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Message started by oldNslow on 04/03/19 at 13:28:19

Title: anyone remember this fiasco?
Post by oldNslow on 04/03/19 at 13:28:19

There was a pretty long discussion about this on here when it happened.

Not law enforcement's finest hour.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/03/us/waco-motorcycle-gang-shootout.html

Title: Re: anyone remember this fiasco?
Post by verslagen1 on 04/03/19 at 14:15:51

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McLennan County, the City of Waco, Mr. Reyna and others are defendants in lawsuits filed in Federal District Court by more than 100 bikers, who say that their civil rights were violated because they were arrested without probable cause. A judge in Waco ruled in November that the lawsuits could proceed.

couldn't even be bothered to press charges on the 2 targeted gangs.

Title: Re: anyone remember this fiasco?
Post by thumperclone on 04/03/19 at 15:42:50

help this slo cranium remember
leo raided a establishment and the 2%ers inside fought back??

Title: Re: anyone remember this fiasco?
Post by Eegore on 04/03/19 at 16:46:31

leo raided a establishment and the 2%ers inside fought back

No.

The Cossacks and the Banditos engaged in a shootout during a planned meeting in a location that served the public. (Twin Peaks restaurant)

More LEO were placed on duty and near the area to monitor it, but the initial outbreak of violence was by the motorcycle club members who also engaged in gunfire with LEO that responded to the initial violence.

LEO did not raid anything.

There are some unconfirmed statements about that LEO were randomly firing assault rifles into the crowd. I've heard other stories that can't be confirmed, such as CIA agents planted in the MC groups to instigate violence, and that LEO informed staff at Twin Peaks "to be ready for gunfire" hours before the bikes arrived.

Title: Re: anyone remember this fiasco?
Post by oldNslow on 04/03/19 at 17:02:45

4E524F574A5F48595655545F3A0 wrote:

help this slo cranium remember
leo raided a establishment and the 2%ers inside fought back??

No. No raid. A fight broke out at a gathering of multiple biker groups involving members of two of the groups. Shots were fired. Nine people were killed.There were police stationed in the vicinity because they were allegedly "expecting trouble" Nobody shot at the police, who were, if I remember correctly, across the parking lot outside the building.

Yet, when the autopsy results were finally released after months of stonewalling by the DA and the police chief, it was revealed that four of the nine guys shot dead were shot by the cops. 5.56 bullets from AR type rifles. You know. The ones the cops have. None of the bikers involved had ARs. There were none in the pile of weapons confiscated.

Some of the cops on the scene apparently shot at the bikers to keep them from shooting each other. I don't know how the law works in Texas, but in most places the police aint supposed to do that.

When the dust cleared EVERYONE that was on the property and looked like they might be a bike club member was arested and taken to jail. 177 people. Charged with some kind of racketeering BS. Bail was set at 1 million dollars for everyone arrested.

All the motorcycles still in the parking lot after the arrests were hauled off to the police impound lot.

Some of those guys sat in jail for weeks or months waiting for bail reduction hearings so that they could get out of jail and go back to their jobs, families etc. while they waited for a court date. Some waited for years for a trial. Some of them lost their jobs. Who knows how may got their bike back, and in what shape the bikes were in when that happened.

Don't forget that - regardless of how you might feel about motorcycle gangs - these were folks that in our system of justice are presumed innocent until it's proven that they are not.

You can see the end result in the Post article. After four years, who knows how much wasted money on both the accused and the accusers parts, no convictions, all charges dismissed.

And coming down the pike are a bunch of lawsuits that are going to wind up costing the taxpayers in Waco a crapton of money.

Because of an idiot DA and an idiot police chief. Neither of whom will face any personal financial consequences for the debacle.

If that's not a grade A clusterf*ck, I've never seen one.

Title: Re: anyone remember this fiasco?
Post by pg on 04/03/19 at 19:24:50

I remember that everyone who owned a motorcycle in the vicinity was arrested, a lot of innocent people were in jail for a long time. I didn't realize all the charges were dismissed. Regarding the 5.56, if something bad goes down and you have a weapon, they will be obliged you.....

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