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Message started by justin_o_guy2 on 10/24/18 at 15:17:31

Title: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/24/18 at 15:17:31

http://www.foxla.com/news/local-news/bartow-pd-girls-planned-to-attack-and-kill-at-least-15-students

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by MShipley on 10/25/18 at 05:58:23

Read the first 2 Chapters of The letter to the Romans by the Apostle Paul.

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by T And T Garage on 10/25/18 at 07:03:32

Before you go believing that it's the end of the world, look at the parents of those kids. Let's hold them somewhat responsible.

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by thumperclone on 10/25/18 at 10:28:08

they buy into the right wingnut job fear and hate spewed by the orange clown

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by MnSpring on 10/25/18 at 13:53:44

574B564E534651404F4C4D46230 wrote:

they buy into the right wingnut job fear and hate spewed by the orange clown

What the Hell are you talking about ?
How, in any way, shape, or form,
"The girls, 11 and 12 years old, planned, among other acts, to drink the blood of their victims from a goblet, according to investigators. "
Is the Fault of the POTUS.

Cheese and rice, talk about, TDS.

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by thumperclone on 10/25/18 at 14:00:48

just using your tactics
spreading bs

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/25/18 at 14:55:15

They're Satan worshippers.
Good thing we got God out of school.
Might accidentally lead people into decency.

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by T And T Garage on 10/25/18 at 14:57:56

0B141215080F3E0E3E06141853610 wrote:

They're Satan worshippers.
Good thing we got God out of school.
Might accidentally lead people into decency.

School is not where you should expect your kid to be taught right and wrong.

That's what parents are for. That's their job, not a teacher's.

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/25/18 at 15:02:48

Ohhh, but SEX, that is for school..

Let's learn about anal sex today, boys and girls..

Ohh, wait, Eegore explained that.
Parents just aren't up to it.
Apparently, they aren't good at that whole
Good vs. Evil thing either.

Schools are screwed up with idiots and ZERO tolerance stupidity.
Unable/Unwilling to deal with bad behavior.

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by raydawg on 10/25/18 at 15:07:20

Yeah, I agree with TT......
I want no bible teaching, by teachers, in school.......
This is clearly a separation of state/religion in PUBLIC SCHOOLS, issue.

As to you anal humping Jog......
Yes, its part of the teaching of sex ed nowadays.

Jog buddy....
You can NOT teach a person to be Gay.....
Just like you can't teach a Bot, to reason.
They got some deep down wiring in a circuit, that differs than ours, no can do.... ;D

Now, would it be interesting if sciences can find a way to rewire that?
Say a kid feels attracted to the same sex, but desires to be hetro, and wants the necessary treatments and counseling, to accomplish a sexual preference change..... :o

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/25/18 at 15:12:23

Teachers didn't teach us. But today, there is a hostile environment in schools for Christians.
I know what the separation between church and state is.
It's Not eliminating everything Christian from school.

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by raydawg on 10/25/18 at 15:18:00

Its black and white Jog......legally.
You can't let one preference/belief have any gray, or you open the door to hostility.

Look, its like legal, or illegal, immigration.
Look at the libs trying to have it both ways......

A law is friggin useless, if its not 100% adherence.

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/25/18 at 15:51:21

Separation of church and state

The state can't tell you what to believe.
Can't create a church.
The notion that Christians can't use a school for a Christmas themed play is BULLSHIT.

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by T And T Garage on 10/25/18 at 16:04:51

342B2D2A3730013101392B276C5E0 wrote:

Ohhh, but SEX, that is for school..

Let's learn about anal sex today, boys and girls..

Seriously jog? Don't be an idiot.

Ohh, wait, Eegore explained that.
Parents just aren't up to it.
Apparently, they aren't good at that whole
Good vs. Evil thing either.

Schools are screwed up with idiots and ZERO tolerance stupidity.
Unable/Unwilling to deal with bad behavior.

So many parents out there are lazy and honestly, don't deserve kids. Getting a kid through school takes nearly as much effort from the parent as it does the kid. If that's not the case, you're doing something wrong.

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by T And T Garage on 10/25/18 at 16:06:35

6C7F677A7F69791E0 wrote:

Yeah, I agree with TT......
I want no bible teaching, by teachers, in school.......
This is clearly a separation of state/religion in PUBLIC SCHOOLS, issue.

First smart thing you've said in a long time.

As to you anal humping Jog......
Yes, its part of the teaching of sex ed nowadays.

Jog buddy....
You can NOT teach a person to be Gay.....
Just like you can't teach a Bot, to reason.
They got some deep down wiring in a circuit, that differs than ours, no can do.... ;D

Now, would it be interesting if sciences can find a way to rewire that?
Say a kid feels attracted to the same sex, but desires to be hetro, and wants the necessary treatments and counseling, to accomplish a sexual preference change..... :o

And then you go say something like that....

SMH

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by T And T Garage on 10/25/18 at 16:15:07

726D6B6C71764777477F6D612A180 wrote:

Teachers didn't teach us. But today, there is a hostile environment in schools for Christians.

BULLSH!T jog. Not even close. I live in a very progressive city and neighborhood. There has NEVER been hostility towards any religion in our schools.

Stop parroting rush, crazy alex jones and that bill o'reilly guy that used to be on fox huh?

I know what the separation between church and state is.
It's Not eliminating everything Christian from school.

Yeah, it is actually. We don't need kids to be taught about Christianity in schools if they're not all Christians.

Hey, maybe here in Chicago, with our huge Jewish population, we should begin teaching the Torah?.... Or better yet, since there's a large Muslim population in Minnesota, maybe they should start teaching from the Qur'an? Yeah, somehow I don't think that's gonna fly.

Parochial schools and church are where you send kids to learn about religion. School is for academics.

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/25/18 at 16:19:55

Did I SAY eliminate the church/state separation?
No.
So, read my words
Not Your ideas about my ideas.
I Know of antichristian attitudes.
Idiots argue against children expressing their religious beliefs in school, pretending that is against the separation clause.

