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Title: Watching common sense sprrad Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/18/18 at 08:28:42 http://www.fox19.com/2018/12/18/clinton-county-school-district-votes-allow-armed-staff-members/?fbclid=IwAR0Xdfh_wxFHEFTN72JvqRJ5krDhVAYzV6MZNn1FU--CQ3vS5opygGWG7Qc http://www.fox19.com/2018/12/18/clinton-county-school-district-votes-allow-armed-staff-members/?fbclid=IwAR0Xdfh_wxFHEFTN72JvqRJ5krDhVAYzV6MZNn1FU--CQ3vS5opygGWG7Qc BLANCHESTER, OH (FOX19) - A Clinton County school district is the latest in the Tri-State to allow teachers and other staff members to carry guns. The Blanchester School Board voted Monday nigh |
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Title: Re: Watching common sense sprrad Post by T And T Garage on 12/18/18 at 08:59:30 Yeah, instead of trying to weed out those who shouldn't have guns, let's just have more guns in the schools. Great idea! <<<<<<sarcasm |
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Title: Re: Watching common sense sprrad Post by Matchless G11 on 12/18/18 at 10:23:58 Well we have been trying to "weed" out those who should not have illegal drugs, How is that working? (Sarcasm touché) |
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Title: Re: Watching common sense sprrad Post by T And T Garage on 12/18/18 at 10:39:35 68717F7F29296A7D6C7D7B732B2C2D180 wrote:
Topic for another thread matchless. Arming teachers is not the answer. Preventing these tragedies is. |
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Title: Re: Watching common sense sprrad Post by verslagen1 on 12/18/18 at 10:49:32 415F50515C415A47350 wrote:
What's your proposal? |
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Title: Re: Watching common sense sprrad Post by Matchless G11 on 12/18/18 at 10:50:33 Strangely TT I do agree with you (and the devil is not ice skating to work). But it seems every time one of these shooting goes down. we hear: "Police were watching the suspect." "The FBI had the suspect under surveillance. " "Local law inforcement were called multiple times." Well if the problem is with the law enforcement not doing their jobs. Should we not fix the problem there? Insted of putting out more ineffective gun laws? |
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Title: Re: Watching common sense sprrad Post by T And T Garage on 12/18/18 at 10:59:15 756671706F6264666D32030 wrote:
What's your proposal?[/quote] Changing the gun laws at the federal level. Common sense gun control. I've written about this quite a bit. |
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Title: Re: Watching common sense sprrad Post by T And T Garage on 12/18/18 at 11:00:58 3B222C2C7A7A392E3F2E2820787F7E4B0 wrote:
I agree, that would make sense - but gun laws should also be revised (IMHO). But to throw more guns in the mix is asinine (again, IMHO). |
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Title: Re: Watching common sense sprrad Post by Matchless G11 on 12/18/18 at 11:05:58 Well TT we have to protect our children, and a sign that says Gun free zone won't do it. We have kicked God out of the schools so why should we be shocked when the Devil come to take his place? |
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Title: Re: Watching common sense sprrad Post by WebsterMark on 12/18/18 at 11:29:06 Well TT we have to protect our children, and a sign that says Gun free zone won't do it. We have kicked God out of the schools so why should we be shocked when the Devil come to take his place? Every shooter is not the Devil Match, but I understand your point. (Evil more likely takes this shape: True evil is, above all things, seductive. When the Devil knocks at your door, he doesn’t have cloven hooves. He is beautiful, and offers you your heart’s desire in whispered airs. Like a siren, beckoning you to ruinous shore.) If I ran a school, I would ask for volunteers among the staff to be trained and to carry everyday at school. I would then begin a program that when recruiting new teachers, those with a background in armed self defense would be included as a plus when considering. Finally, I don't know what the percentage is, but I would investigate and consult until an arrived upon percentage of armed staff would be an acceptable number and then I would strive to remain at that percentage. You cannot rely upon law enforcement or the FBI to remove suspects before they act. In so many of the recent cases of school shootings, the suspect had come into contact with law enforcement before and procedures were not followed. And