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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Politics, Religion (Tall Table) >> Trump will tactically declare a national emergency /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1549269660 Message started by eau de sauvage on 02/04/19 at 00:41:00 |
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Title: Trump will tactically declare a national emergency Post by eau de sauvage on 02/04/19 at 00:41:00 The Republicans are threatening the emergency because the Democrat's 'won't compromise but Trump will'. But the Dems did compromise, they agreed to up their 1.3B on border security to the full 5.7b that Trump demanded, but there's no border wall. However the republicans compromise is making DACA's safe for another year or two. That's really just taking the pi55 There's no chance whatsoever of Trump getting this fcuking monument to his stupidity and the gullibility of Americans for letting him have a go at the controls. He will declare the emergency, it will be immediately challenged and that's Trump's only way out. He can then pretend that he will win in the end. It's 1. the only way out and 2. the perfect on going distraction, that is why he will call a pointless national emergency. However will the GOP let him? I'm going to say yes they will because they are gutless lying hypocrites in general. https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/03/trump-national-emergency-wall-hoeven-1144291 |
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Title: Re: Trump will tactically declare a national emerg Post by T And T Garage on 02/04/19 at 14:08:10 786A7E7D6A6C6E0B0 wrote:
There are no surprises in this sham of an administration anymore. I expect to see this idiot do pretty much anything to distract from his impending doom. |
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Title: Re: Trump will tactically declare a national emerg Post by MMRanch on 02/05/19 at 21:07:59 Interestingly Nancy has a wall around her home ? So , how do we get immigration under control ? If not with a wall then how ? :-? |
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Title: Re: Trump will tactically declare a national emerg Post by batman on 02/05/19 at 23:07:42 Maybe we should let them in , unless you're a native American ,that's how you got here. |
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Title: Re: Trump will tactically declare a national emerg Post by eau de sauvage on 02/06/19 at 00:54:40 I appear to be wrong on this one, Trump didn't even put up a decent whimper, a complete capitulation and the rantings of a has been, never was, so called president. At least he turned around to see Nancy sarcastically clapping his call for peace and bipartisan comity then giving him a winning smirk. She's knocked him out with a feather duster... See the video here...https://twitter.com/Daniel_Lewis3/status/1092983252372074496 http://https://i.postimg.cc/h48pKbgY/Dys-Viwv-U0-AA8hj6.jpg |
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Title: Re: Trump will tactically declare a national emerg Post by eau de sauvage on 02/14/19 at 14:36:51 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47247726 Trump to sign border security bill and declare emergency over wall It looked like McConnell wasn't going to budge then today he endorses the State of Emergency. Trump doesn't care at all that this will set a precedent for action on climate change by a future president but I'm surprised that McConnell is going along with it. |
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Title: Re: Trump will tactically declare a national emerg Post by Serowbot on 02/14/19 at 14:59:51 If it's a national emergency, why'd he wait 2 years to declare it?... :-? |
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Title: Re: Trump will tactically declare a national emerg Post by LostArtist on 02/14/19 at 15:07:27 McConnell and Republicans in general are all about WHO has power, not setting up systems and precedents about HOW power is allowed to be used. as long as they have power, they want to be able to use it however they want to do whatever they want. remember Nixon "It's not a crime if the President does it." Republicans "it's not a crime if republicans do it" |
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Title: Re: Trump will tactically declare a national emerg Post by thumperclone on 02/14/19 at 15:43:03 67647168646B313D050 wrote:
not quite right "native" Americans just migrated here first |
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Title: Re: Trump will tactically declare a national emerg Post by T And T Garage on 02/14/19 at 16:05:25 7563746971646972060 wrote:
LOL - you beat me to the punch Sero!! |
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Title: Re: Trump will tactically declare a national emerg Post by batman on 02/15/19 at 01:06:34 Native American 's crossed the land bridge from Asia 70,000 years ago ,1492 was 527 years ago ,and if you want to think that way I'd say they at least, had a hell of head start. |