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by T And T Garage on 10/25/18 at 16:35:46

76696F6875724373437B69652E1C0 wrote:

Did I SAY eliminate the church/state separation?
No.
So, read my words

OK jog - your words:
It's Not eliminating everything Christian from school.

Yeah jog, it is. Unless it's a private school. You never made a distinction.

Not Your ideas about my ideas.
I Know of antichristian attitudes.

Really? How? When was the last time you were in a school? When was the last time you worked one on one with the people in your community? The only - and I mean ONLY - place I see anti-Christian rhetoric is on the likes of bill-o, rush and crazy alex - where they're telling you that it's out there. They're telling you that the white, Christian is somehow a target of the left wing.

I see far more people shunned who are wearing hijabs and turbans than a white Christian (who might wear a cross on a necklace).

Idiots argue against children expressing their religious beliefs in school, pretending that is against the separation clause.

That's a completely different thing - a child expressing his or her view is not the same as teaching.

Again, you have to make a distinction.

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/25/18 at 16:56:05

Show me where I suggested teachers teaching Christian attitude?
I didn't.

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by T And T Garage on 10/25/18 at 18:14:36

736C6A6D70774676467E6C602B190 wrote:

Show me where I suggested teachers teaching Christian attitude?
I didn't.

Well - in this statement:
"It's Not eliminating everything Christian from school."
It sure seems like you insinuate that.

The fact is, Christianity does not belong in a public classroom anymore than Judaism or Islam or any other.

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/25/18 at 20:46:58

You chose to read it that way.
I'm not surprised.
You managed to pretend I was promoting CNN while I was pointing out the lies.

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by Eegore on 10/26/18 at 05:23:04

Where does it say the children were Satanists?

Kids can get ideas like this from vampire movies and books, I'm not sure murder and blood drinking are exclusive to Satanism.

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by MnSpring on 10/26/18 at 06:43:24

5C424D4C415C475A280 wrote:

Or better yet, since there's a large Muslim population in Minnesota, maybe they should start teaching from the Qur'an?

It's already being done in some schools here in the inner city.
YET, teachings from the Bible AND The Torah, are BANNED.

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by T And T Garage on 10/26/18 at 07:03:05

7D5E634042595E57300 wrote:

[quote author=5C424D4C415C475A280 link=1540419451/15#15 date=1540509307] Or better yet, since there's a large Muslim population in Minnesota, maybe they should start teaching from the Qur'an?

It's already being done in some schools here in the inner city.

BULLSH!T. Prove it mn. I think you're lying.

YET, teachings from the Bible AND The Torah, are BANNED.[/quote]

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by MnSpring on 10/26/18 at 07:44:08

150B040508150E13610 wrote:

Prove it mn. I think you're lying.

First, don't give one hoot what you think.

Second, What is that you always say:

'Don't Be So Lazy, Look It Up Yourself'

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by T And T Garage on 10/26/18 at 07:44:59

7655684B4952555C3B0 wrote:

[quote author=150B040508150E13610 link=1540419451/15#23 date=1540562585] Prove it mn. I think you're lying.

First, don't give one hoot what you think.

Second, What is that you always say:

'Don't Be So Lazy, Look It Up Yourself'

[/quote]

Ha!

So you're lying. I thought so

You have no proof of what you claim.

Nice lie.

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by MnSpring on 10/26/18 at 07:54:27

7B656A6B667B607D0F0 wrote:

So you're lying. I thought so

What was that you just said ?

Was it:
"Your TO Lazy, To Look It Up Yourself'

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by T And T Garage on 10/26/18 at 07:56:08

45665B787A61666F080 wrote:

[quote author=7B656A6B667B607D0F0 link=1540419451/15#25 date=1540565099] So you're lying. I thought so

What was that you just said ?

Was it:
"Your TO Lazy, To Look It Up Yourself'
[/quote]

I tried mn. There is not one story, column or any proof whatsoever.

You lied. Own it.

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by MnSpring on 10/26/18 at 08:25:01

4E505F5E534E55483A0 wrote:

I tried mn. There is not one story, column or any proof whatsoever.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLO

Guess you ARE,
to LAZY,
to do the work,
to find out.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by T And T Garage on 10/26/18 at 08:31:08

2F0C3112100B0C05620 wrote:

[quote author=4E505F5E534E55483A0 link=1540419451/15#27 date=1540565768]I tried mn. There is not one story, column or any proof whatsoever.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLO

Guess you ARE,
to LAZY,
to do the work,
to find out.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
[/quote]

You're a liar - I just proved it.

Own it.

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by verslagen1 on 10/26/18 at 08:45:06

here's one story...

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/shariah-is-creeping-into-public-school-classrooms/

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by WebsterMark on 10/26/18 at 08:47:16

Guess that makes TT a liar. Shocking....

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by raydawg on 10/26/18 at 08:53:16

665453424554437C50435A310 wrote:

Guess that makes TT a liar. Shocking....

No.....he will say in Minnesota, NOT Maryland ;D

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by T And T Garage on 10/26/18 at 09:08:36

2F3C2B2A35383E3C3768590 wrote:

here's one story...

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/shariah-is-creeping-into-public-school-classrooms/

First off - this is an oped - nice try vers.

Second:

http://www.snopes.com/fact-check/marine-banned/

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by T And T Garage on 10/26/18 at 09:09:11

437176676071665975667F140 wrote:

Guess that makes TT a liar. Shocking....

Check yourself mark.

The only liar is mn - but yeah, no surprise.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/marine-banned/

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by T And T Garage on 10/26/18 at 09:12:25

485B435E5B4D5D3A0 wrote:

[quote author=665453424554437C50435A310 link=1540419451/30#31 date=1540568836]Guess that makes TT a liar. Shocking....

No.....he will say in Minnesota, NOT Maryland ;D
[/quote]

I will say nowhere in the US does a public school teach Islam.

There is no "indoctrination".

This is yet another fear tactic used by the right. Like the "war on Christmas".

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by WebsterMark on 10/26/18 at 09:27:40

I think that while the reason for the father's actions were sugar coated in the oped, the basic story is correct. and besides, I quickly found several stores about islam being taught in public schools where Christianity is not. There's a fairly well known case in Minnesota about a charter school, that if Christian, they would have been crucified for their actions.
These stories are not hard to find, you either didn't look very hard or ........

