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Message started by justin_o_guy2 on 06/19/18 at 08:37:03

Title: For clarity
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/19/18 at 08:37:03

If you don't agree with separating children from adults who get busted
Illegally entering America, how would you do it?

Title: Re: For clarity
Post by LostArtist on 06/19/18 at 08:50:39

736C6A6D70774676467E6C602B190 wrote:

If you don't agree with separating children from adults who get busted
Illegally entering America, how would you do it?

what was wrong with how it was being done before Trump's Zero Tolerance policy?

not enough cottage cheese?

Title: Re: For clarity
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/19/18 at 13:14:28

They were largely deported
And
Separately

https://lawandcrime.com/immigration/obamas-immigration-agencies-separated-children-from-their-families-too-2/

https://lawandcrime.com/immigration/obamas-immigration-agencies-separated-children-from-their-families-too-2/

Title: Re: For clarity
Post by verslagen1 on 06/19/18 at 13:55:14

Quote:

Multiple stories about those family detention centers written during the Obama era–just not by the mainstream media. In particular, dozens of stories about the Nogales Placement Center in Nogales, Arizona particular were written by journalists at Shadowproof, a reader-supported media outlet, alone. Journalists for Shadowproof also frequently reported on the T. Don Hutto Residential Center in Taylor, Texas. Most media declined to investigate these facilities until fairly recently.

Title: Re: For clarity
Post by LostArtist on 06/19/18 at 14:38:52

5A495E5F404D4B49421D2C0 wrote:

Quote:

yeah, that was during that huge influx of UNACCOMPANIED minors across our borders, they weren't separated at our borders, they came separated already.

"The Nogales Placement Center opened last month in response to the influx of unaccompanied children, mostly from Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras, at the U.S.-Mexico border in Texas, where more than 57,000 of them have been detained since October."

https://www.nogalesinternational.com/news/only-children-remain-at-nogales-placement-center/article_cc447bae-1105-11e4-b009-001a4bcf887a.html

and as for Hutto....

"On August 27, the ACLU announced a landmark settlement with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) that greatly improves conditions for immigrant children and their families in the T. Don Hutto detention center in Taylor, Texas.

The settlement was the result of lawsuits brought earlier this year on behalf of 26 immigrant children detained with their parents at Hutto."

https://www.aclu.org/aclu-challenges-prison-conditions-hutto-detention-center

that seems to be back in 2007.... there have been lots of stories about Hutto over the years, even MSNBC covered it:

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/failed-experiment-immigrant-family-detention

and from your "Obama’s Immigration Agencies Separated Children From Their Families, Too" . ariicle

"To be clear: the Obama administration’s use of ATEP was not intended to break-up families–that was an occasionally expected side effect–while Trump’s recently-confirmed policy is expressly directed toward that end in the name of “deterrence.”"

https://lawandcrime.com/immigration/obamas-immigration-agencies-separated-children-from-their-families-too-2/

so, yeah it wasn't perfect, lots of issues dealing with unexpected waves of immigrant children and lots of highly imperfect and vile shelters used, not excusing that. But how is what Trump is doing justified by that? do two wrongs suddenly make a right somehow?

Title: Re: For clarity
Post by verslagen1 on 06/19/18 at 15:32:31

This is the oldest media report I could find...
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/map-the-u-s-immigration-detention-boom/

Not many prior to 2017.

Title: Re: For clarity
Post by MnSpring on 06/20/18 at 07:07:16

74574B4C794A4C514B4C380 wrote:

what was wrong with how it was being done before Trump's Zero Tolerance policy? not enough cottage cheese?

So, you say, “…what was wrong with how it was being done before Trump’s Zero Tolerance policy…”.

So Treating all of them, equal, is not a good thing ?

Wonder what the criteria was for,
‘letting some go, and others not’ ?????