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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Politics, Religion (Tall Table) >> Does it matter? /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1544590277 Message started by justin_o_guy2 on 12/11/18 at 20:51:17 |
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Title: Does it matter? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/11/18 at 20:51:17 During the explosive press conference President Trump repeatedly interrupted the Democrat leaders as they attempted to downplay the seriousness of the open border and as they downplayed the much-needed border wall. The Democrat leaders promised not to fund $5 billion for the much needed border wall with Mexico. Pelosi and Schumer said it was “a waste of money.” Learn more about RevenueStripe... These are the same Democrats who under Barack Obama gifted the Iranian regime with $5.7 billion and a pallet of cash. Obama sent the Khamenei regime a pallet of unmarked bills in the dead of night in exchange for US prisoners. The Iranian regime was so proud of themselves they posted the video. Tammy Bruce told this to Sean Hannity tonight: Naaah, facts are just noise on the road to utopia. |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by T And T Garage on 12/12/18 at 06:52:46 627D7B7C61665767576F7D713A080 wrote:
LOL sean hannity.... |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by WebsterMark on 12/12/18 at 10:07:11 We should have kept it and used it to pay the claims of our hostages. Then gave rest to families of those who died in rescue mission. |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by T And T Garage on 12/12/18 at 10:09:36 6C5E59484F5E49765A49503B0 wrote:
It was never "ours" to keep. |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by WebsterMark on 12/12/18 at 10:21:39 Screw 'em. Unlike you, I put the US first, everyone else second. That was ours. |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by T And T Garage on 12/12/18 at 11:36:18 5C6E69787F6E79466A79600B0 wrote:
Really? So if you found $20k in a purse on the street, you'd keep it? Now, keep in mind, it could belong to a sweet little old lady or a woman who beats her kids... you have no idea. But you see mark, the money that we're talking about wasn't ours to keep in the first place. |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by MnSpring on 12/12/18 at 14:50:22 6B757A7B766B706D1F0 wrote:
Iran had received about $1.7 billion as part of the nuclear agreement. The money was legally due to Iran NO it was NOT. Just like You paying for new tires, then getting bald re-caps. |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by WebsterMark on 12/12/18 at 14:54:53 Really? So if you found $20k in a purse on the street, you'd keep it? No. Are you comparing Iran at the time to a sweet little old lady? Are you that stupid? Sorry but they forfeited that money after our embassy got overrun. |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by WebsterMark on 12/12/18 at 14:59:53 Did the little old lady grab my dog and keep it? Did she kill members of my family? If she did, then yea, I'm keeping it. |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by T And T Garage on 12/12/18 at 15:16:51 72516C4F4D5651583F0 wrote:
Iran had received about $1.7 billion as part of the nuclear agreement. The money was legally due to Iran NO it was NOT. Just like You paying for new tires, then getting bald re-caps. [/quote] Yes, it was. Just because you say it wasn't doesn't make it so. Educate yourself. Don't be a moron on purpose. |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by T And T Garage on 12/12/18 at 15:20:00 447671606776615E726178130 wrote:
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by WebsterMark on 12/12/18 at 15:20:41 I hope you never fly an American flag cause it'd be a lie. You give the benefit of the doubt to everyone but us. Leftist are such scum. |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by T And T Garage on 12/12/18 at 15:21:01 447671606776615E726178130 wrote:
Sure, change the narrative to suit yourself. Talk about living in la la land... |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by T And T Garage on 12/12/18 at 15:22:17 122027363120370824372E450 wrote:
Nice attitude. Nice name calling. STBY I guess. FYI - I fly and American and a Marine Corps flag. Not thing one you can do about it. |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by thumperclone on 12/12/18 at 15:38:12 6F5D5A4B4C5D4A75594A53380 wrote:
who the ruck are you to say anything about an American flying the flag because their view point is different than yours? our different views is what makes America great not narrow minded Nazi leaning we must all think alike carp |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by thumperclone on 12/12/18 at 15:39:28 564847464B564D50220 wrote:
Nice attitude. Nice name calling. STBY I guess. FYI - I fly and American and a Marine Corps flag. Not thing one you can do about it.[/quote] thank you for your service Marine [smiley=thumbsup.gif] |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by T And T Garage on 12/12/18 at 15:51:52 4E524F574A5F48595655545F3A0 wrote:
Oh no, not me (I'm flattered) - it's for my son, brother and father-in-law. But I'll be sure to pass on your gratitude though - thanks! |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by Eegore on 12/12/18 at 16:37:02 "who the ruck are you to say anything about an American flying the flag because their view point is different than yours?" I have to agree with this. You really hope other Americans don't fly the US flag because they have a different opinion than yours? This is exactly the type of thinking other nations want from us. |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by WebsterMark on 12/12/18 at 16:45:48 I’m an American fighting to save our nation from leftist. They’re more dangerous than any other enemy. They are destroying us from within. |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by T And T Garage on 12/12/18 at 17:03:47 0C3E39282F3E29163A29305B0 wrote:
That's a ridiculous mindset. I certainly don't think that of all republicans/conservatives. |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by Eegore on 12/12/18 at 17:23:39 I’m an American fighting to save our nation from leftist. They’re more dangerous than any other enemy. They are destroying us from within. What are you doing to fight them? |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by WebsterMark on 12/12/18 at 17:51:50 2E303F3E332E35285A0 wrote:
That's a ridiculous mindset. I certainly don't think that of all republicans/conservatives.[/quote] Sure you do. |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by thumperclone on 12/12/18 at 18:58:31 417374656273645B77647D160 wrote:
the most danger to our country is the right wing nut job potus if he is representative of the right you support you can keep it |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/12/18 at 21:02:01 Those who lack an understanding of what America needs don't understand how important Trump is. Are you better off since all the trade agreements? Trump is working to unscrew YOU. If you're unwilling to educate yourself, at least take a clue from always being wrong and STFU and let him turn it around. If not for the Bullshit Investigation He'd be much further along. You lefties are fighting to be able to wreck your own futures and you're too ate up with P.C. and the SJW crap to see it. |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by thumperclone on 12/13/18 at 04:50:16 what we need is a potus the doesn't lie every time he opens his mouth one that unites the country not divide it one who has the country's best interest at heart not his own personal gain one that protects the environment not destroy it for monetary gain one that doesn't involve us in unwinnable trade wars that only hurts our economy one that doesn't commit felonies what don't I understand? let's debate if you can without calling names and spewing insults |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by WebsterMark on 12/13/18 at 05:03:15 All true Jog. Trump needs to find that perfect person as a chief of staff or whatever who shares his vision but who has the ability to maximize what makes Trump (with a capital T) and minimize the trump. I knew a guy years ago with three boys. The middle one was rambunctious to say the least. I heard this man's father tell him the trick to raising this particular child is to do it without breaking his spirit. I thought that was perfect advice. (he did by the way. the kid is now a standout student and college basketball player) Point is, Trump needs someone who can maximize him without turning him into Ted Cruz. I don't know who that would be. As you correctly point out Jog, things are much better now and still trending in the right direction. If you want to see what things would have been under Hilary or Bernie, look at France, Germany or England today. Trump needs to do better. His learning curve is over. He's close to being the one who saves this nation for generations. Right now, he's the one saving it for 4 or maybe 8 years. We need more than that. |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by T And T Garage on 12/13/18 at 06:16:58 615354454253447B57445D360 wrote:
That's a ridiculous mindset. I certainly don't think that of all republicans/conservatives.[/quote] Sure you do.[/quote] No, I don't. Show me where I've ever said that. You see mark, you wish that I did, but that doesn't make it so. |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by T And T Garage on 12/13/18 at 06:22:46 4B545255484F7E4E7E46545813210 wrote:
You're too caught up in the fact that you made a horrible decision in a president and now you're trying to cover your tracks. Think about it - the economy is indeed doing well (for now). How the hell can any president poll at 38% with this economy and unemployment rate?? This president is a joke. |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by T And T Garage on 12/13/18 at 06:26:54 4D7F78696E7F68577B68711A0 wrote:
LOL - Save it from what? He literally walked into the job with a good economy, low unemployment rate and record corporate profits. He's single-handedly destroying the office of president and working on doing the same thing to the country. Opening up park lands for fossil fuel companies. Making the EPA a joke. Inciting violence. Tweeting incessantly. How can any same/somewhat intelligent person think that he's "great"? |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by MnSpring on 12/13/18 at 07:23:55 6B757A7B766B706D1F0 wrote:
What is that statement, that you are using so often now ? The one that Cenk Told You to Parrot? Oh Yea:" Just because YOU say it, does not make it True" |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by T And T Garage on 12/13/18 at 08:19:48 5A794467657E7970170 wrote:
What is that statement, that you are using so often now ? The one that Cenk Told You to Parrot? Oh Yea:" Just because YOU say it, does not make it True" [/quote] That phrase doesn't fit this situation mn. Seriously, are you that ignorant? jog asked - "Are you better off since all the trade agreements?" I answered - "No". I answered a direct question. For all I know, some people are better off with the trade agreements. I'm not. So why don't you try and comprehend a little better in the future mn? You won't look so stupid. |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by MnSpring on 12/13/18 at 10:44:26 382439213C293E2F202322294C0 wrote:
what we need is a potus the doesn’t lie every time he opens his mouth It is a Lie, saying that is what happens. What happens is, Trump says something, then the 80/20% media spin it. one that unites the country not divide it Trump is not dividing it, it is the relentless lies from the UL, SJW that are doing the dividing. one who has the country’s best interest at heart not his own personal gain He does, have THIS Country's best interest at heart, and proves it often. one that protects the environment not destroy it for monetary gain So taking the overbearing, self centered, untouchable God like attitude, OUT of the EPA, (Like when the EPA, KILLED a RIVER, and everything around it, for probably the next 50 + years, and said, ‘opps’. Yet when Jo Blow, finds a 5 gal can of used oil in the back of a shed, the EPA, comes down on him like flies on $hit) Is a bad thing ? one that doesn’t involve us in unwinnable trade wars that only hurts our economy They will not Hurt the economy. The 80% of the UL Media, say it will. So the countries that the, ’trade’, is with see that, and believe it, and use it to their advantage. Short Term ! one that doesn’t commit felonies And that information comes from Where, from Who, from What, ’NON’ Biased Source ? The current POTUS has NOT committed any felonies. It is only the UL press, Lying that something, ‘could/possibly/maybe/conceivably/imaginably/etc. Be true. OH, IMO |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by Eegore on 12/13/18 at 11:02:18 Yet when Jo Blow, finds a 5 gal can of used oil in the back of a shed, the EPA, comes down on him like flies on $hit Do you have a reference for this? |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by T And T Garage on 12/13/18 at 11:10:42 032321293423460 wrote:
LOL - C'mon Eegore - of course he doesn't. |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by MnSpring on 12/13/18 at 11:21:57 485659585548534E3C0 wrote:
Not one that would satisfy either of you. So no reason to bother. tt will just spin and lie anyway. |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by T And T Garage on 12/13/18 at 11:33:36 7A596447455E5950370 wrote:
Not one that would satisfy either of you. So no reason to bother. tt will just spin and lie anyway. [/quote] Wow - you admit defeat so easily. You know, the adult thing would have been to say "Well Eegore, I guess I was being a little over dramatic. But it sure seems that way sometimes." But no - for some reason you're incapable of being an adult and admitting that you over spoke. You turn it around and try to blame someone else. How pathetic. |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by MnSpring on 12/13/18 at 11:37:16 594748494459425F2D0 wrote:
As I said: "tt will just spin and lie anyway" ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by T And T Garage on 12/13/18 at 11:41:45 7754694A4853545D3A0 wrote:
As I said: "tt will just spin and lie anyway" ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D [/quote] I guess I should not have expected anything different. You're fast becoming a self telling joke mn. |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by Eegore on 12/13/18 at 11:42:28 "Not one that would satisfy either of you. So no reason to bother." Ok thanks. |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by WebsterMark on 12/13/18 at 11:53:51 49696B637E690C0 wrote:
Sure Eegore, the used oil reference is hyperbole (maybe that happened, I don't know) but the point that the EPA oversteps its boundaries isn't. Any government agency run by unelected bureaucrats certainly is guilty of that. |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by LostArtist on 12/13/18 at 15:43:17 675552434455427D51425B300 wrote:
you're the one keeping someone else's money... your morals are HIGHLY compromised, we are better than that. maybe you can try to be as well |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by LostArtist on 12/13/18 at 15:44:11 6D716C74697C6B7A7576777C190 wrote:
who the ruck are you to say anything about an American flying the flag because their view point is different than yours? our different views is what makes America great not narrow minded Nazi leaning we must all think alike carp [/quote] [smiley=thumbsup.gif] [smiley=thumbsup.gif] . [smiley=tekst-toppie.gif] [smiley=tekst-toppie.gif] |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by LostArtist on 12/13/18 at 15:56:34 073532232435221D31223B500 wrote:
Trump is 72 f u c k i n g years old. the fact that he can't do that for himself shows his total ineptness in life. he shouldn't be anywhere near the presidency, he's a spoiled manbaby and you voted for him, enabling more bad behavior, no wonder our nation is where it is with people like you trying to "save" it. go away, we'd be better off without you. |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/13/18 at 17:35:39 426260687562070 wrote:
You need another government study to prove that the EPA walked away from their OWN screwup and nobody was punished? You don't KNOW what happens to the average schmuck who runs after afoul of federal regulations? You disappoint. Try to be honest. |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by Eegore on 12/13/18 at 18:19:52 I can't find any regulation the EPA has, that is punishable under law, for private citizens storing small amounts of used oil, or similar. Large amounts, like barrels there is. |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/13/18 at 18:53:20 Hey, get some idiots together and run a coupla million gallons of toxic crap into a river. Walk away whistling. See how it goes. And they wanna get all righteously indignant over some schmuck and a 55 gallon drum of oil? Sukkmyass.. |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by T And T Garage on 12/13/18 at 21:04:51 554A4C4B5651605060584A460D3F0 wrote:
Your posts have gotten to the point of obvious desperation. |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by Eegore on 12/14/18 at 07:13:48 Hey, get some idiots together and run a coupla million gallons of toxic crap into a river. Walk away whistling. See how it goes. And they wanna get all righteously indignant over some schmuck and a 55 gallon drum of oil? Is it the even the same group of people? The EPA is a national organization, I find it unlikely that there is 100% consensus and resource allocation to every event. If some idiot boss commits a crime at a company and gets away with it that doesn't mean every employee and all branches and budgetary allocations should be affected and concentrate exclusively on resolving the criminal boss issue. They should still be expected to do their jobs while the appropriate amount of resources are used getting the criminal boss removed or charged. I do agree that the EPA needs revision, but to infer that instead of managing revision they are only and exclusively ignoring crimes and only and exclusively going after private citizens is ridiculous. |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by MnSpring on 12/14/18 at 10:58:20 7B5B59514C5B3E0 wrote:
Would another way to say that be: “Condemning the, whole, for the actions of a ‘few’.” Or yet another way: "That ‘gun’ was used to shoot up that ….., so all ‘guns’ like that need to be banned” Or still another: “That knuckle dragging Neanderthal was brandishing a gun, so all gun owners are knuckle dragging Neanderthals” |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by Eegore on 12/14/18 at 13:36:17 Would another way to say that be: “Condemning the, whole, for the actions of a ‘few’.” Or yet another way: "That ‘gun’ was used to shoot up that ….., so all ‘guns’ like that need to be banned” Or still another: “That knuckle dragging Neanderthal was brandishing a gun, so all gun owners are knuckle dragging Neanderthals” Agreed. Very similar to holding an entire agency accountable for the actions of a few, or: "taking the overbearing, self centered, untouchable God like attitude, OUT of the EPA, " |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by MnSpring on 12/15/18 at 16:54:07 7B5B59514C5B3E0 wrote:
So EPA, has between 15/17 Thousand people, with a Budget of 8 MILLION a year. https://www.epa.gov/planandbudget/budget So their are, 316 million, 180 million, 133 Million, Gun Owners, depending on what place you look. (Left or Right leaning places) So, using, ONLY, 133 MILLION, gun owners, vs 20 THOUSAND EPA people. What is that, (roughly) ????????????????????? Now ONE, gun owner does something stupid, That is ONE, out of the Lowest figure, of 133 MILLION. Now One, (most probably 5 to 10 +++ were involved in any decision) To KILL, a river for 50 + years, and say, ‘Opps’. Is, 5 people out of the Highest, Very High amount of 18,000 people. What is that, (Roughly) ??????????????????????? Yet it is Perfectly OK, to condemn ALL Gun Owners, for the actions of a very, Very, VERY !!!!! few. Yet, it is wrong to condemn, the actions, Of, the EPA, (Who are told by a previous administration, their $hit does Not Stink) For KILLING a River, and ALL around it.) Got it ! |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by Eegore on 12/15/18 at 17:00:04 "Yet it is Perfectly OK, to condemn ALL Gun Owners, for the actions of a very, Very, VERY !!!!! few." No. I never said that, you did. I actually never brought up gun control at all. "Yet, it is wrong to condemn, the actions, Of, the EPA, (Who are told by a previous administration, their $hit does Not Stink) For KILLING a River, and ALL around it.)" No. I never said that, you did. I think in both examples you present that the people involved directly with crime should be held accountable. I never said anything that indicated an entirety of an organization should be held accountable for the actions of a few. You did. "taking the overbearing, self centered, untouchable God like attitude, OUT of the EPA," |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by MnSpring on 12/15/18 at 17:18:39 6646444C5146230 wrote:
I believe, that is another, 'Good', thing Trump has done. |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by Eegore on 12/15/18 at 17:30:01 "Do you not understand the EPA KILLED a river and said, 'Oops' ?" Do you not understand that you are holding the entire EPA accountable for the actions of a few while complaining that other people do that very thing regarding gun ownership? The EPA did not kill a river, a group of people within it did. Just as not all gun owners kill people with them, just a group of people within it do. You also infer that the entire EPA is focused on going after private citizens, when it is very clear they are not doing this. Revision is necessary, but holding an entire organization accountable is ridiculous, or you wouldn't complain when it happens to gun owners. |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by MnSpring on 12/15/18 at 17:52:41 5E7E7C74697E1B0 wrote:
A-Yep understand that ! Just as not all gun owners kill people with them, just a group of people within it do. A-Yep, understand that. Yet, it is ALL, gun owners, that are responsible for the actions of 1. And it is, ONLY 1, EPA, who is responsible, ONLY, for the actions of him/her. (ACCORDING TO THE F.D.S.) Please explain your POV. WHY, A 'Group', says, " You ALL Are responsible, for the actions of ALL" Yet only one is responsible for the actions in the, (for example, KILLING of a River), in the other thing". |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by Eegore on 12/15/18 at 18:12:57 "Yet, it is ALL, gun owners, that are responsible for the actions of 1." This is not true, when a gun owner uses a gun in a crime there is not a prosecution of all gun owners. What you are saying is not happening. There are people who recommend more gun control measures that effect all gun owners, and that is ridiculous. It is the same level of ridiculous of people who want to hold every employee of the EPA responsible for the actions of the few that committed crimes. "A 'Group', says, " You ALL Are responsible, for the actions of ALL"" That is ridiculous. That Group's statement is ridiculous. "taking the overbearing, self centered, untouchable God like attitude, OUT of the EPA" Also ridiculous, as it is the same statement as the Group, just replacing Gun Owner with EPA. You are saying that all of the EPA staff should be held accountable even if they weren't involved in a crime, just because they are EPA staff. Please explain in your point of view how holding an EPA staff member in Alaska taking water samples should be held accountable for the dead river. |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by MnSpring on 12/15/18 at 19:03:33 6A4A48405D4A2F0 wrote:
First it's NOT Alaska, and YOU KNOW That! And it is, NOT, ' taking water samples', that is discussed. And you KNOW That ! Explain, why ‘tt’, and friends/pets, say ALL Gun Owners, are responsible for ALL, gun crimes ! And the EPA is NOT, responsible, for the attitude, 'That their $hit does NOT Stink: BECAUSE, they were TOLD THAT, by a Previous administration. It's called: PICK ONE You can NOT have both ways. PICK ONE If the UL's say ALL Gun owners are Responsible (all 133 MILLION) Then it is, ALL EPA, Employees are Responsible (All 20 Thousand) It cannot be: One can, the other cannot ! |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by Eegore on 12/16/18 at 00:27:49 "First it's NOT Alaska, and YOU KNOW That! And it is, NOT, ' taking water samples', that is discussed. And you KNOW That !" Its NOT Alaska. Also NOT every gun owner is prosecuted for the crimes of one gun owner, and YOU KNOW That! It is NOT "taking water samples" that is discussed, also it is NOT the prosecution of legally owned and used firearms that is discussed, or happening. And you KNOW That! "If the UL's say ALL Gun owners are Responsible (all 133 MILLION) Then it is, ALL EPA, Employees are Responsible (All 20 Thousand)" Both equally ridiculous. Not all gun owners are held accountable for the crime of one gun owner. The entirety of the EPA staff should not be held accountable for the crime of a few EPA staff. "taking the overbearing, self centered, untouchable God like attitude, OUT of the EPA" The EPA, or the criminals in the EPA? Pick one. |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by MnSpring on 12/16/18 at 09:11:32 19393B332E395C0 wrote:
What was that, “…Rules matter, and our government - not just individuals within the government, but the government itself - has systematically discriminated against Black people in this country…” (Look it up yourself tt, or are you to LAZY to ?) So I guess, the EPA guy/gal in Barrow Alaska, testing water samples. IS, responsible for, KILLING a River. (According to Warren) NOT every gun owner is prosecuted for the crimes of one gun owner, Nop. And they are not, because, you, changed the: Being Responsible to, Being Prosecuted. The UL, Socialistic, Progressives, every chance they get, say , ‘ Gun Owners are Responsible for that crime’ ‘ the 2nd Adm is responsible for that crime ' ‘ The NRA is responsible for that crime ' Yes, ‘I Know’, that blanket statements, describing all of a group, on the actions of a few or one of the group, is certainly not a accurate description of the whole group. Yet wonder why such a staunch defense, of a Government Agency, when a blanket statement is made, about what that agency is like, or what it has done, or what it is responsible for. Especially when Warren says they ARE ! And only the people, that are IN a, ‘gun group’, defend that group. So now, will I say again ? ”taking the overbearing, self centered, untouchable God like attitude, OUT of the EPA" In a heartbeat. And will continue to do so, just as the UL’s continue to say: ‘ that person used a gun in …, so we need to ban all guns ' Interesting, why in 8 years of a past POTUS, their were Many complaints about the EPA. And last two years, have not heard any ? |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by Eegore on 12/16/18 at 09:43:26 "So now, will I say again ? ”taking the overbearing, self centered, untouchable God like attitude, OUT of the EPA" In a heartbeat. And will continue to do so, just as the UL’s continue to say: ‘ that person used a gun in …, so we need to ban all guns '" Both of those are equally ridiculous. Both state that people who had no involvement are responsible. Why is it not ok for that strategy to be applied to gun owners, but is ok to be applied to the EPA? |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by MnSpring on 12/16/18 at 10:16:12 18383A322F385D0 wrote:
Perhaps you missed the part: "just as the UL’s continue to say: ‘ that person used a gun in …, so we need to ban all guns ' |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by Eegore on 12/16/18 at 15:40:53 "Perhaps you missed the part: "just as the UL’s continue to say: ‘ that person used a gun in …, so we need to ban all guns '" Why is it not ok, in your opinion, to hold all gun owners responsible for the actions of any and all criminal actions of other gun owners? Why is it ok, in your opinion, to hold all staff working in the EPA responsible for any and all criminal actions of all other EPA staff? |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/16/18 at 21:38:02 Okay, LEADERSHIP made a decision. The Decision created an ecological train wreck. Nobody paid. Nobody fired. Nobody in jail. Pardon me. I CONDEMN the epa. |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by Eegore on 12/17/18 at 04:47:53 That's fine to condemn the entirety of the EPA. Is it fine to condemn the entirety of Gun Owners? Is it better to condemn "Criminal Gun Owners"? Is it better to condemn "Criminal EPA Leadership"? My question was why is the entirety of the EPA held accountable for the idiocy of the few, and how common is it for the EPA to press for prosecution of private citizens? The private citizen question was answered, but the gun owner thing just doesn't make sense to me. |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/17/18 at 19:43:38 When the head of and board of directors of the N.R.A. go out and mow down a few people and the cops don't arrest them, we can talk. |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by thumperclone on 12/18/18 at 04:00:46 203F393E23241525152D3F33784A0 wrote:
we wont talk about the right wing nut job convicted of murder for mowing down counter protesters? |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by WebsterMark on 12/18/18 at 05:02:26 That guy was a board member of the NRA? News to me.... |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by Eegore on 12/18/18 at 16:03:34 If an employee of the EPA has nothing to do with a crime committed why are they held responsible? Because somebody else tries to do that to gun owners. That's really the logic that's being accepted for this? |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by MnSpring on 12/18/18 at 17:25:44 2F332E362B3E29383734353E5B0 wrote:
Who was responsible for that action/event ? |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by thumperclone on 12/19/18 at 04:02:40 55764B686A71767F180 wrote:
Who was responsible for that action/event ? [/quote] brainwashing |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by MnSpring on 12/19/18 at 10:18:37 677B667E637661707F7C7D76130 wrote:
Who was responsible for that action/event ? [/quote] brainwashing [/quote] Who was responsible for that, 'Brainwashing' ? |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by MnSpring on 12/19/18 at 10:37:38 7E5E5C54495E3B0 wrote:
Nice try. "... an employee of the EPA has nothing to do with a crime committed why are they held responsible?..." If that employee's crime is speeding in Sells AZ. No, the rest of the EPA's employees are not responsible. If it is Killing a River, it is. As in accordance to Warren: "...Elesibath Warren speech all employees of the government are responsible..." |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by Eegore on 12/19/18 at 16:12:50 "As in accordance to Warren: "...Elesibath Warren speech all employees of the government are responsible..." That's ridiculous. That means people who have nothing to do with it are held responsible. In her statement that spreads even further, so if some leadership of the EPA commits a crime a social worker in Honolulu helping veterans overcome PTSD is responsible because she is a government employee. |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/21/18 at 21:08:57 0121232B3621440 wrote:
employee of the EPA employee of the EPA employee of the EPA WTF is WRONG with you? The head of the epa either made the decision or is protecting who did. You go create such an ecological disaster and see what happens to you. |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by Eegore on 12/21/18 at 22:20:08 "all employees of the government are responsible" all employees all employees all employees So since its the EPA, a government agency, every single government employee worldwide is responsible? The guy in California who purchases prosthetic limbs for disabled veterans is responsible for the EPA's criminal activity because he is a government employee. But if its a gun owner, that's not ok right? |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by MnSpring on 12/22/18 at 11:32:50 4C6C6E667B6C090 wrote:
Well it is exactaly what, And who is that group of people, that follow her every word ? |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/22/18 at 12:27:55 47585E5944437242724A58541F2D0 wrote:
employee of the EPA employee of the EPA employee of the EPA WTF is WRONG with you? The head of the epa either made the decision or is protecting who did. You go create such an ecological disaster and see what happens to you. [/quote] That's YOU saying All employees I want the people who decided to do it to enjoy the kinda love some average person would get. |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by MnSpring on 12/22/18 at 16:53:01 4E6E6C64796E0B0 wrote:
Let’s look at this from another direction. 1. A Person shoots and KILLS Students. 2. Several people make a decision, that KILLS a river. 1. That person is in Jail. And the cry is, ALL Gun Owners are Bad. 2. Those people are getting Full Salary, and they are defended at every turn, when someone say the EPA does bad things. 1. The School, ’shooter’, only KILLED 17, (Florida) 2. Filling a river, full of 3 MILLION Gallons, of highly cancer causing toxins, will only KILL 1,000’s The difference is, #1, is all at the same time. #2, is over years and years, (Far FAR, beyond CNN’s, attention span) Conclusion: The Shooter needs to say, ‘OPPS’, then all is well. |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by Eegore on 12/22/18 at 20:32:51 "I want the people who decided to do it to enjoy the kinda love some average person would get. " I agree. But when people complain about gun owners getting grouped into the same category as a criminal gun owner I question when they do that to other groups. It was indicated that the entirety of the EPA is to be held responsible based off of the actions of a few. The justification for this is that it happens to gun owners. |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/22/18 at 20:54:26 I thought I was clear after you expressed that. I'm not a dammed idiot. I don't hold rank and file responsible for what management did. Apparently, nobody holds management responsible. And whoever followed orders, IF, IF, IF, THEY had sufficient experience and knowledge to be able to be reasonably expected to NOT pull a bonehead stunt that would dump toxic schitt into a river, then they can sit in prison, alongside the bosses. |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by Eegore on 12/23/18 at 07:01:14 "I thought I was clear after you expressed that. I'm not a dammed idiot." You were clear. Again: "I agree. But when people complain about gun owners getting grouped into the same category as a criminal gun owner I question when they do that to other groups." To clarify: I agree specifically with the logic presented here by JoG after clarifying questions were answered. However those questions are also answered by people other than JoG, a category to include all known contributors except JoG, I get answers about gun-ownership and the unfairness of the responsibility placed upon them by the US media, not the US legal system. The continual answering, meaning the structure and content of following posts, of how US Media is unfair to gun owners as justification of how we can hold the entirety of the EPA responsible seems hypocritical to me. This structuring and content of the gun-ownership to EPA staff correlation does not include JoG specifically as he has not made those comparisons at all. Considering the question posed at this time of gun-ownership vs. EPA employment and the responsibilities of those within those categories it could be concluded that anyone that has not made, or continues to make similar comparisons is not being questioned about the EPA vs. Gun owners logic. |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by MnSpring on 12/24/18 at 11:07:48 2404060E1304610 wrote:
It is true, that not knowing the fullest abilities of the people involved in the subject that has been discussed at hand. Their may be some discrepancies in the interpretation of the matters that have been deliberated on. Furthermore, the people that have tasked themselves to discern the meaning of the of said events, which have been observed with a regular frequency, have predetermined the outcome as to their confabulation, of the subject. |
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Title: Re: Does it matter? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/24/18 at 17:04:34 When reasonable people condemn the actions of the epa, it's NOT aimed at rank and file, unless the actions are obviously stupid TO the people tasked with doing it. Watching the FAR from reasonable try to hang the behavior of maniacs with guns, WHO ARE NOT BEING TOLD BY THEIR BOSS, to go kill people, is irritating. There is no way to measure just how unreasonable those people are. But, for sure their alleged Thinking is wrapped in an agenda. They Believe what they Need to believe so they can pretend that their push for the agenda is based in logic and reason. These people are exactly what Intellectual Dishonesty IS. |
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