you clearly cannot rely on law enforcement to always put themselves in harms way to protect children. Would a mentally disturbed student or individual attack a school if they knew 25% of the staff was armed for example? No one knows the answer to that with any degree of certainty. I don't know, but I would assume military schools have faced shooters and I would assume some of the staff is armed. The Islamic terrorist who shot the soldiers at Fort Hood comes to mind, but he may have selected the specific area he attacked knowing it was a no guns allowed zone, but I don't know that. However, what is known with complete certainty is, if you or your child were barricaded in a room listening to a shooter moving systematically room by room shooting whomever is in the room and you're next on the list, you'd rather have someone in that room with you who is armed. |
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Title: Re: Watching common sense sprrad Post by verslagen1 on 12/18/18 at 11:53:38 2C323D3C312C372A580 wrote:
What's your proposal?[/quote] Changing the gun laws at the federal level. Common sense gun control. I've written about this quite a bit. [/quote] you've never been specific, try it for once. |
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Title: Re: Watching common sense sprrad Post by Matchless G11 on 12/18/18 at 11:59:35 5F6D6A7B7C6D7A45697A63080 wrote:
True, there is also this from Lewis. ]There are two equal and opposite errors into which our race can fall about the devils. One is to disbelieve in their existence. The other is to believe, and to feel an excessive and unhealthy interest in them. They themselves are equally pleased by both errors and hail a materialist or a magician with the same delight. |
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Title: Re: Watching common sense sprrad Post by T And T Garage on 12/18/18 at 12:27:16 5F4648481E1E5D4A5B4A4C441C1B1A2F0 wrote:
You can't make this a religious thing. Besides, there are plenty of parochial schools in this country. If we bring God into public schools, then we need to bring Allah and the Flying Spaghetti Monster in too. Having a set of laws has nothing to do with God. Our Constitution stands as strong as it does because of that. |
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Title: Re: Watching common sense sprrad Post by WebsterMark on 12/18/18 at 13:02:45 Evil more likely takes this shape: True evil is, above all things, seductive. When the Devil knocks at your door, he doesn’t have cloven hooves. He is beautiful, and offers you your heart’s desire in whispered airs. Like a siren, beckoning you to ruinous shore. My quote comes from a far less weighty source; The TV series Penny Dreadful. Which was outstanding by the way and worth watching. Not Breaking Bad great, but close. |
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Title: Re: Watching common sense sprrad Post by Matchless G11 on 12/18/18 at 13:08:11 Where do our laws come from? If there is a moral code there must be a moral code giver. Other wise we do things just on feelings. What feels right could be saving children on one hand or holding the door open to the ovens at Auschwitz on the other. |
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Title: Re: Watching common sense sprrad Post by Matchless G11 on 12/18/18 at 13:15:06 437176676071665975667F140 wrote:
Great quote though it reminds me of "The mouse (going to a trap) doesn't understand why the cheese is free". |
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Title: Re: Watching common sense sprrad Post by T And T Garage on 12/18/18 at 14:09:31 21383636606023342534323A626564510 wrote:
Empathy. The Golden Rule. We learn these things as we mature. Whether or not you choose to be good or evil is on you - not God. |
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Title: Re: Watching common sense sprrad Post by MnSpring on 12/18/18 at 14:30:31 564847464B564D50220 wrote:
Describe them, Don't run behind a Skirt and say: "...Common sense gun control..." Which is being, Parroted by: the 'don't have a clue' people, and the David Hogg's, parrots. Which Hogg is Really Funny, when he shows up at a protest, with ARMED security !!!!! (Gee I thought, I can, You can NOT, was Socialism) DESCRIBE, "Common sense gun control". What is it, Point by Point ? And NOT, repeating all the laws that are already on the books. And NOT, repeating all the laws that have been on the books, and have not work. And NOT, repeating all the lies, told by the Gun Grabbers, just so they believe they CAN, 'Grab Guns". Come on, DO it. Describe, "Common sense gun control" Describe it ! Or are you just Lying, Again ! |
