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Title: Smart Guy Post by T And T Garage on 04/02/19 at 16:56:49 For some reason, this got deleted - why? The man has some great points. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kqqTHs397Y[/media] |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by pg on 04/02/19 at 18:40:13 485659585548534E3C0 wrote:
Like what, feel free to elaborate. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by T And T Garage on 04/02/19 at 19:55:39 7067616D6272000 wrote:
Like what, feel free to elaborate. Best regards,[/quote] Watch the video, see for yourself. Don't worry, it's a safe-zone video. LOL |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by pg on 04/03/19 at 06:39:35 6E707F7E736E75681A0 wrote:
Like what, feel free to elaborate. Best regards,[/quote] Watch the video, see for yourself. Don't worry, it's a safe-zone video. LOL [/quote] I did watch it and I see very little merit. Micro-aggressions, how pitiful!! Again, feel free to elaborate..... Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by T And T Garage on 04/03/19 at 07:39:37 2D3A3C303F2F5D0 wrote:
Like what, feel free to elaborate. Best regards,[/quote] Watch the video, see for yourself. Don't worry, it's a safe-zone video. LOL [/quote] I did watch it and I see very little merit. Micro-aggressions, how pitiful!! Again, feel free to elaborate..... Best regards,[/quote] Obviously the video is lost on you. No surprise. The gist is this - These MAGA hat wearers are now feeling threatened. They've gone so far as to make an app for their "safe zones". Well boo-fukcing-hoo. That crowd has used intimidation, fear and all out violence towards anyone they deem as "not them" - LGBT, Muslims, Democrats, etc. (did you happen to see that little march in Charlottesville where they were carrying torches and yelling "Jews will not replace us"?) Now, they're getting a small taste what it feels like to be intimidated and afraid. It's about comeuppance. This is only the beginning pro golfer. |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by pg on 04/03/19 at 18:53:26 You sure seem to have a certain fervor for malicious tactics. Do you cheer when anitifa assaults people with bike locks and such? Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by T And T Garage on 04/04/19 at 05:50:52 6671777B7464160 wrote:
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by WebsterMark on 04/04/19 at 05:54:44 524C43424F524954260 wrote:
[/quote] We're you around back then PG? |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by pg on 04/04/19 at 07:54:57 0F3D3A2B2C3D2A15392A33580 wrote:
[/quote] We're you around back then PG? [/quote] No, I wan't around then nor do I support or condone violence unless it is in self defence. However, I do remember T&T vowing support to for Antifa in the past. That group clearly engages physical violence, damages property, and employs harassment as a standard tactic. Hence, the bike lock inquiry. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by T And T Garage on 04/04/19 at 08:27:20 2C3B3D313E2E5C0 wrote:
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by pg on 04/04/19 at 17:25:56 485659585548534E3C0 wrote:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/man-wearing-maga-hat-says-woman-berated-him-at-california-starbucks-for-supporting-trump Is this the comeuppance or fate that he deserved? She called a 74 year old Jew a Nazi and told him to get the F out of the store. Also, does this constitute anti-Semitism? Well done T&T!! Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by T And T Garage on 04/04/19 at 19:10:33 2334323E3121530 wrote:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/man-wearing-maga-hat-says-woman-berated-him-at-california-starbucks-for-supporting-trump Is this the comeuppance or fate that he deserved? She called a 74 year old Jew a Nazi and told him to get the F out of the store. Also, does this constitute anti-Semitism? Well done T&T!! Best regards,[/quote] I don't condone this extreme behaviour. Do you condone this: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ups4FeSuHvY[/media] |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by pg on 04/05/19 at 03:08:15 Try to stay on topic, your not going to skate that easy. You started this thread, you stated "It's about comeuppance" (with glee I may add), and you have voiced support to antifa in the past. You own it! Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by T And T Garage on 04/05/19 at 05:51:15 2037313D3222500 wrote:
Yes, I support antifa. I support any organization that is against fascism, why don't you? I don't support violence that sometimes happens, but I support calling out bigotry, racists, homophobes and fascists. Yeah, I own the fact that all these "tough guys" in their maga hats now feel threatened and look for "safe spaces" to hang out. Exactly what they accused the "snowflake liberals" of doing. I love how it's come back on them and that they are now experiencing the same thing that they've been raining on those that are different from them. Typical maga(ts). Karma's a b!tch, ain't it? |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by Eegore on 04/05/19 at 06:38:07 "I don't support violence that sometimes happens, but I support calling out bigotry, racists, homophobes and fascists." That's similar to saying I support White Supremacy, however I do not support the violence that sometimes happens from it. Antifa is anti-fascism, but pro-violence by looking at historical activity from the group. Just as any White Supremacy group can claim they are non-violent, Antifa can claim the same. I for one am just in support of non-violent, low impact expression. I may agree with anti-fascist philosophy but I won't support a group that assaults others or damages property to express the message. |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by T And T Garage on 04/05/19 at 08:46:16 4B6B69617C6B0E0 wrote:
That's pretty much what I've said form the start. The ideology of antifa is what I've always agreed with. Not the violence. But that doesn't fit the narrative of some of the folks on here. |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by Eegore on 04/05/19 at 09:12:01 I should have clarified I meant recent Antifa activity in the US. Antifa was rather dormant in US culture for decades so the recent attention is primarily focused on the violence, which has increased drastically. To me it's like saying I support PETA's ideals of treating animals ethically, yet not supporting the break-ins and vandalism. I use the domestic terrorism report from the Government Accountability Office as a primary resource and cross-reference with the FBI DI report and 6 others. https://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by T And T Garage on 04/05/19 at 10:13:11 6444464E5344210 wrote:
I'm not questioning the legitimacy of the claim that there's a heightened risk of violence with an antifa presence (in recent times). What I'm defending is the core value of the movement - anti-fascism. Never have I condoned any violence - unless it's used in self defense. I'm not sure how anyone can argue with what antifa stands for. |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by pg on 04/06/19 at 14:32:08 362827262B362D30420 wrote:
Their stated focus is fighting opposing ideologies directly, rather than through electoral means. Notice he didn't mention harassment, vandalism, and property damage... Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by T And T Garage on 04/07/19 at 06:33:27 2A3D3B3738285A0 wrote:
Their stated focus is fighting opposing ideologies directly, rather than through electoral means. Notice he didn't mention harassment, vandalism, and property damage... Best regards, [/quote] Oh, I'm sorry pro golfer - let me spell it out for you - short of violence, I condone calling out fascism. Intimidation, protest, and any other means within the bounds of legal activities are fine by me. But I'm compassionate - I agree that the poor maga hat wearing snowflakes deserve their safe heavens though... :D |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by pg on 04/07/19 at 12:11:03 253B343538253E23510 wrote: Oh, I'm sorry pro golfer - let me spell it out for you - short of violence, I condone calling out fascism. Intimidation, protest, and any other means within the bounds of legal activities are fine by me. You must condone the treatment of the Covington kids in DC..... What did you say in another post? Karma is a pregnant dog.... They will settle out of court; however, they will be worth $$$. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by T And T Garage on 04/08/19 at 05:45:08 6374727E7161130 wrote:
