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Message started by WebsterMark on 10/11/18 at 08:21:15

Title: Eric Holder for President
Post by WebsterMark on 10/11/18 at 08:21:15

Is this what Holder was talking about when he said kick them?....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7SqtIe5rZQ

When Gabby Giffords was shot, Sarah Palin was blamed because she put a picture of key Democratic seats that were targets in the upcoming election. They were pointed out in gun sight profiles, a common method of identifying targets. (We had a big meeting a work recently and someone did the same.)

Hilary just said it's impossible to be civil to Republicans. The Kavanaugh protest were conducted with undertones of violence. We saw protestors clawing at the doors of the Supreme Court and antifa in Portland chasing down an old man. Rand Paul has retold the story that when the shooting started on the baseball field, the guy was yelling "this is for healthcare." Apparently negro is okay to use again since CNN is calling kayne west a house negro etc....

I've long contended that the left is inherently violent. The left is organized around the concept of change so there's always an element of fighting against the status quo so perhaps that's why its unavoidable.

What happens if the right decides to fight fire with fire? What if me and my friends take off work (see what I did there.....!) and started marching?

Project forward and imagine what happens when (as I think will happen) the Republicans keep the House and Senate.

Title: Re: Eric Holder for President
Post by Eegore on 10/11/18 at 10:14:23

I assume if we all start marching nothing will get done.

Title: Re: Eric Holder for President
Post by Serowbot on 10/11/18 at 10:21:59

We'll lose some weight... :P

Title: Re: Eric Holder for President
Post by verslagen1 on 10/11/18 at 10:54:08

And what will we chant?
Tastes better or less filling?
... I like beer? [smiley=beer.gif]

Title: Re: Eric Holder for President
Post by WebsterMark on 10/11/18 at 11:01:14

God bless Brett Kavanaugh because when I'm out and get asked "What can I get you to drink, I answe in my best Kavanaugh impersonation, "Beer. I like beer. I still do. I want beer."

Title: Re: Eric Holder for President
Post by LostArtist on 10/11/18 at 14:02:40

0B393E2F28392E113D2E375C0 wrote:

Is this what Holder was talking about when he said kick them?....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7SqtIe5rZQ

When Gabby Giffords was shot, Sarah Palin was blamed because she put a picture of key Democratic seats that were targets in the upcoming election. They were pointed out in gun sight profiles, a common method of identifying targets. (We had a big meeting a work recently and someone did the same.)

Hilary just said it's impossible to be civil to Republicans. The Kavanaugh protest were conducted with undertones of violence. We saw protestors clawing at the doors of the Supreme Court and antifa in Portland chasing down an old man. Rand Paul has retold the story that when the shooting started on the baseball field, the guy was yelling "this is for healthcare." Apparently negro is okay to use again since CNN is calling kayne west a house negro etc....

I've long contended that the left is inherently violent.

and you've been proven wrong, again and again and again, yet you continue to hold this belief....

The left is organized around the concept of change so there's always an element of fighting against the status quo so perhaps that's why its unavoidable.

well, when the status quo is rape and lynching......

forget Kavanaugh, talking about guilty until proven innocent, Trayvon Martin, etc. come to mind...

What happens if the right decides to fight fire with fire? What if me and my friends take off work (see what I did there.....!) and started marching?

why would you take off work???

Project forward and imagine what happens when (as I think will happen) the Republicans keep the House and Senate.

they'll probably keep the Senate, but the House is blue, it just doesn't know it yet

Title: Re: Eric Holder for President
Post by Serowbot on 10/11/18 at 15:04:53

566463727564734C60736A010 wrote:

I've long contended that the left is inherently violent. The left is organized around the concept of change so there's always an element of fighting against the status quo so perhaps that's why its unavoidable.

Title: Re: Eric Holder for President
Post by WebsterMark on 10/12/18 at 05:47:27

well, when the status quo is rape and lynching...

there are politically motivated rapes and lynchings occurring?

Title: Re: Eric Holder for President
Post by WebsterMark on 10/12/18 at 05:49:57

2630273A22373A21550 wrote:

[quote author=566463727564734C60736A010 link=1539271275/0#0 date=1539271275]
I've long contended that the left is inherently violent. The left is organized around the concept of change so there's always an element of fighting against the status quo so perhaps that's why its unavoidable.