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Title: Re: Watching common sense sprrad Post by Matchless G11 on 12/18/18 at 14:34:09 5C424D4C415C475A280 wrote:
Empathy. The Golden Rule. We learn these things as we mature. Whether or not you choose to be good or evil is on you - not God.[/quote] True we have free will But your ethics has in it the golden rule is given by Jesus of Nazareth (Matthew 7:12 NCV, see also Luke 6:31). The common English phrasing is "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. The guys who wrote the constitution were not doing it in a vacuum. Most of the founding fathers of this country did not scribed to some "flying spaghetti monster" nor were they followers of Islam. They were with the exception of Franklin and Jefferson (and even those guys had a sense of a higher power being deists ). Were bible thumpers, Just read the some of their writings. These guys wanted a country that was one nation under God. |
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Title: Re: Watching common sense sprrad Post by T And T Garage on 12/18/18 at 14:45:10 3C252B2B7D7D3E2938292F277F78794C0 wrote:
Empathy. The Golden Rule. We learn these things as we mature. Whether or not you choose to be good or evil is on you - not God.[/quote] True we have free will But your ethics has in it the golden rule is given by Jesus of Nazareth (Matthew 7:12 NCV, see also Luke 6:31). The common English phrasing is "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. I don't subscribe to that belief. Humans had compassion long before the Bible/New Testament. If not, we would not have survived as a species. Sorry, I don't think it was Jesus who came up with it. The guys who wrote the constitution were not doing it in a vacuum. Most of the founding fathers of this country did not scribed to some "flying spaghetti monster" nor were they followers of Islam. They were with the exception of Franklin and Jefferson (and even those guys had a sense of a higher power being deists ). Were bible thumpers, Just read the some of their writings. These guys wanted a country that was one nation under God. [/quote] God didn't enter into it for good reason. "Endowed by their Creator", and "Nature's God" are mentioned in the Declaration, but even those tow references are benign. The Constitution is written in such a way to purposely exclude God. Addition - matchless - please know that I in no way berate your faith. I was raised Christian, now I'm agnostic. I have atheist friends, Jewish friends, Muslim friends. I hold no religion in and of itself in contempt. However, there are many religious people I do, but that's on them, not the religion that they supposedly represent. |
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Title: Re: Watching common sense sprrad Post by T And T Garage on 12/18/18 at 14:48:40 587B4665677C7B72150 wrote:
Describe them, - Piss off. You're not worth my time to explain them again. Go do a search in my posts. I'm not going to get drawn into one of your useless ad nauseum posts. Don't run behind a Skirt and say: "...Common sense gun control..." Which is being, Parroted by: the 'don't have a clue' people, and the David Hogg's, parrots. Which Hogg is Really Funny, when he shows up at a protest, with ARMED security !!!!! (Gee I thought, I can, You can NOT, was Socialism) Yeah - this is why I won't entertain you. You refuse to learn. DESCRIBE, "Common sense gun control". What is it, Point by Point ? And NOT, repeating all the laws that are already on the books. And NOT, repeating all the laws that have been on the books, and have not work. And NOT, repeating all the lies, told by the Gun Grabbers, just so they believe they CAN, 'Grab Guns". Come on, DO it. Describe, "Common sense gun control" Describe it ! Or are you just Lying, Again ! I don't lie. Further, there is no proof of me lying. So piss off. You're just not worth my time. [/quote] |
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Title: Re: Watching common sense sprrad Post by verslagen1 on 12/18/18 at 15:10:11 2D333C3D302D362B590 wrote:
They didn't exclude god, they did not promote one religion over another. Big difference. |
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Title: Re: Watching common sense sprrad Post by T And T Garage on 12/18/18 at 15:14:32 746770716E6365676C33020 wrote:
They didn't exclude god, they did not promote one religion over another. Big difference.[/quote] No, they excluded God on purpose in the Constitution. There are only mentions of "religion" in the Constitution. |