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by T And T Garage on 10/26/18 at 09:29:38

487A7D6C6B7A6D527E6D741F0 wrote:

Stop buying into the fear and educate yourself:

http://smnewsnet.com/archives/398868/charles-county-public-school-system-clarifies-world-history-curriculum/

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by verslagen1 on 10/26/18 at 09:30:06

574946474A574C51230 wrote:

[quote author=2F3C2B2A35383E3C3768590 link=1540419451/30#30 date=1540568706]here's one story...

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/shariah-is-creeping-into-public-school-classrooms/

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by T And T Garage on 10/26/18 at 09:35:08

203324253A3731333867560 wrote:

[quote author=574946474A574C51230 link=1540419451/30#33 date=1540570116][quote author=2F3C2B2A35383E3C3768590 link=1540419451/30#30 date=1540568706]here's one story...

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/shariah-is-creeping-into-public-school-classrooms/

First off - this is an oped - nice try vers.

Second:

http://www.snopes.com/fact-check/marine-banned/

[/quote]
Thanks for confirming that there is a story.
The parent was banned and he did sue over objections to teaching the Quran in a public school.
Does that confirm your request?[/quote]

Here you go vers - one for you too:

https://smnewsnet.com/archives/398868/charles-county-public-school-system-clarifies-world-history-curriculum/

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by verslagen1 on 10/26/18 at 10:20:57

So, you were able to find more stories confirming Mn's ascertations.
Good for you.

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by T And T Garage on 10/26/18 at 10:33:07

796A7D7C636E686A613E0F0 wrote:

So, you were able to find more stories confirming Mn's ascertations.
Good for you.

Forget how to read? Not my fault you can't understand...

Face it - your boy mn lied. Knowingly lied.

So sorry you can't protect him.

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by verslagen1 on 10/26/18 at 12:07:51

607E71707D607B66140 wrote:

[quote author=7D5E634042595E57300 link=1540419451/15#22 date=1540561404][quote author=5C424D4C415C475A280 link=1540419451/15#15 date=1540509307] Or better yet, since there's a large Muslim population in Minnesota, maybe they should start teaching from the Qur'an?

It's already being done in some schools here in the inner city.

BULLSH!T. Prove it mn. I think you're lying.

YET, teachings from the Bible AND The Torah, are BANNED.[/quote]
[/quote]

Quote:

Students were instructed to write out the Islamic creed “Shahada,” which says, “There is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah.” When recited by non-Muslims, the creed amounts to conversion to Islam.

“Most Muslims’ faith is stronger than the average Christian,” one worksheet read.

The class also spent one day covering Christianity, while teachers devoted two weeks to instructing about Islam.”

This is outrageous!! Since when is ANY RELIGION being included as part of the school curriculum? I do agree that religion is a part of “World History” however, not in the manner the Charles County Public School System is presenting it, which in my opinion, borders on Islamic Indoctrination.

Quote:

The lawsuit seeks a court declaration that the defendants violated the plaintiff’s constitutional and statutory rights; a temporary and permanent injunction barring the defendants from endorsing Islam or favoring Islam over Christianity and other religions; and from enforcing the no trespassing order issued against John Kevin Wood in October 2014.

“[T]he defendants forced Wood’s daughter to disparage her Christian faith by reciting the Shahada, and acknowledging Mohammed as her spiritual leader,”President and Chief Counsel of the Thomas More Law Center Richard Thompson said. “Her world history class spent one day on Christianity and two weeks immersed in Islam. Such discriminatory treatment of Christianity is an unconstitutional promotion of one religion over another.”

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by T And T Garage on 10/26/18 at 12:33:40

160512130C0107050E51600 wrote:

[quote author=607E71707D607B66140 link=1540419451/15#23 date=1540562585][quote author=7D5E634042595E57300 link=1540419451/15#22 date=1540561404][quote author=5C424D4C415C475A280 link=1540419451/15#15 date=1540509307] Or better yet, since there's a large Muslim population in Minnesota, maybe they should start teaching from the Qur'an?

It's already being done in some schools here in the inner city.

BULLSH!T. Prove it mn. I think you're lying.

YET, teachings from the Bible AND The Torah, are BANNED.[/quote]
[/quote]

Quote:

Students were instructed to write out the Islamic creed “Shahada,” which says, “There is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah.” When recited by non-Muslims, the creed amounts to conversion to Islam.

LOL - calligraphy homework - oh no, run in terror...!

“Most Muslims’ faith is stronger than the average Christian,” one worksheet read.

The class also spent one day covering Christianity, while teachers devoted two weeks to instructing about Islam.”

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/05/west-virginia-middle-school-instructs-children-to-write-out-their-submission-to-allah

This is outrageous!! Since when is ANY RELIGION being included as part of the school curriculum? I do agree that religion is a part of “World History” however, not in the manner the Charles County Public School System is presenting it, which in my opinion, borders on Islamic Indoctrination.

Quote:

Maybe your comprehension skills are lacking.
I clearly see you stating that the quran was not being taught in schools.
The 2 stories clearly show a part of the quran was being taught against the will of the parents.
lawsuits were brought, parent being banned all evidence of the case that you deny.

Ha! "Being taught" and "being taught about" are two completely different things.

But I just love the paranoia and the fear of anything not Christian to the likes of you guys.

2 stories that you couldn't find, that's like saying you couldn't find your own a$$ with 2 hands.[/quote]

Both of the stories are bunk.

If it were soooooo prevalent, then how come it took you all day to to scrounge up two pathetic non-examples?

I get it, you want to protect poor little mn.

Well, the fact is, he lied. Flat out - no other excuse .

A lie is a lie. Period.

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by verslagen1 on 10/26/18 at 13:38:15

Took me 5 minutes and most of that time was to type up a response, it took you all day to lie again.