Maybe your beliefs are not based in reality... :-?
Fear and Anxiety Drive Conservatives' Political Attitudes
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mind-in-the-machine/201612/fear-and-anxiety-drive-conservatives-political-attitudes[/quote]

If true, that's because conservatives are the adults, liberals are the children running about, playing dress up and other games. Somebody's gotta put food on the table and keep the lights on.

Title: Re: Eric Holder for President
Post by Eegore on 10/12/18 at 07:25:56

This is one of the first replicated studies on this topic:

https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(11)00289-2

MRI images of human brains can accurately predict a person's political affiliation in the US. Its pretty interesting stuff.

I have been wondering why given the technology we have now, that psychology still largely remains the only medical field that doesn't look at the organ it is treating.

Title: Re: Eric Holder for President
Post by LostArtist on 10/12/18 at 08:00:29

360403121504132C00130A610 wrote:

well, when the status quo is rape and lynching...

there are politically motivated rapes and lynchings occurring?

there were, until the progressives (not democrats) said enough is enough

Title: Re: Eric Holder for President
Post by LostArtist on 10/12/18 at 08:16:25

oh and to your point that Eric Holder is actually encouraging violence on that.....

you're either just stoking the flames of the ignorant or you are ignorant

it's metaphorical, just ask yourself, are the republicans and conservatives actually going low, like physically low??? then Holder isn't saying to physically kick them, this kid is ignorant, and we've seen worse at Trump rallies when conservatives there attack liberal protesters, and no worry, Trump's got the legal bills

Title: Re: Eric Holder for President
Post by MnSpring on 10/12/18 at 10:04:49

694A56516457514C5651250 wrote:

oh and to your point that Eric Holder is actually encouraging violence on that.....

Would that be this, Eric Holder ?

“…(Mr. Holder’s comments came as he was speaking at an event…) “Michelle [Obama] always says ‘When they go low, we go high.’ No. No. When they go low, we kick them,” he said as the crowd cheered….”

“…"There's no question about that," Holder told CNN. "You know, I'm a progressive Democrat committed to the ideals of my party and proud of the work that I did as attorney general.” …”

"…Holder was getting paid $25,000 per month to serve as outside counsel to the heavily-Democratic California state legislature to counter the Trump administration. The legislation he supported Monday would prevent state police from helping to enforce immigration law, and Holder traveled across the country to promote it….”

“…Holder is also preparing to start "a national, privately funded, PAC-like organization that would develop and coordinate legal resistance strategies among various states and localities that are determined to stymie Trump,” according to Yahoo….”

“…"California is leading," he added. "California is doing the right thing. This is something that needs to be done nationwide.”…”

Then their is this, ’Snowflake’ talk !
“…Former Attorney General Eric Holder defended his comment about “kick[ing]” Republicans on Thursday, telling his critics to “stop the fake outrage.”…”

Title: Re: Eric Holder for President
Post by T And T Garage on 10/12/18 at 12:01:40

1A282F3E39283F002C3F264D0 wrote:

I don't think you have to worry about the republicans keeping the House.

Further, we've been down this path before. The left is no more violent than the right. Might I remind you that the white nationalists, the nazis and the KKK are all right wing groups? And in the case of budweiser brett - he's sitting on the bench while Dr. Ford is literally fearing for her life.

Instead of just shining a light on it, do something about it - something non-violent. Step back, take a breath and be rational. Show us some alternatives.

Lead by example, stop pointing fingers and blaming.

Title: Re: Eric Holder for President
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/12/18 at 12:19:58

I'm not an arsonist.
I WILL point out arsonists
And
Blame them for the fires.

Title: Re: Eric Holder for President
Post by T And T Garage on 10/12/18 at 12:38:04

37282E2934330232023A28246F5D0 wrote:

I'm not an arsonist.
I WILL point out arsonists
And
Blame them for the fires.

Fine, but would you point out arsonists in your own family? Maybe your best friend is an arsonist - would you call him out/turn him in?