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Title: Re: Trump will tactically declare a national emerg Post by eau de sauvage on 02/15/19 at 12:19:48 Welp, if you go back and read the OP, you'll see that Trump has just confirmed it out of his own mouth... “I have already done a lot of wall for the election, 2020,” Trump said Friday in a freewheeling news conference in the Rose Garden. “We will end up in the Supreme Court, and hopefully we will get a fair shake and win in the Supreme Court.” https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/15/democrats-national-emergency-1172060 My take on this whole 'national emergency' bs, when looked at from a longer distance and larger span of time, is that...wait for it...Trump is, like a magician, royally fcuking the USA up the Khyber and picking their pocket at the same time. Stay with me here kids... now we all know, everyone knows the entire fcuking universe knows there is not 'national emergency' by any stretch of the imagination. Yet here is the entire USA taking it seriously. This is really what Bannon's big picture is. Chaos. He would love it that a bs fight over such a ludicrous piece of frippery can actually make it to the Supreme Court. Why doesn't someone say that the emperor has no clothes. Even after Trump's gone his damage will remain, he has permanently damaged the USA's credibility or claim to any moral leadership of the world. In a word, he's destroyed the USA as a brand, by tagging it to his Trump brand. The entire presidency for him was never anything more than a personal enrichment opportunity such that only comes along in dreams. |
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Title: Re: Trump will tactically declare a national emerg Post by Eegore on 02/15/19 at 13:15:10 "Yet here is the entire USA taking it seriously." I don't know anyone taking it seriously. Maybe the information you are getting is different but where I am many elected officials are critical of the decision and do not agree. Many more Americans feel the same way. http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/us-house-panel-announces-emergency-declaration-probe-in-letter-to-trump/ar-BBTEqMc?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=UE12DHP "Even after Trump's gone his damage will remain, he has permanently damaged the USA's credibility or claim to any moral leadership of the world." So your interpretation is that due to Trump the united States will never have any leadership status globally ever again? Why is that? I agree damage has been done but I do not agree that every human to ever gain political status and interact with the US President in the infinite future will agree that due to Trump the US can never have a pertinent influence in the outcome of any global situation ever again. I'm not sure how our digital consumer economy alone could be considered a subordinate economical factor in the infinite future. |
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Title: Re: Trump will tactically declare a national emerg Post by eau de sauvage on 02/16/19 at 00:33:11 I don't know anyone taking it seriously. Maybe the information you are getting is different but where I am many elected officials are critical of the decision and do not agree. Many more Americans feel the same way. tl:dr by taking it seriously I mean, thinking that it's OK to go along with this complete bs, because the Supreme Court will stop it. Thanks for giving me the opportunity to explain further. Look what just happened. McConnell said, [I'm paraphrasing here but this is what he'd have said in his own way] Mate, 'you're a fcuking idiot', we've got the evangelicals in our pocket, I don't know how the fcuk you've managed to do it being a serial adulterer and lots of other anti Christian shenanigans, not to mention that it was not very long ago that he was pro choice. This is the one thing that Trump has gotten right, he may know nothing about politics, but he knows an not a very nice person when he sees one, which is why he gets on well with Vlad, and Kim. He knows that if he's got the religious right, he's got the GOP, and he's got the religious right because he knows they are still the same evangelical interfering crusading asshats that piss off the muslims so much. And seriously I can see their point. However I don't have too much sympathy for the Muslims because they invaded India and destroyed the absolute greatest wealth of treasures known to humanity. The razing of the Library at Alexandria was like crumps off the table compared to India. Anyhoo, I've strayed a bit here.... Basically I'm saying that Trump has the religious right which is an ironic name because just the very fact that a minority want to shove their religious views down other people's throat by using their trickery to put in place their mates whose will is to clearly do what is wrong, for the religious right. But the main point I still haven't addressed. What I mean is yes, it was pointed out it cannot get through. But trump says 'yes Gorsuch and Kav' will put it through. But you see they won't for the very same reasons that everyone says this is not an emergency. The bigger point I'm making is that no one can believe what's happening but no one knows how to stop it. You've got fcuking Hannity making policy now FFS. OK I'm going to go out on a limb now, there's only one person who has kept ethereally above the fray, disinterested. Happy to let whatever anyone says stand. Because he is the last chance, the only hope you have of someone who is not tainted to make the objective report that he will. This talk about what Barr will or will not release is in the end going to be irrelevant because the report will be structured in such a way as Barr will not have a choice. Yeah I guess it sucks for the GOP that even though they win the presidency, losing the popular vote means inevitably the will of the majority will prevail and they put the Democrats back in the House to restore this out of control train wreck. Michael Moore implored his fellow Michiginians, ' I know you're angry, I know you want to send them a message, and that message is 'fcuk you' and you have righteous anger, and justifiable anger', or words to that effect, its a good film to watch. But he said 'realise what you're doing'. It will be like Brexit, then it was, oops, the young people who it will affect are the ones because of whom it got