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Title: Trade Wars. Nicht so gut. Post by eau de sauvage on 06/25/18 at 04:01:28 This trade war policy of Trump looks like it will cause some genuine pain for the world including the USofA. There are legitimate grievances but all Donald has done is try to pain himself in his 'tough guy' paint, for his 'base' without regard for the genuine consequences. It may take a few years but when the sh!t eventually hits the fan everyone will be covered. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/were-going-to-lose-this-trade-war/2018/06/24/ff8dfb70-763c-11e8-b4b7-308400242c2e_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trumps-trade-war-with-china-is-over-for-now-china-won/2018/05/22/aba97b3e-5ddb-11e8-a4a4-c070ef53f315_story.html |
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Title: Re: Trade Wars. Nicht so gut. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/25/18 at 06:10:11 Trump started it, right? Let's see now, How many times has Trump done what will Surely destroy America? AAAND, no. Everybody needs to step back and Look at the facts. Our situation is the result of years, decades, of bad policy. We've been getting screwed for decades. Don't you know what economic hardships are dealt to our people? Canadian rules put almost a 200%% tariff on our dairy. Maybe you missed Trump saying No Tariffs and No Subsidies Is what he wants. There's Gonna be pain as he negotiates us back to NOT getting Screwed. Every trade deal I know of SUKKTASS, and he's trying to straighten stuff out. Run in circles and panic, but he's The Best Thing that's happened to America in my life. |
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Title: Re: Trade Wars. Nicht so gut. Post by MnSpring on 06/25/18 at 09:34:41 So, “…Trump is poised to escalate the U.S.-Canada trade conflict, with a threatened 25 per cent tariff on U.S. vehicle imports from Canada…” (Which has not happened yet) What about: “…Canada has long maintained a high tariff wall on most dairy products. The duty on milk is 270 per cent. That keeps most imports from the United States and elsewhere out of Canada…” (Which has been happening for SEVERAL YEARS) Would this be a case of 80% of the, ‘press/news’, Slanting/Spinning/Lying (by omission of fact) That, Canada has a 270% Tariff on US Milk ? |
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Title: Re: Trade Wars. Nicht so gut. Post by Eegore on 06/25/18 at 09:42:13 Just look up the Harmonized System codes, they are 6 digit numbers through the WTO. The exact numbers are all right there. http://stat.wto.org/TechnicalNotes/TariffProfileTechnicalNotes_E.htm |
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Title: Re: Trade Wars. Nicht so gut. Post by eau de sauvage on 06/25/18 at 14:24:44 584741465B5C6D5D6D55474B00320 wrote:
You repeat verbatim what you've been fed by the loony right. 1. Er yes he started this trade war, it is supposed to make him look tough you people like you. It seems to be working too. 2. No one but you have said 'destroy America' they're your words, he will harm the whole world, is harming the whole world. But you need to give it time, he's only just started. 3. What situation are you referring to? 4. Ah yes poor USA, I suppose 'getting screwed for decades' is why you are the wealthiest nation on Earth. More to the point the USA has been screwing the Earth for decades, although they are not alone in this. There nothing at all wrong with trade deficits per se it all depends on the structure of the entire economy. The trade deficit is a sign of the USA's wealth. 5. What Donald says and what Donald does are two entirely different things. He lies what you want to hear and does what you want him in your heart to do. Harley Davidson to move more production overseas... https://www.bbc.com/news/business-44604280 The paltry tax cuts that the average Joe Blow got are already gone due to the rising costs of the steel tariffs. For some firms, the measures are welcome. Companies such as US Steel have announced plans to expand their operations, bringing on hundreds of workers. Their customers - many of them manufacturers located in the Midwest - are worried, however. They say US tariffs have already increased demand for domestic steel - which accounts for the majority of the metal's sales in America - driving up prices for firms reliant on steel-based parts. The proposed tariffs, which include taxes on hundreds of Chinese-made parts and equipment, promise more pain. At Roadtec, a growing 600-person Tennessee company that makes asphalt paving machines, suppliers are already asking 40% more, says the firm's marketing director, Eric Baker. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/business-43731798 |
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Title: Re: Trade Wars. Nicht so gut. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/25/18 at 16:17:25 I'm not shocked A Re Alignment Won't happen without a few bumps and bruises. I still have more hope than ever in my adult life |
