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Title: Trump threatens to close the border... Post by Serowbot on 03/29/19 at 11:12:01 Realty developers are not economists... :-/ |
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Title: Re: Trump threatens to close the border... Post by T And T Garage on 03/29/19 at 11:14:22 6D7B6C71697C716A1E0 wrote:
Agreed. Especially mediocre realty developers. |
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Title: Re: Trump threatens to close the border... Post by WebsterMark on 03/29/19 at 12:44:13 Trump's name is on buildings and land across the globe. You've known who he is for decades. Can you think of 3 or 4 others like him? No. Politicians have courted his support as did Hollywood and entertainment figures. If he were mediocre, you would have never heard of him, no network would have given him the time of day. Say what you want about Trump, but mediocre? Hardly. "Darn the pie is good in this café! Don't worry, I'll pick up the tab; my Trump tax refund came in." |
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Title: Re: Trump threatens to close the border... Post by Serowbot on 03/29/19 at 13:34:06 Trump is king of self promotion... not land development or any other kind of business... Most of those things with his name on them around the world, are his in name only. Most enterprises he did,... failed miserably... The emperor has no clothes... "Pass the tea." |
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Title: Re: Trump threatens to close the border... Post by MnSpring on 03/29/19 at 13:52:29 5046514C54414C57230 wrote:
Na, they didn't. And one huge Glaring success, which the people that Hate Trump, Never, talk about. Central Park Skating Rink. Oh, Desert Diamond Casino - Sahuarita, April 5th. Where are your seats ? |
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Title: Re: Trump threatens to close the border... Post by Eegore on 03/29/19 at 14:04:27 "Where are your seats ?" Section 103 row B |
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Title: Re: Trump threatens to close the border... Post by WebsterMark on 03/29/19 at 14:41:15 Most enterprises he did,... failed miserably... That's not true. |
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Title: Re: Trump threatens to close the border... Post by Serowbot on 03/29/19 at 14:59:46 4565676F7265000 wrote:
Section My house row My couch... Never heard of this guy... Ron White ________________________________ http://https://pics.onsizzle.com/i-ask-you-to-judge-my-father-by-his-results-5751862.png "Are there scones?"... |
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Title: Re: Trump threatens to close the border... Post by WebsterMark on 03/30/19 at 05:15:11 Trump owns or has licensed his name to over 500 different companies. 4 bankruptcies in 25 years? That's not a bad record. And the other lies and distortions aren't very original, like the oldie but goodie; Called all Mexicans rapists. No he didn't. The only legit one on here is 7. Most of the others you'd find true of any multimillionaire/billionaire businessman in America. You don't think you'll find illegals working for every major American corporation? You don't think every major business has lawsuits with contractors? Come on now... "Good cafe. Good coffee, hot and bitter, like Michelle" |
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Title: Re: Trump threatens to close the border... Post by Serowbot on 03/30/19 at 09:03:13 596B6C7D7A6B7C436F7C650E0 wrote:
So you think Trump University was legit?... Trump casino, airline, vodka, steaks, football, board game, were brilliant successes?... You probably also believe he did it all with just a "small", million dollar loan from daddy... ;D ;D ;D Get real, Web... support him if you want, but don't blow smoke... |
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Title: Re: Trump threatens to close the border... Post by T And T Garage on 03/30/19 at 09:42:44 645651404756417E524158330 wrote:
"This cafe is really nice - easy to get into - just like melania." |
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Title: Re: Trump threatens to close the border... Post by Serowbot on 03/30/19 at 09:55:58 170906070A170C11630 wrote:
"Pass me a napkin,...you made my coffee come out my nose"... ;D |
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Title: Re: Trump threatens to close the border... Post by MnSpring on 03/30/19 at 16:56:18 3523342931242932460 wrote:
"Pass me a napkin,...you made my coffee come out my nose"... ;D[/quote] Walking into a Cafe, sitting down at the counter, Waitress comes over asks what would you like. I say Coffee, she asks how would you like it. I say 'Michelle', the Waitress asks, what is that. I say: "Black and Bitter" |
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Title: Re: Trump threatens to close the border... Post by WebsterMark on 03/31/19 at 07:07:39 This cafe is really nice - easy to get into - just like melania." In your dreams...... Good one though. |
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Title: Re: Trump threatens to close the border... Post by pg on 03/31/19 at 11:24:56 Back to the topic on hand.... Here is a legitimate question for the left. Just how many people in a caravan would be to many for you to condone entrance into the US? I'm serious, please quantify! Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Trump threatens to close the border... Post by MnSpring on 03/31/19 at 11:42:06 6D7A7C707F6F1D0 wrote:
One person on here, regarding the law/s, concerning entering a country illegally, is all for applying the, rule of law to everyone equally. So Stopping, and/or charging the, 'sneak' in people, with the crime they have committed, is treating everyone, equally. See: Re: 45 FTW!! Reply #85 |