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Title: Re: Watching common sense sprrad Post by verslagen1 on 12/18/18 at 15:38:42 3D232C2D203D263B490 wrote:
They didn't exclude god, they did not promote one religion over another. Big difference.[/quote] No, they excluded God on purpose in the Constitution. There are only mentions of "religion" in the Constitution.[/quote] Are you confused or does religion not include god? |
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Title: Re: Watching common sense sprrad Post by thumperclone on 12/18/18 at 15:47:34 how does adding more guns(arming teachers) equate "common sense"? @ my Los Angeles H.S. in the 60s we were locked in all 3 square blocks of campus with 6000 students there were hired armed guards, 6 or so the fear of the day was anti war protests closed campus' limited controlled access the H.S across the back alley has a leo they call him/her the community service officer arming teachers is just plain stupid nothing sensible about it |
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Title: Re: Watching common sense sprrad Post by Eegore on 12/18/18 at 16:07:30 "arming teachers is just plain stupid nothing sensible about it" I think this has more to do with imminence and cost than with what is going to be a long-term solution. A gunman going into a school today can be stopped with armed staff. Stopping future gunman from committing the crime can not help children being murdered today. It's not like these proposed laws say anything about keeping alternate measures from taking place. |
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Title: Re: Watching common sense sprrad Post by T And T Garage on 12/18/18 at 16:29:06 22312627383533313A65540 wrote:
They didn't exclude god, they did not promote one religion over another. Big difference.[/quote] No, they excluded God on purpose in the Constitution. There are only mentions of "religion" in the Constitution.[/quote] Are you confused or does religion not include god?[/quote] No, it includes God - but it also includes Allah, The Flying Spaghetti Monster, Elvis, The Dude, Satan and any other deity you'd like. |
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Title: Re: Watching common sense sprrad Post by MnSpring on 12/18/18 at 17:41:49 405E51505D405B46340 wrote:
So you have no, original, thoughts of your own. You can Only, Parrot what Cenk and like told you to say. Just as I thought, you don't have any ideas of your own, about what to do. |
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Title: Re: Watching common sense sprrad Post by T And T Garage on 12/18/18 at 19:50:40 42615C7F7D6661680F0 wrote:
So you have no, original, thoughts of your own. You can Only, Parrot what Cenk and like told you to say. Just as I thought, you don't have any ideas of your own, about what to do.[/quote] You're not worth the keystrokes. |
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Title: Re: Watching common sense sprrad Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/18/18 at 20:27:38 Guy[quote author=7A646B6A677A617C0E0 link=1545150522/0#1 date=1545152370]Yeah, instead of trying to weed out those who shouldn't have guns, let's just have more guns in the schools. It's not the GUNS. It's WHO HAS THEM. According to your logic, more guns equals Less safe. But what do you do when a crazed gunman appears? You call the cops. What do THEY do? They Bring More Guns. But That's okay Because they are cops. Teachers are too stupid to learn to shoot. Dammit, why don't you accept that you're WRONG? It's obvious enough. |
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Title: Re: Watching common sense sprrad Post by T And T Garage on 12/19/18 at 06:29:38 56494F4855526353635B49450E3C0 wrote:
Because jog, I'm not wrong. You are. |
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Title: Re: Watching common sense sprrad Post by Eegore on 12/19/18 at 16:06:45 "instead of trying to weed out those who shouldn't have guns, let's just have more guns in the schools" As usual I think the problem is that we are not willing to reach a compromising viewpoint that allows for a comprehensive solution. The issue with active shooters in schools is not a bad guy with a gun. It's how he got it, and why he uses it to murder children. That in itself is a huge discussion that won't be solved by any one answer, or 20. In this discussion the problem is that the solutions are being interpreted as Only more guns, or Only less guns. The fundamental issue is that one "solution" does a better job resolving today's problem of a bad guy with a gun, but does little for future mitigation. The other "solution" provides long-term resolutions but does very little to help someone in need today. I prefer to take a chronological approach to a problem, since if I fail today and die, I can't solve anything in the future. Today the problem is a guy murdering children, and short of not sending children to public school the next most readily available form of protection is the closest adult. Who is the closest adult to children in school? What is the most efficient way for the closest adult to stop a gunman actively murdering children today? |
