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Title: All humans are destructive morons Post by faffi on 07/27/18 at 15:03:46 In Norway, we have a saying that translates into something like "the sum of bad habits is constant". By that we mean that if you get rid of one such habit, you will replace it with a new. Whether that is true or not is up to debate. However, think about all the silly things humans are liable to do - here's a very short list to show some examples, you can add your own bullet points if you like: eating junk over-eating getting out of shape taking addictive pain killers even when getting in shape could fix things drinking/smoking/doing drugs driving too fast spending money on stuff nobody needs taking risks for the fun of it allowing property to decay collecting stuff no longer used not keeping body or home reasonably clean keeping pets without the will or skill to do it right fighting over trivialities stealing and, worst of all, destroying the very planet we live on |
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Title: Re: All humans are destructive morons Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/27/18 at 16:00:50 Are you saying fewer people is best for the future of the planet? |
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Title: Re: All humans are destructive morons Post by raydawg on 07/27/18 at 16:29:28 I sorta like those Hollywooders who build their huge footprint homes right on the water. It’s a great safety factor. Folks no longer can look at the distracting ocean, driving on PCH anymore [ch129300] |
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Title: Re: All humans are destructive morons Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/27/18 at 18:17:22 I am looking forward to seeing where this goes |
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Title: Re: All humans are destructive morons Post by Gary_in_NJ on 07/27/18 at 18:18:25 People who like to tell others how to live are destructive morons. |
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Title: Re: All humans are destructive morons Post by Dave on 07/27/18 at 18:22:06 Some people even buy motorcycles with more than 1 cylinder! ::) |
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Title: Re: All humans are destructive morons Post by raydawg on 07/27/18 at 18:40:03 0A313C2B3A362D2B3038352A590 wrote:
Plus 1 |
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Title: Re: All humans are destructive morons Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/27/18 at 19:16:53 27383E3924231222122A38347F4D0 wrote:
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Title: Re: All humans are destructive morons Post by Eegore on 07/27/18 at 20:32:03 Complacency. Especially to problems we have every ability to solve but won't. |
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Title: Re: All humans are destructive morons Post by zipidachimp on 07/27/18 at 20:55:11 freedom is the right to do stupid things, knowing they are stupid! 8-) |
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Title: Re: All humans are destructive morons Post by raydawg on 07/27/18 at 21:15:06 He who speaks as a authority, using the absolute ALL, makes me wonder who gave them such power? :-/ Maybe that is a clue as to why folks are morons? ;D |
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Title: Re: All humans are destructive morons Post by eau de sauvage on 07/28/18 at 01:01:27 2D272329222B2F26787E7A4A0 wrote:
Well said! |
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Title: Re: All humans are destructive morons Post by jcstokes on 07/28/18 at 01:18:04 I know people who drink ice cold beer in the winter time. |
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Title: Re: All humans are destructive morons Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/28/18 at 02:12:57 4A555354494E7F4F7F47555912200 wrote:
C'mon, it's a yes or no.. |
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Title: Re: All humans are destructive morons Post by jcstokes on 07/28/18 at 03:48:51 Serwobot, Dave, please take this to the Tall Table, so I don't have to read it. |
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Title: Re: All humans are destructive morons Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/28/18 at 09:22:09 Yeah, otta be a TT thread. But you Can choose to Not open it. |
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Title: Re: All humans are destructive morons Post by Ruttly on 07/28/18 at 10:21:20 DEVO Devolution of mankind Instead of getting smarter , some choose getting dumber ! Gene pool is polluted, everyone pissed in the pool ! |
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Title: Re: All humans are destructive morons Post by faffi on 07/28/18 at 10:50:03 3C2325223F3809390931232F64560 wrote:
Most definitely! |
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Title: Re: All humans are destructive morons Post by raydawg on 07/28/18 at 11:06:36 292E2929264F0 wrote:
Most definitely![/quote] You gonna Lead the way? |
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Title: Re: All humans are destructive morons Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/28/18 at 11:09:17 Maybe if there was a rule that said everyone who believes that needs to lead the way. |