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by MnSpring on 10/26/18 at 15:26:16

322C23222F322934460 wrote:

BULLSH!T.

https://www.wnd.com/2008/04/61129/
This one, is a, ‘Whistle Blower’, ‘The kids were corralled by adults and required to go to assembly for prayer’ Yet the he/she called tt, Believes Ford, but won’t believe, Amanda Getz.

https://www.wnd.com/2017/05/rebellion-grows-against-muslim-indoctrination-in-schools/

http://irgmn.org/
Click on the, ‘Teacher Resources’, You will find everything one needs to, ’teach’ in a public school,
which is happening in consecrated areas, The religion of Islam.
And, ’teachers’ are using those materials.
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/islamic-resource-group-islam-for-educators-tickets-49572335189
Here is another one. If Islam is NOT being taught. Then WHY, are their so many places selling, Islam Teaching Aids ?

https://www.cair.com/cair_mn_congratulates_minnesota_teen_winner_of_world_s_largest_quran_memorization_competition
Read this very carefully. The students that competed, were ’taught’, Where ?
Minnesotans Know where !

Here is the big one. (The got Caught, the rest haven’t yet)
https://www.inforum.com/news/3804826-opening-delayed-twin-cities-charter-school-accused-teaching-islam
"TiZA went bankrupt and then closed in 2011 after a flurry of lawsuits that centered on allegations that the school taught Islam and funneled state money meant to educate students to religious organizations”
I, was AT that Auction !!!!!!!! But the facts don’t matter to the he/she called tt.

And of course their are MANY reports by the, Red Star, er Star Tribune.
Yet I cannot link them, because I am FROZE out,
I don’t PAY them to look at their One Sided TDS tripe.
Perhaps you will have better luck.
http://www.startribune.com/

https://www.au.org/church-state/april-2011-church-state/people-events/lawsuit-over-islamic-charter-school-in-minn
https://www.twincities.com/2015/07/25/summit-charter-schools-shaky-start-continues/
https://www.newsmax.com/fastfeatures/school-prayer-minnesota-lawsuit/2015/06/20/id/651511/
https://www.globalmbwatch.com/2015/08/13/minnesota-charter-school-opening-blocked-over-concerns-about-us-muslim-brotherhood-ties/
https://stopthemadrassa.wordpress.com/2008/03/09/islamic-public-charter-school-in-minnesota-supported-by-the-muslim-american-society/
https://www.wnd.com/2017/05/rebellion-grows-against-muslim-indoctrination-in-schools/
http://www.citypages.com/news/tiza-islamic-themed-charter-school-closes-for-good-6552473
https://www.deseretnews.com/article/700207926/Can-religion-charter-schools-coexist.html
https://www.tcdailyplanet.net/islamic-school-aclu-reach-settlement-separation-church-and-state-case/

And that is 15 MIN worth !!!!!!

Depending on your browser, how you have your privacy settings, how much you are on social medias,
(because, if you don’t hide your browsing, they WILL, tailor your searchers to what, The Browser, wants you so see)

Now tt, you keep saying you are ‘male’.
So, ya Man enough to give a, “Apology”, for calling me a Liar multiple times.
Or are you gonna run and HIDE behind someones, ’skirt’ ?

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by MnSpring on 10/26/18 at 15:34:48

Ya that’s right, Just for the he/she called tt.

I am in and out all day.
I turn on the computer in the morning, then come back to it when I have time.

I was out in the shed, getting it ready for winter. Came in for a Break,
and saw, YOU, were spinning, spinning, spinning, and spinning.
Even assaulting someone else.

So I Took, (including this), probably 25 min,
to respond to the he/she called tt.

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by MnSpring on 10/26/18 at 16:05:15

A hobby of mine, is doing, ‘Field’ performance with Dogs.
I am also familiar with, ’Show’, dogs, and some of the requirements.

One such requirement, in the, ’Show’, world, is verifying the ability of a male dog, to be able to sire offspring. Therefore the Judge, will touch the ‘balls’ of the male dogs, (as well as all muscle groups, that’s why you see them running their hands accost the bodes)

Their are times, a person Showing a very good dog, (When that dog has had a condition which has required the removal of testicles), that, fake, testicles are implanted in the scrotum, to ‘Fool’ the Judge.

Always heard of a man, wanting to be a woman, has the, 'thingy' cut off.
Wonder if, a woman, wants to be a man, is their a fake scrotum, and fake balls sewn on?

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by T And T Garage on 10/26/18 at 17:11:36

LMAO - no proof, only conjecture and commentary/opinion.

You lose, liar.

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by MnSpring on 10/27/18 at 03:54:15

4F515E5F524F54493B0 wrote:

You lose, liar.

So when you are confronted with PROOF,
You still call someone a Lier.

No surprise, their !

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by T And T Garage on 10/27/18 at 08:49:43

1F3C0122203B3C35520 wrote:

[quote author=4F515E5F524F54493B0 link=1540419451/45#48 date=1540599096]
You lose, liar.

So when you are confronted with PROOF,
You still call someone a Lier.

No surprise, their ! - still too ignorant to use the proper word? Makes you look even sillier...

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D[/quote]

No - you countered with nothing but conjecture and opinions. You have no proof.

You lost. You lose.

You're a liar.

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by raydawg on 10/27/18 at 08:52:37

No - you countered with nothing but conjecture and opinions. You have no proof.

Yeah, I just believe her, LMAO!

NEXT :-*

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by T And T Garage on 10/27/18 at 08:55:57

2F3C24393C2A3A5D0 wrote:

No - you countered with nothing but conjecture and opinions. You have no proof.

Yeah, I just believe her, LMAO!

NEXT :-*

Not even the same thing ray.

Try to keep up, huh?

If you have nothing to contribute, maybe shut your yap.

Go have a cookie and turn on some cartoons...

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by raydawg on 10/27/18 at 09:55:26

746A656469746F72000 wrote:

[quote author=2F3C24393C2A3A5D0 link=1540419451/45#51 date=1540655557]No - you countered with nothing but conjecture and opinions. You have no proof.

Yeah, I just believe her, LMAO!

NEXT :-*

Not even the same thing ray.

Try to keep up, huh?

If you have nothing to contribute, maybe shut your yap.

