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Message started by Eegore on 08/01/18 at 11:57:02

Title: Trump tweets order to stop investigation or no?
Post by Eegore on 08/01/18 at 11:57:02

"..This is a terrible situation and Attorney General Jeff Sessions should stop this Rigged Witch Hunt right now, before it continues to stain our country any further. Bob Mueller is totally conflicted, and his 17 Angry Democrats that are doing his dirty work are a disgrace to USA!"

Is this an "order" as some people are saying or not?

I say its not an order at all, just a typical Trump tweet that while it may be official record/statement that doesn't make it an order for anyone to follow.

Title: Re: Trump tweets order to stop investigation or no
Post by MShipley on 08/01/18 at 12:04:04

I for one would support him if he fired Muller.

Title: Re: Trump tweets order to stop investigation or no
Post by Serowbot on 08/01/18 at 14:16:27

tRump tweeted "Witch Hunt" when the Trump University lawsuit started...
He soon settled suit for $25,000,000...

Witch hunters - 1,... tRump - 0

Title: Re: Trump tweets order to stop investigation or no
Post by Eegore on 08/01/18 at 14:44:42

6F714A4B524E475B220 wrote:

I for one would support him if he fired Muller.

Do you have an opinion regarding the definition "order" and if the above mentioned tweet is an order to stop the investigation?

Title: Re: Trump tweets order to stop investigation or no
Post by Eegore on 08/01/18 at 14:44:53

2630273A22373A21550 wrote:

tRump tweeted "Witch Hunt" when the Trump University lawsuit started...
He soon settled suit for $25,000,000...

Witch hunters - 1,... tRump - 0

Do you have an opinion regarding the definition "order" and if the above mentioned tweet is an order to stop the investigation?

Title: Re: Trump tweets order to stop investigation or no
Post by T And T Garage on 08/01/18 at 15:03:03

Some might say it's an order.

Some might say he's "kidding".

Some might say that he "didn't really mean it".

Some might say that he himself didn't write it.

Some might say..... well, you get my point.

The problem with our president is that his Twitter vomiting is becoming white noise. It seems the more he posts, the more irrelevant he is becoming.

However, like anything else, that's just my opinion.

Also, in my opinion, you may have to rephrase the question. "Should we take the president seriously when he posts on Twitter?" But that might be a different topic.

Title: Re: Trump tweets order to stop investigation or no
Post by Eegore on 08/01/18 at 15:08:14

It is a different topic.

Lets say hypothetically that the President didn't tweet that but instead the Vice President did. Would you interpret that as an order from the Vice President to stop the investigation.

For that matter if it were the pizza delivery guy, would as it is phrased, be considered an order to do something. Even if the person has no ability to make it happen, I would not read the tweet as a directive.

Title: Re: Trump tweets order to stop investigation or no
Post by T And T Garage on 08/01/18 at 15:16:18

0424262E3324410 wrote:

It is a different topic.

Lets say hypothetically that the President didn't tweet that but instead the Vice President did. Would you interpret that as an order from the Vice President to stop the investigation.

I personally would. Yes. I equate Twitter as an official public forum. It should (IMHO) carry the same weight as the president going on TV and saying those things.

For that matter if it were the pizza delivery guy, would as it is phrased, be considered an order to do something.

That is a poor example. Two different people. (unless you think a pizza delivery guy has the same power as a president...)

Even if the person has no ability to make it happen, I would not read the tweet as a directive.

But our president does have the ability to make it happen. Therein lies the difference/problem.

Title: Re: Trump tweets order to stop investigation or no
Post by WebsterMark on 08/01/18 at 17:31:41

It means nothing. It's Trump being Trump.

For one thing, maybe he does it to get the snowflakes all frazzled out....

It's fun to watch anyway.

Title: Re: Trump tweets order to stop investigation or no
Post by T And T Garage on 08/01/18 at 17:41:42

794B4C5D5A4B5C634F5C452E0 wrote:

It means nothing. It's Trump being Trump.

For one thing, maybe he does it to get the snowflakes all frazzled out....

It's fun to watch anyway.

So then by your theory, nothing our president tweets should be taken seriously?

It's all in fun?

Title: Re: Trump tweets order to stop investigation or no
Post by raydawg on 08/01/18 at 19:22:12

I gotta side with TT on this one.
His Twitter addiction is a disservice to the protocol of the office.

Yeah, I get it, why, and I see the foolish media and adversaries biting on it, hook, line, and sinker.
Yes, it’s extremely revealing, however by his own actions he is inviting the dogs out....
For him to whine about their barking (fake news) is absolving his own duplicity in the matter.

To answer your question, no.
Nor was his suggestions to Russian’s to find Hillary’s email....
Folks that believe such are just being played as fools, and they obliged.

His tweets suck, period.
Argue with dignity, or look like the fools in front of Maxine Waters office, burning a flag, chanting nonsense, as if that will make one iota of a difference.

Title: Re: Trump tweets order to stop investigation or no
Post by Eegore on 08/01/18 at 19:22:35

"That is a poor example. Two different people. (unless you think a pizza delivery guy has the same power as a president...)"

