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Title: Its only Red Hen folk? Post by raydawg on 06/27/18 at 12:46:33 Me thinks lots of folk only wanna see what they want to see/believe... The New York Times published a shocking first-hand account of the horrific conditions a mother and her young son faced after immigrating to the United States from El Salvador. Unfortunately for the mainstream media that continues to portray President Trump as the face of immigration crisis – the asylum seeker’s tragic account happened in 2014. The author of the Op-Ed wrote on the condition of anonymity because of “gang-related threats” her family has faced. She explained that she wanted to flee the violence of her native El Salvador, so she came to the United States, seeking a new life, during President Barack Obama’s second term in the White House. “Instead, I found myself locked in a family immigration detention center. It’s an experience that I wouldn’t wish on anyone,” she wrote. The mainstream media has painted Trump as the face of the immigration crisis, but the Times piece illustrates that it is an ongoing issue that has been a series problem since the current president was simply a real estate mogul. However, the woman who sought asylum in 2014 never mentioned Obama in her chilling account. Trump was mentioned by the second paragraph, when the mother noted that she doesn’t believe family detention is the answer to the outcry regarding children separated from their parents. Separating fact from fiction about the border policies.Video How similar is Trump's immigration agenda to Obama's? The anonymous woman found “no relief” in the United States, where she was held for two months in a for-profit immigration detention center in New Mexico back in 2014. “The day-to-day conditions were horrible. The food was often expired, the milk was spoiled, and we weren’t provided with snacks for our children between meals,” she wrote. She explained that sometimes food was thrown out because of concerns regarding rats in her dorm and said children often went to bed hungry, while clean water also was hard to come by. “It was no place for human beings, let alone for families with small children,” she wrote. The woman said children in the Obama-era detention center didn’t receive proper medical attention, which she says resulted in at least one death, and staffers talked down to the detainees. “When one mother whose daughter had asthma informed the officers that her child needed medical care, she was told that she should have thought about that before she came to the United States,” she wrote. "Witnessing this type of treatment was heartbreaking." It wasn’t only children who were treated inhumanely, according to the woman. “Once, officers physically forced an indigenous woman to take a shower while she was menstruating, violating both her privacy and her cultural beliefs,” she wrote. The woman wrote that “witnessing this type of treatment was heartbreaking,” adding that it has stayed with her in the years since. It’s unclear if conditions have improved, or gotten worse, since the anonymous woman spent two months at the detention center in 2014. Last week, after national outcry regarding family separations as a result of Trump’s "zero tolerance" policy for illegal immigration, he signed an executive order to allow children to stay with parents caught crossing the border illegally. “That’s not a solution, that’s a jail sentence,” the woman wrote, based on her Obama-era experience. While the woman’s horrifying tale would be tragic under any administration, it begs the question of why immigration was covered so much differently during the previous administration. I know the answer..... Here it is: someone is playing with an issue to keep it alive for political purposes |
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Title: Re: Its only Red Hen folk? Post by LostArtist on 06/27/18 at 13:11:16 what's with all the whataboutism? seriously? that's all you've got? somehow trying to make me and others feel guilty because the media didn't tell us something? I don't think anyone holds Obama up as perfect, the government in itself is highly flawed. how is Obama did it too!!! see!!! SEE!!!! an excuse though? seriously? I GET IT, OBAMA AND HIS GOVERNMENT WEREN'T PERFECT AND DID SOME BAD THINGS TOO . you know, LIKE EVERY FREAKING GOVERNMENT EVER so you just want to excuse Trump when he does something, even if it the SAME thing Obama did that was wrong?? I didn't GIVE Obama a pass on that, if I had known about it then, and the things I did know the Obama did wrong I didn't give Obama a pass on. seriously WTF do you want? |
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Title: Re: Its only Red Hen folk? Post by oldNslow on 06/27/18 at 13:24:40 Quote:
Don't fret Ray. Justice Kennedy just announced he's going to retire from the Supreme Court effective the end of July. Everyf*ckinbody's gonna forget all about illegal immigrant kids and start loosing their minds over whomever Trump might appoint to the court. Starting in ONE, TWO, THREE... |
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Title: Re: Its only Red Hen folk? Post by raydawg on 06/27/18 at 13:49:11 795A46417447415C4641350 wrote:
Mercy, that wasn’t politically correct speak... Or, Maybe it was. More than one side to a coin, even if you lube it. |
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Title: Re: Its only Red Hen folk? Post by LostArtist on 06/27/18 at 13:53:55 60736B76736575120 wrote:
Mercy, that wasn’t politically correct speak... Or, Maybe it was. More than one side to a coin, even if you lube it.[/quote] well. what do you want?? I condemn Obama for the bad things that happened under his administration, the child separations, the droning overseas, Libya, not dealing with DACA right, not leading with Congress to achieve ANYTHING during his last 6 years in office, and I'm sure quite a few more things .... I condemn Trump for the wrong things he's doing as well, I WILL NOT EXCUSE HIM JUST BECAUSE WELL, HILLARY OR OBAMA OR FDR or whoever did it too. |