Title: Re: Eric Holder for President
Post by WebsterMark on 10/12/18 at 13:07:27

Title: Re: Eric Holder for President
Post by T And T Garage on 10/12/18 at 13:29:02

774542535445526D41524B200 wrote:

Might I remind you that the white nationalists, the nazis and the KKK are all right wing groups?

the Nazi's are socialist much more philosphically aligned with the left. The KKK is nothing, but if you want to throw them on the right fine, go ahead. I'll throw Black Lives Matter and antifa on the left. The blood of a bunch of cops murdered last year sits on your side now.

Fair?

Sure, if your side takes responsibility with the death threats that Dr. Ford is getting, the nazi that's running as a republican in Illinois, the white nationalists actually marching with torches in Charlottesville, trump inciting violence at his campaign rallies, dylan roof, and others.

The fact is mark - the far-right was responsible for the majority of America’s extremist killings in 2017
http://qz.com/1182778/the-far-right-was-responsible-for-the-majority-of-extremist-killings-in-2017/

And in the case of budweiser brett - he's sitting on the bench while Dr. Ford is literally fearing for her life.

At some point in the future, not sure how long, the absolute truth will come out about Ford and it will be she made the whole thing up, the same as the other woman.

I don't think so. It never did with Anita Hill - but then again, it did. I think she told it like it was.

It defies common sense for it to be otherwise.

Since when does common sense dictate human behavior? We have people dancing with snakes in churches, we have idiots that tattoo their eyeballs, we have other morons that pierce their genitals.. on purpose!!

You may want to ignore the fact she lied about the door, but that is a darning fact. Brett Kavanaugh did not assault Christine Ford. It's time to simply accept that as reality.

No, I don't think so. I think it's just the opposite - and it's possible that justice roberts thinks so too.

The real culprit in this is Diane Feinstein and the rest of the Democrats on the Sentate Judiciary Committee.

Again, I'm not fan of difi, but she was acting on behalf of Dr. Ford.

Title: Re: Eric Holder for President
Post by WebsterMark on 10/13/18 at 07:05:49

Title: Re: Eric Holder for President
Post by T And T Garage on 10/14/18 at 07:39:42

506265747362754A66756C070 wrote:

You may want to ignore the fact she lied about the door, but that is a darning fact. Brett Kavanaugh did not assault Christine Ford. It's time to simply accept that as reality.

No, I don't think so. I think it's just the opposite - and it's possible that justice roberts thinks so too.

Picture yourself on a jury. The prosecution presents it's case; Dr Ford's testimony. The Defense then rebuts her testimony by proving the second door scenario which supposedly set this whole turn of events off never happened. The door was installed years earlier, so they could rent their part of their house out to Google interns and business. Also the couple's therapist was the business renting out space in 2012. Dr Ford says her husband reminded her in 2018 that back in 2012 she mentioned Kavanaugh's name, she never admits she ever said his name to the theorist. Dr Ford refused to allow the therapist’s notes to be put into evidence. The defense also shows there was never a demonstration of a fear of flying as she was a global traveler, not for business, but to pursue recreational hobbies. Her main witness denied even knowing the accused. As the defense, you show she couldn't even remember if an hours long lie detector test was done on the day of her grandmother's funeral nor if it was filmed or recorded.

Now, are you going to tell me you'd vote to convict Kavanaugh based on this? Remember, you're on a jury. It is not the case that in your mind Kavanaugh's guilt or innocence is a blank slate. He's 100% innocent until the prosecution pursued you he's guilty.

There is no conviction. This isn't a court case. This all plays back to his character. She did in fact mention brett by name to her therapist in 2012. The whole door thing is secondary - and there is no concrete proof either way what the purpose was. The hard fact is she put herself up for ridicule and now, her life is being threatened. She had nothing to gain, and (for now) has lost everything.

Meanwhile, he totally fell apart during his hearing. Now, you can say that's because he was wrongly accused. That's still no excuse. He's applying for the highest court in the land, his temperament isn't up to the task. Go ahead and say what you will about Dr. Ford, but one look at brett shows that he's unqualified to serve.