Go have a cookie and turn on some cartoons...[/quote]

That’s all you got?

Pathetic ;D

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by T And T Garage on 10/27/18 at 10:00:07

41524A57524454330 wrote:

That’s all you got?

Pathetic ;D

Not even close to "all I got" ray.

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/27/18 at 11:30:09

Explain why you believe Ford who called witnesses who all disagreed with her, even a best friend.
Nobody provided any evidence of any sort that would support her claims, everyone said they have no idea what she is talking about.
Yet, you believe her.
Juanita Broderick, otoh, is a liar, but She's Got people who saw her and talked to her and the person who took her home.

That's not hypocrisy, that's idiocy.

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by T And T Garage on 10/27/18 at 11:42:10

342B2D2A3730013101392B276C5E0 wrote:

First off, this thread has gone way off track - nothing new.

But to answer your question directly, I simply believe her. How many time do you have to ask jog?

Here's an idea - get over it. I BELIEVE HER. End of discussion.

But please, tell me how that has anything to do with mn blatantly lying?

I don't see it.

I know he's your precious little boy, but that doesn't make him any less a liar.

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/27/18 at 11:54:33

The POINT is
With not only No Evidence to support her claims, she's shot down by every witness she called. And, his history of relationships with women screams, good guy. So, you choose to believe what has No Logical explanation.
That is enough to dismiss you as intellectually dishonest.
Coupled with the lunacy you pulled on me, you're completely without credibility.
You call liar when someone you disagree is simply incorrect.
Once in a while you say something that isn't separated from reason, but for the most part, you choose to believe what your agenda needs you to believe.
If you ever get honest, your head will explode.

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by T And T Garage on 10/28/18 at 08:29:37

7F6066617C7B4A7A4A72606C27150 wrote:

*yawn*....

Hmm? What was that you said jog?

Oh, nevermind, it's the same tripe you blather on about ad nauseam.

Why do you feel the need to protect your precious little mn?

He lied. Flat out. No questions about it.

Yet you feel the need to ridicule my belief of Dr. Ford's innocence.

You need to look in the mirror too. This is why we are where we are today in this country.

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by MnSpring on 10/28/18 at 09:03:39

302E21202D302B36440 wrote:

Why do you feel the need to protect your precious little mn? He lied. Flat out. No questions about it.

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by T And T Garage on 10/28/18 at 09:08:15

6C4F725153484F46210 wrote:

[quote author=302E21202D302B36440 link=1540419451/45#58 date=1540740577]Why do you feel the need to protect your precious little mn? He lied. Flat out. No questions about it.

LOLOLOLOLOL, given the absolute, proven, (and re-provable), truth.
The he/she called tt still does not believe it.

Well perhaps the tt will believe:
'I just got a job as a male stripper,
I go on stage at 1:45 AM,
and by 2:00 AM, the place is cleaned out.'
(Bar closing time is 2:00 AM here)

[/quote]

mn:
"It's already being done in some schools here in the inner city.
YET, teachings from the Bible AND The Torah, are BANNED."

You lied. You're a liar. Own it.

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by MnSpring on 10/28/18 at 09:21:00

Truly unfortunate the he/she called tt,
cannot read.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by T And T Garage on 10/28/18 at 09:22:13

4C6F527173686F66010 wrote:

Truly unfortunate the he/she called tt,
cannot read.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

You're just a liar.

That's all that needs to be said.

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by Eegore on 10/29/18 at 06:57:11

What I find interesting is that in most cases Christians are ok with a school teaching Christianity in exclusivity, but not ok if any other religion gets and extra day in a course curriculum.

I remember when we had to remove all the religious material from the high school library and there was this uproar about removing bibles. Bibles are religious material, the ruling was that religious material be removed. What they really wanted was everything except Christian/Catholic bibles removed.

Then it was this big ordeal when the religious material was brought back in about how bibles were removed and everything else was let in. Except the bibles were there, right with all the other material. Then it came down to book numbers, there was one more book about Buddhism than there were bibles, so that was a big deal even though it wasn't an issue that there were 4 more bibles than any other religion.

So it was ok to have more bibles but not ok to have less bibles than any other religion. I feel that this is part of the problem, people want more of their religion and less of others, not exactly the same. Also some people refuse to allow exposure to other religions, which is fine for them and their kids, but why stop anyone else from learning something new?

I have no data or references, this reflects my personal experiences and memories regarding religious materials in high school libraries that when compiled and posted represents my opinion.

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by T And T Garage on 10/29/18 at 06:59:11

5D7D7F776A7D180 wrote:

What I find interesting is that in most cases Christians are ok with a school teaching Christianity in exclusivity, but not ok if any other religion gets and extra day in a course curriculum.

I remember when we had to remove all the religious material from the high school library and there was this uproar about removing bibles. Bibles are religious material, the ruling was that religious material be removed. What they really wanted was everything except Christian/Catholic bibles.

Then it was this big ordeal when the religious material was brought back in about how bibles were removed and everything else was let in. Except the bibles were there, right with all the other material. Then it came down to book numbers, there was one more book about Buddhism than there were bibles, so that was a big deal even though it wasn't an issue that there were 4 more bibles than any other religion.

So it was ok to have more bibles but not ok to have less bibles than any other religion. I feel that this is part of the problem, people want more of their religion and less of others, not exactly the same. Also some people refuse to allow exposure to other religions, which is fine for them and their kids, but why stop anyone else from learning something new?

I have no data or references, this reflects my personal experiences and memories regarding religious materials in high school libraries that when compiled and posted represents my opinion.

Once again - well put Eegore

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by WebsterMark on 10/29/18 at 07:42:46

Christianity and the United States are closely woven together. I'm not positive the success and growth of the USA would have been possible without the influence of Christianity on America. It's a long, difficult process to pull them apart.

If you view the history of nations mostly Christian vs mostly Muslim vs mostly one of the various Eastern religions vs mostly secular, I think it's fair to say the mostly Christian nations have had the most positive influence on the world. But to be fair, when the world really began flourishing only a couple hundred years ago, Christianity dominated Europe and it was Europe who dominated the world so it's not like today.

