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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> Shop told me my 02 Savage has a Blown Head Gasket /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1534283216 Message started by LukeSJ on 08/14/18 at 14:46:56 |
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Title: Shop told me my 02 Savage has a Blown Head Gasket Post by LukeSJ on 08/14/18 at 14:46:56 -2002 Suzuki Savage LS 650 fully stock- I've owned the bike for 10 months. I am the second owner. I bought it for 1600 in what looked to me like fantastic condition (this is my first bike by the way). The previous owner said they "babied it" and being the well read first time buyer that I am, I went ahead with the purchase. The first few months were fun but then issues started to arise. ~Please feel free to have a chuckle at my expense as I continue to type and ask for help from the endless wisdom that I have found this website to be.~ So I noticed it backfired and let everyone at the local watering hole that I had arrived. I googled this and found that the previous owner probably stumbled across this website and found some tips and tricks to help as the air screw was exposed and appeared to be tampered with. I tampered further to try to get the idle just right, but no success on extinguishing a backfire. Time rolls on and the bike shuts off while running. Sputter...sputter...sputter...click...*unwinding sound ensues* I safely maneuver over to the curb, give her a second, i try again, she starts right up and I resume my journey. Other times she wouldnt even start! SO I replaced the battery (which did in fact need replacing) and thought all was well.. and it was for like a week. I am savvy enough to change my oil on the things i own so i changed the oil recently with whats recommend here. Then the real issues started. The bike continued to shut off while driving and I concluded this to be a carbuerator issue. I dont have the tools nor space at my place to work on this myself (well i could make space) but i thought, "better let a professional handle this one" and i called all the local shops in my SoCal area and found the most reasonable deal for getting the bike looked at and serviced. The shop is one of the better known in the area and i paid $200 for a total check and a carb clean. Once i got the bike back, the shop told they tightened everything, cleaned her up then proceeded with 2 more things: 1. The bike was idling way too high, so they turned it down. While riding it home the bike was so quiet, i thought it may have shut off again. Nope it was still on, just quiet. 2. The head gasket was blown and would need replacing eventually. They quoted me $800 for the job and said something about how theres a leak all over the engine (which i thought was normal) and that air pressure was off or somethin like that. I dont remember exactly.. From what Ive read on this website, Savages rarely blow head gaskets if at all. Surely i havent done anything exceptional to be the outlier... I havent even put 200 miles on the bike since i bought it!!! Im a business guy with very basic understanding of mechanical stuff. Since then Ive been trying to sell my bike but the market doesnt exactly like the sound of a leaky head gasket. Any tips? advice? maybe a good pointed direction to where i can find a solution? Ive actually decided to put the elbow grease into fixing her and this is my first stop becuase i really do love my bike. All time, consideration and input is greatly appreciated. r/ Luke |
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Title: Re: Shop told me my 02 Savage has a Blown Head Gas Post by stewmills on 08/14/18 at 14:59:13 What's the total mileage? Note what city you're in...we have some members that may be close by and willing to lend a hand. |
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Title: Re: Shop told me my 02 Savage has a Blown Head Gas Post by verslagen1 on 08/14/18 at 15:28:15 Maybe he doesn't know about the head plug... that's probably your problem. or you misunderstood him. Plus you petcock is over 15 years old, and that's causing the cutting out issue. see test your petcock in the tech section. Yep SoCal is a big place. Narrow it down for us. |
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Title: Re: Shop told me my 02 Savage has a Blown Head Gas Post by LukeSJ on 08/14/18 at 15:46:02 Im in the Corona/Riverside area, little town called Norco. Total mileage is 20,389. and i did read about the plug thing, thats where i was hearing that head gaskets dont blow on these things. Is it common for shops to misdiagnose this issue? Below is link of my bike on the facebook marketplace: https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1905146656172407/ |
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Title: Re: Shop told me my 02 Savage has a Blown Head Gas Post by GOF on 08/14/18 at 15:46:39 Basic tools will do most of what you need. The oil leak is most probably the head plug. Lots of information here on that repair. Don't know if your petcock is bad or not. But it is a simple and inexpensive thing to change. See posts on Raptor petcock. The most difficult part of the job is remembering to shut it off when you park the bike. ;) |