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Title: Re: All humans are destructive morons Post by faffi on 07/28/18 at 11:35:51 5A7A78706D7A1F0 wrote:
Other than the question from JoG2, the only reply worth its "ink". I didn't want to imply that I am any different, but that doesn't make mine/our actions better. I've had several near-fatal accidents that have cost society quite large sums to rectify. I ride 5000 miles every season for pleasure alone, ignoring that the rubber worn off my tires turn into micro-plastic that has a devastating effect on animal life, which again will end up in our bodies. Etc. etc. Turning the deaf ear and blind eye towards the problems we as a race cause does not help, though. You may think it is your right to eat until you weight 500 lb and are totally out of shape, but some poor nurses will have to fight with your carcass when you get ill. Which you are quite likely to become. Or if you drive after a couple of beers, you are far more likely to cause an accident than if you were totally sober. And so on. In other words, our selfish actions more often than not have a negative impact on others around us. So what can be done? Well, the simplest way is probably to make doing the right things beneficial and the wrong things unattractive. Like taxing junk food to the moon and have no taxes on healthy food. Like giving big insurance discounts for putting speed limiters and alcohol-locks in cars, and raising the insurance for those who will not. Like having big taxes on environmentally unfriendly wrapping. Like giving tax reduction for those able to document at least 30 minutes of fairly high intensity physical activity on average per day. Stick and carrot. |
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Title: Re: All humans are destructive morons Post by faffi on 07/28/18 at 11:42:27 3C2325223F3809390931232F64560 wrote:
There is a difference between wasting people already here and reduce reproduction to a level that will cut back the global population over time to about half of what it is today. There are too many people on the planet now, causing problems finding enough food in the future (because the population is still growing rapidly), but worse is the pollution problem as well as lack of natural resources. If everybody should consume like they do in Kuwait, we would need 5 Earths to sustain it. Anybody have 4 laying around as spares? https://gizmodo.com/whats-the-ideal-number-of-humans-on-earth-1821527028 |
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Title: Re: All humans are destructive morons Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/28/18 at 13:46:15 The idea of bottled water when I was a kid was a joke. I hope I'm dead before it's the only way safe water. I'm not at all comfortable with the shale oil, horizontal wells and the huge fracking jobs. Fracking a standard well doesn't require but a fraction of the fluids and doesn't expose thousands of square feet of strata to the pressures designed to fracture rock in order for fluids to flow,, and some of what they pump is very aggressive and toxic,, that separate the water from everything else. |
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Title: Re: All humans are destructive morons Post by IslandRoad on 07/28/18 at 14:48:50 7C7B7C7C731A0 wrote:
Other than the question from JoG2, the only reply worth its "ink". I didn't want to imply that I am any different, but that doesn't make mine/our actions better. I've had several near-fatal accidents that have cost society quite large sums to rectify. I ride 5000 miles every season for pleasure alone, ignoring that the rubber worn off my tires turn into micro-plastic that has a devastating effect on animal life, which again will end up in our bodies. Etc. etc. Turning the deaf ear and blind eye towards the problems we as a race cause does not help, though. You may think it is your right to eat until you weight 500 lb and are totally out of shape, but some poor nurses will have to fight with your carcass when you get ill. Which you are quite likely to become. Or if you drive after a couple of beers, you are far more likely to cause an accident than if you were totally sober. And so on. In other words, our selfish actions more often than not have a negative impact on others around us. So what can be done? Well, the simplest way is probably to make doing the right things beneficial and the wrong things unattractive. Like taxing junk food to the moon and have no taxes on healthy food. Like giving big insurance discounts for putting speed limiters and alcohol-locks in cars, and raising the insurance for those who will not. Like having big taxes on environmentally unfriendly wrapping. Like giving tax reduction for those able to document at least 30 minutes of fairly high intensity physical activity on average per day. Stick and carrot.[/quote] If the proverb you quoted was true then raising taxes won't fix anything. The government here in Australia tried taxing pre-mixed alcohol in bottles (spirits and flavored fizzy water) in an attempt to reduce teenage consumption of alcohol. The effect was the kids started buying straight spirits and mixing it themselves ... you can imagine how that turned out. Raising taxes just makes it difficult for poor people to indulge in 'bad' habits ... and nothing changes for rich people. |