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Title: Re: Watching common sense sprrad Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/20/18 at 01:53:30 Answer the questions TT |
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Title: Re: Watching common sense sprrad Post by WebsterMark on 12/20/18 at 04:36:41 Who is the closest adult to children in school? What is the most efficient way for the closest adult to stop a gunman actively murdering children today? That answer is obvious. I stand by my plan that the most logical way to address this is to slowly arm appropriate staff members. The next obvious but perhaps requires construction, is to limit entry to schools. Do those two things the potential is reduced. The other thing to keep in mind why these simple changes could yield great results is school shootings are still rare events. Also, before we go off the rails and use this as an excuse for widespread change, remember that 9/11 gave us a entire new government agency, Homeland Security, which in retrospect, we could do without. There's no need to further restrict people from living their life as they see fit because the tragic actions of a few mentally disturbed give a foothold to a group of people whose life is built around telling others how to live. |
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Title: Re: Watching common sense sprrad Post by WebsterMark on 12/20/18 at 05:03:25 By chance, read the comment below this morning. Since 1950, 98 percent of America’s public mass shootings have occurred in areas where guns are prohibited to the general public. In Europe, every mass shooting has happened in a gun-free zone. |
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Title: Re: Watching common sense sprrad Post by T And T Garage on 12/20/18 at 06:25:04 This country has well over 300 million guns within the general population. Yeah, even more saturation would do the trick! Lets not restrict guns to anyone at the federal level. Let's not change any of the laws governing ownership! <<<<Sarcasm |
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Title: Re: Watching common sense sprrad Post by MnSpring on 12/20/18 at 08:17:53 465857565B465D40320 wrote:
Is that part of your, ‘Common Sense” proposal? Uygur does not tell you, because he/she does not KNOW. So you say, nothing more than a meaningless, ’sound bite’. You said: not restrict guns to anyone at the federal level They do, in fact the 4473 form, started in 1968 as one page, one side. It is now 4 pages, BOTH sides. Have you ever read one ? (Or did you get the gun you say you have, out of a trunk in a back alley in downtown Chicago) Now States, have the ability to make gun laws, that go above and beyond the Federal laws. Many States have far more draconian gun laws, your state some of the most restrictive, gun ownership laws, in the nation. Yes dear, I know you posted, ’sarcasm’, yet can you not understand, the very basic idea, that the Increase in Laws to prevent guns from falling into the wrong hands. Only affect the Honest Citizen. They, Do Not Work, to stop crime. And the makers/supporters, of the laws that, 'Do Not Work', to stop crime. All stand in the street, and cry: It's someone else's fault. (As you have done numerous times) Next you said: change any of the laws governing ownership. Which ones ? What changes ? What do you propose ? That’s right, you don’t know, because, Cenk Uygur, has not, TOLD you WHAT to say. So you can only say your, ’sound bite’, rants & raves. So, here is my take. Enforce the myriad of laws ALREADY on the books. To get a finite list and recommendations as to what they are you can go back in my posts to find out. (Or are you to Lazy to look) Oh Yea, and do NOT, let a former A.G. and POTUS, circumvent the laws, to PURPOSELY, get Citizens killed, to garner support for ‘gun-banning’. (Which totally backfired on them) And yea, for now, until something better comes along. ARM the Teachers, who are Skilled and Able, and Willing. |