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Title: Re: Trump threatens to close the border... Post by Serowbot on 03/31/19 at 12:02:38 How many in the caravan would you turn down?... what criteria?... They are looking for asylum,... our Constitution grants that right. Pub's are all over the Constitution went it suits them... ;D Not when it don't... :-? |
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Title: Re: Trump threatens to close the border... Post by MnSpring on 03/31/19 at 12:53:52 2533243921343922560 wrote:
Not a problem, Which would you agree with. Number 1, 2, 3 1. Someone comes to the boarder, asks for asylum. They do what ever is done as to the vetting paperwork. When the form/application/identification/etc is complete, and they are approved. Then they come accost. 2. Someone comes to the boarder, asks for asylum. They do what ever is done as to the vetting paperwork. While they wait for the paperwork to be done. They are free to go wherever they want in this country, with the promise they will return, then go back accost, if it is found that the application is denied, false or they lied on it. 3. Someone comes to the boarder, asks for asylum. They do what ever is done as to the vetting paperwork. While they wait for the paperwork to be done. They come accost, and are put in a place, in this country, and all their needs are taken care of, until they are vetted/paperwork/etc is done. I am voting for #1. |
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Title: Re: Trump threatens to close the border... Post by Eegore on 03/31/19 at 12:56:12 "Here is a legitimate question for the left. Just how many people in a caravan would be to many for you to condone entrance into the US? I'm serious, please quantify" Zero if done illegally. 100% if done legally and the resources exist to integrate them safely. I would need a cost-assessment, staffing allocation, geographical location, age/gender/health census of immigrants, DHHS protocol and a contingency plan to create a preliminary number. |
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Title: Re: Trump threatens to close the border... Post by T And T Garage on 03/31/19 at 14:08:42 7661676B6474060 wrote:
There aren't "too many". There are legal, and illegal. Asylum seekers should all be treated the same. Curious, did you ask these same questions when we had thousands come from Bosnia in the late 90's? |
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Title: Re: Trump threatens to close the border... Post by T And T Garage on 03/31/19 at 14:09:52 71526F4C4E55525B3C0 wrote:
One person on here, regarding the law/s, concerning entering a country illegally, is all for applying the, rule of law to everyone equally. So Stopping, and/or charging the, 'sneak' in people, with the crime they have committed, is treating everyone, equally. See: Re: 45 FTW!! Reply #85 [/quote] For the record, seeking asylum is not "sneaking". |
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Title: Re: Trump threatens to close the border... Post by pg on 03/31/19 at 15:32:10 574946474A574C51230 wrote:
There aren't "too many". There are legal, and illegal. Asylum seekers should all be treated the same. Curious, did you ask these same questions when we had thousands come from Bosnia in the late 90's? [/quote] Another disparaging comment about people of Slavic decent. Do you suffer from some kind of Slavaphobia? An asylum seeker is a type of migrant and may be a refugee, a displaced person, but not an economic migrant. Migrants are not necessarily asylum seekers. Asylum has two basic requirements. First, an asylum applicant must establish that he or she fears persecution in their home country. Second, the applicant must prove that he or she would be persecuted on account of one of five protected grounds: race, religion, nationality, political opinion, or particular social group. I contend the vast majority of the people seeking entry into the US via the southern border are economic migrants seeking a better life and do not qualify for asylum based on protected grounds. And back to my orignal question. Let's say 100 million people we seeking asylum and met the criteria, would you let them in? Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Trump threatens to close the border... Post by MnSpring on 03/31/19 at 16:23:52 637D72737E637865170 wrote:
So these, are people seeking, Asylum ? ‘…According to Bureau officials, smugglers and other illegal aliens in route from Mexico have established more than 50 illegal roads through the monument that damage plants. In addition, the illegal aliens and smugglers have abandoned about 600 vehicles each year and leave behind waste that creates biohazards…” https://www.desertinvasion.us/invasion_pictures/invasion_tohono.html “…One land management official described another federal property on Arizona’s border as so unsafe and with resources so destroyed that it is now primarily used for illegal activities and no longer visited by the legal public. …” The above is the West part of the Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument. From the National Web Site. "...Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument is a safe place to visit. However, illegal border crossings and activities, including drug smuggling, occur daily..." tt, What is your pick, of what should be done, as post # 17 ? |
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Title: Re: Trump threatens to close the border... Post by T And T Garage on 03/31/19 at 16:58:06 5D4A4C404F5F2D0 wrote:
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Title: Re: Trump threatens to close the border... Post by T And T Garage on 03/31/19 at 17:04:40 5F7C4162607B7C75120 wrote:
So these, are people seeking, Asylum ? ‘…According to Bureau officials, smugglers and other illegal aliens in route from Mexico have established more than 50 illegal roads through the monument that damage plants. In addition, the illegal aliens and smugglers have abandoned about 600 vehicles each year and leave behind waste that creates biohazards…” https://www.desertinvasion.us/invasion_pictures/invasion_tohono.html “…One land management official described another federal property on Arizona’s border as so unsafe and with resources so destroyed that it is now primarily used for illegal activities and no longer visited by the legal public. …” The above is the West part of the Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument. From the National Web Site. "...Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument is a safe place to visit. However, illegal border crossings and activities, including drug smuggling, occur daily..." tt, What is your pick, of what should be done, as post # 17 ? [/quote] It's a simple answer mn. If they try to come here illegally, then they should be sent back. If they are seeking asylum, then they should be vetted the way every other asylum seeker is treated. Further, those who use illegal immigrants as part of their labor force should be held accountable as well. (but keep it real - Southern California Arizona,, New Mexico and Texas utilize a bunch of illegals in their workforce) You assume that all democrats are for "open borders" - we're not. But you can't treat every single case as black or white. There are (probably) hundreds of thousands of kids who were brought here illegally and then grew up as only knowing the US as their home. There has to be a better path to citizenship for them. |
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Title: Re: Trump threatens to close the border... Post by pg on 03/31/19 at 19:11:05 3B252A2B263B203D4F0 wrote:
[/quote] It is not feasible to compare immigration from the Bosnia during the Balkan wars to current issues on the southern border. The primary reason is the quantity of the migration and because a definitive end could be concluded. The problem with the southern border has been transpiring for decades. It is estimated that 12 million illegal immigrants predominantly from Mexico are in the US, I believe this is understated. The total migration from Bosnia was 130,000. This month we are on pace for 100,000 apprehensions on the southern border. Jeh Johnson confirmed this and said the average migration figure was 30k – 40k per month when he was at the helm. It has been at this level for years. I don’t condone these migration numbers regardless of where they come from. I assure you if millions of Bosnians wanted to come the US, I would have not problem turning that boat around. Henceforth, I have no problem eliminating all immigration for a short period and implementing a merit based system. The premise of the system is to permit immigration if they applicant has a special skill set that will benefit the host country. I have lived on the border and I have been to Mexico. In summary, I have first hand knowledge of problems and issues on the border. Also, how did unmitigated migration work out for the Native American population? Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Trump threatens to close the border... Post by T And T Garage on 03/31/19 at 20:29:52 594E48444B5B290 wrote:
Well, like I've said over an over - we're not talking about unmitigated immigration. What makes this country great is not trump and his trumpettes... it's the diversity and acceptance of people of all races, nations and creeds. |
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Title: Re: Trump threatens to close the border... Post by WebsterMark on 04/01/19 at 05:00:26 6472657860757863170 wrote:
I'm not sure that's true. I don't recall the Constitution guaranteeing asylum, does it? Does it guarantee a hearing? I don't think so. I'm thinking this was a court case later that somehow got stretched into a few thinking the Constitution says something it doesn't. Besides, if its not mentioned specifically, wouldn't the 10th amendment apply, that this is a state's right? Granted, the 10th is routinely ignored ..... |
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Title: Re: Trump threatens to close the border... Post by WebsterMark on 04/01/19 at 05:14:42 You and I live in different Americas then. That's not the way we do it in my country. Immigration doesn't mean open borders and to close off our borders to a "merit system"? You must be joking. Yes, it is the way we do it in America, at least it was until Democrats found a voting block. Heck, thousands, tens of thousands were sent back on the ships they came in on at Ellis Island if they were deemed to be a likely drag on the nation. Back then they did a quick examination, today we have the means to do a real one but we're overwhelmed at the border. 100,000 in one month?! Not a crisis? You must be joking. Here's what we all know with absolute certainty: If legal and illegal immigrants from South and Central America voted 90% Republican, there would have been a Wall built with Bill Clinton's name on it within a year. Our liberal friends would be talking about how this immigration harms African American employment and is a drag on wages. In an interesting ironic twist, if Unions were as strong as they used to be, they'd send "union observers " to the border. Immigrants would suddenly have a strange case of widespread broken thumbs and the border would turn back into a ghost town..... |
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Title: Re: Trump threatens to close the border... Post by T And T Garage on 04/01/19 at 06:13:50 6D5F58494E5F48775B48513A0 wrote:
Once again, you ASSume far too much. The entire Obama-era saw a dramatic increase in arrests and deportations at the southern border. This is not a crisis. This is a political hack job to steal money to build a pointless wall. |
