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Title: Time for a reset... Post by Serowbot on 03/29/19 at 08:23:54 7F5F5D55485F3A0 wrote:
I estimate more than half of what is being said here recently is personal and insulting. Maybe it's time for a reset. Let's pretend we are all sitting in a cafe. There are no small children nearby, but still, we don't want be seen as rude idiots. And we don't want to be so insulting that we make one of our members get up and leave. Besides,.. the waitress is kinda' cute. Coffee is on Web by the way... (he's on an expense account)... Drink up,... Peace, Serow |
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Title: Re: Time for a reset... Post by WebsterMark on 03/29/19 at 09:03:37 5543544951444952260 wrote:
I estimate more than half of what is being said here recently is personal and insulting. Maybe it's time for a reset. Let's pretend we are all sitting in a cafe. There are no small children nearby, but still, we don't want be seen as rude idiots. And we don't want to be so insulting that we make one of our members get up and leave. Besides,.. the waitress is kinda' cute. Coffee is on Web by the way... (he's on an expense account)... Drink up,... Peace, Serow[/quote] Okay, I'll play. Starting now, at 11.02 CST. Last post was pointing out what a pathetic loser TT is so that's a good one to end on. PS: Starting now at 11:03 after that last sentence ;D..... |
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Title: Re: Time for a reset... Post by T And T Garage on 03/29/19 at 09:07:52 7F4D4A5B5C4D5A65495A43280 wrote:
Petty little boy - let's see how long this lasts. |
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Title: Re: Time for a reset... Post by T And T Garage on 03/29/19 at 09:14:43 Sero - I concur. But to be realistic, the only one who's adhered to this principle has been Eegore. I've always given back what I get. I'm not sure I can do it any other way. If someone pushes me, I push back. However, I'll be curious to see how this goes. Full disclosure, I will not curb my tongue when it comes to criticism of our president and his maga(t)s. |
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Title: Re: Time for a reset... Post by Eegore on 03/29/19 at 09:27:35 "However, I'll be curious to see how this goes." You should already know. You are not going to attempt change so the process on your end will continue and the only way anything will change is if somebody else does it, thus removing any cooperative measures. "If someone pushes me, I push back." This requires somebody else do the work of being respectful for you. |
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Title: Re: Time for a reset... Post by LostArtist on 03/29/19 at 09:28:13 I'm pretty much done talking here as it's completely futile. I ask a question I end up spending 5 pages describing the question.... no actual discussion happens cause people want to be pedantic and pick every little possibility of every little thing apart, Like Clinton asking "depends on what your definition of is is..." so, what's the sound of one hand clapping? http://www.quickmeme.com/img/8d/8df5c9f4ca6ea0bf296a7be444697281994cfac23dea260d5668eeacbff9f1d8.jpg |
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Title: Re: Time for a reset... Post by LostArtist on 03/29/19 at 09:29:30 7B5B59514C5B3E0 wrote:
people aren't robots |
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Title: Re: Time for a reset... Post by Eegore on 03/29/19 at 09:43:09 "people aren't robots " I agree. Also not being a robot doesn't change the assessment. I don't expect change because people here expect someone else to do it. I don't need to be respectful, I need other people to be respectful to me. That's what's happening here. |
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Title: Re: Time for a reset... Post by T And T Garage on 03/29/19 at 09:44:46 4666646C7166030 wrote:
Correction - to me, not for me. In my experience, respect is earned, not given out freely. Now, to be clear, since day one, you have always been respectful. Even when we have disagreed on things, I've never talked down to you - because you've never done that to me. Please, correct me if I'm wrong. Therefore, as I've said, I give what I get. Sorry, that's just my personality. Respect is a two way street in my town. But to be honest, you do have a point from before in how this is not how any of us (except perhaps you) would interact with someone. I've been in plenty of heated exchanges, face to face with others that oppose my viewpoints and instead of doing something I'd regret, I walk away or diffuse the situation with something like "...look, I'm not going to change your mind, and you're not going to change mine. Let's get off this subject." This is not exactly real life Eegore. We (as in you and I) can have respectful discourse, but I honestly don't know if that will ever extend any farther. I hope it does. We'll see. |