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Title: Re: Watching common sense sprrad Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/20/18 at 10:23:38 Instead of calling and waiting for a good guy with a gun, teachers are already there. The Saturation of guns isn't IN our schools. That's where the saturation of floors with innocent blood is. Allow teachers to get qualified and carry. They should be provided with vests, too. Like when the Louisiana governor told the people to arm themselves against car jackers in the seventies, after a few thugs bled out screaming and thrashing around gutshot, that little game stopped. I'm betting a few dead shooters and that would stop being so fun. Watch where they WON'T happen. The places where teachers are armed won't be where they happen. About ten miles away, in Union Grove, the school has a four by four sign between the parking lot and doors stating staff is armed. Not a place for starting trouble. T T can sneer at the people who want to increase security the same way we keep important people and things secure, by having good guys with guns around, but he's wrong. Still. |
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Title: Re: Watching common sense sprrad Post by T And T Garage on 12/20/18 at 11:24:30 56494F4855526353635B49450E3C0 wrote:
Funny - if I'm so wrong, why haven't all these guns helped in any of these situations thus far? ‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens More guns are the problem, not the solution. |
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Title: Re: Watching common sense sprrad Post by T And T Garage on 12/20/18 at 11:25:12 00231E3D3F24232A4D0 wrote:
Is that part of your, ‘Common Sense” proposal? Uygur does not tell you, because he/she does not KNOW. So you say, nothing more than a meaningless, ’sound bite’. You said: not restrict guns to anyone at the federal level They do, in fact the 4473 form, started in 1968 as one page, one side. It is now 4 pages, BOTH sides. Have you ever read one ? (Or did you get the gun you say you have, out of a trunk in a back alley in downtown Chicago) Now States, have the ability to make gun laws, that go above and beyond the Federal laws. Many States have far more draconian gun laws, your state some of the most restrictive, gun ownership laws, in the nation. Yes dear, I know you posted, ’sarcasm’, yet can you not understand, the very basic idea, that the Increase in Laws to prevent guns from falling into the wrong hands. Only affect the Honest Citizen. They, Do Not Work, to stop crime. And the makers/supporters, of the laws that, 'Do Not Work', to stop crime. All stand in the street, and cry: It's someone else's fault. (As you have done numerous times) Next you said: change any of the laws governing ownership. Which ones ? What changes ? What do you propose ? That’s right, you don’t know, because, Cenk Uygur, has not, TOLD you WHAT to say. So you can only say your, ’sound bite’, rants & raves. So, here is my take. Enforce the myriad of laws ALREADY on the books. To get a finite list and recommendations as to what they are you can go back in my posts to find out. (Or are you to Lazy to look) Oh Yea, and do NOT, let a former A.G. and POTUS, circumvent the laws, to PURPOSELY, get Citizens killed, to garner support for ‘gun-banning’. (Which totally backfired on them) And yea, for now, until something better comes along. ARM the Teachers, who are Skilled and Able, and Willing. [/quote] What's really scary is that you, mn, are heavily involved in the gun trade. |
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Title: Re: Watching common sense sprrad Post by MnSpring on 12/20/18 at 12:05:25 362827262B362D30420 wrote:
Right out of the, 'Onion'. Even Cenk Uygur is not Stupid enough to post something from the Onion. And expect people to believe it is true. |
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Title: Re: Watching common sense sprrad Post by MnSpring on 12/20/18 at 12:36:49 4A545B5A574A514C3E0 wrote:
"What is really Scary is” The, ‘Anti-gun’, Banners, agenda. Everything they say, and do, is to make More rules, take away More guns, make More restrictions. So Nobody has guns. Except a very, very, very few, who are extremely trained and vetted. (Like, ‘officer’, Noor). ‘What is really Scary is” The ultimate goal is NOT crime control, it’s to remove the right to keep and bear arms, so NOBODY has any Guns. So the gun has effectively been removed from the, ‘bad’ guy. ‘What is really Scary is” Their are people that actually believe that, Cenk Uygur is a intelligent person. And that their are people that hang on his/her every word. And that people Parrot, the exact spew he/she says. |
