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Title: Treason to reason Post by NHLycan on 07/16/18 at 13:49:59 I'm told that one of the flaws with Turing tests is our tendency to ascribe humanity to objects; anthropomorphisms. We project our minds onto nothing. Shapes in the clouds have meaning for some as well. Astrology. How many stories have we read where the protagonist is any one of several species of small furry animals? Seems legit at the time. Think Bambi. Consciousness, it's everywhere! And then I talk to people and the hatred they feel for their fellow man just scares me. Caging children. Describing immigrants as an infestation. Forcing raped 13 year olds to get married to and have the children of their rapists. Turning blind eyes towards the continuous abuse of POC. Forcing the ill into bankruptcy. Incarcerating substance abuse sufferers. And then finally blaming others for making them do it. I am starting to think these people would fail a Turing Test. The misanthropy is too pronounced to be real. It's like something from a Bond villain. It's probably useless to dwell too deeply on the internal experience of others but dear God, there is something broken in there. And then there's treason. We are under attack from a foreign country. They want us hobbled or destroyed. They can't match us in conventional war. They can't match us in economic war. So they choose subversion and disorder, the battleground of their expertise. This shouldn't be effective. A sensible people would see the attack for what it is and respond in a way that makes it clear to our enemies that the cost, chosen by us to inflict maximum pain, isn't worth it. The message should be clear; you won't declare war on us and prosper. But now? No. A sizable minority of our population has thrown their lot in with our enemies. The reasons for this are usually ascribed to the lowest form of tribalism. One political tribe has decided that cleaving to our enemies is better than admitting a mistake. That normally wouldn't be enough. Calmer heads would prevail. Patriotism is inculcated in us from childhood. Tribalism has it's limits. But then you add in the misanthropy. Their hatred for their fellow man blinds them to their disloyalty. They simply cannot see what they are doing. It's almost involuntary. News which calls into question their perspective gets flushed down the memory hole. The very existence of such news is hidden away. They shelter their minds in bubbles of self reinforcing noise. Is the hate so very comfortable? I don't know. It's probably more like heroin. After a while, you don't enjoy it, you just need it. The 'why' doesn't matter. It's the treason that matters. Our spies, cops and soldiers tell us we are under attack. An attack on our system of governance. And that part of the attack was focused on installing our current chief executive. And that chief executive is terminally compromised. Instead of taking action proportionate and appropriate, we argue amongst ourselves. While our enemies laugh at us. This is how empires fall; rotting from within. |
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Title: Re: Treason to reason Post by Eegore on 07/16/18 at 14:23:08 I agree with part of this. For instance I don't know why so many people won't accept digital activity as actual attack. Why does a country have to physically harm us by means of kinetic assault to count as an attack on our country? |
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Title: Re: Treason to reason Post by Serowbot on 07/16/18 at 14:32:38 Well said, Lycan... 8-) |
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Title: Re: Treason to reason Post by raydawg on 07/16/18 at 14:33:50 Yeah...... https://spectator.org/obamas-meddling-in-foreign-elections-six-examples/ |
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Title: Re: Treason to reason Post by eau de sauvage on 07/16/18 at 14:36:50 @NHLycan Thank you for taking the time to post an accurate and heartfelt overview of the current political climate in America. Indeed after today's disgraceful abasement of the Presidency and consequently the entire United States at Helsinki we must indeed wonder at what is going on. I suppose that we will just have to see this current presidency as if we are looking back in history, for surely there will be worse to come before the truth at what Russia must have over Trump comes out, or maybe it really is all about money for Trump, maybe he really couldn't give a f.uck about America or the damage he's doing as long as he can use the office of the President for personal gain. We'll find out eventually. |
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Title: Re: Treason to reason Post by MnSpring on 07/16/18 at 15:08:33 392A322F2A3C2C4B0 wrote:
Ya gotta be kidding, the, Trump Haters at all costs, will, never, Never, NEVER, read the Truth ! And if they do, they will shut their mouth, and continue on, Hating Trump, at All, (made up) Costs ! "... the violation of both American and international law did not stop Obama from intervening repeatedly in the elections of other nations. Moreover, most of Obama’s meddling was known by many foreign correspondents and if it was reported at all, it was downplayed. Most certainly, the media did not condemn it nor drop hints about impeaching Obama...." |
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Title: Re: Treason to reason Post by raydawg on 07/16/18 at 15:12:25 51435754434547220 wrote:
ripe...... |
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Title: Re: Treason to reason Post by raydawg on 07/16/18 at 15:23:36 6C4F725153484F46210 wrote:
Ya gotta be kidding, the, Trump Haters at all costs, will, never, Never, NEVER, read the Truth ! And if they do, they will shut their mouth, and continue on, Hating Trump, at All, (made up) Costs ! "... the violation of both American and international law did not stop Obama from intervening repeatedly in the elections of other nations. Moreover, most of Obama’s meddling was known by many foreign correspondents and if it was reported at all, it was downplayed. Most certainly, the media did not condemn it nor drop hints about impeaching Obama...." [/quote] Gee, all of a sudden its considered intolerant, to not view opposing briefs..... What ever happened to the political correctness? When its others deciding whats correct....HAHAHA ;D You guys made your bed, be man enuff to lay in it and not whimper. |
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Title: Re: Treason to reason Post by WebsterMark on 07/16/18 at 15:55:47 And then I talk to people and the hatred they feel for their fellow man just scares me I don't hate my fellow man and I resent you saying I do just because I have a different political ideology than you. I'm sure when the last President was killing with drones, you wouldn't have accepted the charge that you hated your fellow man. What's your solution to illegal immigration? |
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Title: Re: Treason to reason Post by raydawg on 07/16/18 at 16:14:50 003235242332251A36253C570 wrote:
Hate..... like in Berkeley? Hate, like in tossing a drink in a kids face? Come back when you want to engage, your silly one way indignation is lame. |
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Title: Re: Treason to reason Post by WebsterMark on 07/16/18 at 16:30:16 NHLycan could just as easily be any number of those hyper partisans with selective memory who convinced themselves they're special. I'm sure Nhl locks his doors at night, probably has a fence around his yard, if he's got kids he's selective with who they play with, avoids dangerous neighborhoods etc... But when the nation tries to take the same logical steps to protect itself and citizens, it's a sign of evil. You're talking out of both sides of your mouth. Pick one and live it. |
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Title: Re: Treason to reason Post by raydawg on 07/16/18 at 16:42:58 566463727564734C60736A010 wrote:
Clinton is evil. They destroyed lives. They colluded against Bernie's FREE ELECTION. That was their Queen. And they have the gall......LOL! |
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Title: Re: Treason to reason Post by Eegore on 07/16/18 at 16:54:51 I don't think anyone has said Obama didn't make bad choices. Where is this coming from? |
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Title: Re: Treason to reason Post by raydawg on 07/16/18 at 17:46:16 They let obama slide...... He made all sorts of deals, meddle in elections, chastised opposition, took credit for anything good, his favorite word was “I”. The left/liberals created this mess, they own, Hillary called folks deplorable, WTF is that, eh? Own it, move on, learn. You want to divide folks, then don’t be surprised when it happens.... |
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Title: Re: Treason to reason Post by LostArtist on 07/17/18 at 09:39:40 123230382532570 wrote:
it's from the Soviet playbook. it's called whataboutism. there's really no comparison, Do you want to be a Russian property? yes, we do it too, so what, don't you want more nations on our side? On the side of AMERICA? don't you want to spread American ideals? or are you fine with them self-determining themselves into the next Saudi Arabia or Chad or etc ..... |
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Title: Re: Treason to reason Post by LostArtist on 07/17/18 at 09:49:00 76657D60657363040 wrote:
----- it takes 2 to divide. oh, and We'd let Trump slide too (we let Bush slide more or less), we aren't letting PUTIN slide, see the difference? and if Trump was his ally in this (which hasn't been proven at all yet) then we won't let Trump slide then either. oh, and Trump and his supporters called liberals all kinds of evil things too, WTF is that, eh? "He made all sorts of deals, meddle in elections, chastised opposition, took credit for anything good, his favorite word was “I”." how is ANY of the different than TRUMP?????? Trump calls anything negative about him FAKE, wont' even acknowledge criticism. Trump calls anyone criticizing him the "ENEMY of the people" . and the MEDIA, conservative media, made it possible for Trump, they lied, and repeated it over and over and over again so much so that the even liberal media had to address it sometimes. sure the liberal media might have done that a bit too, but Fox PERFECTED IT, and they got TOP RATINGS for it. |
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Title: Re: Treason to reason Post by raydawg on 07/17/18 at 10:28:22 YES.... it takes 2 to divide. Again, one side was silenced from expression by PC doctrine. It has boiled up, and over, and now any honest person can admit censorship under any guise will have consequences. The hypocrisy of the media is, under their own freedom umbrella, is a joke. It has become a extension of either party, period. FOX was the result of the liberal media dishonesty. Trump is the result of BIG politics, and the biggest victim in 2016 was Bernie Sanders. CNN interfered with the RNC politics, by promoting Trump, believing Hillary could smack him good. Folks saw the rube, and they created Trump, to combat the press. The system is very broken, however, I do not believe beyond repair. A fix will come with honest people who can leave the partisan mentality behind..... This nation is, and will always be, under work, in the sense that no other form of governance has ever existed like it...... This resistance movement, and all the divisive talk, needs to be dialed back, and YES, start with TRUMP'S mouth!!!!!! Elections have consequences, indeed, now learn from this all or nothing mentality...... Show tolerance, don't demand it...... Its not any harder than that, do unto others, as you would have them do unto you. |
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