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by Eegore on 10/29/18 at 10:01:03

I agree with the European distribution of Christianity, however I do not necessarily think it was the religion that helped Europeans initiate The Age of Discovery, but more so the environment they came from.

I think given the natural resources of the globe at that time that Europe would have began their expansion no matter what religion they mostly were, and spread.

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by WebsterMark on 10/29/18 at 10:10:53

I don't think so. One evidence to support that is much older civilizations such as China and Japan did not dominate the world as the Europeans and mostly Great Britain, did. (it's the same question I would ask of native Americans, if the north American continent is so loaded with natural resources, why didn't they develop modern technology before the Europeans did?) For all it's faults and certainly there were many, Christianity was more liberating for the society. Sure, you can point to Galileo being destroyed by the Church but it was that same society that allowed the genius of Galileo to flourish in the first place.

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by MShipley on 10/29/18 at 10:29:56

043631202736211E322138530 wrote:

There are reasons for what happened and Worldviews matter. Muslim countries used to be much more influential however the Muslim faith defines God as one that is inconsistent. What I mean is that God can make what is cold today hot tomorrow. What is considered wrong today can be considered right tomorrow. Since there are no real consistency in God's nature they do not consider LAWS of science to be valid (Of course if they design a building they do follow the laws of physics.

More pantheistic world views such as found in the Native Americans see Mother Earth as an autonomous thing which is not to be intervened upon. Their cultures never looked to such things because it would be an infringement of their purpose in nature.

The Christian faith says God created the world and man was put into dominion over it. It also claims the unchangeable Nature of God. Therefore we have the Laws of Science and Physics along with God's permission to pursue science.

I know that today it is believed that you can not mix science and the Christian faith (although I do not believe this) however it was the Christian faith that allowed scientist the path to science.

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by Serowbot on 10/29/18 at 10:51:11

Gravity is just a theory...
In what context have we all heard that?... :-/

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by Eegore on 10/29/18 at 12:19:44

"it's the same question I would ask of native Americans, if the north American continent is so loaded with natural resources, why didn't they develop modern technology before the Europeans did?) "

I recommend reading The Third Chimpanzee which provides a deal of insight regarding this. For instance European horses were considerably larger, and easier to tame and natural resource perception was considerably different. Nomadic lifestyles had more to do with conservation and natural travel than it did with religion.

To clarify I am not saying religion had nothing to do with it, I am saying that religion wasn't the thing that made Europe capable of mass travel, enslavement and colonization before others. My studies have shown it was a balance of economic and natural resource, technology, social structure, weather patterns and geographical location.

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by Eegore on 10/29/18 at 12:22:27

"I know that today it is believed that you can not mix science and the Christian faith (although I do not believe this) however it was the Christian faith that allowed scientist the path to science."

Isn't it just a matter of saying that each scientific advancement, like living-donor liver transplants is just another thing God gave us the ability to do?

Similar to the question of why God cures some ailments but not others, like cancer remission = God's Cure, but amputees have never grown back a limb so that's Gods Will.

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by WebsterMark on 10/29/18 at 12:42:12

To clarify I am not saying religion had nothing to do with it, I am saying that religion wasn't the thing that made Europe capable of mass travel, enslavement and colonization before others. My studies have shown it was a balance of economic and natural resource, technology, social structure, weather patterns and geographical location.

I don't buy the natural resource angle. The geographical landscape of the US is no more or less than that of continental Europe. Africa is likely the most blessed continent as far as natural resources goes, but most of it is a giant $hithole for humanity. Unless you're comparing Antarctica, natural resources isn't a factor.

Economies, technology are the result of society. Society is strongly influence by religion. Europe dominated and was dominated by Christianity. Too coincidental for my taste.

The Third Chimpanzee sounds interesting.

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by MShipley on 10/29/18 at 12:56:55

5676747C6176130 wrote:

Actually not at all, these things are not related: My statement means that the way we look at the world influences the way we react toward it. If you believe it is OK to build a castle then you will figure it out. If you believe it is Bad to build a castle then you will not ever attempt it nor figure out how to do it.

Toward your statements: If God does exist and he/she/it (wanna be proper) did create all that exist, then yes he already knows everything that we will ever discover.

As far as miracles go, no I do not think God chooses to heal this disease or that one. I think he will heal random people as he wishes. Yes, I think Science and discovery was given to us. Knowledge and discovery including how to do a transplant can only be discovered because it is possible in the first place. Man does not make anything possible, they only discover what is possible. What you see on TV by so called Christians is just crap. But remember, anyone can claim to be anything in this world including a Christian.

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by MShipley on 10/29/18 at 12:59:51

Web said: Economies, technology are the result of society. Society is strongly influence by religion. Europe dominated and was dominated by Christianity. Too coincidental for my taste.

For a good example look at the little island that holds Haiti and the Dominican Republic. Society and belief makes a big difference.

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by WebsterMark on 10/29/18 at 13:07:17

absolutely, I agree.

My company has location in Puerto Rico. They sell a bunch of product to pharmaceutical companies in PR and DR. Anything in Haiti? Nope. As Trump said, its a $hithole.

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by raydawg on 10/29/18 at 13:46:51

I feel the answer in right in front of us, yet passed.....

Not sure if I can advance my thoughts in a manner that represents anything remotely coherent in nature....
But I’ll try.

Religion fails, with me being more familiar with the Judeo-Christian perspectives, is because folks to not adhere to its basic principles.
It is not about the biggest church, organization, enfluncing, sway...no.
And this I believe is why religion is under a perceived assault.

Folks use their beliefs/religion, to govern and promote policies....
The very element our founders escaped from, and tried to write into our system of governance, to avoid that pitfall.

Faith/belief, is a internal journey, that if used in the manner intended, your witness will be the cause in effect that invite others to investigate, join, in that understanding.
It’s not self promotion, no, but self awareness with all our inherent faults and failings.....
Using any religious doctrine to judge others, is asking for failure when those who preach it, don’t adhere to it themselves.

You have just as much sin in the church, as you do out of the church, yet, so many in the congregation look past themselves, while faulting others who don’t proclaim their same faith....