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Title: Re: Trade Wars. Nicht so gut. Post by LostArtist on 06/25/18 at 16:23:19 China didn't come to us, we went to them Same with India, Mexico etc.... Our companies went there to seek lower cost of labor to get higher profits. Those countries said, hey, we were isolated before you, and now you want to exploit us... here are the rules. Our companies agreed to those rules, and now that we've uncorked this mess, we complain about them trying to exploit us while we are still exploiting them. yeah, it's more complicated than that, but you reap what you sew. |
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Title: Re: Trade Wars. Nicht so gut. Post by raydawg on 06/25/18 at 21:01:24 "sow" |
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Title: Re: Trade Wars. Nicht so gut. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/25/18 at 22:18:59 7754484F7A494F52484F3B0 wrote:
It's not complicated, you just don't understand. It's not worth trying to explain. |
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Title: Re: Trade Wars. Nicht so gut. Post by eau de sauvage on 06/25/18 at 23:08:50 504F494E53546555655D4F43083A0 wrote:
The world economy *is complicated* and subtle. Which is why I guess you don't understand. However the two articles I linked to in the OP do hint at these complexities. Trying to explain anything to you is certainly not worth it, however for you to say 'it's not worth trying to explain', is just weird as you've never tried to explain anything due I suppose to your not only lack of understanding but more to the point your apparent lack of empathy. Why is this? Only you know but it speaks to me of a deep anger at what life has dealt you. Like Donald your explanations are not explanations at all. Donald will say the Korea deal was 'tremendous', or 'very productive' with no explanation, people are 'sad' if they point out he said nothing. He gave Kim everything and all he got was a vague promise to 'work towards', and that's it. He stated that you can all relax now because the US is safe from nuclear attack. Three days later he changes his mind and says N.Korea are still very dangerous. He's a fruitcake and you simply repeat his fruitcake assertions. You can't explain anything because Donald doesn't explain anything and you can only repeat what he says verbatim lest you go off script, you always know you're safe with your fellow religious brethren in the church of the Donald as long as you simply repeat his platitudes. Now Donald directs your hate to the animals, rapists and thieves of Mexico, no mention of course of the rich white guy who gunned down 500 people at a concert. Nah. [media]https://youtu.be/lGYFRzf2Xww[/media] Donald is just a continuation of the History Of The USA cartoon below. https://youtu.be/lGYFRzf2Xww |
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Title: Re: Trade Wars. Nicht so gut. Post by eau de sauvage on 06/26/18 at 03:05:45 Oh look the Donald has already attacked American as apple pie HD... https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44610010 Surprised that Harley-Davidson, of all companies, would be the first to wave the White Flag. I fought hard for them and ultimately they will not pay tariffs selling into the E.U., which has hurt us badly on trade, down $151 Billion. Taxes just a Harley excuse - be patient! #MAGA — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 25, 2018 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1011360410648416258 ultimately they will not pay tariffs selling into the E.U What a tool, yeah he slags off the USA's allies and kowtows to a dictator and the EU will simply do whatever the Donald wants' because you know, he's a tough guy and a stable genius to boot! Or maybe he simply doesn't understand world trade. Donald thinks like they did in the 16th century where world trade was a zero sum game. The pie is only so big and if I get a bigger piece of the pie you must necessarily get a smaller piece This is the origin of the Christian doctrine that rich people don't get to heaven because you can only get rich if someone else gets poorer. No one would lend money because that was insane, what for. Then it eventually dawned on people that 'the pie' could get bigger and bigger, you could borrow money and invest. This is what happened, China didn't get rich at the USA's expense, everyone got richer as the pie gets bigger and bigger. And the USA is doing pretty well. China needs to be punished for stealing technology but a trade war is not the way to do that. ZTE were about to go out of business because of illegally selling technology to N.Korea and Iran, breaking the sanctions. But the Donald is reversing that because you know like he values Chinese jobs. He's a fukwit like no other. |
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Title: Re: Trade Wars. Nicht so gut. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/26/18 at 03:07:11 Now Donald directs your hate to the animals, rapists and thieves of Mexico, no mention of course of the rich white guy who gunned down 500 people at a concert. First, I TRIED to point out inconsistencies in the story. I got Let them investigate. Phhht, lodeOshitt answers. Who did what is still a question But Who got SHOT isn't. Trump supporters were the people who got Shot. |