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Title: Re: All humans are destructive morons Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/28/18 at 14:56:42 Nanny state social engineering pisses me off. |
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Title: Re: All humans are destructive morons Post by IslandRoad on 07/28/18 at 15:02:28 I believe education is the best approach to social change. Think about a problem like teenage pregnancy. Areas with a policy of promoting abstinence have high rates of pregnancy whereas as areas with sex education policies have lower rates. Imagine taxing condoms beyond affordability in an attempt to reduce pregnancy. You would just get a jump in unwanted pregnancy in poverty stricken areas. |
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Title: Re: All humans are destructive morons Post by faffi on 07/28/18 at 15:15:44 I agree that education is vital, but there is more to it than that. Everybody knows smoking is bad and alcohol is bad and not using the body is bad, yet it is very common to smoke, drink and sit still. In Norway, everybody - for good and bad - have the same education for the first 10 years of school. And if you have the grades, you can go to any university for free (more or less). Yet we see that people from families with higher education eat better and keep fitter than people from blue collar families. They also live substantially longer. So there is likely some differences in the brains as well as with the environment that cause these changes in behaviour. BTW, in Norway alcohol carry heavy taxes (a pint of ordinary beer cost around USD 12 in a restaurant or bar) and this does help reduce overall alcohol consumption. The lower the price and the easier the access, the higher the consumption (anything stronger than normal beer must be bought in special stores). Tobacco is also heavily taxed, which also helps reduce the number of smokers. In addition, the high taxes on alcohol and tobacco pays for some of the extra cost these groups are to the society. As to food - if a hamburger suddenly cost 3 times more and salmon got a 20% price cut, don't you think many would toss the burger and try fish instead? If chocolate got twice as expensive, is it likely that consumption would drop? And if fruit at the same time got cheaper, wouldn't many eat apples and oranges instead? The savings on the health budget would be massive. |
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Title: Re: All humans are destructive morons Post by IslandRoad on 07/28/18 at 15:25:34 555255555A330 wrote:
You're actually proving my points. There is not something different in the brains of educated people. They get higher paying jobs and can afford gym fees. I refer you again to the proverb you quoted. If you tax one bad habit another one will emerge. Forcing behavior is got the answer. Another example: local authorities shut down a local drug ring who sell 'speed'. In two weeks the same area has a 'crack' problem. |
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Title: Re: All humans are destructive morons Post by HAPPYDAN on 07/28/18 at 15:54:32 Add: Pay some junkie huge amounts of money to draw ugly, pointless, permanent pictures all over their bodies. Oh, wait - this is a motorcycle forum! I take it back! Sorry! :D |
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Title: Re: All humans are destructive morons Post by IslandRoad on 07/28/18 at 17:45:03 BTW, if this thread does get moved to the Tall Table, I'll be bowing out ... I went in there once!!! ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: All humans are destructive morons Post by raydawg on 07/28/18 at 20:31:58 013B2429262C1A27292C480 wrote:
Yeah, I agree, this stuff is starting to suck the air out of the room. I can’t drink booze because I’m a rummy...... I wouldn’t go into a bar and expect everyone to not drink, however, this kind of topic already has a existing place, and accommodations on this site, don’t extend the ugliness from it, into the others rooms. Whatever happened to being considerate of others? |
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Title: Re: All humans are destructive morons Post by jcstokes on 07/28/18 at 20:35:50 I'm 68 and don't have children, so I've made my contribution to population control. |