Well golly gee....
Sounds like a parent who doesn’t work, drinks to excess, smokes, swears, while threatening his children with punishment if they do the same.....

These folks have turned off folks to “God”.

Is it any reason it seems false, a lie, hypocrisy?

Then on the opposite spectrum, you have the “anti-religion” who want to force ANY religion out of society....
Preaching tolerance while promoting laws against expression, with adherence to their “moral” standards of equality as long as it’s the same as theirs....

But again, their power, or sway would be a non enitity IF folks used their religion to be a better person THEMSELVES, instead of trying to force it on others....

So much of what is happening around us is because we try and control it, when in all truth, we can’t even control ourselves.

I will use a current event as example.
Who, that has offered ANY advice, or critique, of the caravan coming up Mexico to the USA, leveling charges either way, of the handling, etc, has ever, sent money to organization that can help these folks so they would never have to do this in the first place?

So much of life is spent reacting, only because we didn’t ACT, when we could have made a difference.
But again, when it’s all about us, our own welfare, beliefs, etc, first....
Then what right do we have to deman anything, from anyone else?

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by Eegore on 10/30/18 at 05:26:00

"I don't buy the natural resource angle. The geographical landscape of the US is no more or less than that of continental Europe. Africa is likely the most blessed continent as far as natural resources goes, but most of it is a giant $hithole for humanity. Unless you're comparing Antarctica, natural resources isn't a factor."

Interesting outlook. I think the ability to acquire food, a natural resource, is applicable to the growth and expansion of human culture. Agriculture in early Egypt developing irrigation is an example. Mexico is almost exclusively Christian/Catholic and their economic situation isn't anything close development wise to Europe's Christian economic development. To say that in the time of Age of Discovery that food acquisition had zero bearing on human growth seems a bit of a stretch..

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by WebsterMark on 10/30/18 at 05:56:03

Then why didn't Egypt develop into the powerhouse that Great Britain did?

Society is complex and and when looking at ancient societies, we're nothing but detectives trying to piece together a narrative based on clues in this case thousands of years old. It could have been a very simple singular event that caused one society to dominate or it could have been a series of unique events that could never again be duplicated.

My thought is Christianity played a major role because religion was far more vital to every day life back then and the society that dominated was christian based so I see that as more than a coincidence.

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by Eegore on 10/30/18 at 06:59:57

"Then why didn't Egypt develop into the powerhouse that Great Britain did?"

I'd say its a balance of economic and natural resource, technology, social structure, weather patterns and geographical location. I believe if Egypt was primarily Christian that they would have had similar results based off of a comprehensive view, especially not removing the availability of water, or food, all natural resources. I'm not sure why natural resources should be completely removed from assessing any cultures ability to provide, and expand.

By your assessment method if Egypt was geographically void of a fresh water supply, but Christian, they would have been capable of expanding as Great Britain did, considerably earlier in time (3050 - 30 BC compared to 1490–1522) because natural resources aren't part of the equation for geographical and societal expansion and influence. Or am I not understanding you correctly?

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by Eegore on 10/30/18 at 07:05:21

"Who, that has offered ANY advice, or critique, of the caravan coming up Mexico to the USA, leveling charges either way, of the handling, etc, has ever, sent money to organization that can help these folks so they would never have to do this in the first place?"

This is probably the only question that will get any results.

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by WebsterMark on 10/30/18 at 07:14:47

4E6E6C64796E0B0 wrote:

Countless number of charitable organizations as well as government funds. Clearly, that's not having any effect. Corruptions is ingrained in those cultures making economic progress difficult if not impossible.

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by WebsterMark on 10/30/18 at 07:21:49

7151535B4651340 wrote:

I'm saying every geographical area has its positives and negatives. You can't squeeze water out of a turnip and you can't get water out of a desert. But you can develop trade with neighboring nations assuming there is a level of trust.

As I said, I'm not sure why, but I think Christianity played a major role because it's just too coincidental that the nations that prospered the greatest during the world's fastest industrial growth had Christianity as their dominant religion.

Look at it this way, if human civilizations has been around 200-300,000 years, it's only been in the last couple hundred years where technology took a gigantic leap forward. For 99% of human history, we were barely above stone age when all of a sudden, boom! And that boom took place mostly in Christian nations. Coincidence? Maybe, maybe not.

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by MShipley on 10/30/18 at 07:48:58

6B4B49415C4B2E0 wrote:

[color=#0000ff]I do, My church and I go there all the time. Honduras, Nicaragua and Guatemala. I have personally made 16 week long trips over the last 8 years, my dime, my vacation time. We build homes, churches, medical centers. We feed the the children and educate them. We teach English as a second language.

Look guys, I am not telling you this to pat myself on the back. I am telling you so that you Maybe, just Maybe will stop pointing fingers and actually DO SOMETHING. I even offered recently on this Forum to take anyone that wants to go but have not gotten any replies. I don't care if you are Left or Right. But you know what? Talk is cheap. When you want to sit back and ask why God is not doing anything remember this. He did do something. He created YOU.

Here is the problem with the caravan. It does nothing but raise animosity against their own. The people in the caravans are the ones health enough to get here, they are the strong and they are able bodied. All those that really NEED your help are still there. The cost in the USA to support these few would take care of 100,000 if they stayed where they are at. These strong and able bodied people should be staying and helping the needy there instead of fleeing. They are not being killed.

I am going to make a shameless pitch here but if you REALLY care about the people down there go to Chosen Children's Ministries web site and at least donate. You will never spend your money more wisely.

One of the places we work at in Managua is the city Landfill. People live there, especially children. They sleep under boxes, they eat what they can find. We take them food and the Gospel. Food for the soul and the Gospel for the hope that someday they will find justice and not be forgotten. On one particular trip I met a woman and her three children. Her husband died and they had no family. There is NO GOVERNMENT HELP in Nicaragua so they live in the Landfill. The youngest was a little 4 year old girl that I wanted to stuff in my suitcase. We tried to get the government to let us build a home with showers and all out on the property but they will not allow it.