I don't think a pizza guy has the same power as the President, that is why I chose a pizza guy as an example. I was attempting to convey that if someone was to say, type, write, sing or otherwise communicate the statement from Twitter, I would not consider the sentence structure and context to be that of a directive.

An order by my definition is a directive to be followed without choice or compromise. The words " should stop " to me indicate that someone can do something, but also has the option of not doing the task.

As in you should stop consuming excess calories in your diet, versus you will stop consuming excess calories in your diet.

Personally I'm not looking forward to the day that Twitter is used for executive orders.

Title: Re: Trump tweets order to stop investigation or no
Post by T And T Garage on 08/01/18 at 19:38:21

69494B435E492C0 wrote:

"That is a poor example. Two different people. (unless you think a pizza delivery guy has the same power as a president...)"

I don't think a pizza guy has the same power as the President, that is why I chose a pizza guy as an example. I was attempting to convey that if someone was to say, type, write, sing or otherwise communicate the statement from Twitter, I would not consider the sentence structure and context to be that of a directive.

No, it may not be a "direct order", but then where do you draw the line? When do you take the president serious? And again, to equate the twitter posts of a pizza guy to the president is absurd for a whole bunch of reasons.

An order by my definition is a directive to be followed without choice or compromise. The words " should stop " to me indicate that someone can do something, but also has the option of not doing the task.

Again, then do you put the same credence in his addresses on TV or in interviews? Are those not public forums as well?

As in you should stop consuming excess calories in your diet, versus you will stop consuming excess calories in your diet.

Personally I'm not looking forward to the day that Twitter is used for executive orders.

Do you not remember when he fired Comey? You may want to look at the twitter storm surrounding that.

Title: Re: Trump tweets order to stop investigation or no
Post by WebsterMark on 08/02/18 at 05:15:01

I have no problem determining what's an order and what's a wishful thinking comment expressed by Trump. No one does. Everyone who read that knew exactly what it was and it wasn't a Presidential directive. This is another made up 'constitutional crisis'.

Do I wish Trump would shut up sometimes? Yes, absolutely. I offer no defense, how can I? I do like it when he corrects obviously lies by the press or expresses his opinion on certain topics, but this was better left unsaid.

On the other hand, he's winning at everything he does so who am I to second guess? Everyday there's 10 stories about what he's just done is the end of him, the end of American or the end of the world. Yet, all of that is Chicken Little redux.

Title: Re: Trump tweets order to stop investigation or no
Post by T And T Garage on 08/02/18 at 05:32:03

556760717667704F637069020 wrote:

I have no problem determining what's an order and what's a wishful thinking comment expressed by Trump. No one does. Everyone who read that knew exactly what it was and it wasn't a Presidential directive. This is another made up 'constitutional crisis'.

Do I wish Trump would shut up sometimes? Yes, absolutely. I offer no defense, how can I? I do like it when he corrects obviously lies by the press or expresses his opinion on certain topics, but this was better left unsaid.

On the other hand, he's winning at everything he does so who am I to second guess? ;D ;D ;D ;D

Everyday there's 10 stories about what he's just done is the end of him, the end of American or the end of the world. Yet, all of that is Chicken Little redux.

I have to hand it to you mark - you are unabashed at your hypocrisy!

Title: Re: Trump tweets order to stop investigation or no
Post by WebsterMark on 08/02/18 at 05:39:42

Definition of hypocrite

1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion

2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings

Just exactly what in my previous response is hypocritical?

Title: Re: Trump tweets order to stop investigation or no
Post by T And T Garage on 08/02/18 at 05:47:41

6E5C5B4A4D5C4B74584B52390 wrote:

If you're not a hypocrite, then why would you want to prosecute hillary for what she did and not do the same to our president?

BTW, I'm not defending hillary. It's just a fact that she was shady and so is our president.

If hillary had done a tenth of what our president has done in his personal life, the right wing would be going bat crap crazy. You and I both know that.

Further, if Michelle Obama had posed nude before she was first lady, do you honestly think that the right wingers would have looked the other way, or called it "art"? C'mon...

Title: Re: Trump tweets order to stop investigation or no
Post by MnSpring on 08/02/18 at 07:26:56

352B242528352E33410 wrote:

"... if Michelle Obama had posed nude before she was first lady, do you honestly think that the right wingers would have looked the other way, or called it "art"? C'mon...

Title: Re: Trump tweets order to stop investigation or no
Post by T And T Garage on 08/02/18 at 07:59:35

5D7E436062797E77100 wrote:

[quote author=352B242528352E33410 link=1533149822/15#16 date=1533214061]
"... if Michelle Obama had posed nude before she was first lady, do you honestly think that the right wingers would have looked the other way, or called it "art"? C'mon...

If Michelle Obama, was proven to have posed nude before she was first lady, the left wingers, would have looked the other way, and called her, ‘A Liberated Person’, who is not bound by the constraints of the, lower class, under educated, deplorable’s.
[/quote]

Perhaps I would have said that. Quite honestly, I don't care that Melania has. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy on the right.