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Title: Re: All humans are destructive morons Post by Gary_in_NJ on 07/29/18 at 06:54:42 The problem here Mr. Faffi, is that you live in a country where the people think that the government, or the collective, can create laws and rules to control people. Humans inherently reject control. We have been blessed with free will and innately reject oppressive regulation. We see this type of control manifest in unintended consequences of laws. Living with great freedom comes with great responsibility. Teaching and educating free people how to best act (in the USA it's called "civics") and allowing each to contribute in that manner best suited for them results in a well functioning and happy society. In a free society, your freedom ends when it impacts the freedom of others to live their lives. That's the beauty of living in a republic. In a democracy the people can vote away the rights of the people, creating tyranny. In a republic, proposed laws must be ratified through several channels before becoming law. And even then the law can be subject to constitutional review by the courts. Now, getting back to your original post. I fully agree that it is important to preserve and conserve resources so we make a minimal impact on nature and society. But simply passing laws does not necessarily accomplish the desired end goal. It is far better to enducate the populous so they are stake holders in the outcome, rather then threaten them with a financial consequence or a further loss of freedom. In short, laws are a lazy and unproductive method to accomplish change. True change comes from people exercising their freedom to drive towards a desired goal. Your original post says nothing about laws or rules, but when I see posts like yours from people from socialist countries/governments, I know what follows; rules, regulations, taxes and punishment. No thanks. |
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Title: Re: All humans are destructive morons Post by LANCER on 07/29/18 at 07:53:31 I agree, change cannot be successfully regulated. Without the threat of physical harm or death, you cannot force change. Even then people will rebel. Real change can only come from the heart. There is only one who can change a heart fully. |
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Title: Re: All humans are destructive morons Post by faffi on 07/29/18 at 10:56:40 645E414C43497F424C492D0 wrote:
First, those who goes to work early in life are typically better off financially until they and a university educated person reach the age of 50 or so. Why? Because the highly educated will spend about 7-10 years longer at school, and although the education is free, living isn't. So the student will build up a substantial loan to finance that decade, and these money must be made back with interest. As an example, the average monthly pay for a psychologischst is NOK 49.500, while a blasting worker makes NOK 52.000. So here, not only have one gone far longer to school, the person also makes less money. Yet the same thing holds true; those with lower education live shorter and have poorer health. I must also add that you do NOT need to go to a gym or buy any equipment to stay fit, although it does make sense to have a cheap outfit to wear as to not ruining your everyday clothes. 645E414C43497F424C492D0 wrote:
Although that's how the saying goes, I'm not sure it is correct. Even if it is, at least there is a chance the new bad habit has a smaller overall negative impact on you and society. Like quitting drugs and indulging heavily on religion, or quit beating people and bashing drums instead :P 645E414C43497F424C492D0 wrote:
That may be, but only because they allow an environment where drug dealing is easy enough to consider as a business. But, yes, there is a real issue to consider here in that in order to keep us safe for everything considered bad, we must give up freedom in return. And give more control to those in power. Where to draw the line? I don't know. It will differ from one individual to the next. |
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Title: Re: All humans are destructive morons Post by Dave on 07/29/18 at 15:22:18 In the past few weeks.....the content of the Cafe' has been slipping toward a friendlier version of the "Tall Table". I am not sure why that is happening - maybe some old members are getting tired of the attitude in the Tall Table.....maybe some new members not reading the guideline for the Cafe' section. The Cafe' is supposed to be related to motorcycles - some other stuff is OK and we have often discussed trucks, cars, family, vacations, etc. - or posted cool videos or jokes we want to share. Please "re-read" the guidelines for the Cafe'....and avoid controversial topics that are only going to create a skirmish. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1202912523 GUIDELINES FOR THE CAFE": * Must be work appropriate. Please be kind to your fellow members and don't post stuff that would get someone in trouble if they had it open at work. * Keep the MAJORITY of stuff in here motorcycle related but some other stuff is OK. * However, highly divisive topics (including, but not limited to politics and religion) are to be avoided. We have a separate section for that sort of stuff now, so please put it there instead. * Any Religion or Politics in a reply to an otherwise good thread inside the Cafe will simply be deleted. * Threads, posts, and/or singular statements judged objectionable/offensive and/or inflammatory maybe modified/deleted w/out notice or justification. * Posting PMs or other confidential communications is a serious offence. Rest assured, moderators cannot read your PMs, the only one who can is the List Owner and he doesn't ever share anything like that, not even with us. *Personal attacks of any kind will not be tolerated. |
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