Everyone on this site is RICH, just because you have a computer and internet service. I personally am not going to sit around, complain, and wait for someone else to do anything. I am doing what I can today. Our next trip is in February if anyone is interested.

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/30/18 at 07:53:20

Then why didn't Egypt develop into the powerhouse that Great Britain did?

Then why didn't Africa develop into the powerhouse that Great Britain did?

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by Eegore on 10/30/18 at 08:33:08

Then why didn't Egypt develop into the powerhouse that Great Britain did?

Then why didn't Africa develop into the powerhouse that Great Britain did?

Do you mean at the same times? Egypt was a powerhouse, Britain wasn't even close, at the time.

If China is an economic powerhouse in 2000 years is it a fair comparison to completely discount the Industrial Revolution and just say China had a better religion?

All I am saying is that I don't think religion is exclusively the reason why a society expands. Saying natural resources, like food, isn't relevant to calculating a societies ability to expand seems odd to me, I mean how did they feed those people?

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/30/18 at 08:43:20

Not developing into a
Powerhouse
Isn't a condemnation of a society.
Motive, reason for living, determine goals. Without goals, it's unimportant to determine ability.
Without ability
Goals become irrelevant.

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by Eegore on 10/30/18 at 08:50:48

I wasn't condemning any society, I was stating that I thought a multitude of components come into play when assessing the expansion of a society over a specific time frame, not exclusively religion. I've not seen a situation where a religion can feed an army, or sailing expedition from a region that does not have the natural resources to provide that food, even if that religion was different, or non-existent.

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/30/18 at 09:05:31

I didn't say you were.
OP asked a question.
Why is becoming a military powerhouse somehow equivalent to greatness?
Power might be a Greatness
But is that THE measure?
What about some of the American Indian tribes? Were their desires for understanding not great?
What's greatness? Industrialization?
Where are the skyscrapers of Africa?
Weren't there people there long ago?
Where is the African in the history of industrialized countries? What does that say?
There are so many possible answers that it would make a P.H.D. dissertation to even hope to address them.
Interests and goals are based on what people want and what they believe is possible.
Not everyone Wants a battleship.

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by Eegore on 10/30/18 at 09:15:03

I want a battleship.

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by MShipley on 10/30/18 at 09:20:59

6545474F5245200 wrote:

I want a battleship.

LOL, you stole my comment.

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/30/18 at 10:06:32

Excellent dodge of a philosophical point.

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by verslagen1 on 10/30/18 at 10:41:51

332C2A2D30370636063E2C206B590 wrote:

Where are the pyramids of Britain?
The great library of Alexandria was a 1st of it's kind and was swallowed up by the sea... can you say climate change?

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by WebsterMark on 10/30/18 at 10:54:41

Interests and goals are based on what people want and what they believe is possible.

Now that's a sentence worthy of deeper consideration and discussion.

Is it what they want and believe possible?......

Let's look at these $hithole countries people are fleeing and ask that question. Is it (meaning safety and prosperity) what they want? I'd have to say yes to that question, who wouldn't want that.

Do they believe it possible meaning is it possible in their country to achieve that? I'd have to say no. Their society is stuck and can't move forward, only backwards. If the US were not here, they'd have no hope.

In modern times, has their been a nation in what we'll call $hithole status, rise above? If so, how did they do it? What role did religion play?

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by Eegore on 10/30/18 at 10:58:20

"Excellent dodge of a philosophical point."

To clarify:

The statement "I want a battleship" while written in a capacity to implement a small degree of levity is also an acknowledgement that the sentence"Not everyone Wants a battleship" makes sense to me personally.

The statement "I want a battleship" is not intended to evade, dodge, divert or otherwise attempt to not acknowledge the sentence "Not everyone Wants a battleship" by any means. It clearly makes its intended point.

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by Eegore on 10/30/18 at 11:01:18

"In modern times, has their been a nation in what we'll call $hithole status, rise above? If so, how did they do it? What role did religion play? "

What timeframe do you consider "modern times"?

What classifies a $hithole country that is within the timeframe?

What do you consider "rise above"? Above what? Economic GDP, birth mortality rates etc?

What religions are acceptable ones to place into population percentages?

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by WebsterMark on 10/30/18 at 11:49:58

What timeframe do you consider "modern times"?
Let's say post WWII. And I just thought of an interesting candidate; Vietnam.

What classifies a $hithole country that is within the timeframe?
Like porn, you know it when you see it.

What do you consider "rise above"? Above what? Economic GDP, birth mortality rates etc?
Maybe a way to say it is it went from being a place you'd never consider to visit on vacation to a place you would have no fear of visiting.

What religions are acceptable ones to place into population percentages?
Hell I don't know..... place away freely.

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/30/18 at 14:30:21

7D5D5F574A5D380 wrote:

I'm glad it meant something to you.
I don't think TT got it.

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by T And T Garage on 10/30/18 at 14:51:37

46595F5845427343734B59551E2C0 wrote:

[quote author=7D5D5F574A5D380 link=1540419451/90#94 date=1540922300]"Excellent dodge of a philosophical point."

To clarify:

The statement "I want a battleship" while written in a capacity to implement a small degree of levity is also an acknowledgement that the sentence"Not everyone Wants a battleship" makes sense to me personally.

The statement "I want a battleship" is not intended to evade, dodge, divert or otherwise attempt to not acknowledge the sentence "Not everyone Wants a battleship" by any means. It clearly makes its intended point.

I'm glad it meant something to you.
I don't think TT got it.
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Are you calling me out jog?

Am I that deep under your skin too?

LOL - I love it!

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by MnSpring on 10/31/18 at 18:09:24

594748494459425F2D0 wrote:

Am I that deep under your skin too?

A song on the radio today.
“Sometimes your the Bug,
Sometimes your the Windshield’

tt, what is it that, ‘crawls under someones skin’ ?

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Did not know, you Like to be the, BUG, so much !

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: WTF is WRONG with people?
Post by T And T Garage on 10/31/18 at 20:00:44

51724F6C6E75727B1C0 wrote:

[quote author=594748494459425F2D0 link=1540419451/90#98 date=1540936297]Am I that deep under your skin too?