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Title: Re: Shop told me my 02 Savage has a Blown Head Gas Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/14/18 at 16:44:39 Recommend you lay eyes on the cam chain tensioner before you start it again |
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Title: Re: Shop told me my 02 Savage has a Blown Head Gas Post by Gary_in_NJ on 08/14/18 at 16:56:59 506977794F561C0 wrote:
No, but it is common for them to take advantage of a situation. An owner that isn't that knowledgeable is their favorite customer. The head gaskets on these bikes are indestructible. |
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Title: Re: Shop told me my 02 Savage has a Blown Head Gas Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/14/18 at 19:11:01 4F45414B40494D441A1C18280 wrote:
No, but it is common for them to take advantage of a situation. An owner that isn't that knowledgeable is their favorite customer. The head gaskets on these bikes are indestructible. [/quote] IOW, they are somehow able to be very wrong, but naturally it's not malicious or intentional. Seems like a common problem. |
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Title: Re: Shop told me my 02 Savage has a Blown Head Gas Post by LukeSJ on 08/14/18 at 20:04:16 Again I very much appreciate the input. I looked into the cam chain tensioner, I don't have any issues that would indicate that being the issue i.e. grindy clanky noise. I looked at the engine again and it looks like the leak IS in fact coming from where this plug is. Gonna move forward in researching how to fix, start with a Clymers manual I assume? and pray to Lord above that all goes well with my attempt to fix...if not, then there's always beer |
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Title: Re: Shop told me my 02 Savage has a Blown Head Gas Post by jcstokes on 08/14/18 at 20:36:38 Note a post about errors in the Clymers manual, particularly about engine rotation. |
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Title: Re: Shop told me my 02 Savage has a Blown Head Gas Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/14/18 at 20:54:09 looked into the cam chain tensioner, I don't have any issues that would indicate that being the issue i.e. grindy clanky noise. How far is it extended? |
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Title: Re: Shop told me my 02 Savage has a Blown Head Gas Post by verslagen1 on 08/14/18 at 21:03:06 tech section is your friend... http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=tech;action=display;num=1177184297 |
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Title: Re: Shop told me my 02 Savage has a Blown Head Gas Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/14/18 at 21:16:47 You're gonna need a place to set the tank that allows your speedometer cable to not be kinked. You don't want your hands full of tank and then figure that out. You can ask how I know.. |
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Title: Re: Shop told me my 02 Savage has a Blown Head Gas Post by IslandRoad on 08/15/18 at 00:53:26 7D6264637E7948784870626E25170 wrote:
A couple of blocks of wood will do the trick .. 8-) |
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Title: Re: Shop told me my 02 Savage has a Blown Head Gas Post by LukeSJ on 08/15/18 at 09:30:17 0B141215080F3E0E3E06141853610 wrote:
how would i tell? |
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Title: Re: Shop told me my 02 Savage has a Blown Head Gas Post by LukeSJ on 08/15/18 at 09:31:01 6C7F6869767B7D7F742B1A0 wrote:
THIS!!! ;D |
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Title: Re: Shop told me my 02 Savage has a Blown Head Gas Post by LANCER on 08/15/18 at 09:54:46 Sounds like you would benefit from some "personal supervision" by a knowledgeable owner of this same bike. The things needing attention are pretty simple actually, but the removing of the head cover for the first time is something that should be seen along with the item by item instructions. There are several members in the greater LA area. Sometimes "Pleading" for help is useful. ;) |
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Title: Re: Shop told me my 02 Savage has a Blown Head Gas Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/15/18 at 09:59:54 0E3729271108420 wrote:
how would i tell?[/quote] Measure the distance between the body and the end of the tube. The mileage is high enough to be dangerous if nobody has done anything to it. If it spits its guts, it's usually the end of the motor. |
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Title: Re: Shop told me my 02 Savage has a Blown Head Gas Post by LukeSJ on 08/15/18 at 10:47:37 7C6365627F7849794971636F24160 wrote:
how would i tell?[/quote] Measure the distance between the body and the end of the tube. The mileage is high enough to be dangerous if nobody has done anything to it. If it spits its guts, it's usually the end of the motor.[/quote] YIKES! dont want that, what tube? and how far from the body would indicate an issue? is there a forum on this? |
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Title: Re: Shop told me my 02 Savage has a Blown Head Gas Post by LukeSJ on 08/15/18 at 10:48:21 2C212E2325327277400 wrote:
Thanks for the tip, i got a buddy who knows engines really well so ill have him take a look at the project with me. |
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Title: Re: Shop told me my 02 Savage has a Blown Head Gas Post by LukeSJ on 08/15/18 at 10:49:18 667562637C7177757E21100 wrote:
Also Verslagen1, you still selling the replacement plugs? I think im a post away from being able to DM you. |
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Title: Re: Shop told me my 02 Savage has a Blown Head Gas Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/15/18 at 10:54:41 0B322C22140D470 wrote:
how would i tell?[/quote] Measure the distance between the body and the end of the tube. The mileage is high enough to be dangerous if nobody has done anything to it. If it spits its guts, it's usually the end of the motor.[/quote] YIKES! dont want that, what tube? and how far from the body would indicate an issue? is there a forum on this? [/quote] Surely someone will pop a link to the right thread for you. You are on the forum that has everything you need. |
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Title: Re: Shop told me my 02 Savage has a Blown Head Gas Post by stewmills on 08/15/18 at 11:31:37 Try this: http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=tech;action=display;num=1191167029 or this: http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=tech;action=display;num=1176999168 |
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Title: Re: Shop told me my 02 Savage has a Blown Head Gas Post by verslagen1 on 08/15/18 at 11:40:46 5F6678764059130 wrote:
yep, link below |
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Title: Re: Shop told me my 02 Savage has a Blown Head Gas Post by LukeSJ on 08/15/18 at 11:56:31 706F696E73744575457D6F63281A0 wrote:
how would i tell?[/quote] Measure the distance between the body and the end of the tube. The mileage is high enough to be dangerous if nobody has done anything to it. If it spits its guts, it's usually the end of the motor.[/quote] YIKES! dont want that, what tube? and how far from the body would indicate an issue? is there a forum on this? [/quote] Surely someone will pop a link to the right thread for you. You are on the forum that has everything you need. [/quote] Great news! just contacted the previous owner and they said cam chain was modded so it wont fail and that the petcock was replaced. TWO less things to worry about! |
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Title: Re: Shop told me my 02 Savage has a Blown Head Gas Post by LukeSJ on 08/15/18 at 12:03:43 243720213E3335373C63520 wrote:
yep, link below[/quote] Thanks! |
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Title: Re: Shop told me my 02 Savage has a Blown Head Gas Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/15/18 at 14:43:11 and they said cam chain was modded so Must be a forum member. And yeah, that is good news. There are a couple of ways to modify the tensioner. One actually has a pin that stops the guts from falling out. The other just makes it take longer, I'd ask them for details. I if it's just a tab welded on, you're good for a while. I'd be asking the smart guys here.. |
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Title: Re: Shop told me my 02 Savage has a Blown Head Gas Post by JAGGUY on 08/15/18 at 18:09:09 It's like 15 minutes to pull the side cover and look. I don't ever trust what a previous owner says... |
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Title: Re: Shop told me my 02 Savage has a Blown Head Gas Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/16/18 at 10:57:10 Really? I thought the exhaust and pegs had to come off.. |
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Title: Re: Shop told me my 02 Savage has a Blown Head Gas Post by JAGGUY on 08/16/18 at 11:51:55 687771766B6C5D6D5D65777B30020 wrote:
They do, but unless they are rusted or seized 15 minutes is all it takes. It's really easy stuff |
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Title: Re: Shop told me my 02 Savage has a Blown Head Gas Post by verslagen1 on 08/16/18 at 12:40:21 2 bolts and the pegs fall to the ground. 2 bolts and a nut and the exhaust is off. a dozen or so bolts, clutch cable and the cover is off. being careful enough to find parts later priceless. ;D 15 minutes might be rushing it, but doable. |
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Title: Re: Shop told me my 02 Savage has a Blown Head Gas Post by Gary_in_NJ on 08/16/18 at 15:26:33 I had my entire bike disassembled in 30 minutes...and everything was labeled and bagged. Comes from years of racing I guess. Got to get it ready between motos. |
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