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Title: Re: Its only Red Hen folk? Post by LostArtist on 06/27/18 at 13:56:29 112F2E22302C2D430 wrote:
start a new thread for that, f u cking thread hijacker |
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Title: Re: Its only Red Hen folk? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/27/18 at 14:45:07 how is Obama did it too!!! see!!! SEE!!!! an excuse though? seriously? It's not an excuse. It's a point. How much did the media make of it when it was Obama? But they hate Trump. So, full coverage Ignore the IG report Ignore Strock and Page Ignore Lynch and her promise to limit the investigation into Hillary. You buncha perpetually outraged haters are getting old. But keep it up. Trump needs every sane person sick of all of you. |
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Title: Re: Its only Red Hen folk? Post by Eegore on 06/27/18 at 14:49:26 I saw a lot of negative publicity about Obama. Maybe its just where I was at the time but man I heard complains pretty much every day. Muslim this, unconstitutional that, etc. etc. For that matter it was the same with Bush. War monger, lied about WMDs, faked the 9/11 towers etc. etc. I don't think any president is in the free and clear, I think its what we spend our time looking at. Watch PBS and look at porn for a month and then tell me what you think of politics in America. |
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Title: Re: Its only Red Hen folk? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/27/18 at 14:52:39 Brilliant Equate the spitting and fuming at Trump's people and Trump with what they have done to others. It's not even in the same universe. |
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Title: Re: Its only Red Hen folk? Post by Eegore on 06/27/18 at 15:01:58 People are either conducting themselves like they want to be treated, or they aren't. When victimized we always feel like more of a victim than the other person who went through the same thing, its just how we are. |
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Title: Re: Its only Red Hen folk? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/27/18 at 15:14:47 I'm not a victim I'm an observer |
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Title: Re: Its only Red Hen folk? Post by LostArtist on 06/27/18 at 15:21:36 283731362B2C1D2D1D25373B70420 wrote:
------ Right the media didn't make a huge deal because probably Obama's administration answered something like "it's a tragedy and we try to avoid it as much as possible but sometimes it's necessary." or something like that where they were aware of it being a tragedy and not a feature of deterrence there WAS full coverage of the IG report on CNN, sorry they didn't go on and on and on about it like they are about the child separations, but they did fully cover it and it wasn't all praise for the FBI or Obama, they totally covered it though, both cons and pros of it. Ignore Strock and Page Ignore Lynch and her promise to limit the investigation into Hillary. fair enough, but where do those stories really go? You buncha perpetually outraged haters are getting old. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS SAYING ABOUT YOU YOU YOU DURING OBAMA'S ADMINISTRATION |
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Title: Re: Its only Red Hen folk? Post by oldNslow on 06/27/18 at 15:22:47 05263A3D083B3D203A3D490 wrote:
start a new thread for that, f u cking thread hijacker[/quote] Actually Lost, my comment was entirely appropriate for this thread, and was a reference to the never ending fake outrage coming from the left and the media. Sorry you were not quick enough to pick up on that. Quote:
Weren't you one of the folks whining about the lack of civility and the name calling on this board just a while ago? |
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Title: Re: Its only Red Hen folk? Post by LostArtist on 06/27/18 at 15:23:32 796660677A7D4C7C4C74666A21130 wrote:
NO, IT IS, IT'S IN THE EXACT SAME UNIVERSE, CNN LEARNED IT BY WATCHING FOX NEWS GET BETTER RATINGS DAY IN AND DAY OUT DURING OBAMA YEARS. S and Fox learned it from CNN during Bush and amped it up, and CNN learned it from the mainstream media and republicans during CLINTON |
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Title: Re: Its only Red Hen folk? Post by LostArtist on 06/27/18 at 15:24:04 457B7A76647879170 wrote:
start a new thread for that, f u cking thread hijacker[/quote] Actually Lost, my comment was entirely appropriate for this thread, and was a reference to the never ending fake outrage coming from the left and the media. Sorry you were not quick enough to pick up on that. Quote:
Weren't you one of the folks whining about the lack of civility and the name calling on this board just a while ago? [/quote] I don't think thread hijacking is very civil do you? |
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Title: Re: Its only Red Hen folk? Post by LostArtist on 06/27/18 at 15:24:56 554A4C4B5651605060584A460D3F0 wrote:
then quit playing victim, you cry more than anyone else about "why can't they see..... wahh wha waaaa |
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Title: Re: Its only Red Hen folk? Post by oldNslow on 06/27/18 at 15:38:32 60435F586D5E58455F582C0 wrote:
start a new thread for that, f u cking thread hijacker[/quote] Actually Lost, my comment was entirely appropriate for this thread, and was a reference to the never ending fake outrage coming from the left and the media. Sorry you were not quick enough to pick up on that. Quote:
Weren't you one of the folks whining about the lack of civility and the name calling on this board just a while ago? [/quote] I don't think thread hijacking is very civil do you? [/quote] 1. I didn't hijack the thread. My comment was appropriate for the subject. 2. I didn't call you a f u c king anything. |
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Title: Re: Its only Red Hen folk? Post by LostArtist on 06/27/18 at 16:29:26 4E70717D6F73721C0 wrote:
start a new thread for that, f u cking thread hijacker[/quote] Actually Lost, my comment was entirely appropriate for this thread, and was a reference to the never ending fake outrage coming from the left and the media. Sorry you were not quick enough to pick up on that. Quote:
Weren't you one of the folks whining about the lack of civility and the name calling on this board just a while ago? [/quote] I don't think thread hijacking is very civil do you? [/quote] 1. I didn't hijack the thread. My comment was appropriate for the subject. 2. I didn't call you a f u c king anything. [/quote] you literally called for the subject to change WITH A COUNTDOWN.... at least calling you something got your freaking attention, sick of your holier than though smugness, next time I'll call out "EARMUFFS" or I guess "EYEMUFFS" . so you don't get your inner child hurt. |
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Title: Re: Its only Red Hen folk? Post by raydawg on 06/27/18 at 16:45:25 at least calling you something got your freaking attention, sick of your holier than though smugness, next time I'll call out "EARMUFFS" or I guess "EYEMUFFS" . so you don't get your inner child hurt. Did Bot lend you some lube? |
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Title: Re: Its only Red Hen folk? Post by LostArtist on 06/27/18 at 16:45:57 actually, you know what, I overstepped the "profanity" bounds, I'm sorry if offended you oldNslow, but everyone has their own comfort level with profanity, mine's fairly high, so yeah, I have to really really think about it to make me care, the only reason I care about the spaces in the spelling because I hate how goofy this site's auto censorship function makes it, and I honestly don't see anything wrong with the actual words, but as I said before, everyone has there own sensitivity level, I'll try to remember that, but clearly, that's not a strong suit of mine, funny, you are forcing me to be PC for you... I'll try to do better, but you totally are a thread hijacker, a lot of people on here are, there are TONS of whataboutism, HECK, even this thread's topic is a whataboutism... anyway, again, I'll try, if I remember.... |
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Title: Re: Its only Red Hen folk? Post by LostArtist on 06/27/18 at 16:47:58 45564E53564050370 wrote:
What do you want? seriously?? |
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Title: Re: Its only Red Hen folk? Post by oldNslow on 06/27/18 at 16:49:56 684B57506556504D5750240 wrote:
start a new thread for that, f u cking thread hijacker[/quote] Actually Lost, my comment was entirely appropriate for this thread, and was a reference to the never ending fake outrage coming from the left and the media. Sorry you were not quick enough to pick up on that. Quote:
Weren't you one of the folks whining about the lack of civility and the name calling on this board just a while ago? [/quote] I don't think thread hijacking is very civil do you? [/quote] 1. I didn't hijack the thread. My comment was appropriate for the subject. 2. I didn't call you a f u c king anything. [/quote] you literally called for the subject to change WITH A COUNTDOWN.... at least calling you something got your freaking attention, sick of your holier than though smugness, next time I'll call out "EARMUFFS" or I guess "EYEMUFFS" . so you don't get your inner child hurt. [/quote] No. You totally. missed the point of my comment. Got nasty. And when I called you out for your nastiness you doubled down on the nastiness. Quote:
Your responses, not mine, are those of a butthurt child, inner or otherwise. |
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Title: Re: Its only Red Hen folk? Post by LostArtist on 06/27/18 at 18:53:10 just because I have this line in me.... oldNslow, you are closer to diapers than I am.... talking about children.... big old baby ;D see, what we have here is a failure of communication and a cultural difference in the age gap anyway, I apologized, you rejected it, and now it's done, or at least I'm done. how about we stop this on this thread at least, let others actually talk about the topic.. if they want |
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Title: Re: Its only Red Hen folk? Post by MnSpring on 06/27/18 at 19:11:44 6C4F5354615254495354200 wrote:
Good to Know ! |
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Title: Re: Its only Red Hen folk? Post by oldNslow on 06/27/18 at 19:22:47 Quote:
More of your civil discourse about the actual subject of the thread ? |
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Title: Re: Its only Red Hen folk? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/27/18 at 23:41:49 7B5844437645435E4443370 wrote:
then quit playing victim, you cry more than anyone else about "why can't they see..... wahh wha waaaa [/quote] It distresses me watching idiots be idiots. |
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Title: Re: Its only Red Hen folk? Post by oldNslow on 06/28/18 at 07:12:30 oldNslow wrote yesterday in a thread started by Raydawg about the illegal immigrant kid outrage, and got called a f u c king thread hijacker for his trouble: Quote:
Google up CNN news this am and see how many headlines there are about immigrant kids vs. the new hysteria over what Trump's fixin to do to the Supreme Court, the country, and the world as we know it ;D |
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Title: Re: Its only Red Hen folk? Post by LostArtist on 06/28/18 at 08:17:10 546A6B67756968060 wrote:
the kids are old news, just a matter of chronological fact. |
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Title: Re: Its only Red Hen folk? Post by eau de sauvage on 06/28/18 at 19:21:25 The president of the United States trolled a restaurant from Twitter. I'm still trying to get my head around that. |
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Title: Re: Its only Red Hen folk? Post by Serowbot on 06/29/18 at 06:56:39 2F3D292A3D3B395C0 wrote:
;D ;D ;D |
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