Now, that's not to say all on the right would have, but the general consensus of the right most likely would have.

Title: Re: Trump tweets order to stop investigation or no
Post by MnSpring on 08/02/18 at 09:05:09

415F50515C415A47350 wrote:

"...do you honestly think that the right wingers would have looked the other way..." "...BTW, I'm not defending hillary..."
"... If hillary had done a tenth of what our president has done in his personal life, the right wing would be going bat crap crazy..."

"... Now, that's not to say all on the right would have, but the general consensus of the right most likely would have..."

Digging around in the pole barn again,
Found Another, Double Sided Paddle.

Just understanding the physics,
one could, ‘back-paddel’
twice a fast, as a single blade paddle.

Title: Re: Trump tweets order to stop investigation or no
Post by T And T Garage on 08/02/18 at 09:30:23

4C6F527173686F66010 wrote:

[quote author=415F50515C415A47350 link=1533149822/15#18 date=1533221975].

Title: Re: Trump tweets order to stop investigation or no
Post by MnSpring on 08/02/18 at 15:58:34

4F515E5F524F54493B0 wrote:

"... You're still not making any sense ..."
"...I simply can't understand most your posts.."

Ya know what,
Not my fault,
you lack the mental facilities,
to be able to understand.

Title: Re: Trump tweets order to stop investigation or no
Post by T And T Garage on 08/02/18 at 16:15:13

6744795A5843444D2A0 wrote:

[quote author=4F515E5F524F54493B0 link=1533149822/15#20 date=1533227423]"... You're still not making any sense ..."
"...I simply can't understand most your posts.."

Ya know what,
Not my fault,
you lack the mental facilities,
to be able to understand.
[/quote]

That's your opinion and you're entitled to it.

But you're the one who started talking about "digging around in your pole barn" and finding a "double sided paddle".

At no point have I "back paddled" if that is indeed your inference.

If that is not your inference, then, well, it makes no sense in the context of my post.

So there you go...

Title: Re: Trump tweets order to stop investigation or no
Post by MnSpring on 08/02/18 at 16:34:36

3A242B2A273A213C4E0 wrote:

"...So there you go...

Title: Re: Trump tweets order to stop investigation or no
Post by T And T Garage on 08/02/18 at 16:40:28

4665587B7962656C0B0 wrote:

[quote author=3A242B2A273A213C4E0 link=1533149822/15#22 date=1533251713]"...So there you go...

A Incredible Revelation !!!!!!
You say:
"... You're still not making any sense ..."
"...I simply can't understand most your posts.."

Then, ’Suddenly’, you state:
“…that’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it…”

Apparently, you understand my posts, Just Fine !

So when you said:
"... You're still not making any sense ..."
"...I simply can't understand most your posts.."
Were you Lying ?,
Or just making things up ?

No mn, I said most, not all.

I do concede to one point,
I do not speak, ’Troll’.
So perhaps that is why you lack the mental ability to understand some things.

[/quote]

Are you calling me a troll? If so, why?

Point of contention I have to highlight. How can you conjugate the sentence "I do concede to one point," properly, yet continue to use the word "their" inappropriately? That also makes no sense.

Title: Re: Trump tweets order to stop investigation or no
Post by MnSpring on 08/02/18 at 16:58:24

203E31303D203B26540 wrote:

"... Are you calling me a troll? ..."

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Cheese and Rice, I have called you a, ’Troll’, for a LONG time.
My Proof?
Look at your posts.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

“…yet continue to use the word “their” inappropriately?…”

Where, in the post, that you are crying about, does that word appear ?
(Outside of, YOU, stating it ?)

A Helpful note. JOG has purchased a Large Amount of, ‘Burn Creme’.
And I believe he is offering a quantity of it, at a discount.

Title: Re: Trump tweets order to stop investigation or no
Post by T And T Garage on 08/02/18 at 17:11:42

4E6D5073716A6D64030 wrote:

[quote author=203E31303D203B26540 link=1533149822/15#24 date=1533253228]"... Are you calling me a troll? ..."

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Cheese and Rice, I have called you a, ’Troll’, for a LONG time.
My Proof?
Look at your posts.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I see - well, I guess that jog and mark should chastise you for name calling and being childish too, huh? Somehow, I don't think that will happen though.

“…yet continue to use the word “their” inappropriately?…”

Where, in the post, that you are crying about, does that word appear ?
(Outside of, YOU, stating it ?)

Nowhere in this post mn - but in several of your other posts. (I must assume that you're the only "mnspring" - am I mistaken?)

A Helpful note. JOG has purchased a Large Amount of, ‘Burn Creme’.
And I believe he is offering a quantity of it, at a discount.
[/quote]
Not sure how you think I'm, "burned", but think whatever you like.

Title: Re: Trump tweets order to stop investigation or no
Post by T And T Garage on 08/02/18 at 17:15:02

My apologies Eegore - I've helped to derail this thread.

Once again, I get sidetracked by distractions.

I'll try and do better.