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Title: Re: Watching common sense sprrad Post by Eegore on 12/20/18 at 16:13:02 "More guns are the problem, not the solution." What is the solution now? If a person was firing a gun at children in a classroom today, what is the most efficient way to stop him? Until people stop with the absolutes of, no guns vs. more guns, we won't get anywhere. Start with an immediate solution and work towards a long-term, or start with a long-term solution and let people die today. |
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Title: Re: Watching common sense sprrad Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/20/18 at 21:15:11 http://memepoliceman.com/list-of-mass-shootings-stopped-by-armed-civilians/ Add to your ridiculous claim KINDA HARD TO STOP A KILLER IN A NO GUN ZONE.. and here's a list. |
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Title: Re: Watching common sense sprrad Post by thumperclone on 12/21/18 at 04:55:10 arm teachers like the one that lost his temper and slapped a student there needs to be a way to weed out the unstable from having weapons adding more guns to the mix increases the odds they end up in the wrong hands TEACHER SHOOTS STUDENT FOR REFUSING TO GO TO THE OFFICE ^future headline?? |
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Title: Re: Watching common sense sprrad Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/21/18 at 05:13:11 Troll |
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Title: Re: Watching common sense sprrad Post by thumperclone on 12/21/18 at 05:24:56 425D5B5C41467747774F5D511A280 wrote:
insult? you can't debate without being crass? |
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Title: Re: Watching common sense sprrad Post by Eegore on 12/21/18 at 06:28:51 "Troll insult? you can't debate without being crass?" He can, but he wont. "TEACHER SHOOTS STUDENT FOR REFUSING TO GO TO THE OFFICE" This potential exists and I would look at it this way: I prioritize actual event over probable event in like-situation circumstance. So in this discussion I would say we are responding not to probable events, but actual school shootings. So I would attempt to arm whoever is the closest adult to the classrooms as I am not aware of a superior cost-effective and legal method of dealing with an active shooter than using a firearm in return in close proximity with rapid response. I say this because we know school shootings are happening in increased frequency on an annual timeframe segment per capita but we are speculating that teachers will murder children with firearms in fits of rage. I would address the current problem that we know exists while mitigating ones that may arise. Also I would not only arm teachers, I would modify law, access and evaluation for firearms, and also work on the psychological impact of children over time to reduce the potential for them to become shooters in the first place. But for todays problem, not tomorrows, I only know of one efficient method and that's armed adults nearest children. That being said I would based off of hundreds of active shooter exercises that I have personally conducted say that the likelihood of a teacher shooting a student as a peripheral casualty to an active shooter event is considerably higher than a teacher shooting a child out of anger. Rapid fire events require considerable training and most people fail which is why special response teams and the military doesn't let everyone into those programs. When a shooter is moving, shooting, people are running around, throwing chairs etc. its not that easy to hit a target. Most training today is at a range on a paper non-moving target and does not increase in difficulty. So from an actual self-protection standpoint the risk to children remains high, but from a deterrent standpoint the risk is lowered as most criminals choose easy targets. Unarmed targets. |
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Title: Re: Watching common sense sprrad Post by Matchless G11 on 12/21/18 at 06:39:56 The real question is how did we get to this spot in history in the first place? I think there was only one exmple of a school shooting in the 1950s .(And I think that may have happened off school grounds.) Guns were much more easly gotten, go to a harware store or send some money in the mail, and get a Luger. So with all this progressive thinking and laws in the last 60 years, why is our society going in the trash heap? |