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Title: Re: Trump threatens to close the border... Post by WebsterMark on 04/01/19 at 06:19:17 Once again, you ASSume far too much. The entire Obama-era saw a dramatic increase in arrests and deportations at the southern border. What's the point of repeatedly capitalizing ASS and the word you? You did this to Mnspring I believe as well. "A hundred strangers pitching tents in this Cafe's parking log would be a crisis but a 20 million spreading throughout the country just means more cheap dishwashers for this café!" |
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Title: Re: Trump threatens to close the border... Post by T And T Garage on 04/01/19 at 06:26:15 7D4F48595E4F58674B58412A0 wrote:
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Title: Re: Trump threatens to close the border... Post by pg on 04/01/19 at 07:55:01 150B040508150E13610 wrote:
We are in fact talking about unmitigated immigration, 30K-100K per month for years per Jeh Johnson. With no end insight, I may add.... He even called it a crisis! https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-31/former-obama-official-admits-trump-right-we-have-crisis-our-southern-border Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Trump threatens to close the border... Post by T And T Garage on 04/01/19 at 08:22:46 7166606C6373010 wrote:
We are in fact talking about unmitigated immigration, 30K-100K per month for years per Jeh Johnson. With no end insight, I may add.... He even called it a crisis! https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-31/former-obama-official-admits-trump-right-we-have-crisis-our-southern-border Best regards,[/quote] No, it's not. Immigration has always been regulated. There is vetting in place. We don't have, nor ever will have, open borders. We've averaged 1.06 million immigrants per year since 2007. There is no "emergency". Even trump himself admitted he “didn’t need to do this,” and that he would simply rather build his wall “much faster.” Sorry, not buying it. |
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Title: Re: Trump threatens to close the border... Post by WebsterMark on 04/02/19 at 05:18:34 When we capture 100,000 in a month trying to sneak across the border, when we've got thousands living under bridges in government tents because there's so many, when we have US citizens murdered by illegals who have been captured and released, when we have an entired sub-economy based on illegal cash payments to illegal workerd, we've got a crisis. Yea, I get it, you want the votes but think through the ramifications. "Sorry but I'm not paying for this coffee and pie. We're brothers and sisters.....Feel the Burn baby!" |
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Title: Re: Trump threatens to close the border... Post by WebsterMark on 04/02/19 at 13:27:40 what the hell does that even mean??? try speaking English? but maybe your hands are too small and you can't finger they keyboard... hence you only grab them by the pu ssy since you have no more tact than that and no reasonable woman would let you touch them Talk to Sew and get up to speed. We've moved over to another table. I'll let those comments pass. |
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Title: Re: Trump threatens to close the border... Post by LostArtist on 04/02/19 at 14:56:25 4D7F78696E7F68577B68711A0 wrote:
how'd you get, "put your insulting comments in real small type at the end of your post" from anything Serow said I have no idea...... |
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Title: Re: Trump threatens to close the border... Post by pg on 04/02/19 at 16:14:52 716F60616C716A77050 wrote:
We are in fact talking about unmitigated immigration, 30K-100K per month for years per Jeh Johnson. With no end insight, I may add.... He even called it a crisis! https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-31/former-obama-official-admits-trump-right-we-have-crisis-our-southern-border Best regards,[/quote] We've averaged 1.06 million immigrants per year since 2007. There is no "emergency". [/quote] 1.06 million legal or illegal? Here is some food for thought. The total estimated illegal migration from Mexico is estimated at 12 million, I believe that is understated. Regardless, the population of Mexico is 125 million. Henceforth, nearly 1 in 10 people in Mexico came to the US illegally. Yes I would say we have a very big problem. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Trump threatens to close the border... Post by T And T Garage on 04/02/19 at 16:54:21 6A7D7B7778681A0 wrote:
We are in fact talking about unmitigated immigration, 30K-100K per month for years per Jeh Johnson. With no end insight, I may add.... He even called it a crisis! https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-31/former-obama-official-admits-trump-right-we-have-crisis-our-southern-border Best regards,[/quote] We've averaged 1.06 million immigrants per year since 2007. There is no "emergency". [/quote] 1.06 million legal or illegal? Here is some food for thought. The total estimated illegal migration from Mexico is estimated at 12 million, I believe that is understated. Regardless, the population of Mexico is 125 million. Henceforth, nearly 1 in 10 people in Mexico came to the US illegally. Yes I would say we have a very big problem. Best regards,[/quote] Immigrants = legal. No, there is no "very big problem". |
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Title: Re: Trump threatens to close the border... Post by Serowbot on 04/02/19 at 17:04:05 182A2D3C3B2A3D022E3D244F0 wrote:
"I don't want to admit it, but I'm too old for your font" |
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