through, they didn't vote. Can we have a do over? Lol. I still think it has a way to go yet but Muller's report, when it finally comes will be a tome worthy of it's historical importance. The bottom line is that Trump is a brazen liar and fraud, and in the end, the truth always endures, it's the nature of truth. Edit: forgot </Rant> Edit: having said all that, I should also say that I'm also reporting as a disinterested observer because I can see that this will lead to, has already led to, a swarm of newbies in the House and they aren't girl thingies either, meaning, they can play tough when they get in. I like the way that Pelosi has gotten her little striplings to recognise that they need some wise guidance before taking the reins, their time will come. If they win big in both houses with a mandate for change then they can follow Trump's lead with taking the law to the limit to undo the GOP damage. Merrick Garland is who the people wanted, so forcing Kavanaugh after installing Gorsuch would seem to be job done, the Supreme Court is a big deal because it defies the will of he people for 30 maybe 40 years. That's an entire generation behind the people they represent. As far as I understand it, with full control of both houses it's perfectly legal and within the jurisdiction of the govt to increase the number of Supreme Court appointees to 13, I think the number is, not too sure on that. Bang, in one fell swoop they can rebalance the court with respectable and deserving justices, not young, therefore in for a long time, religious right. Ocasio-Cortez reminds me of Eva Peron for some reason I do not understand. I think she is going to be yuge, if not by 2020 then certainly in the future. |
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Title: Re: Trump will tactically declare a national emerg Post by eau de sauvage on 02/17/19 at 05:19:37 Eegore, I just found this piece that explains why I say the Supreme Court has not choice but to reject Trump. The thing is there's no 'maybe' about it, and *everyone* knows this. So why pretend. His acknowledgement that his emergency is not “real,” and his openly political motivations, will make it harder for judges—and especially the Supreme Court justices whom he said during the press conference he hopes would rule his way—to uphold his order. This is so in part for doctrinal reasons: The president’s integrity and truthfulness, and the possibility that he is acting pretextually based on an illicit motive, will be front and center in this litigation. And it is so in part for what might be called political or atmospheric reasons. Courts don’t like to be seen as pawns asked to indulge obvious fictions in the exercise of executive power in controversial contexts. But that is the situation the courts are now in. https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-and-isnt-big-deal-trumps-executive-actions-related-border |
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Title: Re: Trump will tactically declare a national emerg Post by Eegore on 02/17/19 at 12:42:20 Yeah I misinterpreted your original statement to mean every human (entirety) in America is considering the State of Emergency claim regarding Border Control as a serious claim of how the situation should be interpreted. Thank you for clarifying. |
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Title: Re: Trump will tactically declare a national emerg Post by eau de sauvage on 02/18/19 at 20:01:09 this sort of covers it a bit... https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a26361851/trump-national-emergency-press-conference-wall/ It's time we all stopped pretending that the president is merely ignorant or rude or even crooked, and start to process the fact that he ain't all there. How much more will he be allowed to destroy as he thrashes about on the border between his long history of skirting the law and his growing romance with the phantasmagorical as the lights begin to dim in his creaky attic? |
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Title: Re: Trump will tactically declare a national emerg Post by eau de sauvage on 02/19/19 at 02:06:34 Here's an interesting tidbit concerning 'walls work'... That wasn’t the first time Trump hailed El Paso’s barrier as a solution to crime. But the claim is not true. To start, El Paso has not been considered one of the nation’s most dangerous cities. Its violent crime rate has been significantly below the national average compared to cities of similar size. Even more, the violent crime rate went up — not down, as Trump claimed — after the construction of a border fence in the region. https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2019/feb/08/donald-trump/no-border-barrier-did-not-drive-down-crime-el-paso/ |
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Title: Re: Trump will tactically declare a national emerg Post by eau de sauvage on 02/19/19 at 14:10:06 Now I discover that this whole emergency fiasco was caused by the Supreme Court itself... https://www.lawfareblog.com/supreme-courts-contribution-confrontation-over-emergency-powers |
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Title: Re: Trump will tactically declare a national emerg Post by Eegore on 02/19/19 at 19:22:53 What do you mean by "this whole emergency fiasco was caused by the Supreme Court itself..." ? Do you mean that Trump would not have declared an emergency is it weren't for the 1983 ruling? |