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Title: Re: Watching common sense sprrad Post by MnSpring on 12/21/18 at 07:13:59 6F736E766B7E69787774757E1B0 wrote:
Saying that statement, means 1 of just two things. 1. You have not bought a firearm since 1968. (Or it was from a trunk, in a back alley, in the middle of the night) 2. You are Lying In 1968 a 'law' was passed. and today, their many, Many, MANY, more. To repeat from a previous post: ‘What is really Scary is” The ultimate goal is NOT crime control It is to remove the right to keep and bear arms, so NOBODY has any Guns. (Well except, 'officer', NOOR) |
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Title: Re: Watching common sense sprrad Post by MnSpring on 12/21/18 at 08:11:45 627B75752323607766777179212627120 wrote:
Yep, when I was a Kid, would ride my bike, with my fathers Rem. Mod 12 .22 pump, (AFTER I ASKED), through a small town 1,800 +/-, downtown, stop at the hardware store, buy a box of 22 shells, (which my Father had cleared with the owner) then go to the dump and shoot rats. No one said a word, it was all normal. Until the, 'city' people came. Who thought they could drive 45 min to work, and live in Mayberry. |
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Title: Re: Watching common sense sprrad Post by MnSpring on 12/21/18 at 08:38:32 4C504D55485D4A5B5457565D380 wrote:
Yep, the, potential Sure does exist. The SAME way, (And MANY times more) Like you driving down a road, and a Drunk/Texting/High driver of another car hits your car, and KILLS you. Like a fire stating in your home, and you are asleep, and NEVER wake up. Like you falling down the steps, and Breaking your NECK. And 1,000.000 words more. Now, who, is selling, ‘FEAR” ? As is, “arming teachers”, will cause ……. |
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Title: Re: Watching common sense sprrad Post by thumperclone on 12/21/18 at 15:55:11 not selling anything just trying to approach the topic in a logical manner adding more guns to the mix is: asinine, brainless, foolish, inane, moronic, and senseless! |
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Title: Re: Watching common sense sprrad Post by Eegore on 12/21/18 at 16:13:09 "just trying to approach the topic in a logical manner adding more guns to the mix is: asinine, brainless, foolish, inane, moronic, and senseless!" What is an immediate alternative at this point. As in tomorrow morning how can we protect children from a gunman when we don't know where/when or how its going to happen? If given the opportunity to provide equal deterrent to Redlands, Appleton, Central and Grand Mesa tomorrow morning what is a method that isn't having every law enforcement officer in Grand Junction patrol just those few schools all day. I assume the closest adult is the primary source of safety for school children but I could be wrong, or overlooking something. |
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Title: Re: Watching common sense sprrad Post by MnSpring on 12/21/18 at 16:14:52 435F425A475245545B585952370 wrote:
Yea, your selling Fear. Fear for the people that, do not know, 'guns' will fix the problem, right now. Fear for the people that believe only nut jobs have guns. Fear for the people that only believe, All Guns are bad. Oh, post 49, Is it one, or two ? You never answered, except to insult me ! mn do you ever have a cognizant thought of your own?? |
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Title: Re: Watching common sense sprrad Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/21/18 at 16:55:08 716D706875607766696A6B60050 wrote:
So you're admitting you wouldn't call the cops because THEY would Bring GUNS. You're admitting that having police in every classroom and hallway would be a mistake, because they have guns Is that correct? |
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Title: Re: Watching common sense sprrad Post by MnSpring on 12/22/18 at 17:01:19 322E332B362334252A292823460 wrote:
Post 49, Is it one, or two ? You never answered, except to, 'being crass', to me ! |
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Title: Re: Watching common sense sprrad Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/22/18 at 17:03:49 607F797E63645565556D7F73380A0 wrote:
So you're admitting you wouldn't call the cops because THEY would Bring GUNS. You're admitting that having police in every classroom and hallway would be a mistake, because they have guns Is that correct? [/quote] |
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