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Title: Re: Trade Wars. Nicht so gut. Post by eau de sauvage on 06/26/18 at 03:14:54 5F4046415C5B6A5A6A52404C07350 wrote:
If that works for you then good on you JoG. |
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Title: Re: Trade Wars. Nicht so gut. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/26/18 at 03:24:53 Who did what is still a question But Who got SHOT isn't. Trump supporters were the people who got Shot. What do you know about the shooting? That's a screwed up investigation |
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Title: Re: Trade Wars. Nicht so gut. Post by eau de sauvage on 06/26/18 at 03:51:10 6B747275686F5E6E5E66747833010 wrote:
Your post makes no sense I'm not sure if it's implying a tinfoil conspiracy or you are just writing without thinking. Let's take it one point at a time. 1. What do I know about the shooting. 1A Well there the shooter was a wealthy white guy, and shot 500 people. The point I was making was contrasting the Donald categorising every Mexican who tries to cross the border, no matter what, as a rapist, murderer or 'animal'. But generally murderers. Try and imagine if the shooter was a Mexican. Point is that immigrants, 'illegal' or not do not have a higher crime rate than the average American. But this how propaganda works. 2. Trump supporters got shot? 2A, well I don't remember anyone checking who the victims voted for, are you suggesting they were all trump supporters. And what is the point you are trying to make? |
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Title: Re: Trade Wars. Nicht so gut. Post by WebsterMark on 06/26/18 at 04:27:18 The point I was making was contrasting the Donald categorising every Mexican who tries to cross the border, no matter what, as a rapist, murderer or 'animal' I've hesitated to involved myself in one of e d s threads, but the sentence above caught my eye. I will bet you whatever amount of money you want if you show me consistent statements from Trump where he says 'every Mexican who tries to cross the border, no matter what, as a rapist, murderer or 'animal'. He's never said that and no one of consequence has said that. Who would? No one would believe that statement. This is part of the Soft Civil War. Lying about absolute statements. To quote Star Wars; "Only a Sith deals in absolutes." Now, there are absolutes to be sure. For example, it is an absolute certainty that Trump nor any member of Congress on either side every said or believes the statement above. e d s is a drive by shooter. Firing into a house to cause chaos. |
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Title: Re: Trade Wars. Nicht so gut. Post by Eegore on 06/26/18 at 06:23:19 I'm most interested in how, without looking at trade data, agreements, disputes and futures anyone can say that world trade economies are simple and that there's a "fix" for it. Like this milk thing for instance, its not even about "milk" but we know for some reason that the % tariff that Canada enacted is unfair. |
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Title: Re: Trade Wars. Nicht so gut. Post by eau de sauvage on 06/27/18 at 01:28:22 4D7F78696E7F68577B68711A0 wrote:
Troll troll troll your boat gently down the stream... |
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Title: Re: Trade Wars. Nicht so gut. Post by WebsterMark on 06/27/18 at 02:45:42 Wild, outlandish, ridiculous claims that you can't back-up and I'm the troll?... Here's your chance to earn a little much needed cash. Put up or shut up. I will bet you whatever amount of money you want if you show me consistent statements from Trump where he says 'every Mexican who tries to cross the border, no matter what, as a rapist, murderer or 'animal'. He's never said that and no one of consequence has said that. |
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Title: Re: Trade Wars. Nicht so gut. Post by eau de sauvage on 06/27/18 at 03:40:26 @WM...I will bet you whatever amount of money you want... You sound like you're still in primary school. Yeah, troll. I'm looking at you. 'Soft civil war' is that your new 75c slogan. Mate you don't have the intellectual chops to interest me in engaging you. Sorry about that. |
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Title: Re: Trade Wars. Nicht so gut. Post by WebsterMark on 06/27/18 at 06:06:17 Yea, that’s what I thought. Make crazy claims, change topic when called out on it. Predictable. |
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Title: Re: Trade Wars. Nicht so gut. Post by MnSpring on 06/27/18 at 08:37:15 As long as this threads thought, was changed by someone else, I won't suffer the wrath of lost. ;D If any POTUS, would have said of the M-13 “…rapist, murderer, ‘animal’…” They would have been Highly Praised. Yet the, ’Trump Haters at ALL Costs” (which are now 79% of the Media, some actually WOKE UP) Spun, Twisted, Lied. And the ultra-Lefties, just repeated the Lies they were told to say. |
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