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Title: Re: Time for a reset... Post by WebsterMark on 03/29/19 at 09:57:45 All this requires is a Yes, I'm in or a No, I'm not. |
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Title: Re: Time for a reset... Post by Serowbot on 03/29/19 at 10:02:35 If you are willing,.. as a part of the effort, and as a reminder that we are at a cafe',... At the end of each post, or as often as you can remember, post a small comment that re-enforces the cafe surroundings. Particularly, any post in which you are tempted to offend or retaliate. "This pie is delicious" "Pass the sugar" "My coffee is getting cold" "Where's the waitress?"... Seriously,.. we should behave as if we were face to face, and in public. I haven't had a physical altercation since I was 20 or so... I doubt most of us have,.. or at least not often. Things said in here are too provocative for the real world. We are demeaning ourselves. Peace, Serow |
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Title: Re: Time for a reset... Post by Eegore on 03/29/19 at 10:41:22 "Correction - to me, not for me. In my experience, respect is earned, not given out freely." In my experience respect is earned by giving it out freely. I understand your position, I am just saying that having the parameter that I can become disrespectful once someone does it first means there is zero capacity for actual change. In this case the forums deteriorate because anyone can just type an offensive sentence. Should it be that easy? That's literally a formula that gives the responsibility of prolonged change to everyone else but me. People calling me names does nothing to me, as in my physical being and my capability to effect the world around me in a positive way. |
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Title: Re: Time for a reset... Post by Serowbot on 03/29/19 at 11:09:04 In some ways, we treat these forums as if they were video games, when we really shouldn't. You can shoot somebody in a video game and they come back to life. It is virtual. ...but the people here, although somewhat anonymous, are real, as are their opinions. Insults are not the virtual bullets of a shoot'em up video game, they leave a mark. They shouldn't but they do. Be mindful... Peace, Serow |
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Title: Re: Time for a reset... Post by T And T Garage on 03/29/19 at 11:12:51 1A3A38302D3A5F0 wrote:
I understand where you're coming from, completely. But, sometimes there needs to be a little passion in the conversation. Example: On several occasions, I've been called a liar - for no other reason than the person doing the name-calling didn't like or believe me. Unless you can prove that what I'm saying/inferring is a lie, there is no basis for the name-calling. (short of me saying something outrageous like "I can run 50 miles an hour"). Now, my response to that name-calling would probably be "prove it", perhaps with a little snark thrown in because I felt the name-caller was snarky to begin with. I would speculate that your response would probably be - not to respond. That's where we differ. Let's keep it real here Eegore - at some point, the conversation will degenerate into something that it shouldn't. Just like threads get hijacked - there will always be that one person who refuses to stay within the limits of good taste. That's not altogether a bad thing. Variety is the spice of life - when used in moderation. But hey - Here's to a better Tall Table! I'll try and do my part. |
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Title: Re: Time for a reset... Post by Eegore on 03/29/19 at 11:35:39 "there will always be that one person who refuses to stay within the limits of good taste" I think if the parameter of "I give what I get." is in play then there will always be two people who refuse to stay within the limit of good taste. For every person with that parameter we can add one more to that number. The only way to reduce the numbers is to respond respectfully without need of reciprocation. It's not required, it's just how the math works out. |
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Title: Re: Time for a reset... Post by Serowbot on 03/29/19 at 11:45:54 Somebody call Melania... ;D |
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Title: Re: Time for a reset... Post by T And T Garage on 03/30/19 at 09:37:19 5777757D6077120 wrote:
Agreed. As I said, I'll do my part. |
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Title: Re: Time for a reset... Post by thumperclone on 03/30/19 at 12:44:51 grab Alice and lets go out back by the dumpster don't bogart pass it this way |
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Title: Re: Time for a reset... Post by pg on 03/30/19 at 15:40:59 Why did anyone take the time write more than a sentence? This will last about 2 days..... More matter, less art! Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Time for a reset... Post by MnSpring on 03/30/19 at 16:39:22 6C727D7C716C776A180 wrote:
This cafe is really nice - easy to get into - just like melania. So the statement: 'I will not curb my tongue when it comes to criticism of our president and his maga(t)s. ' Is that statement a lie, because a very Recent Post, does not include, just, the POTUS. But the Presidents family. |
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Title: Re: Time for a reset... Post by Eegore on 03/30/19 at 19:26:31 "'I will not curb my tongue when it comes to criticism of our president and his maga(t)s. " He specifically indicated he would "not" curb his tongue. How is it a lie? |
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Title: Re: Time for a reset... Post by pg on 03/31/19 at 00:44:26 537371796473160 wrote:
Maybe not a lie; however, hypocritical and sanctimonious non the less in a thread dedicated to reasonable discourse. I’ll be civil with people, but only if I agree with them and they share my beliefs. Lets include an insult as well just for fun!! Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Time for a reset... Post by T And T Garage on 03/31/19 at 09:24:45 584F49454A5A280 wrote:
Maybe not a lie; however, hypocritical and sanctimonious non the less in a thread dedicated to reasonable discourse. I’ll be civil with people, but only if I agree with them and they share my beliefs. Lets include an insult as well just for fun!! Best regards,[/quote] First off - this isn't where I posted that line originally. Second, it was an echo of mark. You're fine calling Michelle black and bitter? Stop the hypocrisy for like one second, hmm? |
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Title: Re: Time for a reset... Post by MnSpring on 03/31/19 at 09:25:42 79595B534E593C0 wrote:
I consider it a 'LIE', because. 'criticism of our president' Is one person. ' and his maga(t)s.' Are people wearing the, red hat, attending rally's, donating, etc. The extremely crude, (Locker Room Talk) comment. 'easy to get into - just like melania' Is about, Family. Family of a POTUS, regardless of political affiliation. Has always been off limits. Unless one is extremely crude and rude. Rather clear that someone can do, 'Locker Room Talk' But if someone else does it, it is, ... ... ... ... What is that word again ? Oh Yea, Hypocrisy |
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Title: Re: Time for a reset... Post by T And T Garage on 03/31/19 at 09:30:48 5774496A6873747D1A0 wrote:
I consider it a 'LIE', because. 'criticism of our president' Is one person. ' and his maga(t)s.' Are people wearing the, red hat, attending rally's, donating, etc. OK then mn - then I'll reserve the right to criticize his wife too. OK? The extremely crude, (Locker Room Talk) comment. 'easy to get into - just like melania' Is about, Family. Family of a POTUS, regardless of political affiliation. Has always been off limits. Unless one is extremely crude and rude. Really? So the all those comments about Michelle are OK somehow? Why didn't you call out mark? Rather clear that someone can do, 'Locker Room Talk' But if someone else does it, it is, ... ... ... ... What is that word again ? Oh Yea, Hypocrisy [/quote] You should ask mark and the others on here that have made critical remarks of Michelle. Thanks. |
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Title: Re: Time for a reset... Post by pg on 03/31/19 at 11:20:14 756B646568756E73010 wrote:
Maybe not a lie; however, hypocritical and sanctimonious non the less in a thread dedicated to reasonable discourse. I’ll be civil with people, but only if I agree with them and they share my beliefs. Lets include an insult as well just for fun!! Best regards,[/quote] First off - this isn't where I posted that line originally. Second, it was an echo of mark. You're fine calling Michelle black and bitter? Stop the hypocrisy for like one second, hmm? [/quote] I think your getting this thread and the Schiff Kicking thread confused. Yes, the rebuttals are relentless. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Time for a reset... Post by Eegore on 03/31/19 at 12:47:18 I'm still not clear on the dishonesty as the sentence indicates the POTUS and his maga(s), versus stating POTUS and NOT his maga(s). I consider it a 'LIE', because. 'criticism of our president' Is one person. ' and his maga(t)s.' Are people wearing the, red hat, attending rally's, donating, etc. If I were to say "I will state my negative opinions about Howard Stern and his radiohead Followers." isn't that sentence including Stern AND followers? Is it specifically that I mentioned one person (Stern) that I can no longer include family of Stern and remain honest in that sentence? What if Stern's family follow him and listen to his radio programming? What if Trump's family have worn red hats or think he can Make America Great Again? |
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