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Title: Re: Trump will tactically declare a national emerg Post by eau de sauvage on 02/19/19 at 22:49:47 @Eegore, What do you mean by "this whole emergency fiasco was caused by the Supreme Court itself..." ? Well that is fully explained in the lawfare link, have you read it all? Do you mean that Trump would not have declared an emergency is it weren't for the 1983 ruling? Again if you read the laware article you'll see that he would not have bothered because it would not have been possible. Here's a sample from the link... And why are the courts now going to have the final word in determining whether the president has properly invoked or abused the power the NEA gives him? The answer to all these questions lies in a 1983 Supreme Court decision, INS v. Chadha. That decision, rightly or wrongly, decimated the policy scheme Congress had created for overseeing the president’s declaration of emergency powers—and nearly 200 other federal statutes in which Congress since the 1930s had created a similar scheme. https://www.lawfareblog.com/supreme-courts-contribution-confrontation-over-emergency-powers |
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Title: Re: Trump will tactically declare a national emerg Post by Eegore on 02/20/19 at 03:49:06 "Again if you read the laware article you'll see that he would not have bothered because it would not have been possible." I did read it in it's entirety, I also read this in it's entirety: https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=2221871582286121199&q=INS+v.+Chadha&hl=en&as_sdt=4006&as_vis=1 I was just clarifying what your opinion is versus the opinion in the article you referenced as it is not entirely uncommon for an article author to have an opinion that is different from those that read it. I feel that most Presidential decisions are somehow influenced by prior Supreme Court decisions anymore, however I do not feel that the Supreme Court is responsible for future Presidential uses of law change. Especially 36 years later. I feel the cause of this fiasco is Trump, and a different President may not have invoked Emergency Powers thus avoiding the fiasco altogether, something the Supreme Court I feel should not be held exclusively accountable for. If this was used for an actual emergency people would be glad the law was altered. |
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Title: Re: Trump will tactically declare a national emerg Post by MnSpring on 02/20/19 at 11:28:28 a different President may not have invoked Emergency Powers So Trump, Protecting the Citizens of this Country, (according to the UL Snowflakes) is a Bad thing. Yet nary a word, about a past POTUS, who put EVERY Other country, in front of the Citizens of this one. And bypasses, ’the people’, EVERY way he could. “…In his six years in office, President Obama has declared nine emergencies, allowed one to expire and extended 22 emergencies enacted by his predecessors….” (From a UL pet source) https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2014/10/22/president-obama-states-of-emergency/16851775/ Mr. Obama will leave the White House as one of the most prolific authors of major regulations in presidential history. Blocked for most of his presidency by Congress, Mr. Obama has sought to act however he could. In the process he created the kind of government neither he nor the Republicans wanted — one that depended on bureaucratic bulldozing rather than legislative transparency. But once Mr. Obama got the taste for it, he pursued his executive power without apology, and in ways that will shape the presidency for decades to come. The Obama administration in its first seven years finalized 560 major regulations — those classified by the Congressional Budget Office as having particularly significant economic or social impacts. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/14/us/politics/obama-era-legacy-regulation.html CNN noted. For his part, Barack Obama declared 13 national emergencies, with many of them focused on international affairs and containing foreign conflicts, the outlet reported. He vowed to pursue “audacious” executive action in his final term. And in his January 2014 State of the Union Address, President Obama promised to “wherever and whenever” possible “take steps without legislation.” President Obama made good on these promises; his use of Executive Orders, Executive Agreements, Agency Guidance, and Agency Rulemaking unilaterally to change domestic policy is unparalleled in modern times. Indeed, according to “The New York Times,” President Obama’s two terms have been characterized by “bureaucratic bulldozing, rather than legislative transparency.” https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/the-administration/311608-obamas-curtain-call-a-look-back-on-a-legacy-of |
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Title: Re: Trump will tactically declare a national emerg Post by Serowbot on 02/20/19 at 11:43:27 50734E6D6F74737A1D0 wrote:
Am I reading this wrong, or are you calling yourself an Ultra Liberal Snowflake?... :-? |
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Title: Re: Trump will tactically declare a national emerg Post by MnSpring on 02/20/19 at 12:06:31 3620372A32272A31450 wrote:
Na. But ask tt. The tt will give you a lesson, in how to understand something. |
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Title: Re: Trump will tactically declare a national emerg Post by T And T Garage on 02/20/19 at 14:24:47 63407D5E5C4740492E0 wrote:
Na. But ask tt. The tt will give you a lesson, in how to understand something. [/quote] I only give lessons to those who need it. I'm posting this to you mn. You are in desperate need of education. |
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Title: Re: Trump will tactically declare a national emerg Post by eau de sauvage on 02/21/19 at 22:32:52 587B4665677C7B72150 wrote:
@Eegore, I'll get back to your post |
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