But again, this is a moot point. He's on the bench for life. He's deeply partisan towards trump. He may wind up protecting trump if there's an impeachment.

This is truly a sad time for America.

No one could possibly vote him guilty based on the facts.

Tell me how you could?

See above. And I'm not alone - not my a long shot.

Title: Re: Eric Holder for President
Post by MnSpring on 10/14/18 at 15:24:00

2F313E3F322F34295B0 wrote:

the case of budweiser brett -

Here’s the deal,
put the: Nazis and the KKK
In a cage with the BLM & antifa
Then walk away.

Oh Wait, can’t do that.
tt will say it's, 'Racist' !

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Eric Holder for President
Post by WebsterMark on 10/14/18 at 16:12:46

There is no conviction. This isn't a court case. This all plays back to his character. She did in fact mention brett by name to her therapist in 2012. The whole door thing is secondary - and there is no concrete proof either way what the purpose was. The hard fact is she put herself up for ridicule and now, her life is being threatened. She had nothing to gain, and (for now) has lost everything.

1) I said 'picture yourself on a jury' meaning this is something of a hypothetical.
2) And honestly, it is something of a trial. The witness' are sworn and face charges of perjury so its more a trial than a job interview.

So, based on that, let's continue.

She did in fact mention brett by name to her therapist in 2012.
No, we don't know that. What she said was she didn't recall saying his name but said her husband in 2018 said that back in 2012 she said his name. She did not turn over the notes taken by her therapist.

The whole door thing is secondary - and there is no concrete proof either way what the purpose was
No, that's been shown to be an absolute fact. She lied about that or at the very least, did not remember the reason or the year it was done. If you remember her testimony however, she was positive about the year and the reason. Hard to believe that was an slip of the memory. And if it was the case she didn't remember correctly, just how seriously can you take her charge that she knew without a doubt it was kavanaugh? Not very.

She had nothing to gain,
She was shown to have marched in very strong anti-Trump marches. She donated a fairly large sum to HRC. Kavanaugh's name was mentioned as one of the top 5 BEFORE her letter to DiFi was sent. Being a very strong anti-Trump person and someone who took the steps to protest against Trump, it's likely either she or her like minded friends knew that. Realizing she went to high school near Trump's Supreme Court pick and perhaps even remembered meeting Kavanaugh or perhaps knew people who knew him while they were in high school could have given her the idea to make up a story to discredit him. Being the one to put that much damage to Trump would be a strong motive. To say she had nothing to gain simply isn't true.

Also, since we don't have the therapist notes, we don't know the reason for the couple's session. Personally, i think she got caugh having an affair and a made up story about a sexual assault as a way of explaining away a problem has been done a million times before. Ask the former Governor of Missouri about that one.

The lie about the door is huge as is the lie about fear of flying and not knowing if the lie detector test was done on the day of her grandmother's funeral. Her ex-boyfriend said she helped at least one other person learn about polygraph tests but he didn't testify under oath, at least I don't think he did.

There's just too many red flags for this to add up. She lied about Kavanaugh being the one who assaulted her, perhaps lied about being assaulted at all.

No jury would ever convict Kavanaugh and no grand jury would even indict. Although this will never happen, she could be brought up on perjury charges about the door.

Kavanaugh's behavior to the committee afterwards doesn’t come into play for this mock trial.

Title: Re: Eric Holder for President
Post by T And T Garage on 10/14/18 at 18:58:51

193A0724263D3A33540 wrote:

[quote author=2F313E3F322F34295B0 link=1539271275/0#13 date=1539370900] the case of budweiser brett -

Here’s the deal,
put the: Nazis and the KKK
In a cage with the BLM & antifa
Then walk away.

Oh Wait, can’t do that.
tt will say it's, 'Racist' !

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
[/quote]

So, what does that have to do with brett??

Are you trying to make some kinda point or?.....

Title: Re: Eric Holder for President
Post by T And T Garage on 10/14/18 at 19:01:37

1A282F3E39283F002C3F264D0 wrote:

Hey mark - get over it. It's done. He's on the bench. I still believe her - as do millions of others.

There is now a partisan hack on the bench of the SCOTUS.

Well done pubs....