianism is a form of government characterized by strong central power and limited political freedoms. Individual freedoms are subordinate to the state and there is no constitutional accountability and rule of law under an authoritarian regime. Authoritarianism has no goal of equal anything.... they (the government) are better than you and do not abide by any laws that don't suit their immediate wants. [/quote] Please understand in a single post you stated they are the same thing and you go on to illustrate distinctly different definitions...... And in the same thread you accuse me of having reading comprehension problems...... ::) Best regards, |
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Title: Re: What is the difference? Post by T And T Garage on 04/15/19 at 06:01:38 283F39353A2A580 wrote:
Are some of those on the justice democrat platform? Would that be more appropriate? https://www.justicedemocrats.com/issues/ Best regards, [/quote] Why not read it for yourself? What are your concerns with the Justice Democrats platform: GREEN NEW DEAL SECURE A LIVING WAGE AND TIE IT TO INFLATION ENACT A FEDERAL JOBS GUARANTEE REBUILD OUR CRUMBLING INFRASTRUCTURE BLOCK BAD TRADE DEALS END TAX DODGING AND LOOPHOLES END UNNECESSARY WARS AND NATION BUILDING MEDICARE FOR ALL FREE PUBLIC COLLEGES AND TRADE SCHOOLS DEFEND AND EXPAND SOCIAL SECURITY, MEDICARE, AND MEDICAID ENSURE PAID VACATION TIME, SICK TIME, FAMILY LEAVE, CHILDCARE FIGHT FOR RACIAL JUSTICE PROTECT WOMEN’S RIGHTS COMBAT HOMELESSNESS POLICE REFORM ENACT COMMON-SENSE GUN REGULATION VOTING RIGHTS ABOLISH ICE END CORRUPTION REFORM OUR CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM IMPLEMENT COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM STOP SELLING ARMS TO HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATORS END THE FAILED WAR ON DRUGS ABOLISH THE DEATH PENALTY DEMOCRACY REFORM OPPOSE BIGOTRY DEFEND NET NEUTRALITY What are you so afraid of pro golfer? |
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Title: Re: What is the difference? Post by pg on 04/15/19 at 08:11:56 It is not the governments responsibility to provide many of those offerings. The country can't pay bills now without printing money. The economy is better than it has been in some time; however, it isn't not nearly as strong as proponents portray it. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: What is the difference? Post by T And T Garage on 04/15/19 at 10:22:02 544345494656240 wrote:
Well pro golfer, if we weren't buying $3000 hammers, hiring out civilian contractors for our military and giving massive tax breaks to the rich and corporations, we might just be able to provide these things for Americans. |
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Title: Re: What is the difference? Post by pg on 04/15/19 at 13:59:06 Here is another thought. What happened to anti-trust laws? I guess there isn't much to break anymore, Amazon.... Best regards, |
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Title: Re: What is the difference? Post by Serowbot on 04/15/19 at 14:40:18 It's amazing what the richest country in the world can't afford... :-? |
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Title: Re: What is the difference? Post by WebsterMark on 04/15/19 at 15:23:11 5F414E4F425F44592B0 wrote:
Are some of those on the justice democrat platform? Would that be more appropriate? https://www.justicedemocrats.com/issues/ Best regards, [/quote] Why not read it for yourself? What are your concerns with the Justice Democrats platform: GREEN NEW DEAL SECURE A LIVING WAGE AND TIE IT TO INFLATION ENACT A FEDERAL JOBS GUARANTEE REBUILD OUR CRUMBLING INFRASTRUCTURE BLOCK BAD TRADE DEALS END TAX DODGING AND LOOPHOLES END UNNECESSARY WARS AND NATION BUILDING MEDICARE FOR ALL FREE PUBLIC COLLEGES AND TRADE SCHOOLS DEFEND AND EXPAND SOCIAL SECURITY, MEDICARE, AND MEDICAID ENSURE PAID VACATION TIME, SICK TIME, FAMILY LEAVE, CHILDCARE FIGHT FOR RACIAL JUSTICE PROTECT WOMEN’S RIGHTS COMBAT HOMELESSNESS POLICE REFORM ENACT COMMON-SENSE GUN REGULATION VOTING RIGHTS ABOLISH ICE END CORRUPTION REFORM OUR CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM IMPLEMENT COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM STOP SELLING ARMS TO HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATORS END THE FAILED WAR ON DRUGS ABOLISH THE DEATH PENALTY DEMOCRACY REFORM OPPOSE BIGOTRY DEFEND NET NEUTRALITY What are you so afraid of pro golfer?[/quote] Now this is interesting...... So I'm clear TT, this is your wishlist? This is a platform you would support?The candidate who would address these issues through their policies would get you vote? |
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Title: Re: What is the difference? Post by T And T Garage on 04/16/19 at 08:08:12 6F5D5A4B4C5D4A75594A53380 wrote:
Are some of those on the justice democrat platform? Would that be more appropriate? https://www.justicedemocrats.com/issues/ Best regards, [/quote] Why not read it for yourself? What are your concerns with the Justice Democrats platform: GREEN NEW DEAL SECURE A LIVING WAGE AND TIE IT TO INFLATION ENACT A FEDERAL JOBS GUARANTEE REBUILD OUR CRUMBLING INFRASTRUCTURE BLOCK BAD TRADE DEALS END TAX DODGING AND LOOPHOLES END UNNECESSARY WARS AND NATION BUILDING MEDICARE FOR ALL FREE PUBLIC COLLEGES AND TRADE SCHOOLS DEFEND AND EXPAND SOCIAL SECURITY, MEDICARE, AND MEDICAID ENSURE PAID VACATION TIME, SICK TIME, FAMILY LEAVE, CHILDCARE FIGHT FOR RACIAL JUSTICE PROTECT WOMEN’S RIGHTS COMBAT HOMELESSNESS POLICE REFORM ENACT COMMON-SENSE GUN REGULATION VOTING RIGHTS ABOLISH ICE END CORRUPTION REFORM OUR CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM IMPLEMENT COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM STOP SELLING ARMS TO HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATORS END THE FAILED WAR ON DRUGS ABOLISH THE DEATH PENALTY DEMOCRACY REFORM OPPOSE BIGOTRY DEFEND NET NEUTRALITY What are you so afraid of pro golfer?[/quote] Now this is interesting...... So I'm clear TT, this is your wishlist? This is a platform you would support?The candidate who would address these issues through their policies would get you vote? [/quote] While I realize that no candidate will address or embrace all these things, this is a great starting point. And although it's not explicitly listed - campaign finance reform and ending citizens united is pretty crucial to my list. Now please mark - please tell me how Bernie is against everything on this list... |
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Title: Re: What is the difference? Post by WebsterMark on 04/16/19 at 08:28:11 Now please mark - please tell me how Bernie is against everything on this list... How the hell would I know?.... Is he, isn't he? You tell me. I was just looking through the list and thinking how ridiculous some of the are and how others are perfectly aligned with any Republican platform. |
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Title: Re: What is the difference? Post by T And T Garage on 04/16/19 at 08:38:47 576562737465724D61726B000 wrote:
Too bad the ones aligned with the republicans are just words to them. |
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Title: Re: What is the difference? Post by WebsterMark on 04/16/19 at 08:54:41 GREEN NEW DEAL – Childish fantasy. SECURE A LIVING WAGE AND TIE IT TO INFLATION – No. Frankly, society doesn’t need unskilled entry level jobs to pay enough to live on. ENACT A FEDERAL JOBS GUARANTEE- Absolute nonsense. No one has a guarantee. REBUILD OUR CRUMBLING INFRASTRUCTURE - Sure BLOCK BAD TRADE DEALS – sure, Trump’s dong that. END TAX DODGING AND LOOPHOLES – Sure, I’d consider a genuine flat tax END UNNECESSARY WARS AND NATION BUILDING - Sure MEDICARE FOR ALL – I’d consider options. FREE PUBLIC COLLEGES AND TRADE SCHOOLS – No, nonsense. All that would do is make colleges equivalent to high schools. DEFEND AND EXPAND SOCIAL SECURITY, MEDICARE, AND MEDICAID – Give people control over their social security. ENSURE PAID VACATION TIME, SICK TIME, FAMILY LEAVE, CHILDCARE – I don’t know, never thought much about it FIGHT FOR RACIAL JUSTICE – When a lie like Hands Up, Don’t Shoot is perpetuated by those ‘fighting for racial justice”, we don’t need anymore of that. PROTECT WOMEN’S RIGHTS – Sure, unborn female babies too. COMBAT HOMELESSNESS - Sure POLICE REFORM - sure ENACT COMMON-SENSE GUN REGULATION- we already have that VOTING RIGHTS – Sure. Enact ID laws. ABOLISH ICE – Nope. END CORRUPTION – Sure, have at it. But you better be prepared to fire everybody. Again, childish fantasy. REFORM OUR CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM - sure IMPLEMENT COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM – sure, build a wall. Deport any illegal convicted of a felony, cancel all asylum claims for anyone from central and south America until wall is built and legal procedures in place to deport criminal illegals. STOP SELLING ARMS TO HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATORS – Whose a human right violator? Israel? END THE FAILED WAR ON DRUGS – Nope. Not ready to give up on another generation. ABOLISH THE DEATH PENALTY – Sure, I’m in favor of that. DEMOCRACY REFORM – Not sure what that means. OPPOSE BIGOTRY – Sure, Trump does. DEFEND NET NEUTRALITY – don’t know enough about the issue to comment. |
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Title: Re: What is the difference? Post by T And T Garage on 04/16/19 at 09:15:43 Nice responses mark. Good to see you have the fox "news" playbook memorized. |
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Title: Re: What is the difference? Post by WebsterMark on 04/16/19 at 09:57:40 Good to see you have the fox "news" playbook memorized. 1) Dog whistle 2) Man-crush 3) Fox news Find new phrases to fall back on when you've got nothing else. Oh, and don't offer any reasonable rebuttal. |
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Title: Re: What is the difference? Post by T And T Garage on 04/16/19 at 15:03:42 192B2C3D3A2B3C032F3C254E0 wrote:
Rebuttal to what? Your inane critique of the Justice Democrats platform? Not worth my time. The OP was a made up list of what the morons on the right think that all dems want. It's just another lie from the right. Clueless doesn't begin to explain them. |
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Title: Re: What is the difference? Post by Eegore on 04/16/19 at 19:58:17 "FREE PUBLIC COLLEGES AND TRADE SCHOOLS – No, nonsense. All that would do is make colleges equivalent to high schools." This is a good way to put that. |
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Title: Re: What is the difference? Post by LostArtist on 04/18/19 at 09:09:46 78585A524F583D0 wrote:
and as companies continue to require more and more for entry level jobs.... what's wrong with that? |
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Title: Re: What is the difference? Post by LostArtist on 04/18/19 at 09:56:52 744641505746516E425148230 wrote:
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