Oh, I'm sorry pro golfer - let me spell it out for you - short of violence, I condone calling out fascism. Intimidation, protest, and any other means within the bounds of legal activities are fine by me. You must condone the treatment of the Covington kids in DC..... What did you say in another post? Karma is a pregnant dog.... They will settle out of court; however, they will be worth $$$. Best regards, [/quote] I condone calling out racism, fascism, bigotry, stupidity and a hos of other things. I don't condone violence. Why do you have such a tough time understanding pro golfer? |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by pg on 04/10/19 at 06:21:29 435D52535E435845370 wrote:
Evidently, this individual does not agree with that statement. https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-09/he-was-just-gushing-blood-man-maga-hat-retaliates-against-hat-flipper-using-samurai Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by T And T Garage on 04/10/19 at 07:14:06 1106000C0313610 wrote:
Evidently, this individual does not agree with that statement. https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-09/he-was-just-gushing-blood-man-maga-hat-retaliates-against-hat-flipper-using-samurai Best regards,[/quote] A maga(t) with a sword is a dangerous situation waiting to happen. So, do you condone this? |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by pg on 04/10/19 at 18:10:50 6C727D7C716C776A180 wrote:
Evidently, this individual does not agree with that statement. https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-09/he-was-just-gushing-blood-man-maga-hat-retaliates-against-hat-flipper-using-samurai Best regards,[/quote] A maga(t) with a sword is a dangerous situation waiting to happen. So, do you condone this? [/quote] I do not condone this violence; however, if you harrass people you may provoke a responce you may not appreciate. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by T And T Garage on 04/10/19 at 18:32:16 7B6C6A6669790B0 wrote:
Evidently, this individual does not agree with that statement. https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-09/he-was-just-gushing-blood-man-maga-hat-retaliates-against-hat-flipper-using-samurai Best regards,[/quote] A maga(t) with a sword is a dangerous situation waiting to happen. So, do you condone this? [/quote] I do not condone this violence; however, if you harrass people you may provoke a responce you may not appreciate. Best regards, [/quote] Doesn't make it legal or right. |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by pg on 04/10/19 at 19:00:23 243A353439243F22500 wrote:
Evidently, this individual does not agree with that statement. https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-09/he-was-just-gushing-blood-man-maga-hat-retaliates-against-hat-flipper-using-samurai Best regards,[/quote] A maga(t) with a sword is a dangerous situation waiting to happen. So, do you condone this? [/quote] I do not condone this violence; however, if you harrass people you may provoke a responce you may not appreciate. Best regards, [/quote] Doesn't make it legal or right. [/quote] Wow, the Antifa supporter is trying to take the high road...... Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by Eegore on 04/10/19 at 19:55:12 "Wow, the Antifa supporter is trying to take the high road...…" What specifically is the problem with being anti-fascist? |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by pg on 04/11/19 at 03:40:10 79595B534E593C0 wrote:
Supporting anti-fascist values and supporting Antifa is a different matter in of in itself. In his aforementioned post he supports intimidation as long as it is legal. Does that specifically address the issue? That individual knowingly and willingly put themselves into a precarious position. So did all these people.... https://dailycaller.com/2018/08/20/anti-trump-attacks-harassment-2018/ Sooner or later you will antagonize the wrong person. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by Eegore on 04/11/19 at 05:42:46 "In his aforementioned post he supports intimidation as long as it is legal." So it's not anti-fascism but the process that's the issue. |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by T And T Garage on 04/11/19 at 05:46:30 3027212D2232400 wrote:
Supporting anti-fascist values and supporting Antifa is a different matter in of in itself. In his aforementioned post he supports intimidation as long as it is legal. Does that specifically address the issue? Is protest intimidation? I'd say that it is. Is calling out someone in public intimidation? I'd say that it is. (you wouldn't call out someone pissing on the sidewalk?) That individual knowingly and willingly put themselves into a precarious position. So did all these people.... https://dailycaller.com/2018/08/20/anti-trump-attacks-harassment-2018/ Funny list - have you ever read trump's twitter feed? It's far worse than this "snowflake" list. Gotta do better than that. Sooner or later you will antagonize the wrong person. Best regards, [/quote] So let me get this straight - it's cool to retaliate violently if you're a trump supporter that's provoked, but if you're anti-trump it's not ok? Seriously? Hypocrisy much? |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by Eegore on 04/11/19 at 05:56:36 For every article showing people who harassed Trump supporters there is another showing the opposite. Took less than a minute. https://americasvoice.org/trumphatemap/ The real issue is people want to leave out the parts where their viewpoint commits wrongdoing as well. Its easier to maintain a victim status when one cherry-picks the data. |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by WebsterMark on 04/11/19 at 06:06:51 No Eegore. The obvious fact is Trump supporters face verbal and physical altercations in far, far greater numbers. It's not a debatable point. Hell, I could go through newspapers of the Jim Crow days and find an instance where a black man lashed out at a white man, but no one whould say "well, the violence happens on both sides. see this story?" If all we had to do all day was look at every news outlet across the nation to prove this, we could. Surely you don't think the style of intimidation of both sides is equal, do you? |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by T And T Garage on 04/11/19 at 07:55:38 407275646372655A76657C170 wrote:
Not speaking for Eegore - but I'd say that yes - it is. It wasn't always. For a while, the maga crowd was far worse. Can you sit there and deny that trump didn't incite violence at his campaign rallies? (we can easily go to the videos) His encouragement of his rabid base led many to violence. That cluster fukc of a rally in Charlottesville is just one example. If maga(ts) feel threatened by others - that's on them. A majority of their crowd are well deserving of criticism. |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by WebsterMark on 04/11/19 at 08:15:23 Not speaking for Eegore - but I'd say that yes - it is. You are arguing that 2+2=5. this was from yesterday. Can you show me a group of conservative students shouting down an open meeting of a group with a liberal point of view. Oh, and absolutely no repercussions from the school afterwards. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vS2Vwp4A7ck For every example you show me of conservatives acting like the video above, I'll find 3 liberal groups. |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by WebsterMark on 04/11/19 at 08:24:51 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6DKONujQwU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-dKiDybMcE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7VG919ttTA and this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoCyiQeHfZg Find me four like this. and when you do, I'll find dozens of more like mine. Go ahead, take this bet. |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by T And T Garage on 04/11/19 at 09:23:26 4F7D7A6B6C7D6A55796A73180 wrote:
Well mark, I have to say - there are a lot more examples of protests against the right wing than the left. But your boys have the market cornered on killing. Bravo! [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5bZhYuGRvk[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-yxRLVWsLg[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfUf1soIsrA[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbTNpGmZ_08[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLufi33mnsE[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfOCRZw3JA8[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBO9pdb3q4w[/media] |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by LostArtist on 04/11/19 at 09:26:15 Mark, you always complain about democrats playing the victim, heck you just posted a thread where Candace Owens shames the democrats for playing identity politics and using fear mongering of white nationalism to stir up sympathy and support.... and here you are... doing the same thing only for you red hatted folk.... you really are quit oblivious to the hypocrisy you preach but you're also delusional and think the left are more violent than the right even though every statistical source says otherwise by a LONG LONG shot you don't get to have your own facts. stop it |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by T And T Garage on 04/11/19 at 09:36:26 [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J_1Wqzqt4I[/media] |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by T And T Garage on 04/11/19 at 09:41:52 http://www.businessinsider.com/proud-boys-antifa-fight-nyc-video-2018-10 |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by LostArtist on 04/11/19 at 10:01:41 576562737465724D61726B000 wrote:
so you admit, in history, the say 100 years between the end of the Civil War and the Civil Rights movement that conservatives (democrats or not, there used to be conservative democrats) were more violent, and maybe that with those 100 years of legal racism, maybe perhaps some systemic rules and regulations and laws and traditions might have been passed that we mostly ignore until we are forced to change, so, how many rules, regulations, laws, and traditions might have a racist tinge to them over those 100+years?? think it might take more than 100 years to clean all those up? |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by WebsterMark on 04/11/19 at 10:17:53 Well mark, I have to say - there are a lot more examples of protests against the right wing than the left. I'm sorry, are you calling this protest? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoCyiQeHfZg |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by LostArtist on 04/11/19 at 12:21:44 like this: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWa2iyKVwEY[/media] |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by LostArtist on 04/11/19 at 12:42:50 or: Violence at Tea Party rally: bare-knuckle politics in the streets https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2009/1118/violence-at-tea-party-rally-bare-knuckle-politics-in-the-streets |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by LostArtist on 04/11/19 at 12:48:28 and seriously is the right wing media just filling you with all this kinda fear mongering crap? and you're just eating it up, digging it all up , like that silly video you showed of some idiot kicking another kid or something... it'd be like me reporting to you all the harassment lgbtq people got in high schools and in the 80s and 90s, not to mention all the actual violence done to them that didn't get reported back when there wasn't a YouTube... and by far, the right is WAY more dangerous, you guys have many many many more murders on your hands than the left, DEAL WITH IT and quit being a victim of your own sides' fear mongering propaganda |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by WebsterMark on 04/11/19 at 13:07:34 like that silly video you showed of some idiot kicking another kid or something https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoCyiQeHfZg That's some idiot kicking another kid or something huh?... |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by LostArtist on 04/11/19 at 13:30:15 102225343322350A26352C470 wrote:
not that video, the one from the last time we had this stupid debate. oh, hey, is that guy still alive??? oh, so he wasn't MURDERED like your side does then...... |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by pg on 04/11/19 at 14:56:21 716F60616C716A77050 wrote:
Supporting anti-fascist values and supporting Antifa is a different matter in of in itself. In his aforementioned post he supports intimidation as long as it is legal. Does that specifically address the issue? Is protest intimidation? I'd say that it is. Is calling out someone in public intimidation? I'd say that it is. (you wouldn't call out someone pissing on the sidewalk?) That individual knowingly and willingly put themselves into a precarious position. So did all these people.... https://dailycaller.com/2018/08/20/anti-trump-attacks-harassment-2018/ Funny list - have you ever read trump's twitter feed? It's far worse than this "snowflake" list. Gotta do better than that. Sooner or later you will antagonize the wrong person. Best regards, [/quote] So let me get this straight - it's cool to retaliate violently if you're a trump supporter that's provoked, but if you're anti-trump it's not ok? Seriously? Hypocrisy much? [/quote] Did I say it was cool? No I did not. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by T And T Garage on 04/11/19 at 14:57:45 6B7C7A7679691B0 wrote:
Did I say it was cool? No I did not. Best regards, [/quote] Well pro golfer, you sure as hell didn't shun it. |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by WebsterMark on 04/12/19 at 04:37:44 Another attack last night. Conservative speaker at UMKC had his talk interrupted when a liberal leftist threw bleach at his face...... Face it leftist, own it. Your pedigree is violence against those you have philosophical differences with. None of those videos you posted compare to what I put up as evidence. A couple of news shows citing "evidence" from some monitoring group that attacks are up but have no video or police reports to prove it are more fake news. The reality is your constant references to Hitler and Nazis are behind these nearly daily attacks. FYI, these are not protest incidents. As far as your ridiculous comments about deaths, remember, if it weren't for a couple of quick think DC cops, you'd have a dozen or so dead Senators and Congressman thanks to a crazed Bernie freak who heard your dog whistle messages to attack. |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by Eegore on 04/12/19 at 05:03:53 Well just one day here should be proof enough that anecdotal evidence for both sides exists, and will continue to exist. Since you require video or paperwork as proof of crime I am out since I use verifiable data across 4 spectrums to average my numbers. I do not get hundreds of thousands of police reports and videos to post as this is terribly inefficient. And at that even if I did, I bet a lot of those police reports would be "fabricated" or "fake" if they presented data that didn't agree with the ideas that exist here. |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by WebsterMark on 04/12/19 at 05:36:36 Well just one day here should be proof enough that anecdotal evidence for both sides exists, and will continue to exist. No. When you say that, you leave the impression that there is an equality involved here and there simply is not. |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by T And T Garage on 04/12/19 at 05:47:28 586A6D7C7B6A7D426E7D640F0 wrote:
You have us beat when it comes to killings - congrats. |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by Eegore on 04/12/19 at 06:00:41 "No. When you say that, you leave the impression that there is an equality involved here and there simply is not." To clarify: This conversation is exclusively about anecdotal evidence. People are establishing the outcome prior to in-depth verifiable and reviewed research and as such are finding information on the internet that enforces their predicted outcome. This is not meant to imply that there will be exactly the same amount of violence for each party, as in there will not be exactly 10,000 murders from each side, versus 9,999 and 10,001. Bottom line is nobody is doing actual research, you are all just digging up articles and videos to "prove" a point that nobody in their right mind would accept using the miniscule amount of information anyone has provided here. The general defense is "I shouldn't have to do research/provide more information because its so obvious anyone can see it..." or "Fake". So what's the point? You both disagree, and will just dig up more info that the other will counter... again. Then if other information comes up it will be unreliable, fake, or incorrect. |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by WebsterMark on 04/12/19 at 07:14:31 You have us beat when it comes to killings - congrats. Simply not true. |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by T And T Garage on 04/12/19 at 08:21:29 615354454253447B57445D360 wrote:
Yes mark, it is true. Right wingers have killed far more that left wingers. |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by WebsterMark on 04/12/19 at 08:33:28 nope. |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by T And T Garage on 04/12/19 at 09:22:46 4C7E79686F7E69567A69701B0 wrote:
Yup - they have. But please, just keep shaking your head "no" - that makes it true to you. |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by WebsterMark on 04/12/19 at 11:47:36 Yea, and Kavanaugh ran rape parties all summer when he was 17......Sorry but your credibility with facts is zero. |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by T And T Garage on 04/12/19 at 12:55:56 0F3D3A2B2C3D2A15392A33580 wrote:
Whataboutisms won't save you here mark. The fact (yes, FACT) is - right wing hate groups kill more people. End of story. |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by LostArtist on 04/12/19 at 13:36:52 7D4F48595E4F58674B58412A0 wrote:
he didn't start those until he was in a frat at harvard (or whatever ivy league thingy extension school he went to was) ... sheeesssshhh . at least get it right if you're going to laugh at frat rape... (which we all know never happens..... ::) ) |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by pg on 04/12/19 at 14:24:20 5F414E4F425F44592B0 wrote:
Are you sure about that? Communist regimes killed 80M - 100M non-combative citizens the last century. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by T And T Garage on 04/15/19 at 05:56:42 382F29252A3A480 wrote:
Are you sure about that? Communist regimes killed 80M - 100M non-combative citizens the last century. Best regards, [/quote] Recent history. Right-wingers have killed more. End of story. |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by LostArtist on 04/15/19 at 16:48:46 5F414E4F425F44592B0 wrote:
Are you sure about that? Communist regimes killed 80M - 100M non-combative citizens the last century. Best regards, [/quote] Recent history. Right-wingers have killed more. End of story. [/quote] Also, those are State actions, which we weren't talking about, we were talking about individuals aka terrorists. cause I know for people as old as PG and webstermark and JOG... that is in their recent history.... they haven't learned anything since they were 18..... ( I shouldn't say that... yet it feels right, and yeah, maybe 25 instead of 18.... either way, they are stuck in the past with their beloved leader of "making America great "again" " |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by MnSpring on 04/15/19 at 16:52:33 6B4854536655534E5453270 wrote:
Are you all-right Lost ? Who is holding your Beer ? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by WebsterMark on 04/15/19 at 18:49:39 302E21202D302B36440 wrote:
Are you sure about that? Communist regimes killed 80M - 100M non-combative citizens the last century. Best regards, [/quote] Recent history. Right-wingers have killed more. End of story. [/quote] Nope. |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by T And T Garage on 04/16/19 at 08:28:19 0B393E2F28392E113D2E375C0 wrote:
Are you sure about that? Communist regimes killed 80M - 100M non-combative citizens the last century. Best regards, [/quote] Recent history. Right-wingers have killed more. End of story. [/quote] Nope.[/quote] Gee whiz mark - I can't possibly argue with that! That's right up there with my grandchild covering their ears saying "I can't hear you la, la, la" Very effective! :D |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by MnSpring on 04/16/19 at 16:30:32 150B040508150E13610 wrote:
tt why don't you PROVE what you claim ! You tell others to, 'prove' something all the time. It is now YOUR turn ! Prove what you say ! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by T And T Garage on 04/17/19 at 08:51:15 4A695477756E6960070 wrote:
tt why don't you PROVE what you claim ! You tell others to, 'prove' something all the time. It is now YOUR turn ! Prove what you say ! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D[/quote] Here you go: http://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/its-time-to-confront-the-threat-of-right-wing-terrorism http://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2019/03/18/is-right-wing-terrorism-on-the-rise-in-the-west http://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/homegrown-terrorists-2018-were-almost-all-right-wing/581284/ http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/security/reports/2019/03/07/467022/confronting-domestic-right-wing-terrorist-threat/ I've got plenty more if you'd like. Now, do you need me to read them to you mn? |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by WebsterMark on 04/17/19 at 09:14:12 Ok, so the first link, the New Yorker article, was crap left wing opinion. The links in the article did not list the 50 murders they referenced leaving me to trust their ability to ascertain the political spectrum of the attacker. No thanks, I'm not going to trust them. A simple test would be did they include the killers of the Dallas police officers in their totals for left wing violence? If not, then this first link is garbage. |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by WebsterMark on 04/17/19 at 09:15:58 Second link required subscription to see the whole article so can't say if its valid or not |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by WebsterMark on 04/17/19 at 09:17:35 Third link cites the same research as the first so thats worthless as well. |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by WebsterMark on 04/17/19 at 09:22:34 and the fourth link cites the same research from the anti-defamation league. So if you have more like you say, why don't you post this research by them which every other article cites and then goes on to blame Trump while they remain quiet about the influence of the left's constant references to Trump as Hitler and celebrating chasing Republicans out of restaurants.... |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by T And T Garage on 04/17/19 at 09:48:08 536166777061764965766F040 wrote:
Just own it mark - right wing terrorism has killed more people in the US in recent years than Muslim extremists. http://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/03/new-zealand-mosque-attacks-global-right-wing-terrorism.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/right-wing-terrorists-murder-far-right-islamist-anti-defamation-league-adl-a8742476.html White supremacists carried out 39 of the extremist killings in America last year, according to ADL, although it noted one of those had become interested in radical Islam before stabbing a 13-year-old to death in Florida in March. Eleven of those murdered in 2018 were worshippers shot dead at the Tree of Life synagogue on Pittsburgh in October. The suspected shooter, Robert Bowers, 46, allegedly shouted antisemitic abuse as he carried out the attack. In February, 17 people were killed in the Parkland school shooting in Florida by Nikolas Cruz, who police said held “extremist” views. Cruz had posted racist and Islamophobic comments on social media and, according to the ADL also had links to white supremacism. For the first time, ADL’s annual summary of extremist killings also includes violence allegedly inspired by the so-called “incel” movement, a misogynistic online community in which “involuntarily celibate” men often express anger over their inability to form relationships with women. In November, two women were shot dead at a Florida yoga studio by Scott Beierle, who had posted videos online complaining about the “collective treachery” of women and suggesting they should be “punished” with “crucifixion”. If you think that the Anti-defamation league's numbers are somehow wrong, then prove it. The numbers are facts mark. The right wing kills more. End of story. |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by WebsterMark on 04/17/19 at 10:01:17 Did they or did they not include the Dallas police officers murders in their report under left wing violence. Yes or no? |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by T And T Garage on 04/17/19 at 10:32:02 0E3C3B2A2D3C2B14382B32590 wrote:
Doesn't matter. Right wing still "wins" in killings. |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by MnSpring on 04/17/19 at 10:35:52 677976777A677C61130 wrote:
On post # 52, YOU said: You have us beat when it comes to killings - congrats. On post # 55, YOU said: Right wingers have killed far more that left wingers. On post # 59, YOU said: right wing hate groups kill more people. NOW; Post # 73, YOU said: right wing terrorism has killed more people in the US in recent years than Muslim extremists. Typical tt ‘Spin’ and Troll. LOLOL CHANGING what you said, cause you are losing. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by T And T Garage on 04/17/19 at 10:46:47 5C7F426163787F76110 wrote:
On post # 52, YOU said: You have us beat when it comes to killings - congrats. On post # 55, YOU said: Right wingers have killed far more that left wingers. On post # 59, YOU said: right wing hate groups kill more people. NOW; Post # 73, YOU said: right wing terrorism has killed more people in the US in recent years than Muslim extremists. Typical tt ‘Spin’ and Troll. LOLOL CHANGING what you said, cause you are losing. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D [/quote] Huh? I hate to break it to you mn - but BOTH statements are true. Try to keep up, huh? |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by WebsterMark on 04/17/19 at 11:44:33 504E41404D504B56240 wrote:
Doesn't matter. Right wing still "wins" in killings.[/quote] It doesn't matter?! So if this organization classifies certain events based upon their political biases, that doesn't matter to you? I see.....this is how we stats like the 97% global warming consensus. So, I reject your evidence. It's a falsehood, a lie, which you are repeating. |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by T And T Garage on 04/17/19 at 13:48:38 685A5D4C4B5A4D725E4D543F0 wrote:
Doesn't matter. Right wing still "wins" in killings.[/quote] It doesn't matter?! So if this organization classifies certain events based upon their political biases, that doesn't matter to you? I see.....this is how we stats like the 97% global warming consensus. So, I reject your evidence. It's a falsehood, a lie, which you are repeating.[/quote] LOL - talk about spin! Face it mark - the right wing killings in recent history in this country far surpass all other groups. End. Of. Story. |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by LostArtist on 04/17/19 at 14:05:49 54774A696B70777E190 wrote:
On post # 52, YOU said: You have us beat when it comes to killings - congrats. On post # 55, YOU said: Right wingers have killed far more that left wingers. On post # 59, YOU said: right wing hate groups kill more people. NOW; Post # 73, YOU said: right wing terrorism has killed more people in the US in recent years than Muslim extremists. Typical tt ‘Spin’ and Troll. LOLOL CHANGING what you said, cause you are losing. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D [/quote] um, that's ALL the same thing idiot |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by LostArtist on 04/17/19 at 14:09:14 0B393E2F28392E113D2E375C0 wrote:
Doesn't matter. Right wing still "wins" in killings.[/quote] It doesn't matter?! So if this organization classifies certain events based upon their political biases, that doesn't matter to you? I see.....this is how we stats like the 97% global warming consensus. So, I reject your evidence. It's a falsehood, a lie, which you are repeating.[/quote] if it's close enough that 5 deaths change the balance.... yeah, don't think so and again, here you are rejecting evidence, science, numbers... it's all fake news to you cause it doesn't support your side.... hack |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by pg on 04/17/19 at 14:12:54 667877767B667D60120 wrote:
What is scope and assessment criteria? Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by MnSpring on 04/17/19 at 14:17:56 So if one person says, Doesn't matter, Than it, Doesn't matter ? Yet if another person says, Doesn't matter, than it really does matter ? (Spock where are you) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by LostArtist on 04/17/19 at 14:36:07 http://https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqiIoCoXQAA2aES.jpg http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-q5v-40uFRRo/UaOmLCL0lpI/AAAAAAAAAME/ArHcVJpC7uU/s1600/deathtoll.png http://https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/Pi8wgD76eUDmWFwOfilzMPjT8mU=/1400x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/9371549/Domestic_terrorism_incidents_by_type.png |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/17/19 at 14:48:23 YEAH, ADL, phhhht |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by MnSpring on 04/17/19 at 15:00:34 Oh Yea, excellent, ' left-center bias ', With the maker of that chart, and gatherer of facts. As some would say: 'Doesn't matter' ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by MnSpring on 04/17/19 at 15:12:44 'The Investigate Fund', is part of, "The Nation' "media sources are moderately to strongly biased toward liberal causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may utilize strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports and omit reporting of information that may damage liberal causes." Just to be sure that lost can read this: "... omit reporting of information that may damage liberal causes..." |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by T And T Garage on 04/17/19 at 15:16:26 746B6D6A7770417141796B672C1E0 wrote:
Prove the data wrong, or own the fact that right wing hate groups have killed more than any other in recent history. |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by T And T Garage on 04/17/19 at 15:19:11 082B1635372C2B22450 wrote:
Seriously? A commentary on liberals is all you got? Sorry mn - the data speaks for itself. Facts don't care whether you believe them or not. |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by pg on 04/17/19 at 15:26:37 4750565A5545370 wrote:
What is scope and assessment criteria? Best regards, [/quote] Just want to make sure the field goal posts stay in the stadium.... Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by T And T Garage on 04/17/19 at 15:39:28 485F59555A4A380 wrote:
What is scope and assessment criteria? Best regards, [/quote] Just want to make sure the field goal posts stay in the stadium.... Best regards,[/quote] Right-wing terrorists killed three times more people in US than Islamists in past decade with attacks soaring in 2018 |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by MnSpring on 04/17/19 at 15:47:02 And, another change !!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by T And T Garage on 04/17/19 at 15:55:08 0B281536342F2821460 wrote:
How is that a change? I posted that article on this thread. Please, explain. |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by LostArtist on 04/17/19 at 15:58:57 6374727E7161130 wrote:
What is scope and assessment criteria? Best regards, [/quote] Just want to make sure the field goal posts stay in the stadium.... Best regards,[/quote] PLEASE!!! like that matters, you'll just change to whataboutism or "I dismiss your evidence..." or some other BS tactic to get out of actually facing reality, it's your side that uses whataboutism to move the goal posts in every discussion |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by pg on 04/18/19 at 03:59:49 6A747B7A776A716C1E0 wrote:
What is scope and assessment criteria? Best regards, [/quote] Just want to make sure the field goal posts stay in the stadium.... Best regards,[/quote] Right-wing terrorists killed three times more people in US than Islamists in past decade with attacks soaring in 2018[/quote] Henceforth the reason for my inquiry regarding parameters, you excluded the entire demographic that shares your views. Let’s see some DATA….. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by WebsterMark on 04/18/19 at 05:04:00 485F59555A4A380 wrote:
What is scope and assessment criteria? Best regards, [/quote] The Scope and Assessment Criteria is whatever their bias allow them to see. Sorry, but if they didn't put the Dallas police officers murders under the left wing spectrum, then what else didn't they put? Its BS. |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by WebsterMark on 04/18/19 at 05:15:50 So, if the white kid who killed the people in the church is placed in the right wing totals, then any murders of a black man killing a white man where there is any evidence of ravial animus on his part should logically be placed on the left side. Question: Did the report which seems to be the sole basis for every article's claim do that? If not, the numbers don't mean anything. |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by T And T Garage on 04/18/19 at 05:30:38 340601101706112E021108630 wrote:
What is scope and assessment criteria? Best regards, [/quote] The Scope and Assessment Criteria is whatever their bias allow them to see. Sorry, but if they didn't put the Dallas police officers murders under the left wing spectrum, then what else didn't they put? Its BS. [/quote] No - this is the scope and assessment criteria: Right-wing terrorists killed three times more people in US than Islamists in past decade with attacks soaring in 2018 |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by T And T Garage on 04/18/19 at 05:32:00 6C5E59484F5E49765A49503B0 wrote:
LOL - and you talk about the left spin?? Face it mark - right wing hate groups have killed more than any others in the last decade. |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by WebsterMark on 04/18/19 at 05:34:07 https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/10943/anti-defamation-league-adl I know my leftist friends won't read the link above but the origin of the report they cite as proof of right wing murder is the ADL run by a former Obama advisor closely involved with Obama's left wing position on Israel for example. The head of The ADL does not ven pretend to hide his hatred for Tump and conservatives any longer now that violence against Republicans has gone mainstream. But lets view the ADL through the same lenses my friends TT,LOST, Sew etc... will view the Mueller repott in just a couple hours. Because Barr is a Republican, the redactions will automatically be assumed to be done to favor Trump. That will be the basis for their upcoming spin. Yet, if I make the same claim against the ADL, they'll dismiss it. Mr Hypocrisy will yell the loudest of course. |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by T And T Garage on 04/18/19 at 05:47:15 063433222534231C30233A510 wrote:
LOL - seriously mark, I'm not sure why you bother. It's obvious to anyone with half a brain that right wing hate groups (and right wing extremists) are responsible for more killings than any other group in the last decade. You can sit and spin all you want and try to discredit the ADL - that makes no difference. The facts are the facts. But you go ahead and keep squirming. |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by WebsterMark on 04/18/19 at 06:14:16 You have the mainstream liberal media on your side so its easy for you to point to a group they've decided is the definitive voice on the matter. You're being fooled and what's worse, you have evidence in front of you to question their conclusions, but you will not investigate. You are more comfortable in your little cocoon made with spin from fellow leftist. It's okay, those of us on the Right will continue this nation moving forward and we'll let you come along for the ride. Like a child in the back seat of a car, we'll drive you where you need to go. No need to thank me... You're welcome. |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/18/19 at 07:18:07 Like a kicking and screaming child strapped in the back seat of a car, we'll drive you where you need to go. No need to thank me... You're welcome. |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by T And T Garage on 04/18/19 at 07:52:24 182A2D3C3B2A3D022E3D244F0 wrote:
Seems Cleopatra's not the only "queen of denial"! LOL - no worries mark, maybe the right wingers will come around someday and stop killing to get their point across. |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by Serowbot on 04/18/19 at 07:54:43 6F4C50576251574A5057230 wrote:
idiot[/quote] We're not doing this anymore... Serow |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by LostArtist on 04/18/19 at 08:55:48 5345524F57424F54200 wrote:
idiot[/quote] We're not doing this anymore... Serow[/quote] post removed, my apologies |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by pg on 04/18/19 at 13:43:18 3126202C2333410 wrote:
What is scope and assessment criteria? Best regards, [/quote] Just want to make sure the field goal posts stay in the stadium.... Best regards,[/quote] Right-wing terrorists killed three times more people in US than Islamists in past decade with attacks soaring in 2018[/quote] Henceforth the reason for my inquiry regarding parameters, you excluded the entire demographic that shares your views. Let’s see some DATA….. Best regards, [/quote] No DATA huh.......... Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by T And T Garage on 04/18/19 at 14:07:05 4F585E525D4D3F0 wrote:
What is scope and assessment criteria? Best regards, [/quote] Just want to make sure the field goal posts stay in the stadium.... Best regards,[/quote] Right-wing terrorists killed three times more people in US than Islamists in past decade with attacks soaring in 2018[/quote] Henceforth the reason for my inquiry regarding parameters, you excluded the entire demographic that shares your views. Let’s see some DATA….. Best regards, [/quote] No DATA huh.......... Best regards,[/quote] Not sure how much more data you need. Read the posts - it's all right there. Do you need to see every police report? :D |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by WebsterMark on 04/18/19 at 14:46:14 The Anti-Defamation League is the source of the data and it is biased and unreliable. Our friend TT will ignore the question about the Dallas police officers murders because he is afraid to find out if the report included those. If they did, where did they put them and why. Actually, that's not true, he's not afraid of the truth. He will simply ignore the truth and keep parroting the MSM's false narrative. Much as we've seen during this whole collision mess. Once it became clear there was no collusion, all the talk about Trump and the Russians is deleted from his mind and he seamlessly switches gears to obstruction. It's like catching a child in a lie. |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by T And T Garage on 04/18/19 at 15:02:01 0B393E2F28392E113D2E375C0 wrote:
Well mark - even with that report, the sheer number of killings from the right wing outnumber everyone. Such a fervent defense of such an obvious hate group. You poor guy - someone must really have your number. |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by T And T Garage on 04/18/19 at 15:26:06 Fine..... Scott Beierle conducted a shooting spree at a yoga studio, killing two and wounding or injuring five more before killing himself on November 2, 2018, in Tallahassee, FL, Beierle, who had posted racist and misogynistic videos to YouTube, appears to have been motivated by the extreme misogyny of the “manosphere.” White supremacist Robert Gregory Bowers, 46, conducted a deadly shooting spree October 27, 2018, in Pittsburgh, PA, at the Tree of Life synagogue, killing 11 and wounding seven more. Bowers appears to have been motivated by anti-Semitic and anti-immigrant convictions. Jeremy James Shaw, 39, of Tacoma, allegedly conspired with his wife, Lorena Shaw, 37, to kill a Renton, Washington, man and steal his house and property on September 19, 2018. Shaw was a white supremacist who owned a business called Aryan Enterprises. White supremacist Joden Rocco, 24, was charged with homicide after allegedly fatally stabbing an African-American man walking down the sidewalk outside a bar on August 19, 2018, in Pittsburgh, PA. Rocco had earlier posted a video in which he allegedly claimed that he and others were going to go to bars to see how many times they could say the n-word before being kicked out., On August 11, 2018, in Sumter, SC, Demetrius Alexander Brown, allegedly a self-proclaimed sovereign citizen, shot and killed a man at an automobile repair shop following a dispute., Richard Starry, 61, shot and killed four people who were family members or family connections in two locations around Robstown, TX, before killing himself on July 27, 2018. According to a media source, Starry, who had an extensive criminal record, had belonged to a white supremacist group while in prison. James Mathis and Amanda Gail Oakes allegedly killed their six-month-old son and put his body in a freezer in a hotel on June 4, 2018, in Dothan, AL, before fleeing to Florida where they were arrested. Mathis was reportedly a member of the Ghost Face Gangsters, a Georgia-based white supremacist prison gang. Malachi Qaadir Dorns, 19, an alleged self-proclaimed sovereign citizen, reportedly used a knife to kill his brother and wound his mother following an argument on May 11, 2018, in Athens, GA. Roger Melvin Tackett, 44, walked into the Abingdon, VA, residence of an acquaintance on May 4, 2018, and shot him to death during a dispute. According to poice, Tackett has multiple white supremacist tattoos. Jason Auvenshine, 47, killed a man on a skateboard in an auto collision then fled the scene on March 24, 2018, in Port Aransas, TX. Prosecutors said Auvenshine was a member of a white supremacist prison gang and even had a gang manual in his vehicle at the time of the collision. In May 2018, Auvenshine was convicted of intoxication manslaughter and failure to stop and render assistance and received two concurrent life sentences. John Daniel Carothers, a resident of a Veteran Affairs assisted living home in Murfreesboro, TN, and a white supremacist, allegedly killed his African-American roommate by setting him on fire on March 17, 2018. He has been charged with first degree murder, aggravated arson and eight counts of reckless endangerment., Corey Johnson, 17, allegedly went on a stabbing rampage during a sleepover at a Palm Beach Gardens, FL, house, killing a 13-year old child and severely injuring two others on March 12, 2018. Johnson had long been obsessed with Nazis and white supremacists and within the past year had also become interested in radical Islam and a fan of Anwar al-Awlaki. Johnson allegedly subsequently told investigators he had carried out the stabbings because of his Muslim faith. He has been charged with first degree murder and attempted first degree murder., Nikolas Cruz, 19, conducted a shooting spree at his former high school, Marjory Stoneman Douglas High, in Parkland, FL, killing 17 and wounding 17 more. Cruz was a budding white supremacist — though that does not appear to have been the motive for his February 14, 2018, shooting spree. Samuel Woodward, 20, a member of the white supremacist group Atomwaffen, allegedly stabbed to death a former high school classmate of his who was gay and Jewish on January 2, 2018, in Orange County, FL. Woodward has been charged with murder and a hate crime enhancement. There is also an abundance of reports about right-wing extremism that was stopped before slayings occurred In a chilling postscript to Robert Bowers’ murderous October shooting spree at the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh, authorities in Washington, D.C., arrested one of his on-line associates, Jeffrey Clark, Jr. After family members contacted law enforcement out of concern that Clark, 30, might become violent, he was arrested and charged on November 9, 2018 with illegal transportation of a firearm across state lines, possession of an illegal high-capacity magazine, and unlawful use of a controlled substance (methamphetamine). Clark was among the hundreds of white supremacists who showed up for the violent Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia. Dakota Reed, 20, of Monroe, Washington, was charged with malicious harassment—Washington’s hate crime statute—and making bomb threats in December 2018. Authorities also seized a cache of firearms, ammunition and white supremacist propaganda from Reed’s residence. Elizabeth LeCron and Vincent Armstrong of Toledo, Ohio, were arrested in December 2018 on multiple charges related to a plot to blow up Toledo bar in order to cause mass casualties. The couple was fascinated by mass killers, including Roof. LeCron created a Tumblr account called “CharlestonChurchMiracle” and even corresponded with Dylann Roof by mail, telling him to “be strong” after he murdered nine people in a racially motivated shooting spree at the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, South Carolina, in 2015. The perpetrator of one of 2018’s deadly shooting sprees, at a yoga studio in Tallahassee, was connected to the misogynistic incel/manosphere movement. In the wake of this attack and a similarly-motivated killing spree in Toronto, Canada, ADL’s COE now tracks such incidents as extremist-related killings and has updated its database to include an earlier incel-linked incident, Elliot Rodger’s 2014 shooting spree. Firearms remain the weapon of choice for extremists who kill. Guns were responsible for 42 of the 50 deaths in 2018, followed by blades or edged weapons. |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by verslagen1 on 04/18/19 at 15:26:20 Until the data is fully disclosed, there's no point in discussing the issue. Because I'm sure that while they can figure out how to discern Islamic vs left, they will lump all alt right groups as being a single group to further a falsehood. No one will accept nazies as a part of their group. |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by LostArtist on 04/18/19 at 15:35:38 oh hey, check it out, the Investigative Fund uses The Heritage Foundation as one of their sources THE HATE REPORT How we analyzed domestic terror incidents By David Neiwert, The Investigative Fund / June 22, 2017 "To build our Homegrown Terror database, we obtained data from a variety of sources: the Congressional Research Service, the FBI, DT Analytics, The Heritage Foundation, the Investigative Project on Terrorism, New America, Mother Jones, the Muslim Public Affairs Council, the Southern Poverty Law Center, the Anti-Defamation League, the National Abortion Federation and the Animal Liberation Front’s own website. In addition, we set up news filters and searched journalism databases to scoop up missing incidents, using search terms such as “Islamist,” “sovereign citizen,” “Oath Keeper,” “ecoterrorism” and so on." https://www.revealnews.org/blog/how-we-analyzed-domestic-terror-incidents/ |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by pg on 04/19/19 at 04:09:15 776966676A776C71030 wrote:
Real objective, you excluded all Muslim & Left wing violence. Rather pathetic..... Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by pg on 04/19/19 at 04:34:35 Malachi Qaadir Dorns, 19, an alleged self-proclaimed sovereign citizen, reportedly used a knife to kill his brother and wound his mother following an argument on May 11, 2018, in Athens, GA. Nikolas Cruz, 19, conducted a shooting spree at his former high school, Marjory Stoneman Douglas High, in Parkland, FL, killing 17 and wounding 17 more. Cruz was a budding white supremacist — though that does not appear to have been the motive for his February 14, 2018, shooting spree. Firearms remain the weapon of choice for extremists who kill. Guns were responsible for 42 of the 50 deaths in 2018, followed by blades or edged weapons. Wow, I am stunned! A guy killed his brother with a knife. In your own post about the Hispanic white supremacist, “it does not appear to be the motive.” Wow, violent people choose guns, no kidding… If you are going to lump everything together, you can classify all that violence in Chicago as left wing. How many murders in that democrat bastion of liberalism? Regarding the Islam, here ya go… https://thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/american-attacks.aspx Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by Matchless G11 on 04/19/19 at 04:39:33 0724383F0A393F22383F4B0 wrote:
( Mother Jones, the Muslim Public Affairs Council, the Southern Poverty Law Center, the National Abortion Federation and the Animal Liberation Front’s ) Yea there are some real unbiased sources here I see...… There is a bridge in Brooklyn for sale. |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by Eegore on 04/19/19 at 05:42:58 Interesting nobody here has suggested using official, proven accurate resources such as the most scrutinized and reviewed crime-statistics on the planet. FBI crime data and UCR. UCR has verifiable data. Every crime indicated has backing to it and can be researched. Of course I am sure a lot of it is fake and fabricated since its from the government right? Better stick to YouTube where the real data is. https://www.fbi.gov/services/cjis/ucr https://www.fbi.gov/services/cjis/ucr/hate-crime https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/fbi-releases-preliminary-semiannual-crime-statistics-for-2018 |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by Matchless G11 on 04/19/19 at 06:22:45 To be fair Eegor Lost artist post included the group got info from the Fbi. But it looks like they were fishing for anything after that. At one time slpc was a credible group but sadly they have gone off the deep end with a almost Puritanical "the devil is every where!" witch hunt. I see the article they have claims to ~50 or so white supremist actions. some of them are rather questionable as pg has pointed out. Chicago murders 2019 were 539. I don't think too many right wing raciest people were involved. |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by Eegore on 04/19/19 at 06:47:49 "Lost artist post included the group got info from the Fbi." That is true, and they do outline how they categorize the events as well in the article. "But it looks like they were fishing for anything after that." Why? Is it the process they used to categorize, or the expert opinions, or just that SPLC was used? All I am saying is that the same information used in the debated article is useable for you. People question it, but are they looking at the same data, or just trolling YouTube to provide a counter point? |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by T And T Garage on 04/19/19 at 07:04:33 3C2B2D212E3E4C0 wrote:
Real objective, you excluded all Muslim & Left wing violence. Rather pathetic..... Best regards, [/quote] No, I didn't leave it out, the point of my post is that right wing violence trumps all other hate groups in killings in the last decade. The fact is, there just aren't that many instances of left wing killings. |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by T And T Garage on 04/19/19 at 07:08:43 554244484757250 wrote:
My post stands for itself. It shows the penchant of the right wing to resort to murder. |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by WebsterMark on 04/19/19 at 07:11:40 It shows you are a perfect candidate to work as a modern day journalist. |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by T And T Garage on 04/19/19 at 07:15:09 516364757263744B67746D060 wrote:
Well, then I guess I'll defer to Eegore on this one. Take a browse of the links he provides. |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by pg on 04/19/19 at 08:03:05 786669686578637E0C0 wrote:
Real objective, you excluded all Muslim & Left wing violence. Rather pathetic..... Best regards, [/quote] No, I didn't leave it out, the point of my post is that right wing violence trumps all other hate groups in killings in the last decade. The fact is, there just aren't that many instances of left wing killings. [/quote] Oops forgot all that Muslim violence as well, time to punt to Eegore. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by pg on 04/22/19 at 06:55:54 2334323E3121530 wrote:
Real objective, you excluded all Muslim & Left wing violence. Rather pathetic..... Best regards, [/quote] No, I didn't leave it out, the point of my post is that right wing violence trumps all other hate groups in killings in the last decade. The fact is, there just aren't that many instances of left wing killings. [/quote] Oops forgot all that Muslim violence as well, time to punt to Eegore. Best regards, [/quote] Do you want to recant your post? Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by MnSpring on 04/22/19 at 07:56:52 6F717E7F726F74691B0 wrote:
Don't believe the tt goalposts, are even in the stadium anymore. And in-between making a another notch on my belt this weekend. A search produced a (gee what a surprise), a 80/20 +/- 'reporting'. That's ok tt, just keep telling everybody, what TyT's tell you to say ! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by T And T Garage on 04/22/19 at 08:22:59 7F686E626D7D0F0 wrote:
Real objective, you excluded all Muslim & Left wing violence. Rather pathetic..... Best regards, [/quote] No, I didn't leave it out, the point of my post is that right wing violence trumps all other hate groups in killings in the last decade. The fact is, there just aren't that many instances of left wing killings. [/quote] Oops forgot all that Muslim violence as well, time to punt to Eegore. Best regards, [/quote] Do you want to recant your post? Best regards,[/quote] Nope, no reason to recant. The facts stand on their own merit. Right wingers have killed more. Period. End. Of. Story. |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by T And T Garage on 04/22/19 at 08:25:22 10330E2D2F34333A5D0 wrote:
Don't believe the tt goalposts, are even in the stadium anymore. And in-between making a another notch on my belt this weekend. A search produced a (gee what a surprise), a 80/20 +/- 'reporting'. What does that mean? How does that exonerate the right wingers? That's ok tt, just keep telling everybody, what TyT's tell you to say ! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D [/quote] Yeah mn, that would make you feel better, wouldn't it Fact is - none of this comes from TYT. Womp womp... |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by pg on 04/22/19 at 12:45:52 5D434C4D405D465B290 wrote:
Here is the redneck SOB who killed nearly 300 people. https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-22/jihadi-imam-who-planned-sri-lanka-bombings Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by T And T Garage on 04/22/19 at 13:14:47 7B6C6A6669790B0 wrote:
Here is the redneck SOB who killed nearly 300 people. https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-22/jihadi-imam-who-planned-sri-lanka-bombings Best regards,[/quote] I don't think that this was a redneck. But this isn't part of the conversation, is it? But please - keep trying to distract. Maybe some more people will make jokes. |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by MnSpring on 04/22/19 at 13:37:26 435D52535E435845370 wrote:
Would that be the same as what your Queen said? “What difference does it make?" |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by T And T Garage on 04/22/19 at 13:39:21 4B685576746F6861060 wrote:
Would that be the same as what your Queen said? “What difference does it make?" [/quote] No, it's not. (And who ever said Hillary was "my queen"?) Context mn. |
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Title: Re: Smart Guy Post by pg on 04/23/19 at 15:39:00 425C53525F425944360 wrote:
Here is the redneck SOB who killed nearly 300 people. https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-22/jihadi-imam-who-planned-sri-lanka-bombings Best regards,[/quote] I don't think that this was a redneck. But this isn't part of the conversation, is it? But please - keep trying to distract. Maybe some more people will make jokes. [/quote] It was a facetious comment, it was an Imam who planned all of the events..... Best regards, |
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